Hang on, I'm getting an audio IM... well would you look at that, it's the fleet, and they've got a message for humanity... why do I hear a choir singing "Oh mah korei!"? Let me transcribe the message for Slashdot's readers...
"EX-TER-MINATE. EX-TER-MINATE. EX-TER-MINATE."
*CARRIER FAILURE*
Member of in-ferior species hu-man known as Eli Gottlieb has been EX-TERRRMINATED.
So you're saying you're so work-obsessed that you will work overtime off the clock and without pay?!
The real problem comes in with an hourly job where hours worked are not the hours reported.
I've never heard of someone under-reporting their hours because they wanted to, only because their employer doesn't want to pay for those hours.
Seriously. I'm not saying anyone should report working less hours than they really did. I was saying that someone in the world is probably more productive, per-hour, than you. Why should employers hire inefficient employees and demand exorbitant hours, lowering both efficiency and quality-of-life, when we can pass a law that will make the more productive worker win the competition for a job instead of the more slavish worker?
Point. It isn't. Not from below and not from above. See below.
What I do know though is that people with his attitude cost me in one of two ways: either I get to pick up their slack because their work-rate sucks, or I get to pay their unemployment benefits because they feel they can't compete, and are owed by everyone else.
Oh yes, I'm sure that there's no such thing as a person who manages to be as productive as you are in 40+X hours a week by working only 40 hours a week, but has a sucky boss who measures productivity in hours worked.
Yes, economic theory says that person should get a better job. Economic theory assumes that human beings are intelligent and rational, however, which most are definitely not.
The whole point of enforcing a maximum workweek is to make sure that "competing" never comes to mean "working longer hours than everyone else" over a certain limit that society has decided makes sense. If you work 40 hours a week and someone else wants to work 30 a week, OK, you're "more competitive". But in a civilized society, if you offer to work 60 hours a week and someone else wants 40, neither of you has an advantage over the other (by law), and you actually have to compete on productivity-per-hour instead of on not-having-a-social-life-or-family.
Umm... actually... Americans don't start university at 21. We start at 18. So a fair portion of applicants (we call them "nerds") really haven't held a beer can at a party. I know I sure as hell hadn't before I got to college. Canned beer? Seriously? Before college? Fuck that, gimme a Scotch or a glass of Sam Adams.
Oh, I know. I've done that, too -- compensating for hard classes with easy ones. But at my uni I lose my scholarship if my GPA goes below a 3.2 for two semesters. This blows for science/engineering/pre-medical majors.
Well, yes, you're right actually. Calculus is mostly pointless for a CS degree. CS majors should be taking discrete mathematics in freshman year with their first programming courses so they understand what a computer scientist really does before they get the impression it's all about programming.
Dude. I'm an upper-level comp sci major, and I can tell you that 87% of everything in computer science does not use calculus. The real weed-out math that determines if you can hack Computer Science is discrete mathematics: predicate calculus, set theory, functions and relations, graph theory, formal languages, and theory of computation.
Which are all, coincidentally, taught at my uni in a single course at the 200 level. Some moron decided to let all the code monkeys get to second year before getting the cold bitchslap of mathematical reality.
"Don't blink. Don't even blink. Blink and you're dead. They are fast, faster than you could believe, don't turn your back, don't look away, and don't blink. Good luck."
I never realized it, but that quote was actually about politicians.
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Conspiracies are just a conspiracy to get people to believe in conspiracies.
And 9/11 was pulled off by a bunch of pissed-off Muslims. What're you, retarded?
Yes. Please keep telling the hu-mans that our fleet is a horrifying "god" of some sort. We will make sure to exterminate you first.
EXTERMINATE! EXTERMINATE!
Naw, you're just the idiots who haven't discovered interstellar travel yet.
That's a space fleet!
Hang on, I'm getting an audio IM... well would you look at that, it's the fleet, and they've got a message for humanity... why do I hear a choir singing "Oh mah korei!"? Let me transcribe the message for Slashdot's readers...
"EX-TER-MINATE. EX-TER-MINATE. EX-TER-MINATE."
