> The computer can simultaneously give far more orders then a single mouse
This is PRECISELY why I hate, despise, revile almost every single real-time "strategy" game on the market, and for that matter, the whole genre. I can think reasonably fast, but I can't translate that into precise mouse clicking over a narrow little window to micro-manage suicidally stupid units who don't understand their general orders, just the one I immediately give them. I want a unit (meaning a GROUP, that reinforces itself) to defend an area, or scout, general orders, not "shoot at this bunch, now move here, and oh wait something across the map, just don't do a damn thing else while i give orders to that bunch, okay, now shoot here and move there".
One game I particularly hated was Age of Empires. My border guards constantly just LET THE ENEMY THROUGH, and although the game mentioned a peaceful way to win, I couldn't imagine it, since diplomacy consisted of "send an army to kill his peasants". Carrying on the stupid juggling act, I found that farms degrade and disappear unless you manually "repair them" (Aunt Mae, quick, call the repairman, the field's blowing away!). Then to add insult to injury, there's not even a PAUSE function, not even one that disables the interface while it's paused. No bathroom breaks, no wrist relaxers. Ridiculous. Worst RTS ever.
Populous 3 is an RTS I actually like. It's still a juggling act, but it feels like part of the puzzle that every level is. You have the one shaman unit, and a mindless mob that you can direct to cause havoc in general areas. The delayed order function was great for creating diversions once you had your plan layed out. It doesn't even have the pretense of having an AI, but it does model a rampaging mob very well.
> Well then, grab a copy of the Linux source code and fix it!
In logic class, there was a fallacy called "Missing the point". Well, this has nothing to do with logic, but my point was looking down over your head and saying "gee they look like ants down there".
Did it penetrate through yonder cranium that my entire point was that sometimes you just gotta start over? Linus's rants against microkernels are particularly instructive here. Apparently he hasn't noticed the microkernel BeOS, which is even written in C++ (yet somehow small and fast).
I noticed cracks in the structural walls in my apartment, but I guess I'm not qualified to point that out since I can't put up a new wall.
Jesus, how about nonblocking I/O for one? Maybe a little structured exception handling too? A journalled filesystem with metadata support (oh but hey, in true vapor fashion, that'll be coming Real Soon Now).
But I guess I'm not qualified to complain about those things because I can't write them myself.
Linux: Do it your damn self and stop bothering us.
> Actually since Linux is starting from a solid foundation, it could adopt all the best parts of an open source windows
Thereby proving the assertions that Linux has not a single original concept in it.
As for solid foundation, this isn't a house, you can redo a foundation. Linux is an incremental add of SMP onto an incremental add of modularity onto a monolithic kernel based on designs out of an ancient book for an obsolete teaching OS. It's just amazing that it works, but it sure isn't revolutionary.
I didn't say it was perfect. I certainly won't claim it's cutting edge. And as a desktop, Linux is definitely far from cutting edge.
I maintain that as a server, it works. I have watched IIS have to be rebooted because one didn't have the magic tool locally installed on their desktop to control it. I have watched exchange fall over again and again and again, while sendmail boxes set up by people even LESS clueful about unix chugged along merrily. I watched the exchange client corrupt mail folders regularly, and took the calls, no sorry sir, there's nothing you can do, did you back them up, hello? hello?
The fantabulous gizmonic flying contraptazoid of NT may sure have lots of knobs and dials, but when you shove it off a cliff, it drops like a stone. Good for show.
I am very glad that Win2K works for you. NT's track record has not been so kind to me or the MCSE's who called me for support. And the story has been repeated time and again with others.
I hate NT. I hate Unix, and by extension, Linux. I just haven't been driven to the point of quitting because I couldn't fix Unix problems.
Really I should get out of the computer business, but it's the only thing I'm any good at.
