Not true. A withness of the 9 states said that leaving the programming interfaces there woule let the programmers use it, making it hard for competiters to get into the market.
So, speaking as a developer, you're not really interested in freeing me, you really want to control me. Screw you. You just lost my support. Utterly.
You do realize that mozilla for win32 also uses MS's API's? At least I'm presuming so, unless they re-implemented outlook, ms-help, and vs URL's on their own.
I try to keep reminding myself that slashdot does not represent the general population... then find out the states are even worse.
But anyway, it's done already. HTML viewing is separate from HTTP implementation -- they're two different DLL's. Disabling the icon is a checkbox in settings. In a company, it can be an automatic policy, that icon will never appear. It's not only not hard for MS, it's not hard for any OEM. The contract for not allowing the OEM to not disable the icon is a little funky until you realize that the shell is explorer, and this is internet explorer. It'd be like removing explorer as the shell. MS thrives on projecting an image of consistency (not that they succeed all that wildly, but the metaphors remain the same), and customization by the OEM makes the consumer think that Microsoft did it.
I'm posting this from mozilla on win32, which won me over on its own merits -- took it a while, but it didn't need to take down MS in the meantime. I still have that big bad blue 'e' on my desktop, but somehow it hasn't yet compelled me to click on it.
BTW, how do you suggest the user download a patch to make IE work when they don't have a means of getting it? Or is FTP good enough to satisfy the crippling?
Damn, I'm steamed. I think I'll change my sig to something pro-microsoft soon.
1: the power or act of seeing into a situation : PENETRATION 2: the act or result of apprehending the inner nature of things or of seeing intuitively synonym see DISCERNMENT
Jesus christ.
Anyway, gnus and vm for emacs have been doing vfolders for ages. Even uses the same term.
Finally, I consider Exchange to be Microsoft's best product
Oh my, no. SQL Server 2000 is awesome. Exchange has merely stopped falling over all the time, it still doesn't have the interoperability or flexibility that should be de rigeur for MTA's.
It may sound silly, but my favorite feature of Evolution that's not in Outlook (97 at least) is the discussion threaded e-mail view.
View -> Current View -> Group by Conversation.
Probably an Outlook2k thing (what I have). Outlook 97 is awful -- upgrade a little and you'll probably find you have less problems with scalability also (also depends a lot on your Exchange server, if that's slow, you're going to be slow).
: Linux desktops are multi-threaded properly so windows will never freeze with an app and the desktop won't freeze unless the destop app itself has a problem
Don't care to be a usage nazi, but Linux desktops tend to be in no way multithreaded. Just multi-process, in that the window manager runs separate from the rest of the GUI. This has its good and bad points, but in any case has zero relevance to the interaction of mail clients. You are using an ancient version of Outlook that doesn't multithread or do much of anything in the background. I could cast many aspersions on 5 year old versions of Linux as well...
"Sun goes through executives faster than french pastries at a Weighwatcher's convention."
Huh, a tired form of a joke that wanted to be said so the first company that came to mind was popped in. They still have the same CEO. Same chief scientist. Matter of fact, the top still looks a lot like it did just out of Stanford.
Don't let that stand in the way of being... funny?
I am not saying that Linux is worse, but I am sure that Solaris has some very davanced features
Indeed. The fact that ps doesn't take 95% CPU with 100 logged in users with thousands of processes gets kind of important on those sunray servers. NFS integrated with LDAP is also fairly nice.
Hey, most FTP clients don't implement third-party transfers, so they're really not FTP clients. My car is missing a starter, so it's really not a car. There's plenty of legitimate digs you can get off at Microsoft, but this one is just pathetic.
Technically speaking, IE is just a container, and all the work is done by a few DLL's. shdocvw.dll, mshtml.dll, and urlmon.dll, if I recall correctly. So I guess by that logic, IE doesn't really even exist
Apologies, I read down further and it is the samba suite as well. It's still quite useful, again for some of the reasons I mentioned, and another really simple one: your workstation can become a domain controller. Think small networks in a poor school or nonprofit where you don't have a spare box to throw on the network, at least not yet, but you still want to configure the clients for a domain. Samba to the rescue.
