We were doing this back in the days of FIDONET, when it was still pretty well in its infancy. Any area coordinator would set things up to answer add / drop requests based on subject and content. Probably, some here might remember this.
Later, WWIV style networks (WWIVNet for instance) did a similar thing. This brings us to 1991, but it was in use since the late 80's. This is prior art and technique, no questions asked.
Proving it might take some digging and might require the release of FidoNET flamers from incarceration in chriostasis, but that's a risk we must take!
Patent, schmatent. This one is busted, bogus and lots of other bad words that begin with the letter b.
That isn't quite sufficient, actually. If I were to say `It is my opinion that you are a convicted child molestor', I could still be successfully sued for libel or slander even though I said this was my opinion.
The solution is very simple, do not antagonize people. Using words like 'crackpot' only serves to antagonize people. If the information is so easily dismissed as 'crackpottery', dismiss it on a lack of scientific merit, not with collequal jargon that is open for interpretation in a court of law:)
Crafting things to be 'sensational' in this day and age is a very foolish thing to do. Fair or not, people easily find attorneys to match their tempers and wallets. Prevention remains much better than a cure, imho.
The former. I was able to load the article, but can't get it back now. He said something like it's "good enough" for many people, but no one's really excited about SVN. To me, that's crap. SVN does what it does very well. What more could you really want from a centrally-managed versioning system?
Not much at all really, I've had grumbles about SVN but fail to recall them, so I'm quite sure said grumbles were trivial at best. I think it had something to do with svn exiting with 0 when something went wrong, and my script didn't know there was an oops and kept going.
For distributed stuff I like to use Mercurial because its very, very easy to use and more advanced things aren't so intimidating. Maybe take it for a spin if you want, you can get it here. I also use Mercurial to help manage/etc (really, really handy for that).
I'm not so sure that there has to be an end-all-be-all of SCM's, why not just use whatever best fits the project and people working on it?
As I think about it, controlling things across the room with a thought is potentially disastrous for most normally functioning people, given the rise in obesity and general sedentary nature of of many. Can anyone imagine the day when someone is too lazy to use a remote to turn on the TV?
I'm curious about what goes into 'lazy'. I travel pretty extensively, I find myself at all kinds of odd elevations at any random time, my body has long forgotten a world with 4 seasons, I hardly sleep on any regular basis and to compensate (and complicate) I have no choice but fill my body with junk if I hope to eat (sometimes sensible food just can't be found).
I am living happily, but abusing the heck out of this machine I was born in. I am far exceeding "Recommended Wear And Tear", I'm getting in my mid 30's now and starting to feel it. Its not bad, but I have a pretty good idea what 'ouch' at 50 is going to sound like.
I think the word you were looking for is 'apathetic'. I am far too lazy to keep typing anymore, but that's because I had one hell of a day and I'm quite tired. The distinction is a stigma, and dangerous.
To bad Open Source couldn't get a more charasamic and uniting spoke person not RMS
Magnets repel depending on their perspective relative to each other. RMS simply encourages this split at the door to avoid disruption later.
Kindly, I'm not arguing with you, I kind of agree with you but see the necessity. Linus insults more people in a day than R. Lee Ermey did during his career, but a certain kind of personality flocks there.
I think you can safely say then, people split up first then evidence the 'leader', its just only then that you notice what happened.
That's absurd enough when applied to simple copyright infringement, but there's absolutely nothing illegal about after market ink. In fact, these sort of shenanigans should be illegal themselves. Let the printer manufacturers compete fairly.
Send RMS one of those printers with "locked" ink for his birthday. I hear he's good with printers.
Again, virtualization is for running Windows. Not Linux!
And vms, and minix, and amoeba, and a whole bunch of other stuff that doesn't jive up well with a Linux kernel due to its design, or their's depending on how you see things.
I don't *know* why people shoot themselves in the foot fully virtualizing Linux with a Xen HV. Paravirt ops are a proven major happy place which is why they're in the upstream kernel.
I like being able to make a bios out of thin air, I think its really neat, but why the &(@* would I want to do that with 2.6 under Xen? Special cases being stuff like Mosix 2.6, file systems that don't exist in the sparse tree xen just recently moved away from, other plenty of good reasons.. but this HVM craze has me just chuckling quietly.