Do you have any notion, any concept of how stupid you look when you use terms like M$, MicroShaft, MicroSuck, Mickeysoft, Bill Gate$ and so on? It's one thing when we see the term once, but you look like a god damned warez puppy when you use them over and over. Not an ounce of logical thought shows through... and isn't that what geeks prize? Aren't geeks always bashing people who don't use their brains?
Really, the only one I've seen lately that was at all clever was "Micros~1" (shouldn't it be MICROS~1.OFT?) Even that one will get old when it gets beat into the ground, then some more, and again, and some more, and beaten again, and then some more for whatever passes for good measure.
It's amazing how many people's minds you can actually CHANGE when you sound like you treat business problems and solutions a little more seriously than a Quake deathmatch.
This is bunk. I do work for sun, but anyone who has 2.7 can pull up uname -a and see for themselves. SunOS 5.7 The decision to call it Solaris 7 was purely for marketing.
As a side note: we live in a post-literate society. We are literate, but we expect a lot of important information to be portrayed graphically. This is a sort of heraldry, where simple patterns signify complex concepts. Mere words don't cover it anymore.
Oh ballocks. Logos and stamps and seals and signage have always been used for their symbolic value. There's no indication whatsoever that we're leaving literacy behind. I find it particularly ironic that you offer this pseudo-academic argument ("post-" anything, my BS meter goes off) on a textual forum where even the name of the forum is spelled out in its logo.
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I looked through the KOSH site. The Red, the Blue, the Green and the Yellow? How about Alpha through Epsilon? Then there's the cutesy spelling throughout to fit the acronym out of babylon 5.
Far as site design goes, it's a model. The content still inspired more than a few chuckles.
If open source provides better software, where is the free photoshop? How about Lightwave? Where is 3d Studio MAX?
Oh yeah, gimp, blender, and povray. *snort* Meanwhile, professionals use what gives them power, not what makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside for using.
I used to support the MS Exchange client on the Mac. God what a nightmare, but I blame Exchange, as it wasn't much better on Windows.
However, among all apps from any vendor, be it MS, Claris, Adobe, whatever, I was always having to delete corrupted prefs files, rebuild desktop files, and harkening back to the days of DOS and TSR's, resolve extension conflicts.
I will say one thing about the macs: they fell over just as easily as the windows boxes, but they were a hell of a lot easier to get back up again, since configuration was reasonably centralized, and I could always back up the entire system folder if I needed to.
Unacceptable. I want documentation, I will not deal with source only. I want it all there in one place. I'm glad RMS recognizes this need too.
Also, I don't see that Gtk-- has the transformation abilities that QPainter does. Almost certainly not the encapsulation (i.e. I can have multiple QPainters). Maybe it does, but it's not documented.
Maybe you should lay off the junk. A good number of the optional features in the kernel can be compiled in but not activated until you echo some magic string into/proc. Granted it's not everything, and it's usually only the more experimental features, but it is correct.
About what I can expect from someone who can't put his name behind his comments.
Looks very nice, but wow is that text jaggy. Are we ever going to see antialiasing? A little bird tells me that X already has antialiasing with the XAA extension, and a font that heavy on diagonal strokes is in sore need of it indeed.
Have it spawn additional MDI containers or be able to take them out of the container entirely, ala mIRC. A window-bar wouldn't be a terribly bad design either.
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> The computer can simultaneously give far more orders then a single mouse
This is PRECISELY why I hate, despise, revile almost every single real-time "strategy" game on the market, and for that matter, the whole genre. I can think reasonably fast, but I can't translate that into precise mouse clicking over a narrow little window to micro-manage suicidally stupid units who don't understand their general orders, just the one I immediately give them. I want a unit (meaning a GROUP, that reinforces itself) to defend an area, or scout, general orders, not "shoot at this bunch, now move here, and oh wait something across the map, just don't do a damn thing else while i give orders to that bunch, okay, now shoot here and move there".