Your thoughts could be answered with a simple google search.
http://main.mswinxp.net/~lpackham/smbclient/
No, that is a samba client. The poster asked for samba. Why on earth would someone want a samba client only when they have net use and can then use it as a filesystem?
Of course, it requires Cygwin.
Which is enough to kill it for me. Compromise one cygwin app and you've compromised them all, and that doesn't even cover whether cygwin's own libs are secure. Thank the stateful-DLL-based design for that instead of it using real NT API objects like it should, because cygwin also has to run on win9x. Redhat doesn't even recommend running cygwin for anything secure, and why should they -- they have a vested interest in making sure cygwin never competes with redhat.
But, a drop in replacement for something that is proprietary to begin with and comes bundled with all windows version sounds kind of ridiculous, doesn't it.;)
Isn't the entire purpose of drop-in replacements to commoditize something proprietary? Plus, samba has scriptability and customizability that you'll never get with what comes with NT. I personally would love being able to send an alert to a particular account when x number of RPC requests to a flakey service start taking over y seconds to complete, so I can kick it before it falls over. Right now that would take a sniffer, since I don't see anything even resembling that in perfmon. With samba, I could just edit the source.
I don't know that it offers a value proposition enough to knock off perl's "good enough" (CPAN still has tons and tons more libs, dbish with DBD::ODBC is just the neatest thing in the world for a db developer), and the syntax certainly won't really sway the python crowd. I mean it's a good language, but I can't get mod_ruby binaries, last I looked couldn't get mod_ruby at all for win32 (yes, I use apache on win32, it's all about what I can fit on my laptop, and vmware causes too much thrashing on this pitiful thing).
Lack of a CPAN type tool is *still* the reason I haven't mainly switched to python BTW. Download sites like VoP aren't even in the same category.
The patch that prevents this has been out for over a year now. It's downloadable here. Microsoft included the patch with IE6 and IE5 SP2, so if you have either, you don't need it.
It might occur to you that if you do go knowingly making inflammatory analogies of the type that the public is sick to death of, that perhaps one might be led to maybe expect to get called on it? And that perhaps getting righteous over it doesn't really prove a thing?
Here's a simple example. While it might indeed be relatively better to not tell fag jokes in the castro district as opposed to most other places, your knowingly doing it anywhere doesn't make you any less repugnant, nor does it shift the onus upon your listeners to grow thicker skins.
But really, I guess I've just been trolled. Congratulations.
By gum, I sure do hope I didn't offend anyone! It would be so utterly un-politically correct to exaggerate a little in making a point.
No you cretin, it has more to do with the fact that the nazi comparison is
so
utterly
treadworn
That it has no coinage any more. Every god damned thing you don't agree with, well just shout "Nazi". The quips about other folks who got massacred had more to do with the idea that yes Virginia, there really are people who get systematically killed in this world who don't give two shits about software licensing.
Implement versions of GTK/QT that talk to the framebuffer directly
Been done. The version of QT that runs atop a framebuffer has been used for boot menus and installers. It looks like ass because its settings are conservative (blame VESA for being 16-bit real-mode garbage)
and run KDE/GNOME on top of that.
Good lord, even windows doesn't do that, it's just that GDI (usually) draws direct to the graphics context, which can go straight to the framebuffer, whereas X's shared memory implementation only uses it as a transport for messages, and still requires a context switch to actually process each message (and they're numerous).
I used to think X needed to die off too, but I realized that it's enough of a meta-protocol that it can pretty well replace itself with some superior extension, while X becomes simply a transport. X12 just needs to standardize on those extensions, cut out unused cruft, fix some basic problems (fonts are such a joke) and for god's sake, make it less painful to program for. My main complaint is that we will almost certainly never see X12. I'm not even sure it's on the drawing board.
"Job" is a single task you do, you may have many jobs in a day. Teachers have regular jobs, repair engineers have on-demand jobs. You have some valid points, but you are not only exaggerating, you are also comparing apples and oranges.
