And, had he not confessed to the charges, he could have forced the evidence to be made public at trial. But he didn't, because he's guilty (who the hell cops for 7 years instead of risking 20-ish?
That's almost certainly not true, as a matter of fact. The Justic department has lately taken the tack that if they run into any problems in prosecutions like this, they can simply declare the defendant an 'enemy combatant' and hustle him off to a secret military court where he can be sentenced to death, in secret, without any constitutional safeguards.
If you were facing that kind of threat, you'd find a 7 year plea bargain unnaturally attractive too. Even if innocent.
Yes, do that. Search the records, see if it was auctioned off, if anyone bought it, what exactly happened to the company in a legal sense. Bankruptcy? If so then you need to read through the bankruptcy judgement. If you're smart and keep it low profile you can probably acquire the rights real cheap.
Of course posting to slashdot might not be the best start on keeping a low profile.
Ah, yes, most hits on slashdot are from IE/Windows, of course.
That's because most slashdot readers are wasting time at work, and work for the kind of idiots that 'standardize on Win2k corporation wide' and similar nonsense speak. Which, of course, is why said slashdot readers are more interested in wasting time than actually working.;)
Lots of Mac heads among the elvish population though. And it's not hard at all to use those.ttfs on a Mac. It wouldn't even take a link. A single sentence would do. Oh well.
Tuesday: Judge: Linux Distro X, do you have anything to say before we proceed? Penguin: Yes, your honour, we would like to enter these documents into evidence. They show the provenence of the lines in question, which were contributed by SCO (at the time known as Caldera) employees, with full authorisation of their superiors, and all the documentation is here.
I wouldn't be opposed to a simple amendment clarifying that the junk fax law in the US applies to Spam (it seems to me it does anyway, but I understand the courts are for some reason reticent to apply it.) But I fear, with good reason, that any legislation that is realistically going to be passed is going to be something very different. It will not only have the slippery slope type provisions you mention, and set a very bad precedent for the future in that respect, but it will also excempt lots of so-called 'legitimate' spammers, those that have enough money to buy a couple of legislators. At present, we can still do our best to minimise the effectiveness of those spammers, through filtering, blacklisting, etc. Yes, it's not perfect, but if you think it's bad now you just wait until they have a law saying that they're ok and you can't interfere with them.
I don't see any realistic chance of the US congress, or the legislatures in most other countries, passing any reasonable anti-spam law. I do see a very large chance of them passing the kind of monstrosity I outline above, however. So I'm damn sure not going to make it even more likely by calling for legislative action on it.
Not that I doubt it's true, but a simple majority still leaves a lot of room for some very large minorities.
In my experience, the set of people that care about Elvish (a subset of those that actually know what the heck it is) includes pretty large minorities of Mac and *nix folks. Never said they were the majority, even in this class, but they're sure a much larger portion than in the population at large.
So I would have expected at least a mention of the existence of such, perhaps a couple of quick links to how-tos on using ttf fonts on Mac and *nix... *shrug*
How do you figure technical zealotry plays into it at all?
It was simply observed that the instructions were for use with Windows. I found that a bit odd myself, considering that the target audience is a bit small and includes a disproportionate number of people that don't use Windows.
Fortunately most of us are smart enough to get it working on our own boxes without the instructions, but that doesn't mean it isn't odd.
Other posters have already pointed out the bandwidth issues over and over, so I'll skip that obvious difference.
The fact is that not all problems are suitable to parallel processing. Sometimes you really need to know the outcome of one operation before you can go on to the next.
Beowulf clusters really suck on problems where that applies. Cray style supercomputers shine on them.
Getting government involved won't help, however. You're going to kill the good and let the bad live going that road.
Spam can be stopped, with the current technology (with 10-15 year old technology, actually) with a little social and economic help.
Ask yourself, how do spammers make any money out of being pains in the ass?