And, the parent post actually calmed my thoughts about the laptop in that the goof had permission to take it out of the country. I think we might have a bit of sensational reporting going on here meant to stir you and I up about something that could happen but didn't.
I'm not much fun at parties. A benefit to seeing things in a very literal sense is blissful oblivity when someone's trying to trip a bug I just don't really suffer from, empathy. I have a sense of empathy, but its not so.. dilluted by the time that I act on it as it might be in someone else.
If you look at the 'stir stick', its clearly labeled "induce fear that national security is weak". Journalism is very much a service, if it weren't you wouldn't pay for a news paper anymore. Part of the service is making you want to swallow all of it, even if just to shoot holes in it while you read your paper, or slashdot, or whatever. They're giving you what you want, facts dipped in adsense with some irony because they feel bad.
Has anyone here, ever once tried just writing to Los Alamos and requesting the information available to the public regarding their security policies, then sent in patches?
I'm honestly curious to know, it wasn't a rhetorical question. If we own the place (as tax payers we do), umm, we ought to propose something better before stringing up the entrails. Well go ahead and string them up , write the guy an IOU for some patches. Make the e-mail user suffer hotmail for a whole month. Done.
If we start having to get laptop scans to get on airplanes as a result of this, I vow to produce a turd and beat someone severely with it.
Sounds to me that his actions were completely intentional, that he was not at all concerned about the health of others, that he wanted to fulfill his desires regardless of how it might affect others.
Of course they were intentional. You don't accidentally pack a laptop. Well, I guess you could, but it would be difficult. He did not intend for it to be stolen and if you can't have a reasonable expectation that your stuff will NOT be stolen then we have a much larger problem to address.
So many brilliant absent minded people wandering around with so much top secret junk. That in and of itself appears to be the cause, this is a symptom of it.
I vote to hang him by his balls because anyone conscious and aware of being so could not have a _reasonable_expectation_ that they would not get creamated should something happen to that laptop given recent events.
Mail client tied to the wrong subnet? Why can you get out on port 25, or 26, or almost any port on a public block?
The reason these poor bastards get hung out to dry is because it solicits exactly the reaction that you offered. Don't fall for scarecrows, stay mindful of the actual cause. Nobody who knows what they are doing gets paid to make decisions there. Given this _whole_ argument, that's probably a good thing.
This might just be the best its going to get given the nature of the place. I hope not, but it might be.
They are blocking on chinese only. By not blocking english, then they will encourage a number of chinese to learn it or some other language.
I don't think I can fully support that claim, but I can substantiate it a bit. My blog is mostly related to free software, copyright issues and other problems that I like to discuss. I get a *significant* amount of traffic from China, and find my pages uncensored in the SE caches there.
Likewise, my hg repos get tickled often from China. Because of the stupid NATS and proxies, I have a hard time telling humans from spiders that don't check for robots.txt, so the data can only be flawed.
The patterns are significant outside of the data, so worth mentioning. Not a resouding endorsement of what you said, but does support it a bit:)
You are concerned because you don't understand enough of what's happening, which is a natural (and practical) response to the unknown. Placing it deep underground is not for *your* safety but for the *experiment's*: the "noise" of the world (the sun/stars/etc.) must be reduced as much as possible in order to detect anything in the sensitive detectors.
Thank you for your reply. That makes the sense that I hoped it would. This is such an amazing project because everyone, regardless of their knowledge can take something from it once the results are explained. I'm quite happy to let go of any.. trepidation surrounding it.
For someone who does not have a PHD, Please answer the following simple question with "Yes", "No" or "Maybe" :
I'm concerned that placing this project deep in the ground instills a false sense of safety in people who might not fully understand what they are doing. Am I correct to be concerned? Notice I didn't ask if I was _right_ to be concerned.
I don't like it and I can't quite articulate why not. If I'm correct, then I need to be able to articulate it:)
and, incidentally, imho software companies should be liable for trouble created by their software as the hosting companies are.
There are many web hosting companies and some of them negate their responsibility to Internet users at large.
The web hosting industry does not get much attention from free software developers. This is broadly because they want to insist that anything they spend money on develping not be usable by their competition. As such, no company (under the terms of the GPL) may make any developer sign any kind of non disclosure agreement for the purposes of receiving GPL code.
