Where are you filtering? Let's say for a second it's the browser (with net nanny or something similar). Your 10 year, starting to become curious, types in www.cheapsluts.xxx. That's easy enough to filter... ends in xxx, just block it. No look up needed.
OK, the kid feels clever. He types in 69.69.69.69 in the address bar. Well, hmmm, the browser thinks. That there is an ip address. Let me just do a reverse lookup on that... (dig -x for broswsers kicks in), the browser gets back the domain matching 69...69 and tells the kid to go play outside.
Of course you really want this filtering done on a gateway or router but the concept is the same. By the time a router gets a request it is an ip address anyway so you configure your router to do a reverse look up on the ip and see if it is registered in the 3x TLD.
In other words, just like most things with computers, there are a number of different ways to do it.
I beleive, although I don't really buy into this argument, that the typical response to your very sensible line of reasoning would be something like this:
"If we release the patch before corporations are ready then we're giving people a chance to create an exploit based on data that can be gleaned from the patch."
While I do beleive in responsible disclosure I think that MS has a bad track record when it comes to releasing patches based on known availability of exploits. There are a number of unpatched flaws that have been around for a while now and there are plenty of exploits for them, these two being prime examples.
If they want to schedule around corporate IT departments needs, fine, let them. But as soon as a patch is available for something that's being actively exploited it should be released. Immediately.
Never the less, this is the License Theo chose for OpenBSD. If he doesn't like it maybe he should consider choosing a different license for upcoming releases. I hope he doesn't or if he does he chooses another "free" license but he does have the choice.
Well most of my friends and family (not in my household, but extended family) still use Windows and I get all the same questions you mention from them. They don't get such amazing support from Best Buy, CompUSA or Microsoft. They don't feel like going through the hassle of getting support this way. They ask me, or another geek they know. A company can put the best support resources in the world together and give it away free of charge and average consumers will still go ask thier neighbor's genious ten year old for help first if they can.
I don't know anything about Linspire's or Walmart's support of these machines but I imagine it isn't any more or less painful to deal with then the support you get from Best Buy, MS or Dell when you walk out of the mall with the latest Dell Notebook running Windows XP.
The place I work, the management is so out of touch they have no idea whats going on. They constantly allocate resources in the most ass way possible, lie, cheat, steal, and fire anybody who is competent.
While I can see some merit to your arguments the quote from the article you cited honestly leaves me with chills.
Did anyone else not think "integrating user apps with the back office more tightly" is just one more avenue that makes it easy for companies to get screwed by poor security in MS Apps. This integration that they talk about will most likely be implemented with the same "hurry up, marketing told everyone it would be ready next week" attitude that they take in developing all their products. It will be years before the unfortunate little guys like myself, working for small companies, have paid Microsoft good money to work out the security issues and bugs that will be released along with this "innovation".
When IBM sends "armies of consultants" to do custom development for a company they stand by it. They work with you until it is a complete, robust and secure solution.
MS may start offering something similar, but I don't think Joe small business is going to find it on the shelf at Best Buy.
Of course he is. It may have been a while but he wrote the initial code and a lot of what came after. And he reads code at a level that makes most of us blush.
Just because you don't write as much code as you used to doesn't mean your not a programmer anymore. Besides, what's he doing in his free time that we don't necessarily know about?
"What I'm saying is that you can't give so much credit to a group of people who do nothing but write a distribution license that's getting increasingly preachy."
You had a valid point unitl you said that (IMHO) opinion.
The FSF/GNU project has done a hell of a lot more then just write a distribution license.
In fact I would go so far to say that the pre 1.0 version of the Linux kernel would have had an interest level of 0 attached to if it were not for the widely availbale, free tools that people used to improve Linux into something that people could actually use. (gcc & friends, binutils, etc.)
Preaching is what Stallman does. You can love it, hate it or ignore it and get back to programming. But a lot of us, when we get back to programming, have Stallman to thnak for the tools we are using.
I 100% agree. But yet recently I was forced to upgrade our accounting system through two versions in a weekend. Why? Well a new manager came along and said "We're using an unsupported version? We must upgrade now!".
We, like you, did not rush to upgrade because we didn't feel the need. Our users were happy and used to the system. We'd worked out some bugs over the years and everything was pretty stable, very routine. But our support contract (which we never used) stated that once a new version came out support for the old was very limited and eventually was per incedent, $mega/hour support only.
While I understand the nature of a support contract as insurance it is a bit frustrating that my company pays a huge annual amount for this, we hardly (actually never while I was here) use it and if we want to keep it we have to run our business on their schedule, not ours.
Assuming for a moment that this is even true it seems highly coincidental that left-wing, liberal sites are all running internet radio or public forums and right-wing, pro-war sites are all considered benign when it comes to network resources.
Not saying it's not possible, just very coincidental.:-)
I tend to agree with you but I just think it's funny that the post immediately following yours (the way I list them anyway) is (supposedly) a guy in Iraq denying the allegations. Thus the "let's confirm or deny this" spirit is creeping in amongst the usual/. noise.