*CARRIER FAILURE*
Member of in-ferior species hu-man known as Eli Gottlieb has been EX-TERRRMINATED.
So you're saying you're so work-obsessed that you will work overtime off the clock and without pay?!
The real problem comes in with an hourly job where hours worked are not the hours reported.
I've never heard of someone under-reporting their hours because they wanted to, only because their employer doesn't want to pay for those hours.
Seriously. I'm not saying anyone should report working less hours than they really did. I was saying that someone in the world is probably more productive, per-hour, than you. Why should employers hire inefficient employees and demand exorbitant hours, lowering both efficiency and quality-of-life, when we can pass a law that will make the more productive worker win the competition for a job instead of the more slavish worker?
The 40-hour workweek isn't enforced.
Point. It isn't. Not from below and not from above. See below.
What I do know though is that people with his attitude cost me in one of two ways: either I get to pick up their slack because their work-rate sucks, or I get to pay their unemployment benefits because they feel they can't compete, and are owed by everyone else.
Oh yes, I'm sure that there's no such thing as a person who manages to be as productive as you are in 40+X hours a week by working only 40 hours a week, but has a sucky boss who measures productivity in hours worked.
Yes, economic theory says that person should get a better job. Economic theory assumes that human beings are intelligent and rational, however, which most are definitely not.
The whole point of enforcing a maximum workweek is to make sure that "competing" never comes to mean "working longer hours than everyone else" over a certain limit that society has decided makes sense. If you work 40 hours a week and someone else wants to work 30 a week, OK, you're "more competitive". But in a civilized society, if you offer to work 60 hours a week and someone else wants 40, neither of you has an advantage over the other (by law), and you actually have to compete on productivity-per-hour instead of on not-having-a-social-life-or-family.
WARNING: Possible infinite mutual recursion. ...
ERROR: STACK OVERFLOW. Attempting to exit gracefully.
slashdot:~ cowboyneil$
Really. Please explain how a mainstream CPU (give an example) really processes lambda-calculus with an I/O monad.
Where do you live, France?
Personally I favor laws that keep Time Lords out of the human labor market.
I'll tell Randall Munroe to bring his shotgun.
Well not to worry. Without the spice they really can't do much.
Now can anyone explain why I keep having these dreams about President Barack Obama sending a mission to Mars?
Yeah, except that Upstate NY is an ultra-rural shithole with little in it but farms and college towns.
He ain't on your teat. How does an enforced 40-hour workweek extract even a single cent from you?
Now how do you know all this again?
I know. It's time for all of us with the sense and capability to GTFO. The battle was fought and lost.
Umm... actually... Americans don't start university at 21. We start at 18. So a fair portion of applicants (we call them "nerds") really haven't held a beer can at a party. I know I sure as hell hadn't before I got to college. Canned beer? Seriously? Before college? Fuck that, gimme a Scotch or a glass of Sam Adams.
Oh, I know. I've done that, too -- compensating for hard classes with easy ones. But at my uni I lose my scholarship if my GPA goes below a 3.2 for two semesters. This blows for science/engineering/pre-medical majors.
It's very nice to talk about overcoming adversity, but some people have to keep their GPAs up.
'Allo. I'm an odd freakish exception. I can haz tenured research position? I gotz beards, too.
Well, yes, you're right actually. Calculus is mostly pointless for a CS degree. CS majors should be taking discrete mathematics in freshman year with their first programming courses so they understand what a computer scientist really does before they get the impression it's all about programming.
Dude. I'm an upper-level comp sci major, and I can tell you that 87% of everything in computer science does not use calculus. The real weed-out math that determines if you can hack Computer Science is discrete mathematics: predicate calculus, set theory, functions and relations, graph theory, formal languages, and theory of computation.
Which are all, coincidentally, taught at my uni in a single course at the 200 level. Some moron decided to let all the code monkeys get to second year before getting the cold bitchslap of mathematical reality.
Moderation in all things -- including moderation.
"Don't blink. Don't even blink. Blink and you're dead. They are fast, faster than you could believe, don't turn your back, don't look away, and don't blink. Good luck."
I never realized it, but that quote was actually about politicians.
Ever gone and read the policy papers from his website?