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Perlbox: A Unix Desktop Written in Perl
cascadefx writes "It appears that this programmer has created an Open Sourced Unix Desktop, PerlBox, written in Perl and Tk. I found this posted in response to an article on Perl Monks asking if Perl was obsessed with CGI?. Apparently not. Check it out, it looks pretty interesting." I wonder how fast it runs?
And it's really fast and powerful.
But one bad character in the code and all your files are toast.
I wonder how fast it runs?
About
this
fast
.
I'd be very curious as to how fast that desktop ran, as well. Don't Perl scripts get compiled every time they are run?
Anything else would have looked better. Tk just doesn't have that polished look that everyone knows and loves.
Dammit!!! I would have had first post if it wasn't for this perlbox desktop. ;)
I wish that PERL had a GUI abstraction layer, similar to DBI for databases. Perl would kick Java's ass as a cross-platform app development language if it did.
:)
Maybe it does and I am just ignorant
I know this is a troll, but you're correct in that it's actually quite viable. Check out ROX-filer, an excellent file manager (also on the site is ROX-session for session management, and a load of tools to use with it, all in Python). ROX-Filer is an excellent example of how to use Python to create a desktop environment.
slashdot!=valid HTML
this must be the hardest to maintain code in the universe
Or is that just me?
I get constant "object missing" and syntax errors.
It's loaded with JavaScript. Does anyone else have this problem?
Maybe this guy should have done the tricky stuff with severside perl, eh?
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
#!/usr/bin/perl
use MOD::Desktop;
for()
{
desktop_app;
}
Read my old comment to Subterfuge with Subterfugue story: Re:Perl in the Linux kernel? There's some info about other parts of the operating system written in Perl: Perl /bin tools, Perl shell and even Perl kernel.
I couldn't find a working link to Perl filesystem
(PerlFS by Claudio Calvelli?),
so if anyone knows it, please post it.
~shiny
WILL HACK FOR $$$
more open source projects could easily benefit from a funding model like this. There seems to be research money floating around universities (mine included) that could easily go to open source projects; it just may not be the project you want to work on, but hey, getting paid isn't so bad.
If you like stuff like PerlBox, you might also want to check out ROX-filer while you're at it. ROX-Filer an excellent file manager written in Python, and also offers a session manager, a wallpaper utility, a clock, etc, all written in Python. I'd recommend checking both PerlBox and ROX-Filer out.
slashdot!=valid HTML
Because we can?
I'd like to see distributing timesharing, so that all these people with *way* too much time on their hands could donate some to us people with sensible projects to complete but not enough time.
It's actually (almost) compiled each run, instead of being raw interpreted. In the camel book it describes it in detail, but briefly it parses it to bytecode, optimizes it, then executes it (any evals will re-do the process mid program, ect).
Non-proc consuming optimizations are done each time also. Perl6 is supposed to allow it to be permanently compiled to a bytecode with extensive optimizations much easier. Currently the methods of creating a pre-bytecoded perl script is (almost) a black magic.
You need mod_perlbox.
3 21&ycord=567
That way you can access your desktop through lynx at a speed increase of 800%. Just format your urls like this:
http://localhost/desktop/?action=leftclick&xcord=
mod this post down so that it can pay for the sins of the numerous "perl is slow" posts that are inevitably going to come.
Site's already /. ed
Images here... I really wanted to check this out.
"Academicians are more likely to share each other's toothbrush than each other's nomenclature."
Cohen
Because this is a perl script I wonder how easy it would be to modify this to work over the web. Somehow put it in a cgi folder and then remotly access your desktop from anywhere. Because the perl will run the same speed no matter where it is the only limiting factor in such a thing would be the connection speed. If someone was running this over a private home network 100Mbps or so I'd imagine that it would be a very usable speed. I don't know the actual ratio between the speed of the connection and the perl speed, but it is very feasable that this could work over a cable connection also. Maybe an alternative to X?
ahh, the egg in the basket..
runs as fast as KDE or Gnome!
why develop yet another UNIX-a-like, we had BSD?!
I think he was actually saying he was replying to a troll, not trolling himself. The link is actually informing.
Microsoft - Where would you like to go today, Maybe Jail?
Go program something new.
Like a desktop written in Perl?
Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. --E. W. Dijkstra
now I gotta turn javascript off to view the site...
then back on to do my job.
>sigh
Screw you all! I'm off to the pub
No, I think it is schandenfreude misspelt in that typically cute script kiddie way.
Microsoft - Where would you like to go today, Maybe Jail?
Modules to play with and more info about it:
~shiny
WILL HACK FOR $$$
This isn't too far off the mark; it is actually a good suggestion - at least python attempts to be more useable by others.
Perl has rightfully been called a write only language, and hopefully L. Wall will clean it up a bit in Perl 6, and make it so that things can proceed with the most logical path in mind, not whatever you feel like doing.
Perl is over hyped, people look for excuses to use it. This "project," in my estimation, is not a serious project, and those perpetrating it on the world should apply themselves in more useful ways, maybe as a kernel hacker or a performance tuner, but this to me, especially with so many more mature, well thought out and viable alternatives available, is just a waste of time and energy.
This gets announced, but GlibC 2.2.5 when it came out was not announced. Slashdot has become shit.
anyone know if there are any debian packages?
...too lazy to compile the source
my blog
Yeah, his JavaScript sucks, lets hope he is better at programming Perl than JavaScript :-)
http://216.239.35.100/search?sourceid=navclient&q= cache:http%3A%2F%2Fwww.perlbox.org%2Fscreenshots.s html
/.ed
here's the images page, the page is already bogged down.
Chicago2600.net more than a lifestyle, its a survival trait.
I wonder how fast it runs?
Well, run it and find out.
Well, she got the Perl desktop she wanted
...now she just needs a Perl necklace...
(yeah, interpret THAT!)
Beer, now there's a temporary solution -- Homer Jay S.
gosh, i'm tired of hearing this.
if you develop some actual coding discipline, you can write very maintanable code in perl. use generous ammounts of whitespace, develop style rules for yourself and stick to them religiously, use descriptive full word variable names, separate compound statements into easier to understand (and easier to insert stuff between) smaller ones and of course take advantage of perl's '-w' and 'use strict' features. and if you think something still isn't clear, then for pete's sake comment it! don't blame poor coding practices on the language itself. you can just as easily write nasty unreadable code in c.
yeah - it's javascript error-tastic! doesn't give me much confidence in the desktop if he can't do a simple javascript rollover!!!!
At work my Perl code is more readable than the C++ code of most C++ coders there.
Just comment, indent, etc.
As rizzo5 said - use strict and -w, it'll make everything easier.
Of course Perl can get really obfuscated, but have you ever seen obfuscated C???
Anyway, we were talking about a Perl desktop a few days ago at work, and I wish all the best to this project (though, I prefer wxPerl over TK).
-- PG2
I'm a BSD luser (but hopefully not for long), does it run on my box?
has anyone tried the voice recognition feature?
:-)
i just can't wait for the day to ask: "computer... open slashdot"
The only thing really holding me back from using this in my current project (front end management console for the build and test scripts used to QA $AntiVirus_app) in XUL is the lack of a nice drag and drop formbuilder. There's a project to build one - XULMaker - but it seems to be making pretty slow progress and be short of people working on it. Anyway, what I was wondering was, where's the Perl bindings? Being able to say :
...
;)
my $g = XUL->new();
$g->set_window(
title=> 'Hello world',
geometry => ([500, 200]),
)
...and so on would be verrrrry cool. And then we could ALL build our own window managers, using Perl. And this post would be on-topic
"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free." -- Goethe
http://bogr46qdy22tc.bc.hsia.telus.net:9000/perlbo x.jpg
Seems to work okay.
Recently, I had a conversation on IRC with a fellow London Perl Monger. He was saying that he wanted to improve his perl programming ability, but found much of the discussion on london.pm over his head, and most Perl books too easy.
I asked him if he had tried Perlmonks; he replied that he found the monks too CGI and web script centred - which surprised me.
However, looking at SoPW, there is a predominance of CGI questions and issues. I wonder whether this is a reflection of the Perl community as a whole - what percentage of Perl hackers are using the language (just) for web hosting?
I also recall the damage that has been done to the language's reputation by the likes of MSA and its descendents, and I know that many honourable monks are out there trying to fix it and spread the word (see Not Matt's Scripts).
However, there are many other topics of interest to me, am glad to see postings on the following subjects and I will probably ++ a node just on account of its subject.