The web hosting industry is stuck in a rut of its own design. It uses software that it can't modify to meet its real security needs because nothing exists free that has all of the working features that their customers demand.
This is the problem, this will continue to be the problem for quite some time. Even if a free control panel and billing system were realsed that they find suitable it would only be after perhaps a couple years of development and testing.
Sad, but true. The industry is making us all a victim of its success. It sells the use of GNU/Linux computers pocketing all profits and only giving back to companies that produce software that is not free.. totally against the tit-for-tat that made it such a lucrative market to begin with.
You're right, but you left out some stuff.:) I'm part of that industry, but only one of very few people who speak out against the practice and remain able to eat and pay bills.
I don't know about this film, but The Big One was funded by the BBC. They probably don't care if his movies make a profit or not.
That is interesting. He might get upset, I don't know, I don't know him very well. I can say for certain he's capable of proactive thinking, so I don't think we're likely to hear from him about this until he has a better grasp of what 'this' will turn out to be.:)
I hate answering questions with questions, but what exactly gave you the idea that I got that idea? Am I unknowingly segfaulting again? Its known to happen, but I did say "If" he got mad.
Whether you like him or not, believe what he says or not, you have to agree that Michael Moore > is influential.
If you are for P2P, I'm not sure if this is the guy you would want on the other side of the debate.
I can be certain that he needs his films to make enough money to fund making more films. I'm sure he also wants to eat, I'm sure enough pepople will purchase this movie as a symbolic gesture that he doesn't get too upset.
If he got upset prior to actually knowing if this really hurt his wallet, well, I think he'd be defying the very sense of logic that makes him so appealing to many people.
I would never see his movies otherwise, I refuse to buy them in the store because I don't like the license and restrictions that come with them. So I have to watch a copy that someone else obtained. I'm not picky on how they obtained it:) I feel me buying one is more hurt than help, supporting him isn't as important to me as not buying crap I can't share.
I've never heard of any of those video sites. Is this an actual problem affecting well-known sites, or just these no-names?
Many web sites will gladly sell you a place to put one of your banners. They will charge you a fee that is justified by the amount of visitors who will see your banner, further justified by estimating how many of those visitors would be likely to click on your banner and why.
For sites that depend on selling advertisement space to monetize, traffic scores calculated by third party sites like Amazon make or break your ability to get prime bucks for prime space on your web sites.
Comapnies who need to show an instant boom in traffic sometimes employ the use of spyware that can be signaled from a remote connection to begin "surfing" a given site from the visitor's IP address proporting to be the user's default browser type. Instantly, millions of people start surfing the target site completely unaware they're even doing it. Its a booming business, building and renting these networks.
You may not have heard of any of these sites, but I'm sure you'd pay top dollar to advertise there once you saw their traffic scores. Its a new cottage industry that thrives on Windows / IE users.
I wanted so badly to let Greg Bulmash have it on the first thread, but figured my mod points could do more good.:) I blogged a reaction to it also which seems to be getting a few views.
Its amazing what some people will concoct just to syndicate Google ads. Bulmash, your way off base and you knew it. Hope your happy with the reaction you're getting. Did you get plenty of ad clicks?
That should be obvious: it will have great implications for the Internet, which - as we all know - is a series of tubes. The tunnel carries light, so it can work like a fibre connection, and we can identify the endpoints.:-)
Oh, great. So every time you surf porn someone gets impailed by your 10G tube growing making the end point connection?
Sometimes I edit people's comments for very innocent reasons, some include : html markup somehow made it in, correcting a spelling error, fixing a broken link. It never dawned on me to have a terms of service that says I can and will edit comments as needed.
I'm really not worried about it, but if patent trolls exist, there's a good chance that you-edited-my-comment-so-ill-sue-you'ers also exist.
Plan B can either be riding out the storm or jumping ship. Both require prior work. Option A is, in my opinion, much more practical.
Yeah, but if we can do both, why not? Its going to take enormous amounts of social reforms to get everyone cooperating globally in order for plan A to work. That's going to take quite a bit of time. We may need to first eliminate money before companies stop futher evidencing the need for plan B.
We may as well be looking. In fact I think its rather foolish not to be looking, given the circumstances while keeping in mind probability and the chaos 'shit happens' factor.
