Nobody is willing to work on something, pouring hours upon hours of work into it, only to have someone working in Company X take their code, and make a living off of tweaking it
Right, they'd much rather pour hours upon hours of work into something that no one else ever works on, contributes to, or manages to make a living off of, much less profit from. That's why they give it away for free.
Bah, piece of crap turned my sigma characters into something else entirely. My guess is unicode input box, non-unicode form processing... I think the mainframe world is chuckling at us now, they dealt with EBCDIC dialect conversion issues on a daily basis decades ago...
Some of this new stuff seems to be seriously blurring the difference between language and library
Bingo. Perl has very malleable syntax, which is perhaps not as flexible as, say, SML, but still has had a philosophy of letting you rewrite good chunks of perl in perl. Perl6 is just adding to the potential confusion, letting you write code as twisted and evil as you want to. Besides, if you tend to write mathematical apps commonly... well, you might not write them in perl, but you probably do at least " on an easy key (I had to copy and paste it myself). " does not need to be an operator. It just can be.
I do love the hell out of perl, but I sure hope I can "use English 'operators';" for things like the hyper-operators. 'course, maybe 'use English' is deprecated... can't wait for 'use Chinese', imagine what perl would look like then...
I would much rather see "@diffs = @set1 ^- @set2" expressed as a list comprehension, say @diffs = (each $x - $y suchthat $x in @set1, $y in @set2); (assuming I have said "english operators" on, otherwise I would imagine at least the 'suchthat' operator would be some punctuation char). It's a bit contrived for something as simple as subtracting every member of a couple lists, but list comprehension is beautiful stuff when combined with lazy evaluation in languages like Haskell.
Oh, and Perl6 is going to have an 'in' operator, right?
Ahhh the trappings of the BSD license, you do the work - someone else makes money by stealing it.
And releases it as Darwin. But otherwise, yeah you're right. Look at what happened to Apache and X without the protection of the GPL, they're just in the dustbin of history now, aren't they?
Name me some DLLs, give me a program that I can test this out myself (since you disbelieve any MS programs from displaying things accurately), etc.
If you want to poke around and see what resources running programs are using (and do real neato things like futz with the ACL's and break handles), try process explorer (formerly handleEx) from sysinternals.com. Can't get it to sum up sizes of all these objects, but it'll still give you a rough idea.
This is a bunch of text to get past the "lameness filter". I'm tempted to make some pithy witticism about the basic lameness of lameness filters, but this should be sufficient.
Not a troll. 32-bit flat memory, etc. under DOS was cool in the early 90s, but really how viable is it in this day and age?
Because that's the same memory model linux uses (except on alphas where it's 64-bit). Or any other OS that supports virtual memory. Before that, in DOS you had to deal with segments, evil nastiness like FAR pointers and so forth.
I mean, the cearly superior editor is the one which can be made to completely mimic the behavior of the other, lesser editor, right?
If you don't mind taking eight megs of RAM to do so... (I do use emacs BTW. On Windows at that)
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> Can anyone give me any hint to what started people writing Perl as "PERL"
The original machine PERL was written on had a four-letter limit on names (not filenames, probably something like package names), and used all caps to boot. Larry Wall wanted to call it Pearl, and any expansions of PERL are backronyms -- it doesn't actually stand for anything. The official name for the language is "Perl", when referring to the interpreter it's perl (lowercase), and spelling it PERL can get you roundly flamed on #perl.
> The last movie placed First Contact in circa 2063. This is 90 years later, 2153.
Perhaps you missed the part... like the whole show, that showed vulcans in the opening scenes being referred to in a familiar fashion, i.e. not stepping out of their ship and saying "live long and prosper" to a crowd of amazed humans. Not to mention the captain's bitching about vulcans having lorded it over them for, guess what, 90 years.
> What happened to Vulcan respect and tolerance and non-judgementalism
Of course the vulcans are perfect -- according to the vulcans. They don't seem to have eliminated the illogical behavior of arrogance. You might recall Spock didn't really relish being around humans either.
eBay is a charter member - which is interesting since they were one of the first to sign up for passport. Second thoughts perhaps?