Mostly by scamming their employers, of course. They tell regular small business folk they'll do 'legitimate marketing' and get them to pay for it before the results of that marketing, a swarm or pissed off people who want the poor folk to die and will certainly never buy from them, appear. Those sources won't last forever, people wise up after getting burned like that.
No, to have a stable source of income. The serious spammers are hooked up with contracts with BIG ISPs. Small ones won't work, because when we find out who they are we threaten them with the black hole and they fold quick.
But there are a handful of really huge providers that threat doesn't work on. It's just not realistic to blackhole someone that provides backbone service, someone that has so many legitimate users you do more harm than good when you cut them off. They know that, so if a spamhaus offers them a sizeable premium they feel safe hosting them. That is the big reason that current efforts like MAPS haven't practically eliminated spam already.
The key is to distribute the infrastructure. If there weren't any companies owning a large enough chunk of the infrastructure to fancy themselves immune to consequences, spammers would never be able to make a reliable profit and they would die out.
I think you missed something. Where I wrote Suse I referred to Suse. The 'them' was SCO.
In other words Suse sued SCO in Germany, and made them shut up, in Germany. IIRC. Now that I think about it might not have been just Suse, I think linuxtag was involved? Anyway...
I think the frivolous crap he was referring to was the SCO v. IBM suit, which is indeed scheduled to go to court in about 5 years IIRC.
And while I'd be tempted to say that the first two counts would be thrown out offhand (you can't really go to court to disprove something like copyright infringement AFAIK, at least not as the defendant-as-litigator)
Not actually true. Since SCO has publically said they might sue people on these grounds, and that is adversely affecting RH business, I believe they do indeed have a ground for the suit there.
Not really, because they were never in any danger to start with.
But psychologically it's bound to be a big help. That's what they're suing over, essentially... the psychological damage SCO is trying to do by flinging around wild accusations that they can't back up, but which scare the bejeezus out of the PHBs that buy Redhat.
Suse already got an injunction against them in Germany. German courts pretty much told them to shut the hell up unless they could back their allegations up, so they... shut the hell up. Not a peep out of them in Germany since.
I have to say this. I hate Red Hat. Not the people. The distribution. RPM. Their whole idiotic file layout. Their stupid configuration tools. I used it for awhile, and I really do hate it.
But I don't hate the people working for them - there are a lot of really good people there. And I don't hate the company. As a corporation, it does some pretty dumb things occasionally, sure. And the buzzwordspeak is annoying ('...continue to realize the significant value that our Red Hat Linux platform provides' - wtf are they trying to say and why don't they just say it?) but all companies, for some unintelligible reason, seem to do that. I was a bit peeved when they C&D'd linuxiso, I must admit, but that turned out to have been a simple mistake by some simpleton in the legal office and was quickly rectified.
In the end, even though their system disgusts me and I will never willingly use it again, they pay some damn fine hackers to work on damn fine Free software, and despite all the buzzwordspeak they do seem to know what they're talking about when they use the word community.
So RedHat is alright by me. They're not bad folks.
Ice went themeable due to user demand, of course. It originally was a light and fast win95 look-alike, and it's all still there, depending on the theme.
I've used it with both KDE and Gnome, it's quite easy to set up a good working environment with either using Ice as the WM, and it's noticeably faster and cleaner than using the POS that 'pure' KDE uses.
Not sure about KDE but with Gnome you can even set it up so that you can retheme the WM and the Gnome apps together, so that everything matches up nicely.
As I said in my original post further up the thread, I personally prefer WindowMaker. Using WindowMaker as the WM for Gnome is really far better in my opinion than the typical Gnome setup, it's faster, cleaner, and easier to use. You do have to do a little menu editing, not much else. If you want the desktop icon stuff you just have the file manager load with the WM. If you want the panels it's a one line entry and there you are. Personally I find them annoying and unecessary - the dock works great for persistent indicators, the clip works great for desktop management, and the regular WindowMaker interface is just fine for desktop management and task lists. Better than panels and start menus and taskbars any day, IMHOP.
