I see no inconsistency with the sigs. X has taught us a lot of lessons of how and how not to do things. Claiming that X is good enough now because it has been before is failing to learn from its history.
Think about it this way: I have gtk on my machine. I'm using a gtk app on the remote machine. Why in hell should it have to blit every widget over as if I had a dumb terminal? That's just one of the problems with X..
You have some valid points, but you don't see the ability to post anonymously being taken away, do you? Yes, there are AC's who make perfectly good insightful posts, there are AC's who can't post under a real account for whatever reason, and so on.
But the majority of AC posts I read are simply crap. I've stopped metamoderating because I'm sick of reading posts about "towelheads" and "sand niggers". I browse at score 2 now, because if I didn't, I probably wouldn't read slashdot at all. I'm not going to tar all anonymous posters with the same brush, but hey, life just isn't fair sometimes, I don't owe anyone here my attention.
> Now go ahead and mod me down for "trolling".
Can we get a "-1 whine" for this incessant "I'm going to get modded down" nonsense? Grow a freaking backbone and burn some karma to express the occasional unpopular opinion without all this whining about it.
If everyone shorts MS at once, that'll drive their stock price way up at the time of the buy, and you get your option called real quick. You conspire to drive it down so you can profit off the fall and that's stock manipulation... if you're not barred from trading altogether, the lawsuits alone will bankrupt you.
Ever thought of making money honestly?
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It's really amazing how much Microsoft astroturfiing has been showing up on Slashdot lately, such as your post, for example. Does Bill pay you overtime for posting garbage to Slashdot in the middle of the night?
You're so cute when your eyebrow twitches like that.
And you didn't apparently have ad-hominem attacks at hand for the other transgressions mentioned. Perhaps Bill should dock your astroturf bonus.
I really love it when people make ad hominem attacks about ad hominem. Now that's comedy!
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> what they're doing with C# and.NET is basically a reinvention of what Java already is
And here I thought Sun just couldn't market. They have you convinced that they invented bytecode compilation...
Okay, at home, I want to own my software, no doubt about it. However, in a professional IT environment, I would gladly rent my software if it meant I got real support for it. Not this third-party crapshoot that is the current state of most MS support I have experienced, I mean seriously-binding-SLA-or-I-don't-pay type support. I sure as hell am not going to pay for the privelege of simply having the bits on my machine, and I rather doubt most companies are going to roll over and agree to that either. Microsoft would have to ensure the collusion of every major software vendor out there in order to change the face of software licensing as it stands now, and since half of them trust Microsoft about as far as they can throw Steve Ballmer, I don't really see that happening.
My guess is they'll charge recurring fees for corporate VPN uses of Passport or something, not send a monthly bill for Notepad.
Sales folks at Sun use MS Office all the time, especially powerpoint. It's not supported. In the office, many of them also run Lotus Notes on Ultra 10's with SunPCI boards running, you guessed it, Windows. Those particular desktops are supported. I worked for Sun doing internal support... where does your information come from?
StarOffice is now what is used internally, though it's so slow that people only ever want to run it on a SunRay terminal with an E450 on the back end where it's all sitting in RAM anyway. It was hardly ever used before StarDivision was purchased, it definitely wasn't supported before then. The official Office suite at Sun before SO was Applix.
Inadequate. HTML::Template is not even close to the functionality of Template Toolkit. TT2 has WRAPPER, VIEW, FILTER, THROW and CATCH, parameterized includes, variable scoping, and a great deal more. htmltmpl doesn't even cache.
kinda hard deleting/finding mp3s when they are names DP_SOTW.zip
Congratulations, for that particular file you just destroyed the usefulness of Morpheus and every system like it, thus doing most of the RIAA's work for them.
This is why BeOS ultimately flopped: it was too hard to program for.
True, but in a very different way. The lack of decent developer support, for a platform running on hardware most people use windows on, aimed at the market that people buy macs for, compatible with less actual hardware than either, with no software from vendors anyone had ever heard of, is why it flopped.
I liked BeOS too. I ultimately wiped it off my system because I just didn't have a use for it.
