What if other projects adopt "no military" clauses like we've seen lately?
To me your statement just illustrates why the RMS concept of free software is more meaningful than OSS. The GPL and the Debian Free Software Guidleines specifically state that these type of exclusionary clauses are not Free Software. OSS just muddies the water here. Originally created to be more "business friendly" OSS licenses that aren't really Free, like other finely worded clauses, laws and other semantic trickery, just ends up being abused.
Perhaps the DOD should rethink their report and use/recommend Free as in Freedom software. Hell it even irked me a little when Fyodor told SCO they couldn't distribute nmap anymore. And I hate those bastards!
So... There appears to be quite a few programs on my Debian GNU/Linux system that are still Copyright Free Software Foundation. Bet hey, YMMV. Maybe I'm the only one running Debian.
BTW, don't they just plug in and appear as a drive? Anyway...
They do on Ubuntu. So does my camera, my crappy little 128 MB flash drive and my 40 Gig external drive. My FTDI chipset based port replicator* works flawlessly... I have had zero issues with USB periphs on Dapper Drake and Debian Etch. And I had few and easy to solve issues with Badger and Sarge. And from what I'm told I'm crazy for using Debian cause it's like out of date and teh hard!
I don't complain about USB issues with Win 95/98, I use XP. Why do people complain about USB issues on RedHat 6 or Debian Woody?
*Disclaimer: I work for CODi. And we support this device under Windows and Linux (2.4 kernel or above)
Hey, thanks for the info. I'm mostly interested in security updates. They seem to be difficult to track down at this point.
Bottom line is I just need to get off RedHat and use a different distro. I didn't buy RedHat so I don't hold a grudge over this. It's just a bit of a PITA. I'm thinking Ubuntu LTS Server is a good option for long term support. It's a co-located server in a tightly controlled NOC so it's tough for me to get at it through anything but ssh. I would love to try the macho approach and reinstall remotely but I can't afford to screw up so I just need to make the arrangements and visit it.
In the meantime I will follow up on your suggestions. Tx again.
Well coming from a guy who likes to recycle a lot of older 486's* and early pentiums I kind of appreciate the text based installer. I guess you could argue that letting the person installing pick between the two or falling back to text based automatically when faced with a limited resource system would be the way to go (ala RedHat) but as another poster pointed out the Debian installer does work on a number of different architectures.
As far as I'm concerned the Debian installer *is* graphical. I just can't use the mouse. But it's a pretty stragiht forward process, gives you a number of customization options and if you don't need to customize then it lets you pretty much walk through it by hitting Enter over and over.
I don't typically use Debian on my desktop machines, I use it on my servers. My favorite aspect of Debian is that they don't release new stuff because it's cool and fashionable, they release it when it's ready. When I want pretty graphics I use Ubuntu. Kind of like using Windows Server vs. Windows Pro IMHO. Except with Debian (and Ubuntu for that matter) I don't *have* to use the graphics if I don't want them on my server. But hey, as they say, YMMV.
My take on it is Debian is not about flashy software, it's about *Free* software and the philosophy that surrounds it.
Bah, so I don't meet your criteria. Fine. Granted.
My point still stands. The Federal government has grown completely out of control and has lost all reason and respect for the system of checks and balances that made this country so great when it was founded.
You obviously don't accept that and as a true American I fully respect your right to disagree with me. I only ask that I continue to enjoy the freedom that every American is born with, to criticize our government when it steps out of line.
OK so you have on e example. Here's a slightly different one; engaging in misdemeanor activities involving illicit drugs supports terrorism. At least that's what the GOP would have you believe.
These guys simply want further consolidation of their power and will obviously use any underhanded legal loophole they can find to reach that goal.
According to Josh there is no evidence of crime on the tape. Don't mistake the power of blogging for some amateurish attempt at mimicking the media. When our country was founded, by people who would be called terrorists today BTW, the people who got the word out were amateur journalists publishing pamphlets and newsletters. Whatever your political views today you would be a fool to suggest we take the power for regular Joes like you and me to publish news. If you take the time to put something together that is based on facts and current events and then publish then you are a journalist, plain and simple. And, especially for political speech, you should be able to enjoy the rights afforded journalism.
And as for your little girl, we'll talk about that when it happens.