Architects, for example: I've never met an architect that wasn't a complete and utter control freak over their environment when doing design work. Let's assume your teacher is a professor doing research -- again, lots of environmental factors there, which is why writing professors tend to just go home to write. Half the professors I know won't even talk to students about coursework unless it's in their office, because that's their environment (not saying this is necessarily a good thing).
As for your "be grateful" crack, I don't feel lucky or blessed at all to work in tech. I deserve it because I studied and worked for it, and deserve the jobs themself because, well, I do them well. Not because I'm some indistinguishable professional doing work that couldn't be all that special because there's other professional fields in the world. I do my thing, they pay me, the end. No luck, no gratitude necessary. Yes, we're not the rulers of the modern world, but for god's sake, it's not a job that one has to bear with stoicism. because someone was good enough to smile upon us and give us our chances. One can demand a work style that fits their temprament if it helps them do the work well. It's no less than many other professionals demand and get.
Actual separation of church and state would mean that churches got no special rights, as well as getting no special penalties.
Sounds perfect. Why should churches get tax exemptions by mere virtue of them being a church? Let them apply for tax-exempt status as a charitable and educational non-profit organization like everyone else. The first amendment along with civil rights statutes would prohibit any discrimination because they also happened to be religious.
So you're too dim to turn off pop-ups on script errors and turn them into that little alert icon, so that constitutes malicious sabotage against IE users? Yes, there's errors. They either hand-hacked the code and broke it, or ended up checking the netscape compatibility box and not the IE one. Half the sites I visit have javascript errors. Does that mean there's some vast conspiracy?
And what the hell am I doing responding to some anonymous accuser anyway? (I may make it sound like I wrote the site -- I didn't) . And why the hell am I expecting any better from slashdot?
I'd rather have students learning why Napolean was sent trudging back through the snow than the date he headed back toward France.
Considering it's the theme of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture, it's not only easy to remember the date (admittedly just for that example), but it shows a reason why dates are important -- at the very least, the year. Germany ca 1929, Germany ca 1939, and Germany ca 1944 were very different places... If someone talks about France near the turn of the 15th century, the first thing that should probably come to your mind is England's occupation of France, and subsequent defeat a generation later at the hands of Joan of Arc. The time period is important if you correlate it with other events in the world at the time (not being an historian, nothing leaps to mind).
On tests where I've seen exact dates asked for, it's usually been multiple choice, like:
xxx. Napolean was defeated at the battle of Waterloo in which year? a) 1945 c) 1815 b) 1315
And well hell, those are really spread-out dates. It's not like it's rote memorization if you understand the surrounding events in any sense, which is precisely what's being tested.
I suggest you get your allegations straight -- It just fine under IE for me, Javascript and all. View source shows that the site was obviously developed with DreamWeaver, and there isn't a lick of IE-specific code in there. It's one thing to say that there's bugs in the site with IE, but when you talk about sabotage, you damn well better show some proof.
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Excuse me, but: what if your goal is to make something pretty?
What the hell is it about HTTP (aside from the name) that makes people think that it's only good for delivering HTML, and that every site must have information, information, information. Cripes do you demand information from art galleries? You might be a functional unit kind of person, but do you have a hundred identical black turtlenecks to choose from in your closet? (Oddly, Steve Jobs, mister style-is-king himself, does)...
It's just lazy intellectually to decry, bemoan, and otherwise wring your hands about the decline and fall of all that is right and correct at the hands of some devil tool. You have a choice, so exercise it, and stop telling everyone else what they should want.
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If Internet Explorer is so tightly integrated into Windows, how come you can upgrade it?
Same reason I can upgrade the kernel, device drivers, and libc? Heck, on most commercial unixen, I can do it without even rebooting.
Not true. A withness of the 9 states said that leaving the programming interfaces there woule let the programmers use it, making it hard for competiters to get into the market.
... then find out the states are even worse.
So, speaking as a developer, you're not really interested in freeing me, you really want to control me. Screw you. You just lost my support. Utterly.