Speaking of Zope, when are Perl external methods going to become an official part of Zope? I have a perl project that's currently mod_perl that I'm itching to connect to Zope as well (no I'm not porting it to python unless someone wants to port Template Toolkit to python also)
C++. Possibly C. Oracle has been around a lot longer than Java. It contains a JVM now, it certainly doesn't run on one. If it's written in Java now, you bet your ass it's compiled, in which case it's almost identical to C++ (object layout and vtables and all).
You are limited to 5 connections I believe. Re- read the license lest you get inot trouble
You're limited to five concurrent "tasks" (queries, inserts, updates, etc), after which it starts serializing them. This is usually quite adequate for development and workgroup-scale serving.
My problem with MSDE is that I can't seem to get it to recognize the existence of its users. I can create users, give them ownership of databases, but the moment I try to use GRANT, it claims there's no such user...
No, a troll is the "BSD is dying" idiot. Casting doubts that Linux's QA procedure is beyond question is common sense.
Fact is, distros are going to include kernels that are in the "stable" series, and if we're seeing so many fatal bugs that are caught by those in the know who just happen to run into them, what about a process for catching the bugs that developers don't just stumble into? I don't give a good god damn whether it's Linus, Alan, Redhat, Debian, or Theo de Raadt having a curiosity kick who tests it, I would just like to see it done.
And if that's dismissed as trolling by people whose opinions actually matter (read: not you), then I'll go where my concerns matter.
First of all, let's all remember that the amount of money we are paying for the linux kernel is $0.00.
And the amount staked on it may be millions. If you make the claim that Linux is equal to or better than commercial OS's, then you need to be prepared to have it subjected to the same demanding standards that paying customers have. Since I don't pay directly for development, I don't expect that development to happen on my schedule. But when it makes claims of quality and reliability, I expect them to be backed up. You can't have it both ways.
Fact is, I am often disappointed by commercial OS's too. I respect Linux enough to not cut it any more slack. I don't think Linus would have it any other way.
Welcome to the team. I wrote the C# parts of the application. John writes in Eiffel, Paul here likes C++ and uses that, and George over there prefers to use VB because he really likes its type system. You'll be sitting at this desk here, and you'll be in charge of the code that Ringo was working on before he left. None of us really knows how it works because we don't know INTERCAL
Yeah, INTERCAL. Do you have to resort to such hyperbole? Here's two very real scenarios:
"Welcome to the project. The original was written in C, but it was segfaulting all over the place. Right now we grab the output with some shell scripts and massage it a bit with perl scripts so we can feed it to another big perl script that kicks off a java app written by this other department that spits out some html back to the perl script which drops it in the directory for the browser to view when it next refreshes" (this was similar to a monitoring app I did write, I did the Perl)
How about a hypothetical:
"Welcome to the project. You get the grunt work, writing report forms. You use VB for that? Oh, you say there's a python package that does report generation from the db better? Well, as long as it can use our chart control, we can bring that up in the meeting. Judy over there -- hi Judy, meet our candidate -- she's a business logic wizard, she wrote parts that process the figures in mercury. She gets new rules into the system in like, minutes, and we almost never have to send bugs back to her, so we let her do her thing. Now if only we could get a gui programmer to peek into the objects she's writing in mercury and have them show the partial results in case we want to run scenarios or something..."
Fuck's sake, we're not talking about a tower of babel, we're talking about the interoperation of two or maybe three languages.
Jet sucks, I agree wholeheartedly. But MS Access can now use MS SQL Server databases for its backend, and it comes with MSDE, the db engine for MS SQL Server. It's crippled to only perform 5 concurrent operations (it serializes them after that), and your db size is limited to 2 gigs, but you otherwise get the full db backend. Then compare MSSQL2k's pricing to Oracle or Sybase when you do want to upgrade your backend. Access has raised the bar significantly here... I can't see using Access as anything but a front-end though. I think you and the original poster are comparing apples and oranges.
Maybe people are repeating those rants because they still hold? Without support for simple things like stored procedures or views (really, i can take one or the other in my case, but i can't lack both), and subselects, I just can't use MySQL. No hard feelings, but I certainly won't join the clamoring throng that defends a product too mediocre for me to use.