Well I just read TFA and I didn't see a reference to his mother continuing to blog as the reason cited for this being a federal case. My understanding from reading TFA is that the footage that Josh shot was of G8 protestors lighting a police car on fire. Because the Fed Gov gives money to CA for "anti-terrorism" which is then used to fund things like police cars this is now a federal matter. Becasue we all know a guy who is politically active but doesn't agree with the current ruling party is just a half step away from Osama Bin Laden. Especially when he is prone to carryng a video camera with him everywhere he goes.
We have truly become a police state. In the name of anti-terrorism everything Americans know and love about the USA is quickly dieing.
It's been quoted a thousand times but I think in this context it bears repeating:
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Ben Franklin 1775
I've been using the Beta for a while now and what this low priveleged account amounts to is a dialog popping up when elevated privaleges are required and asking "Do you want to continue?". My understanding is you can now call CreateProcess such that it will load this dialog if elevated privaleges are needed.
Yes it's a great way to alert a knowledgable user that some background process may be playing where it doesn't belong but I still see thousands of end users blindly clicking "Continue" as with the old Active X warnings.
I think MS has made some great strides in this area. But they're going to have to "innovate" a lot more then this to solve the clueless user problem.
I'd like to clarify based on some of the somewhat sarcastic "yeah real programmers code in assembly with cat!" replies.
I'm not saying tools, IDE and even M$ style code generators are a bad thing. But it is important to understand them under the hood. They are each a great asset when they work correctly or completely fill your needs. When they fail or can't do that last 5% because the tool maker didn't anticipate your particluar need then your only recourse is to open the hood and fiddle with the bits. I couldn't really do that until I tried coding the hard way for a few months and made the connection between what an IDE did for me and how I could change, tweak or remove code to make the end result even better. When you are at work and being paid by the hour, use the tools. When you are home and hacking for fun try writing your C code in vi and a shell, without cut and paste and using man as your only reference. You'd be suprised at how comprehensive an environment this actually is!
And I'd also argue that for a lot of the simpler, administrative assitant type programs that I whip up sometimes opening vi or notepad and quickly typing up a program is easier then screwing around in a bloated development environment. But that's another topic entirely. My initial comments speak to a large development environment with multiple programmers.
Yes, exactly. My initial comment stems from me starting my adventures in programming with Visual Basic and VBA. These are handy tools for prototyping an application quickly but when they do something wrong or just aren't capable of something and you don't anything beyond the IDE itself then you're stuck. I quickly learned not to trust wizards and started to expand my knowledge by learning and using the Windows API from within VB.
But I really never felt like I understood what I was doing unitl I started writing perl and C on Linux. I also found I learned a lot by writing C++ programs in VS but avoiding ATL or MFC and rolling my own classes. Now I don't necessarily think that's the way to go for a production program but I learned a lot in my efforts to "reinvent the wheel".
For now, my favorite "IDE" is vi and my language of choice is perl but I feel comfortable with just about any programming environment because I learned a long time ago to not wrap up the concept of programming around any particular set of tools.
I would say that, like any other code generator, wizard, druid, whatever you want to call it, this has a great potential to help with programming. As long as developers using it don't get lazy about checking their own code.
As a tool to point out obvious code flaws, catch conflicting code in large projects, etc. this is great. But I've found over the years that if you don't understand how to do something manually and aren't able to second guess a tool when it makes a mistake then these types of things can end up being more trouble then they're worth.
You may be right. In a pschological sense they succeeded with at least one person, at least if you take his statement at face value. From yesterday's article: Mr. Moore, 24 years old, who lives in Austin, Texas. But he says the meetings put a human face on a company he once saw as impenetrable. "You're less willing to publicly humiliate someone you know in real life," he says.'"
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What if other projects adopt "no military" clauses like we've seen lately?
To me your statement just illustrates why the RMS concept of free software is more meaningful than OSS. The GPL and the Debian Free Software Guidleines specifically state that these type of exclusionary clauses are not Free Software. OSS just muddies the water here. Originally created to be more "business friendly" OSS licenses that aren't really Free, like other finely worded clauses, laws and other semantic trickery, just ends up being abused.
Perhaps the DOD should rethink their report and use/recommend Free as in Freedom software. Hell it even irked me a little when Fyodor told SCO they couldn't distribute nmap anymore. And I hate those bastards!