Am I the only one that conceives of the notion that they could use both? Or perhaps implement both then roll out out as official if the other tanks? When you develop something, do you download the first toolkit you find and swear by it forever, or do you evaluate different solutions?
WinME is worse than Win98SE and even Win2K sucks and needs rebooting every once in awhile
I have had to reboot my Win2k laptop a few times lately because:
1. A game locked up, setting the whole screen black, and i couldn't see task manager to select and kill it. What kills me is that it did reset the video just fine when I hit ctl-alt-del, then went back to black when task manager came up. I'll blame win2k for that.
2. The backlight on my lcd screen went out, and I had to power it down for a few minutes. Obvious hardware problem.
3. I changed the netmask on my network adaptor. Yes, that makes you reboot. Astonishing level of brain damage, I will blame windows for that.
4. I installed a service pack that replaced among other things, kernel.dll. Hard to avoid a reboot there.
Other than that, I've installed games, web servers, webserver extensions and patches, and oodles of miscellaneous language compilers. All I've noticed is that I keep having to kill runaway command.exe processes that seem to spawn whenever I run a cygwin shell, and occasionally stop the index server because it's grinding away while I'm doing other I/O intensive work. The uptime is astonishing even while I am beating the hell out of this machine as an administrator, I'm not a highly competent NT admin, and this machine isn't even certified by the manufacturer for win2k.
(BTW, while I'm going on, I will air one gripe/question: how the hell do I get internet connection sharing to gate my dialup to the vmware host-only adaptor without 1) re-ip'ing the adaptor, and 2) not bombing with a cryptic error pertaining to the new adaptor ip already being in use when it wasn't even close? following the directions on vmware's site to the letter results in this error...)
Not without making criminals of tens of millions of law-abiding users. I for one think that alone makes it unrealistic.
"We gave all the law abiding citizens five years to stop using these subversive tools. Those that refused are clearly terrorists with something to hide."
Prohibition made criminals out of millions of drinkers overnight. In the time since then, the populace has become even worse at critical thinking. And the UK has an even worse record of rolling over for such abuses.
Does Microsoft possess even a single creative/original soul in their entire organization?
There's Dave Cutler, who wrote WNT and later disciplined his wayward child back into Win2k. There's also Charles Simonyi who has some really interesting ideas. The fact that Bill "BASIC" Gates now has Simonyi's job title is, however, not encouraging. (and the "hot news" on that page used to mention something about IP going into a production mode, now it does not, that is also not encouraging).
So they do have some real innovators, but rest assured, they do deal with them as soon as they find them.
But simple has it's advantages - there are fewer ways to mess things up.
By this logic, DOS is the most secure OS in existence. Can't mess up what doesn't exist.
Let's begin with the problems of unix security: how about a "god" user that can do absolutely anything and everything, which many critical subsystems require the permissions of to do basic work. Inability to invoke basic simple security mechanisms like chroot or setuid without that user's perms. Requiring an interactive shell with that user's perms for most basic system maintenance -- even most tools for system maintenance have to spend some time as uid 0 or go through something that does. The fact that every piece of executable or interpreted content runs with the full permissions of the executing user and not the owner of the resource or at least a subset of the permissions of the executor according to some kind of mask.
Capabilities are great, but they're sort of the lambda calculus of security -- you can model anything with them, but you wouldn't want a system that used nothing but pure caps any more than you'd want to program in nothing but the lambda calculus.
so listen up. Ports has nothing to do with "porting" software from one platform to another. The ports collection is basically a package management and browsing system. It's a directory of packages, broken into categories, like ports/games, ports/net, ports/security, and so on. Each package has a makefile. The makefile will download, compile, create and install a binary package for that package and every one of its dependencies. It differs from traditional package managers in that dependencies are not done by package, e.g. kde doesn't look for a package for qt, it looks for the proper version of libqt.so -- think of it like a sort of autoconf. this saves you from the dependency hells other package managers put you through, and if you install a dependency manually, then things still install (and if you screwed up the dependency, well, that's your problem). When it's finished installing, the source tree sticks around (until you do a make clean), so if you need to modify something for your local system, you can go into the source, tweak at will, then make install again.
gentoo uses something very much like ports, though it doesn't use make, but a python utility called emerge instead. i would hope to see it use SCons in the future, and get the best of both worlds -- it might even be enough to get me to switch back to linux (once it stops having a VM bug of the week)
Does anyone else notice the grim irony of someone babbling about "freedom" while simultaneously demanding more laws?