I still say it's easier to deal with whatever happens on Earth than it would be to bootstrap another planet.
If enough people are willing to do that prior to either 'shit happening' or total resource consumption, then great. I hope you realize this is a very dubious notion, at best.
I never understood the argument for populating another planet as a means for survival. Surely it'll be easier to undo whatever we do to this planet -- a planet with resources we've harnessed, that has equipment, that we know has supported life -- than it would be to make another planet survivable.
If you understand that we are by nature parasites, and that 'shit happens', you'll see the need evidence itself.
Humans have only two (real) predators. Ourselves and viruses. There currently isn't much else keeping us in check on a regular basis.
Think about virusus for a minute because they are amazing survivors. A smart virus never fully disables or consumes its host. It knows if the host goes away, it goes away unless it can find another host.
Since, to this planet we are very much a virus, we need to be comfortable just admitting it, realizing that there is a high probability that we will do something terminally bad to this planet and find space to spread out. If we don't outright destroy it, we will overconsume it or die trying. Reference my previous statement, we have no natural predators other than ourselves and viruses. Now, we create viruses - even worse, genome specific viruses.
We have nukes, H-Bombs, American Idol, (I could go on).
The common cold is probably one of the best survivors I know of. It spreads from host to host easily and never really disables them. It can stay as long as it wants because it mutates so well. We need to aspire to be a cosmic cold in order to perpetuate, there is no question about it.
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We were doing this back in the days of FIDONET, when it was still pretty well in its infancy. Any area coordinator would set things up to answer add / drop requests based on subject and content. Probably, some here might remember this.
Later, WWIV style networks (WWIVNet for instance) did a similar thing. This brings us to 1991, but it was in use since the late 80's. This is prior art and technique, no questions asked.
Proving it might take some digging and might require the release of FidoNET flamers from incarceration in chriostasis, but that's a risk we must take!
Patent, schmatent. This one is busted, bogus and lots of other bad words that begin with the letter b.
Google, kindly, kick their ass.
The solution is very simple, do not antagonize people. Using words like 'crackpot' only serves to antagonize people. If the information is so easily dismissed as 'crackpottery', dismiss it on a lack of scientific merit, not with collequal jargon that is open for interpretation in a court of law
Crafting things to be 'sensational' in this day and age is a very foolish thing to do. Fair or not, people easily find attorneys to match their tempers and wallets. Prevention remains much better than a cure, imho.
Not much at all really, I've had grumbles about SVN but fail to recall them, so I'm quite sure said grumbles were trivial at best. I think it had something to do with svn exiting with 0 when something went wrong, and my script didn't know there was an oops and kept going.
For distributed stuff I like to use Mercurial because its very, very easy to use and more advanced things aren't so intimidating. Maybe take it for a spin if you want, you can get it here. I also use Mercurial to help manage
I'm not so sure that there has to be an end-all-be-all of SCM's, why not just use whatever best fits the project and people working on it?
I'm curious about what goes into 'lazy'. I travel pretty extensively, I find myself at all kinds of odd elevations at any random time, my body has long forgotten a world with 4 seasons, I hardly sleep on any regular basis and to compensate (and complicate) I have no choice but fill my body with junk if I hope to eat (sometimes sensible food just can't be found).
I am living happily, but abusing the heck out of this machine I was born in. I am far exceeding "Recommended Wear And Tear", I'm getting in my mid 30's now and starting to feel it. Its not bad, but I have a pretty good idea what 'ouch' at 50 is going to sound like.
I think the word you were looking for is 'apathetic'. I am far too lazy to keep typing anymore, but that's because I had one hell of a day and I'm quite tired. The distinction is a stigma, and dangerous.
In related news :
An alarmingly high number of people have been caught printing their paperless free books and have been sued by Greenpeace.
Magnets repel depending on their perspective relative to each other. RMS simply encourages this split at the door to avoid disruption later.
Kindly, I'm not arguing with you, I kind of agree with you but see the necessity. Linus insults more people in a day than R. Lee Ermey did during his career, but a certain kind of personality flocks there.
I think you can safely say then, people split up first then evidence the 'leader', its just only then that you notice what happened.
Send RMS one of those printers with "locked" ink for his birthday. I hear he's good with printers.
And vms, and minix, and amoeba, and a whole bunch of other stuff that doesn't jive up well with a Linux kernel due to its design, or their's depending on how you see things.