So do you work for Microsoft or SCO?
Well this as quick and dirty an analysis that you can get but I think it illustrates that you may be off by a bit...
/bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin; do
/bin - 48
/sbin - 5
/usr/bin - 188
/usr/sbin - 4
for d in
strings $d/* | grep -i Copyright | grep "Free Software" | wc -l
done
Results:
So... There appears to be quite a few programs on my Debian GNU/Linux system that are still Copyright Free Software Foundation.
Bet hey, YMMV. Maybe I'm the only one running Debian.
Someone ought to let AOL know, it'd save them some digging...
I believe your correct... Daffy Duck if IRC.
Well SanDisk didn't do it but per your request... here you go!
Bases on this post I vote for a new moderator category: Perplexing.
A collection of pipes moving pr0n around?
It's tubes man, tubes.
BTW, don't they just plug in and appear as a drive? Anyway...
They do on Ubuntu. So does my camera, my crappy little 128 MB flash drive and my 40 Gig external drive. My FTDI chipset based port replicator* works flawlessly...
I have had zero issues with USB periphs on Dapper Drake and Debian Etch. And I had few and easy to solve issues with Badger and Sarge. And from what I'm told I'm crazy for using Debian cause it's like out of date and teh hard!
I don't complain about USB issues with Win 95/98, I use XP. Why do people complain about USB issues on RedHat 6 or Debian Woody?
*Disclaimer: I work for CODi. And we support this device under Windows and Linux (2.4 kernel or above)
Hey, thanks for the info. I'm mostly interested in security updates. They seem to be difficult to track down at this point.
Bottom line is I just need to get off RedHat and use a different distro. I didn't buy RedHat so I don't hold a grudge over this. It's just a bit of a PITA. I'm thinking Ubuntu LTS Server is a good option for long term support. It's a co-located server in a tightly controlled NOC so it's tough for me to get at it through anything but ssh. I would love to try the macho approach and reinstall remotely but I can't afford to screw up so I just need to make the arrangements and visit it.
In the meantime I will follow up on your suggestions. Tx again.
As an admin with RedHat 7.2 server at the moment I find apt-rmp a bit lacking...
/.'ers could point me to a decent repositiory for a sorry SOB
Actually if any friendly
in my situation I would be extremely grateful!
Well coming from a guy who likes to recycle a lot of older 486's* and early pentiums I kind of appreciate the text based installer. I guess you could argue that letting the person installing pick between the two or falling back to text based automatically when faced with a limited resource system would be the way to go (ala RedHat) but as another poster pointed out the Debian installer does work on a number of different architectures.
As far as I'm concerned the Debian installer *is* graphical. I just can't use the mouse. But it's a pretty stragiht forward process, gives you a number of customization options and if you don't need to customize then it lets you pretty much walk through it by hitting Enter over and over.
I don't typically use Debian on my desktop machines, I use it on my servers. My favorite aspect of Debian is that they don't release new stuff because it's cool and fashionable, they release it when it's ready. When I want pretty graphics I use Ubuntu. Kind of like using Windows Server vs. Windows Pro IMHO. Except with Debian (and Ubuntu for that matter) I don't *have* to use the graphics if I don't want them on my server. But hey, as they say, YMMV.
My take on it is Debian is not about flashy software, it's about *Free* software and the philosophy that surrounds it.
You can't make this shit up...
Bah, so I don't meet your criteria. Fine. Granted.
My point still stands. The Federal government has grown completely out of control and has lost all reason and respect for the system of checks and balances that made this country so great when it was founded.
You obviously don't accept that and as a true American I fully respect your right to disagree with me. I only ask that I continue to enjoy the freedom that every American is born with, to criticize our government when it steps out of line.
OK so you have on e example. Here's a slightly different one; engaging in misdemeanor activities involving illicit drugs supports terrorism. At least that's what the GOP would have you believe.
These guys simply want further consolidation of their power and will obviously use any underhanded legal loophole they can find to reach that goal.
MIGHT show G8 protesters lighting the car.
Very good point! Thank you for picking up on that.