Linus Torvalds: I personally really like our filesystem layer, and in general the "core" code is in pretty good shape
*cough*.. the filesystem layer with no support for stackable vnodes (or vnodes at all) or userspace filesystems, that requires you to edit The Giant Union From Hell and recompile, and uses void* casts all over the place? That filesystem layer?
I could also go on about the "core" code of the VM layer, but AA may finally have whipped that into shape...
Where does the name come from? There isn't any obvious reason why a game that appears to be about urban terrorism is called 'Postal'. Can anyone explain it?
Noting your.uk address: in the USA, an employee of the United States Postal Service tends to go berzerk on average of about once a year (no smartasses, it's a different guy each time), goes into work with more firepower than hizballah, and proceeds to engage in the american pastime of a shooting rampage. It happens so often the term "going postal" was coined to refer to such rampages.
So we finally can tell the animated office assistant, and whatever else MS tries to stick up our asses, to FUCK OFF!! Without having to click and select..
I'm not sure I want to see what shape the paperclip bends itself into to animate that...
What does a destop environment have, that a window manager doesn't?
If I had to give a snappy answer, I'd say file management in a visual fashion (so 'ls' doesn't really count). Icons on the desktop, drawers, panels, folders, all are basically file management. Using a widget set for apps to utilize and interoperate with each other is also part of what makes a suite considered a single "desktop environment", but you can patch together a desktop environment all your own with different tools, so yes, twm, tkdesk, and an xterm running vi is a desktop environment, and perfectly good for some, unacceptable to others who prefer to have the same keyboard commands and the same common menu items act the same way across applications.
Me, I don't care, I just like the tools that make me productive. I do like having copy/paste and drag&drop work in a sensible fashion across applications tho.
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I see no inconsistency with the sigs. X has taught us a lot of lessons of how and how not to do things. Claiming that X is good enough now because it has been before is failing to learn from its history.
Think about it this way: I have gtk on my machine. I'm using a gtk app on the remote machine. Why in hell should it have to blit every widget over as if I had a dumb terminal? That's just one of the problems with X..
You have some valid points, but you don't see the ability to post anonymously being taken away, do you? Yes, there are AC's who make perfectly good insightful posts, there are AC's who can't post under a real account for whatever reason, and so on.
But the majority of AC posts I read are simply crap. I've stopped metamoderating because I'm sick of reading posts about "towelheads" and "sand niggers". I browse at score 2 now, because if I didn't, I probably wouldn't read slashdot at all. I'm not going to tar all anonymous posters with the same brush, but hey, life just isn't fair sometimes, I don't owe anyone here my attention.
> Now go ahead and mod me down for "trolling".
Can we get a "-1 whine" for this incessant "I'm going to get modded down" nonsense? Grow a freaking backbone and burn some karma to express the occasional unpopular opinion without all this whining about it.
We short M$ on global scale.
... if you're not barred from trading altogether, the lawsuits alone will bankrupt you.
If everyone shorts MS at once, that'll drive their stock price way up at the time of the buy, and you get your option called real quick. You conspire to drive it down so you can profit off the fall and that's stock manipulation
Ever thought of making money honestly?
It's really amazing how much Microsoft astroturfiing has been showing up on Slashdot lately, such as your post, for example. Does Bill pay you overtime for posting garbage to Slashdot in the middle of the night?
You're so cute when your eyebrow twitches like that.
And you didn't apparently have ad-hominem attacks at hand for the other transgressions mentioned. Perhaps Bill should dock your astroturf bonus.
I really love it when people make ad hominem attacks about ad hominem. Now that's comedy!
> what they're doing with C# and .NET is basically a reinvention of what Java already is
And here I thought Sun just couldn't market. They have you convinced that they invented bytecode compilation...