The point is just that there are a lot more options available than people seem to give any credence too, and this fixation on full blown 'desktop environments' which seems to mean in practice 'windows clones' is counterproductive, I think. Why on earth, for instance, would you want a task bar and a start menu when there are so many more usable equivalents that don't take up screen space like that? With WindowMaker you just right click on the root window to bring up your applications menu. You can make it persistent, place it wherever you want, open a submenu and do the same with it, get rid of the main list but keep the submenu open or vice versa... it's much more flexible. Want a task list? Middle click on the root window. Again, you can make it persistent, relocate it wherever you want it, and close it completely if you don't need it. And it's always readable. That task bar sits there whether you need it or not, can be relocated but only to a limited set of options, and is often completely unreadable.
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I understand there is a native client already. Never seen it though. Let me find a link.
Ah yes, here's the press release. A java client, ok not quite native. An alternative to the web interface though.
I'd look for evolution to start working with groupwise too though.
It's higher than 55%. But even if it weren't, that's still a majority, which means the original poster was right, most utahans are mormons.
And yes, the first post was 'a little goofy' that's why it's rated funny. Laugh. Hahah. You familiar with the concept?
I spent some of the best years of my life surrounded by mormons, I've had a lot of mormon friends, I've got nothing against mormons. Doesn't mean we can't occasionally joke about them. Fact is, most of the good mormon jokes I've heard were told to me by mormons. The best lawyer jokes always came from my aunt who is a lawyer, and the best jew jokes I know came from friends who are jewish. Humour is a pretty universal human trait. Although every group has a few that just don't get it, apparently.
the UI for NetWare was the worst case in the whole industry.
I must strenuously disagree. I wouldn't say it was the best UI ever invented, but it's pretty straightforward and easy to learn and manipulate. I've seen much worse.
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That's almost certainly not true, as a matter of fact. The Justic department has lately taken the tack that if they run into any problems in prosecutions like this, they can simply declare the defendant an 'enemy combatant' and hustle him off to a secret military court where he can be sentenced to death, in secret, without any constitutional safeguards.
If you were facing that kind of threat, you'd find a 7 year plea bargain unnaturally attractive too. Even if innocent.
So free up some disk space and let us know your results.
Yes, do that. Search the records, see if it was auctioned off, if anyone bought it, what exactly happened to the company in a legal sense. Bankruptcy? If so then you need to read through the bankruptcy judgement. If you're smart and keep it low profile you can probably acquire the rights real cheap.
Of course posting to slashdot might not be the best start on keeping a low profile.
Ah, yes, most hits on slashdot are from IE/Windows, of course.
That's because most slashdot readers are wasting time at work, and work for the kind of idiots that 'standardize on Win2k corporation wide' and similar nonsense speak. Which, of course, is why said slashdot readers are more interested in wasting time than actually working. ;)
Lots of Mac heads among the elvish population though. And it's not hard at all to use those .ttfs on a Mac. It wouldn't even take a link. A single sentence would do. Oh well.
More likely version.
Tuesday:
Judge: Linux Distro X, do you have anything to say before we proceed?
Penguin: Yes, your honour, we would like to enter these documents into evidence. They show the provenence of the lines in question, which were contributed by SCO (at the time known as Caldera) employees, with full authorisation of their superiors, and all the documentation is here.
That's not at all accurate.
Tengwar may look a little like Arabic because they both use the same style of calligraphy, but the resemblence ends there.
The only system that really resembles Tengwar analytically is the Korean.
I wouldn't be opposed to a simple amendment clarifying that the junk fax law in the US applies to Spam (it seems to me it does anyway, but I understand the courts are for some reason reticent to apply it.) But I fear, with good reason, that any legislation that is realistically going to be passed is going to be something very different. It will not only have the slippery slope type provisions you mention, and set a very bad precedent for the future in that respect, but it will also excempt lots of so-called 'legitimate' spammers, those that have enough money to buy a couple of legislators. At present, we can still do our best to minimise the effectiveness of those spammers, through filtering, blacklisting, etc. Yes, it's not perfect, but if you think it's bad now you just wait until they have a law saying that they're ok and you can't interfere with them.