Not sure if I beleive this guy or not but the discussion is brewing.
Look we don't even know if this is true yet. But taken for a moment that it is I seriously doubt this has anything to do with respecting Saudi (or Iraqi) law.
Are you telling me that the Saudi or Iraqi follows American politics and entertainment enough to know that Wonkette = Bad and Rush Limbaugh = Good?
If true this seems to me to be an obvious attempt to shut out the dissenters at home.
I understood your argument about morale, whether I agree with it or not.
But the whole "respect for a sovereign nations' laws" argument is just a straw man... -- Bring your towel.
If I install a FTP server app on my computer at work, set it to allow anonymous and share my whole hard drive, that's my fault when feces meets oscillating blades.
As the IT Director of my small company if you worked for us and did this *I* would be in trouble. If you are an employee, pretty savvy with the PC but do something idiotic like spew our new formula for X onto the web via our network then guess who's fault that is? Mine. The questions will go something like this:
1. Why was the user allowed to install software without your authorization? 2. Why did the network let anonymous ftp traffic in/out? 3. What else is going on around here that you don't have a f*%*ing clue about?
It would most likely end with this statement:
You are* fired!
(* inserted to avoid infringment of Mr. Trump's IP)
And not to leave out the smaller apps, 7-Zip? GAIM? vi? emacs? bash?
Maybe I'm wrong on some of these... Maybe some of these projects do have some "big business" backing that I am unaware of, but those all came to mind and I don't remember ever seeing an ad or reading an article that said "Apache will really take off now that $favorite_big_business is involved.
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Where are you filtering? Let's say for a second it's the browser (with net nanny or something similar). Your 10 year, starting to become curious, types in www.cheapsluts.xxx. That's easy enough to filter... ends in xxx, just block it. No look up needed.
OK, the kid feels clever. He types in 69.69.69.69 in the address bar. Well, hmmm, the browser thinks. That there is an ip address. Let me just do a reverse lookup on that... (dig -x for broswsers kicks
in), the browser gets back the domain matching 69...69 and tells the kid to go play outside.
Of course you really want this filtering done on a gateway or router but the concept is the same. By the time a router gets a request it is an ip address anyway so you configure your router to do a reverse look up on the ip and see if it is registered in the 3x TLD.
In other words, just like most things with computers, there are a number of different ways to do it.
Ah /. how do I love thee!
Where else would you see people nitpicking over etymology during a discussion about drawing boobies with a computer?
This is the second reasonable, dow to earth post I've seen about the article so far. *Geesh* - you people take the fun out of everything... :-)
I beleive, although I don't really buy into this argument, that the typical response to your very sensible line of reasoning would be something like this:
"If we release the patch before corporations are ready then we're giving people a chance to create an exploit based on data that can be gleaned from the patch."
While I do beleive in responsible disclosure I think that MS has a bad track record when it comes to releasing patches based on known availability of exploits. There are a number of unpatched flaws that have been around for a while now and there are plenty of exploits for them, these two being prime examples.
If they want to schedule around corporate IT departments needs, fine, let them. But as soon as a patch is available for something that's being actively exploited it should be released. Immediately.
Never the less, this is the License Theo chose for OpenBSD. If he doesn't like it maybe he should consider choosing a different license for upcoming releases. I hope he doesn't or if he does he chooses another "free" license but he does have the choice.
In Korea only old people would use this feature.
Yes! :-)
I'd *pay* for open source software that did that!
Well most of my friends and family (not in my household, but extended family) still use Windows and I get all the same questions you mention from them. They don't get such amazing support from Best Buy, CompUSA or Microsoft. They don't feel like going through the hassle of getting support this way. They ask me, or another geek they know. A company can put the best support resources in the world together and give it away free of charge and average consumers will still go ask thier neighbor's genious ten year old for help first if they can.
I don't know anything about Linspire's or Walmart's support of these machines but I imagine it isn't any more or less painful to deal with then the support you get from Best Buy, MS or Dell when you walk out of the mall with the latest Dell Notebook running Windows XP.
Yes, I agree, I think we have stumbled on a whole new /. phenomenon... Online Spontaneous Creation of a Mutual Admiration Society.
:-)
Of course thier Mac guys so I guess it's not really that wierd after all.
(It's a joke... laugh.)
The place I work, the management is so out of touch they have no idea whats going on. They constantly allocate resources in the most ass way possible, lie, cheat, steal, and fire anybody who is competent.
So you work at Microsoft?
Nice.
p okesperson-and-aliens please point your browser to this little gem.
And for some more humor-based-on-everyone's-favorite-weed-smoking-s
While I can see some merit to your arguments the quote from the article you cited honestly leaves me with chills.