According to Josh there is no evidence of crime on the tape. Don't mistake the power of blogging for some amateurish attempt at mimicking the media. When our country was founded, by people who would be called terrorists today BTW, the people who got the word out were amateur journalists publishing pamphlets and newsletters. Whatever your political views today you would be a fool to suggest we take the power for regular Joes like you and me to publish news. If you take the time to put something together that is based on facts and current events and then publish then you are a journalist, plain and simple. And, especially for political speech, you should be able to enjoy the rights afforded journalism.
And as for your little girl, we'll talk about that when it happens.
Well I just read TFA and I didn't see a reference to his mother continuing to blog as the reason cited for this being a federal case. My understanding from reading TFA is that the footage that Josh shot was of G8 protestors lighting a police car on fire. Because the Fed Gov gives money to CA for "anti-terrorism" which is then used to fund things like police cars this is now a federal matter. Becasue we all know a guy who is politically active but doesn't agree with the current ruling party is just a half step away from Osama Bin Laden. Especially when he is prone to carryng a video camera with him everywhere he goes.
We have truly become a police state. In the name of anti-terrorism everything Americans know and love about the USA is quickly dieing.
It's been quoted a thousand times but I think in this context it bears repeating:
"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Ben Franklin
1775
I've been using the Beta for a while now and what this low priveleged account amounts to is a dialog popping up when elevated privaleges are required and asking "Do you want to continue?". My understanding is you can now call CreateProcess such that it will load this dialog if elevated privaleges are needed.
Yes it's a great way to alert a knowledgable user that some background process may be playing where it doesn't belong but I still see thousands of end users blindly clicking "Continue" as with the old Active X warnings.
I think MS has made some great strides in this area. But they're going to have to "innovate" a lot more then this to solve the clueless user problem.
I'd like to clarify based on some of the somewhat sarcastic "yeah real programmers code in assembly with cat!" replies.
I'm not saying tools, IDE and even M$ style code generators are a bad thing. But it is important to understand them under the hood. They are each a great asset when they work correctly or completely fill your needs. When they fail or can't do that last 5% because the tool maker didn't anticipate your particluar need then your only recourse is to open the hood and fiddle with the bits. I couldn't really do that until I tried coding the hard way for a few months and made the connection between what an IDE did for me and how I could change, tweak or remove code to make the end result even better.
When you are at work and being paid by the hour, use the tools. When you are home and hacking for fun try writing your C code in vi and a shell, without cut and paste and using man as your only reference. You'd be suprised at how comprehensive an environment this actually is!
And I'd also argue that for a lot of the simpler, administrative assitant type programs that I whip up sometimes opening vi or notepad and quickly typing up a program is easier then screwing around in a bloated development environment. But that's another topic entirely. My initial comments speak to a large development environment with multiple programmers.
I beleive the biological term is "blackus hatis hacksaloti".
Yes, exactly. My initial comment stems from me starting my adventures in programming with Visual Basic and VBA. These are handy tools for prototyping an application quickly but when they do something wrong or just aren't capable of something and you don't anything beyond the IDE itself then you're stuck. I quickly learned not to trust wizards and started to expand my knowledge by learning and using the Windows API from within VB.
But I really never felt like I understood what I was doing unitl I started writing perl and C on Linux. I also found I learned a lot by writing C++ programs in VS but avoiding ATL or MFC and rolling my own classes. Now I don't necessarily think that's the way to go for a production program but I learned a lot in my efforts to "reinvent the wheel".
For now, my favorite "IDE" is vi and my language of choice is perl but I feel comfortable with just about any programming environment because I learned a long time ago to not wrap up the concept of programming around any particular set of tools.
I would say that, like any other code generator, wizard, druid, whatever you want to call it, this has a great potential to help with programming. As long as developers using it don't get lazy about checking their own code.
As a tool to point out obvious code flaws, catch conflicting code in large projects, etc. this is great. But I've found over the years that if you don't understand how to do something manually and aren't able to second guess a tool when it makes a mistake then these types of things can end up being more trouble then they're worth.
Just my $.02
You may be right. In a pschological sense they succeeded with at least one person, at least if you take his statement at face value. From yesterday's article:
Mr. Moore, 24 years old, who lives in Austin, Texas. But he says the meetings put a human face on a company he once saw as impenetrable. "You're less willing to publicly humiliate someone you know in real life," he says.'"
Nope. Emacs on the other hand...