Design patterns in perl
The future of the language: P6/Parrot, P5.xx, Rindolf, Ruby convergence
Pure dynamic perl - a la Smalltalk
Enterprise architectures: P2EE, Soap
Natural language parsing
Automated install / configuration management: CPANPLUS, PPM, cvs integration
Is it just me, or are there others out there who would like to see Perl being used in a more widespread fashion, not just by web script jockeys?
This sure wont make me trust this thing any further.
Btw, its not much more than a nice proove of concept. I dont see much use in this. Perl is a nice language but there are more elegant ways to do this. And since i love the blackbox windowmanager for its speed and slim design i sure wont blow it up by integrating a Perl/Tk Interface...i dont see the point...
cu,
Lispy
Does this mean perl is now trying to compete with Emacs? This could get ugly...
Ruby vs Python vs Perl running Perlbox vs Emacs running everything vs Linux running KDE vs BSD running Gnome vs Windows vs Solaris running Emacs vs OSX running Virtual PC running Activestate Perl running Perlbox...
I think we need big a flow chart for this one.
"I may not have morals, but I have standards."
I understood what it does.
It appears that this programmer has created an Open Sourced Unix Desktop, GNOME, written in C. I found this posted in response to an article on C Monks asking if C was obsessed with device drivers? Apparently not. Check it out, it looks pretty interesting. I wonder how fast it runs?
Karma: Good (despite my invention of the Karma: sig)
> if you develop some actual coding discipline, you can write very maintanable code in perl.
The problem with Perl is that from the very first moment it was pushed as the "there's more than one way to do it" language, and that's *WRONG* (very big IMNSHO here, of course) because it leads to confusion.
You could easily write mantainable code in Perl, but what about other coders? Could you take a job that requires Perl code (written by others) maintenance and be sure that you won't have problems?
Ok, I agree about other languages obfuscation (say C and C++), but if it was for me I'd choose a more self documenting language. In the "scripting" arena today I really like Ruby: powerful as Perl and Python, but much easier to learn (and read!).
> came out was not announced. Slashdot has become
> shit.
Grossly offtopic, agreed, but why would you expect a minor glibc update (which is only really of worth to distro packagers) to have a big announcement? There's not a lot to be said about it. Then again, maybe there is. I had to statically link a small text-based tool with glibc the other day. The binary (stripped) came to 380k. Finding this to be a tad weighty, I booted up FreeBSD and statically linked it to their libc. Result? 18k stripped binary.
I've seen Linus et al. make comments about Glibc's bloat before, and now I'm starting to wonder. Is this as bad as it looks? I'm aware of small substitute projects like dietlibc, and I know Glibc has a lot of features, but how far will it go?
Not a troll; offtopic; mod down; ah well; whatever. :)
Otherwise we would all know your exact IP address, and be able to log in to your box!
--but I'm crafty, so I'm just pinging each of the IPs within your subnet.... ooh! I'm getting a hit!
What animal will they pick? Sloth perhaps?
[Perl runs just about everything application I use to automate my life. From getting recipes out of my recipe database to getting the weather. I love it, even though I joke about it's speed]
Live web cams
For those of you who can't get to the screenshots because of those annoying javascript errors: http://perlbox.org/screenshots.shtml
[alk]
Perl is not a purely interpreted language, like shell-scripting or older versions of Tcl. It runs in two phases: compilation to a internal representation, and execution.
This is one of the reasons why mod_perl is so much faster than standalone Perl CGI scripts: with mod_perl, the script is loaded and compiled once, and subsequent calls to the mod_perl script only require execution, not recompilation.
Doesn't use strict or warnings and the function was exported without asking for permission...
hell yes! i am the tech lead on a perl project which hit 100K lines of code and doesn't look like stopping anywhere before 150K. the design is *very heavily* OO (one could directly translate the object model into java no sweat) and follows the MVC paradigm to the letter (there is only a single 100 line script which drives everything).
perl can be every bit as maintainable as any other language *as long as* one is/enforces discipline. i think at times perl can be more maintainable than, say, java, simply though its expressiveness and brevity. i mean, java can be so frickin verbose sometimes...
which leads me to the conclusion that people who truly think that perl is inherently unmaintainable must be crap programmers.