No kidding. Corporations are the creation of laws, and most of their power is gained from laws that give them that power. Why do we need to have laws on the books that give them power with one hand, then another that takes it away. Time to start erasing the laws that cancel each other out and make the lawyer mills actually work for their money.
It would just be easier to dump the shitty WYSIWYG editors and just write the site in plain-jane HTML.
I beg to differ -- DreamWeaver often produces prettier HTML than I could have produced myself. What's nice about it is that if you do decide to reformat it later, it doesn't touch your formatting when you edit it (unless you outright delete and replace an element). I find I get all my ALT tags in more reliably when I use DW too, because such properties are considered a property of the library object, not the particular instance of it.
FrontPage on the other hand, is a mess, and can't even manage to correctly balance its own autogenerated tags.
There doesn't need to be any such law any more than there needs to be a law saying the law must be obeyed. The constitution by definition trumps contract law... hell, just plain federal law does, as can be seen by many contracts that were modified when they were found to be discriminatory (such as affirmative-action influenced public works contracts). However, invalidating sections of a contract still doesn't invalidate the whole thing.
It didn't have much for character development, but it did have an ultimate goal (kill the big foozle, mondain) with various large steps toward it, including having to go back in time and destroy his gem of immortality. This is more plot than akalabeth had, for example.
U4 was where Ultima peaked in terms of concept, it was unfortunately downhill from there.
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Nobody is willing to work on something, pouring hours upon hours of work into it, only to have someone working in Company X take their code, and make a living off of tweaking it
Right, they'd much rather pour hours upon hours of work into something that no one else ever works on, contributes to, or manages to make a living off of, much less profit from. That's why they give it away for free.
Um. Okay.
Bah, piece of crap turned my sigma characters into something else entirely. My guess is unicode input box, non-unicode form processing... I think the mainframe world is chuckling at us now, they dealt with EBCDIC dialect conversion issues on a daily basis decades ago...
Some of this new stuff seems to be seriously blurring the difference between language and library
... well, you might not write them in perl, but you probably do at least " on an easy key (I had to copy and paste it myself). " does not need to be an operator. It just can be.
Bingo. Perl has very malleable syntax, which is perhaps not as flexible as, say, SML, but still has had a philosophy of letting you rewrite good chunks of perl in perl. Perl6 is just adding to the potential confusion, letting you write code as twisted and evil as you want to. Besides, if you tend to write mathematical apps commonly
I do love the hell out of perl, but I sure hope I can "use English 'operators';" for things like the hyper-operators. 'course, maybe 'use English' is deprecated ... can't wait for 'use Chinese', imagine what perl would look like then...
I would much rather see "@diffs = @set1 ^- @set2" expressed as a list comprehension, say @diffs = (each $x - $y suchthat $x in @set1, $y in @set2); (assuming I have said "english operators" on, otherwise I would imagine at least the 'suchthat' operator would be some punctuation char). It's a bit contrived for something as simple as subtracting every member of a couple lists, but list comprehension is beautiful stuff when combined with lazy evaluation in languages like Haskell.
Oh, and Perl6 is going to have an 'in' operator, right?
Ahhh the trappings of the BSD license, you do the work - someone else makes money by stealing it.
And releases it as Darwin. But otherwise, yeah you're right. Look at what happened to Apache and X without the protection of the GPL, they're just in the dustbin of history now, aren't they?
I'm surprised to see that this hole [bbspot.com] didn't make the list.
Or this one [goatse.cx]
(relax, i didn't actually link it)
Name me some DLLs, give me a program that I can test this out myself (since you disbelieve any MS programs from displaying things accurately), etc.
If you want to poke around and see what resources running programs are using (and do real neato things like futz with the ACL's and break handles), try process explorer (formerly handleEx) from sysinternals.com. Can't get it to sum up sizes of all these objects, but it'll still give you a rough idea.