One game I particularly hated was Age of Empires. My border guards constantly just LET THE ENEMY THROUGH, and although the game mentioned a peaceful way to win, I couldn't imagine it, since diplomacy consisted of "send an army to kill his peasants". Carrying on the stupid juggling act, I found that farms degrade and disappear unless you manually "repair them" (Aunt Mae, quick, call the repairman, the field's blowing away!). Then to add insult to injury, there's not even a PAUSE function, not even one that disables the interface while it's paused. No bathroom breaks, no wrist relaxers. Ridiculous. Worst RTS ever.
Populous 3 is an RTS I actually like. It's still a juggling act, but it feels like part of the puzzle that every level is. You have the one shaman unit, and a mindless mob that you can direct to cause havoc in general areas. The delayed order function was great for creating diversions once you had your plan layed out. It doesn't even have the pretense of having an AI, but it does model a rampaging mob very well.
> Well then, grab a copy of the Linux source code and fix it!
In logic class, there was a fallacy called "Missing the point". Well, this has nothing to do with logic, but my point was looking down over your head and saying "gee they look like ants down there".
Did it penetrate through yonder cranium that my entire point was that sometimes you just gotta start over? Linus's rants against microkernels are particularly instructive here. Apparently he hasn't noticed the microkernel BeOS, which is even written in C++ (yet somehow small and fast).
I noticed cracks in the structural walls in my apartment, but I guess I'm not qualified to point that out since I can't put up a new wall.
Jesus, how about nonblocking I/O for one? Maybe a little structured exception handling too? A journalled filesystem with metadata support (oh but hey, in true vapor fashion, that'll be coming Real Soon Now).
But I guess I'm not qualified to complain about those things because I can't write them myself.
Linux: Do it your damn self and stop bothering us.
> One thing that makes me irritated with both M$IE and Navigator is that they were designed for preemptive multitasking
My heart really bleeds and bleeds. When MacOS joins the 70's then all will be happy again.
I eagerly look forward to the day that Godwin's law covers Microsoft mentions on Slashdot.
You would ditch those friends because they work for Microsoft? Go right ahead. They're better off without you.
> Actually since Linux is starting from a solid foundation, it could adopt all the best parts of an open source windows
Thereby proving the assertions that Linux has not a single original concept in it.
As for solid foundation, this isn't a house, you can redo a foundation. Linux is an incremental add of SMP onto an incremental add of modularity onto a monolithic kernel based on designs out of an ancient book for an obsolete teaching OS. It's just amazing that it works, but it sure isn't revolutionary.
I didn't say it was perfect. I certainly won't claim it's cutting edge. And as a desktop, Linux is definitely far from cutting edge.
I maintain that as a server, it works. I have watched IIS have to be rebooted because one didn't have the magic tool locally installed on their desktop to control it. I have watched exchange fall over again and again and again, while sendmail boxes set up by people even LESS clueful about unix chugged along merrily. I watched the exchange client corrupt mail folders regularly, and took the calls, no sorry sir, there's nothing you can do, did you back them up, hello? hello?
The fantabulous gizmonic flying contraptazoid of NT may sure have lots of knobs and dials, but when you shove it off a cliff, it drops like a stone. Good for show.
I am very glad that Win2K works for you. NT's track record has not been so kind to me or the MCSE's who called me for support. And the story has been repeated time and again with others.
I hate NT. I hate Unix, and by extension, Linux. I just haven't been driven to the point of quitting because I couldn't fix Unix problems.
Really I should get out of the computer business, but it's the only thing I'm any good at.
Do you have any notion, any concept of how stupid you look when you use terms like M$, MicroShaft, MicroSuck, Mickeysoft, Bill Gate$ and so on? It's one thing when we see the term once, but you look like a god damned warez puppy when you use them over and over. Not an ounce of logical thought shows through ... and isn't that what geeks prize? Aren't geeks always bashing people who don't use their brains?
Really, the only one I've seen lately that was at all clever was "Micros~1" (shouldn't it be MICROS~1.OFT?) Even that one will get old when it gets beat into the ground, then some more, and again, and some more, and beaten again, and then some more for whatever passes for good measure.