I don't see any realistic chance of the US congress, or the legislatures in most other countries, passing any reasonable anti-spam law. I do see a very large chance of them passing the kind of monstrosity I outline above, however. So I'm damn sure not going to make it even more likely by calling for legislative action on it.
And you know this how?
Not that I doubt it's true, but a simple majority still leaves a lot of room for some very large minorities.
In my experience, the set of people that care about Elvish (a subset of those that actually know what the heck it is) includes pretty large minorities of Mac and *nix folks. Never said they were the majority, even in this class, but they're sure a much larger portion than in the population at large.
So I would have expected at least a mention of the existence of such, perhaps a couple of quick links to how-tos on using ttf fonts on Mac and *nix... *shrug*
How do you figure technical zealotry plays into it at all?
It was simply observed that the instructions were for use with Windows. I found that a bit odd myself, considering that the target audience is a bit small and includes a disproportionate number of people that don't use Windows.
Fortunately most of us are smart enough to get it working on our own boxes without the instructions, but that doesn't mean it isn't odd.
Other posters have already pointed out the bandwidth issues over and over, so I'll skip that obvious difference.
The fact is that not all problems are suitable to parallel processing. Sometimes you really need to know the outcome of one operation before you can go on to the next.
Beowulf clusters really suck on problems where that applies. Cray style supercomputers shine on them.
Notice the difference between that and what you posted before?
4f where you had 6f, for instance...
Technology alone isn't the answer.
Getting government involved won't help, however. You're going to kill the good and let the bad live going that road.
Spam can be stopped, with the current technology (with 10-15 year old technology, actually) with a little social and economic help.
Ask yourself, how do spammers make any money out of being pains in the ass?
Mostly by scamming their employers, of course. They tell regular small business folk they'll do 'legitimate marketing' and get them to pay for it before the results of that marketing, a swarm or pissed off people who want the poor folk to die and will certainly never buy from them, appear. Those sources won't last forever, people wise up after getting burned like that.
No, to have a stable source of income. The serious spammers are hooked up with contracts with BIG ISPs. Small ones won't work, because when we find out who they are we threaten them with the black hole and they fold quick.
But there are a handful of really huge providers that threat doesn't work on. It's just not realistic to blackhole someone that provides backbone service, someone that has so many legitimate users you do more harm than good when you cut them off. They know that, so if a spamhaus offers them a sizeable premium they feel safe hosting them. That is the big reason that current efforts like MAPS haven't practically eliminated spam already.
The key is to distribute the infrastructure. If there weren't any companies owning a large enough chunk of the infrastructure to fancy themselves immune to consequences, spammers would never be able to make a reliable profit and they would die out.
Troll.
That's an empty set.
I think you missed something. Where I wrote Suse I referred to Suse. The 'them' was SCO.
In other words Suse sued SCO in Germany, and made them shut up, in Germany. IIRC. Now that I think about it might not have been just Suse, I think linuxtag was involved? Anyway...
I think the frivolous crap he was referring to was the SCO v. IBM suit, which is indeed scheduled to go to court in about 5 years IIRC.
Not actually true. Since SCO has publically said they might sue people on these grounds, and that is adversely affecting RH business, I believe they do indeed have a ground for the suit there.
Hah, not quite. Try again.
Not really, because they were never in any danger to start with.
But psychologically it's bound to be a big help. That's what they're suing over, essentially... the psychological damage SCO is trying to do by flinging around wild accusations that they can't back up, but which scare the bejeezus out of the PHBs that buy Redhat.