You do realize that mozilla for win32 also uses MS's API's? At least I'm presuming so, unless they re-implemented outlook, ms-help, and vs URL's on their own.
I try to keep reminding myself that slashdot does not represent the general population
I think the bigger question is why should they?
But anyway, it's done already. HTML viewing is separate from HTTP implementation -- they're two different DLL's. Disabling the icon is a checkbox in settings. In a company, it can be an automatic policy, that icon will never appear. It's not only not hard for MS, it's not hard for any OEM. The contract for not allowing the OEM to not disable the icon is a little funky until you realize that the shell is explorer, and this is internet explorer. It'd be like removing explorer as the shell. MS thrives on projecting an image of consistency (not that they succeed all that wildly, but the metaphors remain the same), and customization by the OEM makes the consumer think that Microsoft did it.
I'm posting this from mozilla on win32, which won me over on its own merits -- took it a while, but it didn't need to take down MS in the meantime. I still have that big bad blue 'e' on my desktop, but somehow it hasn't yet compelled me to click on it.
BTW, how do you suggest the user download a patch to make IE work when they don't have a means of getting it? Or is FTP good enough to satisfy the crippling?
Damn, I'm steamed. I think I'll change my sig to something pro-microsoft soon.
Score 2, in-freakin-sightful?
: the power or act of seeing into a situation : PENETRATION : the act or result of apprehending the inner nature of things or of seeing intuitively
Main Entry: insight
Pronunciation: 'in-"sIt
Function: noun
Date: 13th century
1
2
synonym see DISCERNMENT
Jesus christ.
Anyway, gnus and vm for emacs have been doing vfolders for ages. Even uses the same term.
Finally, I consider Exchange to be Microsoft's best product
Oh my, no. SQL Server 2000 is awesome. Exchange has merely stopped falling over all the time, it still doesn't have the interoperability or flexibility that should be de rigeur for MTA's.
It may sound silly, but my favorite feature of Evolution that's not in Outlook (97 at least) is the discussion threaded e-mail view.
View -> Current View -> Group by Conversation.
Probably an Outlook2k thing (what I have). Outlook 97 is awful -- upgrade a little and you'll probably find you have less problems with scalability also (also depends a lot on your Exchange server, if that's slow, you're going to be slow).
: Linux desktops are multi-threaded properly so windows will never freeze with an app and the desktop won't freeze unless the destop app itself has a problem
Don't care to be a usage nazi, but Linux desktops tend to be in no way multithreaded. Just multi-process, in that the window manager runs separate from the rest of the GUI. This has its good and bad points, but in any case has zero relevance to the interaction of mail clients. You are using an ancient version of Outlook that doesn't multithread or do much of anything in the background. I could cast many aspersions on 5 year old versions of Linux as well...
"Sun goes through executives faster than french pastries at a Weighwatcher's convention."
... funny?
Huh, a tired form of a joke that wanted to be said so the first company that came to mind was popped in. They still have the same CEO. Same chief scientist. Matter of fact, the top still looks a lot like it did just out of Stanford.
Don't let that stand in the way of being
I am not saying that Linux is worse, but I am sure that Solaris has some very davanced features
Indeed. The fact that ps doesn't take 95% CPU with 100 logged in users with thousands of processes gets kind of important on those sunray servers. NFS integrated with LDAP is also fairly nice.
Hey, most FTP clients don't implement third-party transfers, so they're really not FTP clients. My car is missing a starter, so it's really not a car. There's plenty of legitimate digs you can get off at Microsoft, but this one is just pathetic.
Technically speaking, IE is just a container, and all the work is done by a few DLL's. shdocvw.dll, mshtml.dll, and urlmon.dll, if I recall correctly. So I guess by that logic, IE doesn't really even exist
Apologies, I read down further and it is the samba suite as well. It's still quite useful, again for some of the reasons I mentioned, and another really simple one: your workstation can become a domain controller. Think small networks in a poor school or nonprofit where you don't have a spare box to throw on the network, at least not yet, but you still want to configure the clients for a domain. Samba to the rescue.