I don't *know* why people shoot themselves in the foot fully virtualizing Linux with a Xen HV. Paravirt ops are a proven major happy place which is why they're in the upstream kernel.
I like being able to make a bios out of thin air, I think its really neat, but why the &(@* would I want to do that with 2.6 under Xen? Special cases being stuff like Mosix 2.6, file systems that don't exist in the sparse tree xen just recently moved away from, other plenty of good reasons.. but this HVM craze has me just chuckling quietly.
I'm not much fun at parties. A benefit to seeing things in a very literal sense is blissful oblivity when someone's trying to trip a bug I just don't really suffer from, empathy. I have a sense of empathy, but its not so
If you look at the 'stir stick', its clearly labeled "induce fear that national security is weak". Journalism is very much a service, if it weren't you wouldn't pay for a news paper anymore. Part of the service is making you want to swallow all of it, even if just to shoot holes in it while you read your paper, or slashdot, or whatever. They're giving you what you want, facts dipped in adsense with some irony because they feel bad.
Has anyone here, ever once tried just writing to Los Alamos and requesting the information available to the public regarding their security policies, then sent in patches?
I'm honestly curious to know, it wasn't a rhetorical question. If we own the place (as tax payers we do), umm, we ought to propose something better before stringing up the entrails. Well go ahead and string them up , write the guy an IOU for some patches. Make the e-mail user suffer hotmail for a whole month. Done.
If we start having to get laptop scans to get on airplanes as a result of this, I vow to produce a turd and beat someone severely with it.
Of course they were intentional. You don't accidentally pack a laptop. Well, I guess you could, but it would be difficult. He did not intend for it to be stolen and if you can't have a reasonable expectation that your stuff will NOT be stolen then we have a much larger problem to address.
So many brilliant absent minded people wandering around with so much top secret junk. That in and of itself appears to be the cause, this is a symptom of it.
I vote to hang him by his balls because anyone conscious and aware of being so could not have a _reasonable_expectation_ that they would not get creamated should something happen to that laptop given recent events.
Mail client tied to the wrong subnet? Why can you get out on port 25, or 26, or almost any port on a public block?
The reason these poor bastards get hung out to dry is because it solicits exactly the reaction that you offered. Don't fall for scarecrows, stay mindful of the actual cause. Nobody who knows what they are doing gets paid to make decisions there. Given this _whole_ argument, that's probably a good thing.
This might just be the best its going to get given the nature of the place. I hope not, but it might be.
I don't think I can fully support that claim, but I can substantiate it a bit. My blog is mostly related to free software, copyright issues and other problems that I like to discuss. I get a *significant* amount of traffic from China, and find my pages uncensored in the SE caches there.
Likewise, my hg repos get tickled often from China. Because of the stupid NATS and proxies, I have a hard time telling humans from spiders that don't check for robots.txt, so the data can only be flawed.
The patterns are significant outside of the data, so worth mentioning. Not a resouding endorsement of what you said, but does support it a bit
That entirely depends on what babies you've eaten.
Thank you for your reply. That makes the sense that I hoped it would. This is such an amazing project because everyone, regardless of their knowledge can take something from it once the results are explained. I'm quite happy to let go of any
Thanks again for delivering the obvious, gently
For someone who does not have a PHD, Please answer the following simple question with "Yes", "No" or "Maybe" :
:)
I'm concerned that placing this project deep in the ground instills a false sense of safety in people who might not fully understand what they are doing. Am I correct to be concerned? Notice I didn't ask if I was _right_ to be concerned.
I don't like it and I can't quite articulate why not. If I'm correct, then I need to be able to articulate it
There are many web hosting companies and some of them negate their responsibility to Internet users at large.
The web hosting industry does not get much attention from free software developers. This is broadly because they want to insist that anything they spend money on develping not be usable by their competition. As such, no company (under the terms of the GPL) may make any developer sign any kind of non disclosure agreement for the purposes of receiving GPL code.
The web hosting industry is stuck in a rut of its own design. It uses software that it can't modify to meet its real security needs because nothing exists free that has all of the working features that their customers demand.
This is the problem, this will continue to be the problem for quite some time. Even if a free control panel and billing system were realsed that they find suitable it would only be after perhaps a couple years of development and testing.