Okay, at home, I want to own my software, no doubt about it. However, in a professional IT environment, I would gladly rent my software if it meant I got real support for it. Not this third-party crapshoot that is the current state of most MS support I have experienced, I mean seriously-binding-SLA-or-I-don't-pay type support. I sure as hell am not going to pay for the privelege of simply having the bits on my machine, and I rather doubt most companies are going to roll over and agree to that either. Microsoft would have to ensure the collusion of every major software vendor out there in order to change the face of software licensing as it stands now, and since half of them trust Microsoft about as far as they can throw Steve Ballmer, I don't really see that happening.
My guess is they'll charge recurring fees for corporate VPN uses of Passport or something, not send a monthly bill for Notepad.
If you're going to paste an entire article verbatim, you could at least have the decency to post a link to the original
Sales folks at Sun use MS Office all the time, especially powerpoint. It's not supported. In the office, many of them also run Lotus Notes on Ultra 10's with SunPCI boards running, you guessed it, Windows. Those particular desktops are supported. I worked for Sun doing internal support... where does your information come from?
StarOffice is now what is used internally, though it's so slow that people only ever want to run it on a SunRay terminal with an E450 on the back end where it's all sitting in RAM anyway. It was hardly ever used before StarDivision was purchased, it definitely wasn't supported before then. The official Office suite at Sun before SO was Applix.
Inadequate. HTML::Template is not even close to the functionality of Template Toolkit. TT2 has WRAPPER, VIEW, FILTER, THROW and CATCH, parameterized includes, variable scoping, and a great deal more. htmltmpl doesn't even cache.
That's simple, next law they buy, it'll just be illegal to stop them.
If I as a private citizen conducted a tenth of my business the way congress makes laws, I would be rotting in jail.
kinda hard deleting/finding mp3s when they are names DP_SOTW.zip
Congratulations, for that particular file you just destroyed the usefulness of Morpheus and every system like it, thus doing most of the RIAA's work for them.
This is why BeOS ultimately flopped: it was too hard to program for.
True, but in a very different way. The lack of decent developer support, for a platform running on hardware most people use windows on, aimed at the market that people buy macs for, compatible with less actual hardware than either, with no software from vendors anyone had ever heard of, is why it flopped.
I liked BeOS too. I ultimately wiped it off my system because I just didn't have a use for it.
Speaking of Zope, when are Perl external methods going to become an official part of Zope? I have a perl project that's currently mod_perl that I'm itching to connect to Zope as well (no I'm not porting it to python unless someone wants to port Template Toolkit to python also)
> What do you think Oracle is written in?
C++. Possibly C. Oracle has been around a lot longer than Java. It contains a JVM now, it certainly doesn't run on one. If it's written in Java now, you bet your ass it's compiled, in which case it's almost identical to C++ (object layout and vtables and all).
You are limited to 5 connections I believe. Re- read the license lest you get inot trouble
You're limited to five concurrent "tasks" (queries, inserts, updates, etc), after which it starts serializing them. This is usually quite adequate for development and workgroup-scale serving.
My problem with MSDE is that I can't seem to get it to recognize the existence of its users. I can create users, give them ownership of databases, but the moment I try to use GRANT, it claims there's no such user...
No, a troll is the "BSD is dying" idiot. Casting doubts that Linux's QA procedure is beyond question is common sense.
Fact is, distros are going to include kernels that are in the "stable" series, and if we're seeing so many fatal bugs that are caught by those in the know who just happen to run into them, what about a process for catching the bugs that developers don't just stumble into? I don't give a good god damn whether it's Linus, Alan, Redhat, Debian, or Theo de Raadt having a curiosity kick who tests it, I would just like to see it done.
And if that's dismissed as trolling by people whose opinions actually matter (read: not you), then I'll go where my concerns matter.
First of all, let's all remember that the amount of money we are paying for the linux kernel is $0.00.
And the amount staked on it may be millions. If you make the claim that Linux is equal to or better than commercial OS's, then you need to be prepared to have it subjected to the same demanding standards that paying customers have. Since I don't pay directly for development, I don't expect that development to happen on my schedule. But when it makes claims of quality and reliability, I expect them to be backed up. You can't have it both ways.
Fact is, I am often disappointed by commercial OS's too. I respect Linux enough to not cut it any more slack. I don't think Linus would have it any other way.