Your thoughts could be answered with a simple google search.
;)
http://main.mswinxp.net/~lpackham/smbclient/
No, that is a samba client. The poster asked for samba. Why on earth would someone want a samba client only when they have net use and can then use it as a filesystem?
Of course, it requires Cygwin.
Which is enough to kill it for me. Compromise one cygwin app and you've compromised them all, and that doesn't even cover whether cygwin's own libs are secure. Thank the stateful-DLL-based design for that instead of it using real NT API objects like it should, because cygwin also has to run on win9x. Redhat doesn't even recommend running cygwin for anything secure, and why should they -- they have a vested interest in making sure cygwin never competes with redhat.
But, a drop in replacement for something that is proprietary to begin with and comes bundled with all windows version sounds kind of ridiculous, doesn't it.
Isn't the entire purpose of drop-in replacements to commoditize something proprietary? Plus, samba has scriptability and customizability that you'll never get with what comes with NT. I personally would love being able to send an alert to a particular account when x number of RPC requests to a flakey service start taking over y seconds to complete, so I can kick it before it falls over. Right now that would take a sniffer, since I don't see anything even resembling that in perfmon. With samba, I could just edit the source.
I don't know that it offers a value proposition enough to knock off perl's "good enough" (CPAN still has tons and tons more libs, dbish with DBD::ODBC is just the neatest thing in the world for a db developer), and the syntax certainly won't really sway the python crowd. I mean it's a good language, but I can't get mod_ruby binaries, last I looked couldn't get mod_ruby at all for win32 (yes, I use apache on win32, it's all about what I can fit on my laptop, and vmware causes too much thrashing on this pitiful thing).
Lack of a CPAN type tool is *still* the reason I haven't mainly switched to python BTW. Download sites like VoP aren't even in the same category.
The patch that prevents this has been out for over a year now. It's downloadable here. Microsoft included the patch with IE6 and IE5 SP2, so if you have either, you don't need it.
Good dose of blame goes all around here.
It might occur to you that if you do go knowingly making inflammatory analogies of the type that the public is sick to death of, that perhaps one might be led to maybe expect to get called on it? And that perhaps getting righteous over it doesn't really prove a thing?
Here's a simple example. While it might indeed be relatively better to not tell fag jokes in the castro district as opposed to most other places, your knowingly doing it anywhere doesn't make you any less repugnant, nor does it shift the onus upon your listeners to grow thicker skins.
But really, I guess I've just been trolled. Congratulations.
By gum, I sure do hope I didn't offend anyone! It would be so utterly un-politically correct to exaggerate a little in making a point.
No you cretin, it has more to do with the fact that the nazi comparison is
so
utterly
treadworn
That it has no coinage any more. Every god damned thing you don't agree with, well just shout "Nazi". The quips about other folks who got massacred had more to do with the idea that yes Virginia, there really are people who get systematically killed in this world who don't give two shits about software licensing.
Get some perspective. Jesus.
If the Gestappo comes by asking if you've seen any Jews, do you ask them to explain what Naziism is all about?
Godwin's Law. Discussion over. Ask a Bosnian Muslim how he feels about your comparison. Or a Hutu.
Implement versions of GTK/QT that talk to the framebuffer directly
Been done. The version of QT that runs atop a framebuffer has been used for boot menus and installers. It looks like ass because its settings are conservative (blame VESA for being 16-bit real-mode garbage)
and run KDE/GNOME on top of that.
Good lord, even windows doesn't do that, it's just that GDI (usually) draws direct to the graphics context, which can go straight to the framebuffer, whereas X's shared memory implementation only uses it as a transport for messages, and still requires a context switch to actually process each message (and they're numerous).
I used to think X needed to die off too, but I realized that it's enough of a meta-protocol that it can pretty well replace itself with some superior extension, while X becomes simply a transport. X12 just needs to standardize on those extensions, cut out unused cruft, fix some basic problems (fonts are such a joke) and for god's sake, make it less painful to program for. My main complaint is that we will almost certainly never see X12. I'm not even sure it's on the drawing board.