Sad, but true. The industry is making us all a victim of its success. It sells the use of GNU/Linux computers pocketing all profits and only giving back to companies that produce software that is not free.. totally against the tit-for-tat that made it such a lucrative market to begin with.
You're right, but you left out some stuff.
That is interesting. He might get upset, I don't know, I don't know him very well. I can say for certain he's capable of proactive thinking, so I don't think we're likely to hear from him about this until he has a better grasp of what 'this' will turn out to be.
I hate answering questions with questions, but what exactly gave you the idea that I got that idea? Am I unknowingly segfaulting again? Its known to happen, but I did say "If" he got mad.
I can be certain that he needs his films to make enough money to fund making more films. I'm sure he also wants to eat, I'm sure enough pepople will purchase this movie as a symbolic gesture that he doesn't get too upset.
If he got upset prior to actually knowing if this really hurt his wallet, well, I think he'd be defying the very sense of logic that makes him so appealing to many people.
I would never see his movies otherwise, I refuse to buy them in the store because I don't like the license and restrictions that come with them. So I have to watch a copy that someone else obtained. I'm not picky on how they obtained it
Many web sites will gladly sell you a place to put one of your banners. They will charge you a fee that is justified by the amount of visitors who will see your banner, further justified by estimating how many of those visitors would be likely to click on your banner and why.
For sites that depend on selling advertisement space to monetize, traffic scores calculated by third party sites like Amazon make or break your ability to get prime bucks for prime space on your web sites.
Comapnies who need to show an instant boom in traffic sometimes employ the use of spyware that can be signaled from a remote connection to begin "surfing" a given site from the visitor's IP address proporting to be the user's default browser type. Instantly, millions of people start surfing the target site completely unaware they're even doing it. Its a booming business, building and renting these networks.
You may not have heard of any of these sites, but I'm sure you'd pay top dollar to advertise there once you saw their traffic scores. Its a new cottage industry that thrives on Windows / IE users.
I wanted so badly to let Greg Bulmash have it on the first thread, but figured my mod points could do more good. :) I blogged a reaction to it also which seems to be getting a few views.
Its amazing what some people will concoct just to syndicate Google ads. Bulmash, your way off base and you knew it. Hope your happy with the reaction you're getting. Did you get plenty of ad clicks?
Bozo.
Oh, great. So every time you surf porn someone gets impailed by your 10G tube growing making the end point connection?
Sometimes I edit people's comments for very innocent reasons, some include : html markup somehow made it in, correcting a spelling error, fixing a broken link. It never dawned on me to have a terms of service that says I can and will edit comments as needed.
I'm really not worried about it, but if patent trolls exist, there's a good chance that you-edited-my-comment-so-ill-sue-you'ers also exist.
Yeah, but if we can do both, why not? Its going to take enormous amounts of social reforms to get everyone cooperating globally in order for plan A to work. That's going to take quite a bit of time. We may need to first eliminate money before companies stop futher evidencing the need for plan B.
We may as well be looking. In fact I think its rather foolish not to be looking, given the circumstances while keeping in mind probability and the chaos 'shit happens' factor.
If enough people are willing to do that prior to either 'shit happening' or total resource consumption, then great. I hope you realize this is a very dubious notion, at best.
We need a plan B in place.
If you understand that we are by nature parasites, and that 'shit happens', you'll see the need evidence itself.
Humans have only two (real) predators. Ourselves and viruses. There currently isn't much else keeping us in check on a regular basis.
Think about virusus for a minute because they are amazing survivors. A smart virus never fully disables or consumes its host. It knows if the host goes away, it goes away unless it can find another host.
Since, to this planet we are very much a virus, we need to be comfortable just admitting it, realizing that there is a high probability that we will do something terminally bad to this planet and find space to spread out. If we don't outright destroy it, we will overconsume it or die trying. Reference my previous statement, we have no natural predators other than ourselves and viruses. Now, we create viruses - even worse, genome specific viruses.
We have nukes, H-Bombs, American Idol, (I could go on).
The common cold is probably one of the best survivors I know of. It spreads from host to host easily and never really disables them. It can stay as long as it wants because it mutates so well. We need to aspire to be a cosmic cold in order to perpetuate, there is no question about it.
Hey, you asked