Suse already got an injunction against them in Germany. German courts pretty much told them to shut the hell up unless they could back their allegations up, so they... shut the hell up. Not a peep out of them in Germany since.
I have to say this. I hate Red Hat. Not the people. The distribution. RPM. Their whole idiotic file layout. Their stupid configuration tools. I used it for awhile, and I really do hate it.
But I don't hate the people working for them - there are a lot of really good people there. And I don't hate the company. As a corporation, it does some pretty dumb things occasionally, sure. And the buzzwordspeak is annoying ('...continue to realize the significant value that our Red Hat Linux platform provides' - wtf are they trying to say and why don't they just say it?) but all companies, for some unintelligible reason, seem to do that. I was a bit peeved when they C&D'd linuxiso, I must admit, but that turned out to have been a simple mistake by some simpleton in the legal office and was quickly rectified.
In the end, even though their system disgusts me and I will never willingly use it again, they pay some damn fine hackers to work on damn fine Free software, and despite all the buzzwordspeak they do seem to know what they're talking about when they use the word community.
So RedHat is alright by me. They're not bad folks.
Ice went themeable due to user demand, of course. It originally was a light and fast win95 look-alike, and it's all still there, depending on the theme.
I've used it with both KDE and Gnome, it's quite easy to set up a good working environment with either using Ice as the WM, and it's noticeably faster and cleaner than using the POS that 'pure' KDE uses.
Not sure about KDE but with Gnome you can even set it up so that you can retheme the WM and the Gnome apps together, so that everything matches up nicely.
As I said in my original post further up the thread, I personally prefer WindowMaker. Using WindowMaker as the WM for Gnome is really far better in my opinion than the typical Gnome setup, it's faster, cleaner, and easier to use. You do have to do a little menu editing, not much else. If you want the desktop icon stuff you just have the file manager load with the WM. If you want the panels it's a one line entry and there you are. Personally I find them annoying and unecessary - the dock works great for persistent indicators, the clip works great for desktop management, and the regular WindowMaker interface is just fine for desktop management and task lists. Better than panels and start menus and taskbars any day, IMHOP.
The point is just that there are a lot more options available than people seem to give any credence too, and this fixation on full blown 'desktop environments' which seems to mean in practice 'windows clones' is counterproductive, I think. Why on earth, for instance, would you want a task bar and a start menu when there are so many more usable equivalents that don't take up screen space like that? With WindowMaker you just right click on the root window to bring up your applications menu. You can make it persistent, place it wherever you want, open a submenu and do the same with it, get rid of the main list but keep the submenu open or vice versa... it's much more flexible. Want a task list? Middle click on the root window. Again, you can make it persistent, relocate it wherever you want it, and close it completely if you don't need it. And it's always readable. That task bar sits there whether you need it or not, can be relocated but only to a limited set of options, and is often completely unreadable.
I understand there is a native client already. Never seen it though. Let me find a link.
Ah yes, here's the press release. A java client, ok not quite native. An alternative to the web interface though.
I'd look for evolution to start working with groupwise too though.
It's higher than 55%. But even if it weren't, that's still a majority, which means the original poster was right, most utahans are mormons.
And yes, the first post was 'a little goofy' that's why it's rated funny. Laugh. Hahah. You familiar with the concept?
I spent some of the best years of my life surrounded by mormons, I've had a lot of mormon friends, I've got nothing against mormons. Doesn't mean we can't occasionally joke about them. Fact is, most of the good mormon jokes I've heard were told to me by mormons. The best lawyer jokes always came from my aunt who is a lawyer, and the best jew jokes I know came from friends who are jewish. Humour is a pretty universal human trait. Although every group has a few that just don't get it, apparently.
I wouldn't be a bit surprised to see Gnome start working really well with Groupwise either.
Not that it's not working already, but it could be better.
I must strenuously disagree. I wouldn't say it was the best UI ever invented, but it's pretty straightforward and easy to learn and manipulate. I've seen much worse.
Exactly.