Look no further
This is a bunch of text to get past the "lameness filter". I'm tempted to make some pithy witticism about the basic lameness of lameness filters, but this should be sufficient.
Not a troll. 32-bit flat memory, etc. under DOS was cool in the early 90s, but really how viable is it in this day and age?
Because that's the same memory model linux uses (except on alphas where it's 64-bit). Or any other OS that supports virtual memory. Before that, in DOS you had to deal with segments, evil nastiness like FAR pointers and so forth.
I mean, the cearly superior editor is the one which can be made to completely mimic the behavior of the other, lesser editor, right?
If you don't mind taking eight megs of RAM to do so... (I do use emacs BTW. On Windows at that)
> Can anyone give me any hint to what started people writing Perl as "PERL"
The original machine PERL was written on had a four-letter limit on names (not filenames, probably something like package names), and used all caps to boot. Larry Wall wanted to call it Pearl, and any expansions of PERL are backronyms -- it doesn't actually stand for anything. The official name for the language is "Perl", when referring to the interpreter it's perl (lowercase), and spelling it PERL can get you roundly flamed on #perl.
I guess they forgot to advance their brians when they were going though their genetic engineering.
silly, everyone knows it's spelled brane
> The last movie placed First Contact in circa 2063. This is 90 years later, 2153.
... like the whole show, that showed vulcans in the opening scenes being referred to in a familiar fashion, i.e. not stepping out of their ship and saying "live long and prosper" to a crowd of amazed humans. Not to mention the captain's bitching about vulcans having lorded it over them for, guess what, 90 years.
Perhaps you missed the part
> What happened to Vulcan respect and tolerance and non-judgementalism
Of course the vulcans are perfect -- according to the vulcans. They don't seem to have eliminated the illogical behavior of arrogance. You might recall Spock didn't really relish being around humans either.
From 7of9, we all know what the whole point of her character was, now to this. It doesn't really fit into the series about exploration and discovery
.... oh i'm sorry were you saying something?
mmmmmm exploration
eBay is a charter member - which is interesting since they were one of the first to sign up for passport. Second thoughts perhaps?
Am I the only one that conceives of the notion that they could use both? Or perhaps implement both then roll out out as official if the other tanks? When you develop something, do you download the first toolkit you find and swear by it forever, or do you evaluate different solutions?
WinME is worse than Win98SE and even Win2K sucks and needs rebooting every once in awhile
I have had to reboot my Win2k laptop a few times lately because:
1. A game locked up, setting the whole screen black, and i couldn't see task manager to select and kill it. What kills me is that it did reset the video just fine when I hit ctl-alt-del, then went back to black when task manager came up. I'll blame win2k for that.
2. The backlight on my lcd screen went out, and I had to power it down for a few minutes. Obvious hardware problem.
3. I changed the netmask on my network adaptor. Yes, that makes you reboot. Astonishing level of brain damage, I will blame windows for that.
4. I installed a service pack that replaced among other things, kernel.dll. Hard to avoid a reboot there.
Other than that, I've installed games, web servers, webserver extensions and patches, and oodles of miscellaneous language compilers. All I've noticed is that I keep having to kill runaway command.exe processes that seem to spawn whenever I run a cygwin shell, and occasionally stop the index server because it's grinding away while I'm doing other I/O intensive work. The uptime is astonishing even while I am beating the hell out of this machine as an administrator, I'm not a highly competent NT admin, and this machine isn't even certified by the manufacturer for win2k.
(BTW, while I'm going on, I will air one gripe/question: how the hell do I get internet connection sharing to gate my dialup to the vmware host-only adaptor without 1) re-ip'ing the adaptor, and 2) not bombing with a cryptic error pertaining to the new adaptor ip already being in use when it wasn't even close? following the directions on vmware's site to the letter results in this error...)
Not without making criminals of tens of millions of law-abiding users. I for one think that alone makes it unrealistic.
"We gave all the law abiding citizens five years to stop using these subversive tools. Those that refused are clearly terrorists with something to hide."