"Job" is a single task you do, you may have many jobs in a day. Teachers have regular jobs, repair engineers have on-demand jobs. You have some valid points, but you are not only exaggerating, you are also comparing apples and oranges.
Architects, for example: I've never met an architect that wasn't a complete and utter control freak over their environment when doing design work. Let's assume your teacher is a professor doing research -- again, lots of environmental factors there, which is why writing professors tend to just go home to write. Half the professors I know won't even talk to students about coursework unless it's in their office, because that's their environment (not saying this is necessarily a good thing).
As for your "be grateful" crack, I don't feel lucky or blessed at all to work in tech. I deserve it because I studied and worked for it, and deserve the jobs themself because, well, I do them well. Not because I'm some indistinguishable professional doing work that couldn't be all that special because there's other professional fields in the world. I do my thing, they pay me, the end. No luck, no gratitude necessary. Yes, we're not the rulers of the modern world, but for god's sake, it's not a job that one has to bear with stoicism. because someone was good enough to smile upon us and give us our chances. One can demand a work style that fits their temprament if it helps them do the work well. It's no less than many other professionals demand and get.
Actual separation of church and state would mean that churches got no special rights, as well as getting no special penalties.
Sounds perfect. Why should churches get tax exemptions by mere virtue of them being a church? Let them apply for tax-exempt status as a charitable and educational non-profit organization like everyone else. The first amendment along with civil rights statutes would prohibit any discrimination because they also happened to be religious.
> Heh. No, you're missing my point. Slashdot is supposed to be an informal source for news.
As opposed to, say, an accurate source for news?
So you're too dim to turn off pop-ups on script errors and turn them into that little alert icon, so that constitutes malicious sabotage against IE users? Yes, there's errors. They either hand-hacked the code and broke it, or ended up checking the netscape compatibility box and not the IE one. Half the sites I visit have javascript errors. Does that mean there's some vast conspiracy?
And what the hell am I doing responding to some anonymous accuser anyway? (I may make it sound like I wrote the site -- I didn't) . And why the hell am I expecting any better from slashdot?
I'd rather have students learning why Napolean was sent trudging back through the snow than the date he headed back toward France.
Considering it's the theme of Tchaikovsky's 1812 Overture, it's not only easy to remember the date (admittedly just for that example), but it shows a reason why dates are important -- at the very least, the year. Germany ca 1929, Germany ca 1939, and Germany ca 1944 were very different places... If someone talks about France near the turn of the 15th century, the first thing that should probably come to your mind is England's occupation of France, and subsequent defeat a generation later at the hands of Joan of Arc. The time period is important if you correlate it with other events in the world at the time (not being an historian, nothing leaps to mind).
On tests where I've seen exact dates asked for, it's usually been multiple choice, like:
xxx. Napolean was defeated at the battle of Waterloo in which year?
a) 1945
c) 1815
b) 1315
And well hell, those are really spread-out dates. It's not like it's rote memorization if you understand the surrounding events in any sense, which is precisely what's being tested.
I suggest you get your allegations straight -- It just fine under IE for me, Javascript and all. View source shows that the site was obviously developed with DreamWeaver, and there isn't a lick of IE-specific code in there. It's one thing to say that there's bugs in the site with IE, but when you talk about sabotage, you damn well better show some proof.
Excuse me, but: what if your goal is to make something pretty?
What the hell is it about HTTP (aside from the name) that makes people think that it's only good for delivering HTML, and that every site must have information, information, information. Cripes do you demand information from art galleries? You might be a functional unit kind of person, but do you have a hundred identical black turtlenecks to choose from in your closet? (Oddly, Steve Jobs, mister style-is-king himself, does)...
It's just lazy intellectually to decry, bemoan, and otherwise wring your hands about the decline and fall of all that is right and correct at the hands of some devil tool. You have a choice, so exercise it, and stop telling everyone else what they should want.
find, findstr, tab complete in cmd... bah.
/dev/clipboard
just use bash
Funny thing is, it supports more windows features than cmd.exe does. Like file forks. and