I'm waiting for LainOS to take off. While I suspect that these folks have bitten off more than they can chew, if it works, it will be awesome. Basically, they're modifying FreeBSD 4.5 to resemble the computers in Serial Experiments: Lain. They're planning to have built-in voice recognition.
Steve
It appears that this programmer has created an Open Sourced Unix Desktop, KDE, written in C++. I found this posted in response to an article on C++ Monks asking if C++ was obsessed with entry level programming courses? Apparently not. Check it out, it looks pretty interesting. I wonder how fast it runs?
Why bother.
people who truly think that perl is inherently unmaintainable must be crap programmers.
I have to agree. Just yesterday someone showed me the code for a client/server program he wrote in perl. Spaced nicely with LOTS of comments, the server code was only three pages printed, and the client was less than two.
I dare someone to try that in C
I swear I read someplace about how to make a Perl binary. It involved getting your Perl app to dump core and then using the core as your binary.
Well, I hate to admit it, but I am an avid Internet Explorer user. Not because I love Microsoft, but because the browser is just better than Netscape 4.7x. Anyway, these PerlBox guys have rigger their site to be nice to Netscape and Mozilla, but not IE. So be warned if you have JavaScript on. Kinda funny in a way... getting the IE users back for all the web designers that don't give a crap about Netscape.
JOhn
Campaign for Liberty
perl -MMOD::Desktop -e 'desktop_app() while 1'
use constant PERL_IS_BROKEN => $] >= 5.006;
You must be using IE. I didn't see any problems in Netscape 6.2, but when I switched to IE 6, I saw the bugs
Hasn't anyone had the perl style guide dropped on their desk the first day they started doing perl for a company? That and a few commandments from my old boss worked wonders:
Thou shalt use strict
Thou shalt use -w
Thy subs shall fit in one page.
Thy programs shall produce output from pod2txt
Subs used in more than one program shalt be included in a module.
That and when i was writing most of my code I was also teaching one of the Jr. Admins Perl so my code was commented ad naseum (I really think that my scripts were 50% or more of just comments.)
It made me feel all warm and fuzzy when my acolyte e-mailed me a year after I'd left and told me that the Sr. SA had taken one of my scripts and converted it to a module in 1/2 a day to extend one of their applications.
What if it is just turtles all the way down?
I am using Mozilla and their web site looks like crap in it too. Meaning, It isn't rendering correctly. So, don't say they're biased. :)
C, the write-only language.
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Should I have provided a link to the screen shot of the million JS error messages that popped up? Where would you like me to host this image since Slashdot doesn't post images? Do you prefer PNG, GIF, JPEG, or BMP?
Nuff said.
LOL, I was just thinking the same thing! :)
Something really funky is going on. I type in www.perlbox.org, and the page that loads up is www.camelotnaturals.com
What the hell?
If tits were wings it'd be flying around.
Anyone notice that you get redirected to camelotnaturals.com when trying to access the perlbox site? WTF?
-Toaster
WTF?
I went to view the site and I get www.camelotnaturals.com.
Did someone grab the domain? Router tables screwed? What gives? Hmmm, maybe the problem is on our end.
Magius_AR
Hmm following the link on perlbox ...
" Camelot Naturals is an alternative shopping experience, offering you products that will enhance your life in simple, but distinct ways. Our goal is to nourish the body/mind/spirit connection by offering:
*
Natural body and bath products
*
Candles made with soy-based wax, safer for home and family
*
Gift packages that combine our products in pleasing and special ways "
Why the heck do you care how it works or how fast is it when it smells good ;-)
The perl camels, in apparent frustration and perplexity at their failure to produce a decent geek desktop application, have announced today a new line of business manufacturing bath and body products, and soy wax candles.
In accordance with this change, visitors to PerlBox.org are now automatically redirected to CamelotNaturals.com , complete with a product catalog and ordering information.
Am I a hipster-doofus?
209.217.42.41 belongs to both PerlBox.org and camelotnaturals.com!
OOPS~
Athens.hostgo.com has a problem.
I bet camelotnaturals.com thinks they are pretty fly for getting all new the traffic.
Hm. it seems that the link to PerlBox.org gets shafted over to camelotnaturals.com ... <sigh>
When politicians are involved, everyone loses.
perlbox.org is now redirecting to "www.camelotnaturals.com" for me. Is anyone else having this problem?