Prohibition made criminals out of millions of drinkers overnight. In the time since then, the populace has become even worse at critical thinking. And the UK has an even worse record of rolling over for such abuses.
Does Microsoft possess even a single creative/original soul in their entire organization?
There's Dave Cutler, who wrote WNT and later disciplined his wayward child back into Win2k. There's also Charles Simonyi who has some really interesting ideas. The fact that Bill "BASIC" Gates now has Simonyi's job title is, however, not encouraging. (and the "hot news" on that page used to mention something about IP going into a production mode, now it does not, that is also not encouraging).
So they do have some real innovators, but rest assured, they do deal with them as soon as they find them.
But simple has it's advantages - there are fewer ways to mess things up.
By this logic, DOS is the most secure OS in existence. Can't mess up what doesn't exist.
Let's begin with the problems of unix security: how about a "god" user that can do absolutely anything and everything, which many critical subsystems require the permissions of to do basic work. Inability to invoke basic simple security mechanisms like chroot or setuid without that user's perms. Requiring an interactive shell with that user's perms for most basic system maintenance -- even most tools for system maintenance have to spend some time as uid 0 or go through something that does. The fact that every piece of executable or interpreted content runs with the full permissions of the executing user and not the owner of the resource or at least a subset of the permissions of the executor according to some kind of mask.
Capabilities are great, but they're sort of the lambda calculus of security -- you can model anything with them, but you wouldn't want a system that used nothing but pure caps any more than you'd want to program in nothing but the lambda calculus.
so listen up. Ports has nothing to do with "porting" software from one platform to another. The ports collection is basically a package management and browsing system. It's a directory of packages, broken into categories, like ports/games, ports/net, ports/security, and so on. Each package has a makefile. The makefile will download, compile, create and install a binary package for that package and every one of its dependencies. It differs from traditional package managers in that dependencies are not done by package, e.g. kde doesn't look for a package for qt, it looks for the proper version of libqt.so -- think of it like a sort of autoconf. this saves you from the dependency hells other package managers put you through, and if you install a dependency manually, then things still install (and if you screwed up the dependency, well, that's your problem). When it's finished installing, the source tree sticks around (until you do a make clean), so if you need to modify something for your local system, you can go into the source, tweak at will, then make install again.
gentoo uses something very much like ports, though it doesn't use make, but a python utility called emerge instead. i would hope to see it use SCons in the future, and get the best of both worlds -- it might even be enough to get me to switch back to linux (once it stops having a VM bug of the week)
my first thought upon hearing about the WTC attack was, "Those poor people! I sure hope Bill Gates was in there."
good freaking god... you are such a god damned loser for even saying that in jest.
Does anyone else notice the grim irony of someone babbling about "freedom" while simultaneously demanding more laws?
No kidding. Corporations are the creation of laws, and most of their power is gained from laws that give them that power. Why do we need to have laws on the books that give them power with one hand, then another that takes it away. Time to start erasing the laws that cancel each other out and make the lawyer mills actually work for their money.
It would just be easier to dump the shitty WYSIWYG editors and just write the site in plain-jane HTML.
I beg to differ -- DreamWeaver often produces prettier HTML than I could have produced myself. What's nice about it is that if you do decide to reformat it later, it doesn't touch your formatting when you edit it (unless you outright delete and replace an element). I find I get all my ALT tags in more reliably when I use DW too, because such properties are considered a property of the library object, not the particular instance of it.
FrontPage on the other hand, is a mess, and can't even manage to correctly balance its own autogenerated tags.
There doesn't need to be any such law any more than there needs to be a law saying the law must be obeyed. The constitution by definition trumps contract law ... hell, just plain federal law does, as can be seen by many contracts that were modified when they were found to be discriminatory (such as affirmative-action influenced public works contracts). However, invalidating sections of a contract still doesn't invalidate the whole thing.
Umm, there wasn't a real plot in Ultima I
It didn't have much for character development, but it did have an ultimate goal (kill the big foozle, mondain) with various large steps toward it, including having to go back in time and destroy his gem of immortality. This is more plot than akalabeth had, for example.
U4 was where Ultima peaked in terms of concept, it was unfortunately downhill from there.