Welcome to the team. I wrote the C# parts of the application. John writes in Eiffel, Paul here likes C++ and uses that, and George over there prefers to use VB because he really likes its type system. You'll be sitting at this desk here, and you'll be in charge of the code that Ringo was working on before he left. None of us really knows how it works because we don't know INTERCAL
Yeah, INTERCAL. Do you have to resort to such hyperbole? Here's two very real scenarios:
"Welcome to the project. The original was written in C, but it was segfaulting all over the place. Right now we grab the output with some shell scripts and massage it a bit with perl scripts so we can feed it to another big perl script that kicks off a java app written by this other department that spits out some html back to the perl script which drops it in the directory for the browser to view when it next refreshes" (this was similar to a monitoring app I did write, I did the Perl)
How about a hypothetical:
"Welcome to the project. You get the grunt work, writing report forms. You use VB for that? Oh, you say there's a python package that does report generation from the db better? Well, as long as it can use our chart control, we can bring that up in the meeting. Judy over there -- hi Judy, meet our candidate -- she's a business logic wizard, she wrote parts that process the figures in mercury. She gets new rules into the system in like, minutes, and we almost never have to send bugs back to her, so we let her do her thing. Now if only we could get a gui programmer to peek into the objects she's writing in mercury and have them show the partial results in case we want to run scenarios or something..."
Fuck's sake, we're not talking about a tower of babel, we're talking about the interoperation of two or maybe three languages.
Jet sucks, I agree wholeheartedly. But MS Access can now use MS SQL Server databases for its backend, and it comes with MSDE, the db engine for MS SQL Server. It's crippled to only perform 5 concurrent operations (it serializes them after that), and your db size is limited to 2 gigs, but you otherwise get the full db backend. Then compare MSSQL2k's pricing to Oracle or Sybase when you do want to upgrade your backend. Access has raised the bar significantly here... I can't see using Access as anything but a front-end though. I think you and the original poster are comparing apples and oranges.
Maybe people are repeating those rants because they still hold? Without support for simple things like stored procedures or views (really, i can take one or the other in my case, but i can't lack both), and subselects, I just can't use MySQL. No hard feelings, but I certainly won't join the clamoring throng that defends a product too mediocre for me to use.
Linus Torvalds: I personally really like our filesystem layer, and in general the "core" code is in pretty good shape
.. the filesystem layer with no support for stackable vnodes (or vnodes at all) or userspace filesystems, that requires you to edit The Giant Union From Hell and recompile, and uses void* casts all over the place? That filesystem layer?
*cough*
I could also go on about the "core" code of the VM layer, but AA may finally have whipped that into shape...
He probably is tired: tired of answering the same questions over and over to different people.
Then why is he giving interviews?
Where does the name come from? There isn't any obvious reason why a game that appears to be about urban terrorism is called 'Postal'. Can anyone explain it?
.uk address: in the USA, an employee of the United States Postal Service tends to go berzerk on average of about once a year (no smartasses, it's a different guy each time), goes into work with more firepower than hizballah, and proceeds to engage in the american pastime of a shooting rampage. It happens so often the term "going postal" was coined to refer to such rampages.
Noting your
So we finally can tell the animated office assistant, and whatever else MS tries to stick up our asses, to FUCK OFF!! Without having to click and select..
I'm not sure I want to see what shape the paperclip bends itself into to animate that...
What does a destop environment have, that a window manager doesn't?
If I had to give a snappy answer, I'd say file management in a visual fashion (so 'ls' doesn't really count). Icons on the desktop, drawers, panels, folders, all are basically file management. Using a widget set for apps to utilize and interoperate with each other is also part of what makes a suite considered a single "desktop environment", but you can patch together a desktop environment all your own with different tools, so yes, twm, tkdesk, and an xterm running vi is a desktop environment, and perfectly good for some, unacceptable to others who prefer to have the same keyboard commands and the same common menu items act the same way across applications.
Me, I don't care, I just like the tools that make me productive. I do like having copy/paste and drag&drop work in a sensible fashion across applications tho.