Are you saying that there is only *one true way* to do things in C? How about C++? Java? ... ...but it's the same in any other language!
I think you're complaining that Perl is inherently obfuscated, when it's just compact. I think maintainability has more to do with the programmer style that wrote the code
Could you take a job that requires Perl code (written by others) maintenance and be sure that you won't have problems?
For my current project, I code in perl pretty much all day (and get paid for it)... and it was written by someone else. It's not easy, but Perl is the best language to do the job (due to extreme text processing requirements).
Make sure everyone's vote counts: Verified Voting
I get forwarded to http://www.camelotnaturals.com/ when I try to visit perlbox.org... it's not that I have anything against taking a bath, but I was expecting to reach a bath products page!
Python is the scripting language for ROX apps - there's even a video player (using SDL) but ROX Filer itself is written in C.
It's real nice but ATPM if you run the development version with gtk >= 2.0.1 icons look a bit jagged, not too sure why..
Michel
Michel
Fedora Project Contribut
For some reason I'm ending up at www.camelotnaturals.com when I try to go to www.perlbox.org. I tried to do a nslookup of both and I get the same IP address. Does anybody know what the real IP address of www.perlbox.org is?
TIA
(dazed and confused behind two layers of Microsoft Proxy Server...)
Since I haven't seen the original, nor had the opportunity to download anything, can I assume the folks at perlbox.org did this JUST so they could get free advertising for camelotnaturals.com? Seems like typical marketing BS to me...
"The first time I got drunk, I got married. The second time I bought a chimpanzee, after that I stayed sober" Arian Seid
And I can say from experience that it works incredibly well. I've compiled a script which used 20,000 lines of code amongst the various modules I'd built, not including Perl/Tk and the many other CPAN modules I used, and out popped a nice binary which worked just as if run from Perl.
I develop on Linux, but I can use it to generate binaries for Windows users. It opens up a whole new audience for me. I develop quickly on the platform I am efficient on, and all the Windows users know is that they get something with a nice GUI that works as advertised and which was developed in half the time.
Needless to say, I recommend it highly.
-- My choice of computing platform is a symbol of my individuality and belief in personal freedom.
Sourceforge also hosts this project
Whoo Hoo! I want to buy some bath and beauty products.. er, I mean, I wanted to see some nifty perl desktop. Instead, I think I see an elaborate spam scheme using innocent slashdot users. Very imaginative, I'll give the perpetrator that.
I don't think it's made up...the site did exist...check out the Google cache of perlbox.org if you need proof. I think it's more likely that someone's screwed up their DNS settings somewhere...especially since there's a splash screen for the site at perlbox.sourceforge.net and that one also eventually takes you to the camelot naturals page.
Are they running ads, or did Camelot Naturals hijack their site ?
Welcome to Camelot, home of truly natural, simple-but-luxurious, bath and body products and soy wax candles. For those concerned with chemical sensitivity, allergies, the environment, or just improving their skin care, we offer our product lines as proof that simple and natural are better. Did DNS fail or something?
I didn't think the house band in Hell would play this badly.
and nobody notices. :)
to camelot naturals!?!?
oh well, i'll look later.
Way to copy that from the IOCC page.
. .
is it only me, but when I clicked through to the frontpage link PerlBox.org I'm getting redirected to http://www.camelotnaturals.com/ a site selling herbal bath salts????
seriously, mod me down if I'm wrong (I can take it :) but this is silly, has someone effectively spammed the front page?
Can someone else check?
Could someone have switched on a redirect after the editors posted the story, for profit? Did the editors check?
Somehow I've checked this now 6 times, and I still have a problem with disbelief . . .
In this way, I suppose, Perl 6 will be kinda sorta like Java in that it will target a VM, rather than a CPU. The Parrot VM is not exclusive to Perl - from what I understand, idea is that eventually Python and Perl will share a common VM. It's conceivable, I suppose, that some sick bastard could write a Java compiler that targets Parrot.
Parrot isn't finished yet, but there are a few "toy" languages that target it (Jako and Cola, and more recently BASIC).
In spite of the suggestions and all the tests that I have made, I have not cavato a spider from the hole.
a Beowulf cluster of these....