Did anyone else not think "integrating user apps with the back office more tightly" is just one more avenue that makes it easy for companies to get screwed by poor security in MS Apps. This integration that they talk about will most likely be implemented with the same "hurry up, marketing told everyone it would be ready next week" attitude that they take in developing all their products. It will be years before the unfortunate little guys like myself, working for small companies, have paid Microsoft good money to work out the security issues and bugs that will be released along with this "innovation".
When IBM sends "armies of consultants" to do custom development for a company they stand by it. They work with you until it is a complete, robust and secure solution.
MS may start offering something similar, but I don't think Joe small business is going to find it on the shelf at Best Buy.
and possix and BSD userland and kernels have been around for alot longer and would hav existed to this day without RMS.
Um.... Stallman had something to do with a lot of this stuuff too.
He coined the term POSIX, convinced a lot of people it was a good idea and wrote a good many of the tools included in the systems you mention.
Yes, Stallman is uncompromising, political to a fault, sometimes even harsh and annnoying. But since when has ever claimed to be anything else?
"He's not really even a programmer"
Of course he is. It may have been a while but he wrote the initial code and a lot of what came after. And he reads code at a level that makes most of us blush.
Just because you don't write as much code as you used to doesn't mean your not a programmer anymore. Besides, what's he doing in his free time that we don't necessarily know about?
"What I'm saying is that you can't give so much credit to a group of people who do nothing but write a distribution license that's getting increasingly preachy."
You had a valid point unitl you said that (IMHO) opinion.
The FSF/GNU project has done a hell of a lot more then just write a distribution license.
In fact I would go so far to say that the pre 1.0 version of the Linux kernel would have had an interest level of 0 attached to if it were not for the widely availbale, free tools that people used to improve Linux into something that people could actually use. (gcc & friends, binutils, etc.)
Preaching is what Stallman does. You can love it, hate it or ignore it and get back to programming. But a lot of us, when we get back to programming, have Stallman to thnak for the tools we are using.
I 100% agree. But yet recently I was forced to upgrade our accounting system through two versions in a weekend. Why? Well a new manager came along and said "We're using an unsupported version? We must upgrade now!".
We, like you, did not rush to upgrade because we didn't feel the need. Our users were happy and used to the system. We'd worked out some bugs over the years and everything was pretty stable, very routine. But our support contract (which we never used) stated that once a new version came out support for the old was very limited and eventually was per incedent, $mega/hour support only.
While I understand the nature of a support contract as insurance it is a bit frustrating that my company pays a huge annual amount for this, we hardly (actually never while I was here) use it and if we want to keep it we have to run our business on their schedule, not ours.
When software makers urge upgrades, it isn't always in users' best interest, the Wall Street Journal reports.
And rain is wet.
Assuming for a moment that this is even true it seems highly coincidental that left-wing, liberal sites are all running internet radio or public forums and right-wing, pro-war sites are all considered benign when it comes to network resources.
:-)
Not saying it's not possible, just very coincidental.
I tend to agree with you but I just think it's funny that the post immediately following yours (the way I list them anyway) is (supposedly) a guy in Iraq denying the allegations. Thus the "let's confirm or deny this" spirit is creeping in amongst the usual /. noise.
Not sure if I beleive this guy or not but the discussion is brewing.
Look we don't even know if this is true yet. But taken for a moment that it is I seriously doubt this has anything to do with respecting Saudi (or Iraqi) law.
Are you telling me that the Saudi or Iraqi follows American politics and entertainment enough to know that Wonkette = Bad and Rush Limbaugh = Good?
If true this seems to me to be an obvious attempt to shut out the dissenters at home.
I understood your argument about morale, whether I agree with it or not.
But the whole "respect for a sovereign nations' laws" argument is just a straw man...
--
Bring your towel.
Yes but this is free. And it comes with source code. Yum.
And with 175 Billion served, they have done us a wonderful population-control service.
;-)
I know you jest but given the nutritional value of their food I wonder how far off the mark you really are?
This is like saying that Microsoft has overstepped the bounds by installing solitare and other games with Windows XP Pro
My problem is that Microsoft installs this crap on Windows *Server*.
If I install a FTP server app on my computer at work, set it to allow anonymous and share my whole hard drive, that's my fault when feces meets oscillating blades.
As the IT Director of my small company if you worked for us and did this *I* would be in trouble. If you are an employee, pretty savvy with the PC but do something idiotic like spew our new formula for X onto the web via our network then guess who's fault that is? Mine. The questions will go something like this:
1. Why was the user allowed to install software without your authorization?
2. Why did the network let anonymous ftp traffic in/out?
3. What else is going on around here that you don't have a f*%*ing clue about?
It would most likely end with this statement:
You are* fired!
(* inserted to avoid infringment of Mr. Trump's IP)
Apache? PHP?
And not to leave out the smaller apps, 7-Zip? GAIM? vi? emacs? bash?
Maybe I'm wrong on some of these... Maybe some of these projects do have some
"big business" backing that I am unaware of, but those all came to mind and I
don't remember ever seeing an ad or reading an article that said "Apache will
really take off now that $favorite_big_business is involved.