It's amazing how many people's minds you can actually CHANGE when you sound like you treat business problems and solutions a little more seriously than a Quake deathmatch.
Why? I think the phrase "don't descend to their level" is quite pertinent here.
.. the contentiousness didn't help mind you.
Negative advocacy didn't alone kill OS/2. Lukewarm support from IBM, sole proprietor of OS/2 killed it
> a) the robeast would have to be approxamatly 1 cm large
Wouldn't that be something to see, Voltron battling a space beast until the big monty python foot comes down and squishes both of 'em flat.
Those sure are neat technologies. Linux has a secret weapon of its own though:
It works.
I never met a user who complained that his mail was delivered with a MTA that didn't use COM+. No one cares what their mailman looks like.
> (even from the LARGEST COMMERCIAL ENTITY IN THE WORLD)
General Motors? Hell, that's just the USA, there may be even larger ones abroad.
This is bunk. I do work for sun, but anyone who has 2.7 can pull up uname -a and see for themselves. SunOS 5.7 The decision to call it Solaris 7 was purely for marketing.
Oh ballocks. Logos and stamps and seals and signage have always been used for their symbolic value. There's no indication whatsoever that we're leaving literacy behind. I find it particularly ironic that you offer this pseudo-academic argument ("post-" anything, my BS meter goes off) on a textual forum where even the name of the forum is spelled out in its logo.
I looked through the KOSH site. The Red, the Blue, the Green and the Yellow? How about Alpha through Epsilon? Then there's the cutesy spelling throughout to fit the acronym out of babylon 5.
Far as site design goes, it's a model. The content still inspired more than a few chuckles.
If open source provides better software, where is the free photoshop? How about Lightwave? Where is 3d Studio MAX?
Oh yeah, gimp, blender, and povray. *snort* Meanwhile, professionals use what gives them power, not what makes them feel all warm and fuzzy inside for using.
Corporate image? Here's a clue for ya JLG:
YOUR PRODUCT DOES NOT WORK ON G3 HARDWARE
And just to drive the point home:
LINUXPPC DOES
You want something VB-ish in look and feel that doesn't suck as a language, eh?
Try Delphi.
I used to support the MS Exchange client on the Mac. God what a nightmare, but I blame Exchange, as it wasn't much better on Windows.
However, among all apps from any vendor, be it MS, Claris, Adobe, whatever, I was always having to delete corrupted prefs files, rebuild desktop files, and harkening back to the days of DOS and TSR's, resolve extension conflicts.
I will say one thing about the macs: they fell over just as easily as the windows boxes, but they were a hell of a lot easier to get back up again, since configuration was reasonably centralized, and I could always back up the entire system folder if I needed to.
You mean you have to code to an entirely different API to take advantage of an optimized FPU?
Leave it to Macheads to turn that into a feature. If MS did it they'd be frothing at the mouth (more so) about Yet Another API.
Unacceptable. I want documentation, I will not deal with source only. I want it all there in one place. I'm glad RMS recognizes this need too.
Also, I don't see that Gtk-- has the transformation abilities that QPainter does. Almost certainly not the encapsulation (i.e. I can have multiple QPainters). Maybe it does, but it's not documented.
Maybe you should lay off the junk. A good number of the optional features in the kernel can be compiled in but not activated until you echo some magic string into /proc. Granted it's not everything, and it's usually only the more experimental features, but it is correct.
About what I can expect from someone who can't put his name behind his comments.
USB support is available for NT4. As an experimental addition, just like Linux. I would guess some service pack or another adds it.
Looks very nice, but wow is that text jaggy. Are we ever going to see antialiasing? A little bird tells me that X already has antialiasing with the XAA extension, and a font that heavy on diagonal strokes is in sore need of it indeed.
Have it spawn additional MDI containers or be able to take them out of the container entirely, ala mIRC. A window-bar wouldn't be a terribly bad design either.