Reason 1: YKINMK(="Your Kink Is Not My Kink", old Usenet acronym.)
Define sensible. What's sensible to you is a complete waste of irrelevant time to others.
Reason 2: Because it's an interesting intellectual exercise. People can learn by trying to do somewhat silly or unreasonable things, either about the limits of the technology being used, or how they use the tools at hand.
Why not ask your dad to quit doing crossword puzzles and your mom to quit watching television in their leisure time and help you out?
Or more seriously, come out from your anonymous cowardice and let us know what you're trying to do you think is worthwhile. People might agree with you.
Just for reference...
X11 window manager written in Python:
PLWM
X11 client-side implementation written in Python:
Python X Library
That made you feel "warm and fuzzy"? You should have written it as a module in the first place! Then you wouldn't have wasted half a day of the senior systems administrator's time.
Kewl, that redirect site is slashdotted, that will teach them messing with our 1337 DDoS-powers! pfah!
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haha
I just read the post and ran right away to fetch the current release of perlbox and Tk. In the past hour ive learned how it works (in a basic sense) and already started manipulating the voice command system. I was surprised at the smallness of the code in comparison to the overall look; when i ran it i thought it was a real window manager :) The TODO file states quite eloquently "alot." It appears as if he's going to be implementing a small custom POP3 client to tie in, so you could say "computer, check mail" and it would check if you have any new mails and possibly display them. Actually it looks like he's already got one in mind, just doesn't seem to be implemented.
I like the way it speaks to me (quite literally, there are wave files of a woman speaking) when i use a part of the system. It does need more commands, though, which is what i intend to develop on first; i'm going to add voice commands for simple mail checking (open mozilla or whatever in mail mode), configuring a kernel, compiling a kernel, opening more programs such as ftp clients, the ability to sign on/off of things like GAIM using basic or advanced methods (basic would be system() and kill(), advanced would be making a GAIM plugin to handle voice commands and respond with an action), and alot more. Plus i'm gonna add some custom install scripts that will load perlbox with an additional window-managing thingy like sawfish or window maker. What sucks about it is there's no way to switch around windows or even view the ones open without something like window maker (unless i missed some docs). Ooh ooh and i'm gonna add text-to-speech so perlbox can read back to you things, as well as user authentication via voice recognition. As soon as i've got something relatively stable i'm going to ask the original developer(s) of perlbox for permission to put it on freshmeat or have them provide it as a patch, or something. Should be avaliable soon.
In fact, it was so great that use CPAN::Everything must have let all the smoke out of the Cobalt they h4x0r3d to host their site on. When I go there all I get is html, body, /body, and /html. Thats great.
Did you see the perl DeCSS decoder? (no, it's not a set up for bad joke) The thing ran about 10% slower than straight C.
It works fine if you just use the latter node_id parameter, as here
It would be nice to see more links to PerlMonks, and Perl articles in general. As far as I know CPAN is probably the biggest group of modules built by a single programming community which actively mixes and matches them. While there isn't one brain to it, PM is the best place I think to talk about them. Thanx
mattr
This was not intentional! We just never got around to doing much testing on IE! All the problems are fixed, and the site is relocated: Sorry for the inconvenience, we were hijacked! We are now temporarily at:
http://www.wru.umt.edu/~scmason/pbox
"I am a patient boy. I wait I wait I wait. My time is water down the drain..." Fugazi
I am not sure if you knew this, but a primary purpose of perlbox was to study and attempt to quantify various aspects of the open source development model. If we can understand more about the development-release cycle of open source applications, we can begin to fine tune certain aspects of the model. Proprietary models have had millions of dollars and thousands of hours put into their development and refinement. The sinple fact is that open source software is not taken seriously by many because they do not understand how it work, non withstanding the fact that it just does. For some that is not good enough. I am in a position here to help explain misunderstood concepts and I think that that is a perfect use of my time. Besides, perlbox talks to you, that's just cool. scmason Our website was offline!
Sorry for the inconvenience, we were hijacked! We are now temporarily at:
http://www.wru.umt.edu/~scmason/pbox
"I am a patient boy. I wait I wait I wait. My time is water down the drain..." Fugazi
once again showing that with Perl, you can do anything... and probably shouldn't.
wget -r gave me empty index.html anyone was able to actually see perlbox.org ?