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African Optical Backbone "Ring of Fire"
evilandi wrote
in to send us a nifty bit from BBC Sci/Tech about Africa's
Ring of Fire.
Essentially its a fiber cable that will circle the continent
and provide 40gbs net access all around. The cable will be
laid by robotic subs and the article says it will be self healing.
All this for a mere $1.2 Billion.
There are areas in Sierra Leone and Liberia where the different tribes are now armed with modern military equipment. They kill each other indiscriminately and often eat the flesh of the dead. BUT, they'll be able to get on the Internet, dammit!
Sometimes it seems like people just have their priorities all messed up...
Can't even spell "fibre" corrently, either...
;-)
By the way, can you tell me if "anal retentive" should have a hyphen?
(You should take a minute and realize that many people here are posting in their second or even third language. Get off your high horse and be a little more tolerant.)
Oh, certainly, I understand when people confuse its/it's, their/there/they're, and your/you're when their first language is not English.
However, when I see an its/it's error every single day on Slashdot, and it's the webmaster who's doing it, then I start to wonder.
I think that nitpicking will/shall is anal retentive, not basic grammar like its/it's.
> If anything, Slashdot has grown really soft overall towards MS stuff.
What are you talking about? Grown soft on MS? What does that have to do with "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters."????
Let us all remember what Slashdot is used for...
Fair enough. But the bottom line is that the original poster was expressing a healthy skepticism and certainly was not knee jerking.
Yea, that sucked. Everyone in the world needs to be wired together. The Internet is the only real place I don't usually see national lines dividing people (unless they are clueless and like to flame like "Canadians suck".) I can talk to people in Europe as easily as they can talk to people in Japan and South America. The old guard is having a had time dealing with this concept of a wired world where information and communication is instantaneously available to all people.
Computers? Phones still consume a damn lot of bandwitdh, you know..
Let's see, "News for Nerds. Stuff that Matters."...how does MS fit in that scheme of things? Maybe in a negative light? How could it possibly be positive?
of course there were no rich westerners around in
the 1700s to say 'let britain get a
better government then it can industrialize'
anyways you're prolly right, but on the other hand
inofmration is bound to be freer after this happens than before it happens... there is no way
the governments can keep all the holes in the system patched. with enough skill some of the dissident african journalists might be able
to get their stories out more easily...
im thinking of encryption, anonymous flunkies in the government telcom works who are sympathetic,
stuff like that...
I could start out in Van Nuys, walk a few miles south, and end
up in Encino. Or I could go north, and end up in Pacoima. Or
East to North Hollywood.
Totally different cultures.:-)
Is it racism? Who paid for Africa to get wired? Who paid for China?
Pardon me, but what's wrong (or inferior) about speaking with clicks?
I'd like to see a lot more people follow basic grammar rules. It would make posts much easier and more pleasant to read.
Poor MSFT, people always pick on 'em. What have they done to deserve such contempt? :^)
OK, well that would explain some of the stupid "racist" comments. Some of these folks must be under the impression that the taxpayer is paying for this.
I think "pearls to pigs" applies to dealings with corrupt African leaders. Of course, that begs the question of which leaders around the world _aren't_ corrupt. Hmm.. Anyway, the "grass huts" comment was really stupid.
What are you talking about? Grown soft on MS? What does that have to do with "News for Nerds. Stuff that matters."???? Let us all remember what Slashdot is used for...
Maybe, the original poster was using what is called "irony". Sometimes it is used without smileys (yes I know this sounds strange, but that's true).
With the HIV+ rate in some countries (such as Zimbabwe) over 25% and the average life expentancy as low as 39 years, what they really need continental internet access. Yeah, that's the ticket.
Some small corrupt government could offer their country's infrastructure as a save haven for illegal content on the Net. I doubt that a lot of these countries have laws against kiddy porn, software piracy or instructions for terrorist. There would be no legal recourse against the buggy laws of a souvereign state.
Bring it on!
Believe it or not, not every one in Africa lives in a grass hut.
English is not my native language and I would often _appreciate_ it if someone corrected my mistakes. The biggest problem is when you're gettin no feedback _at all_, even when your posts are full of subtle (grammatical) errors. How else am I supposed to learn this freaky language?
I guess that by stealth bomber you mean the B2.m l
a wk.html
It's unit cost is $1.3 billion according to the
USAF.
http://www.af.mil/news/factsheets/B_2_Spirit.ht
The F-117, which is a bomber despite it's "F"
designation, on the other hand has a unit cost of
"just" a mere $45 million.
http://www.af.mil/news/factsheets/F_117A_Nighth
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http://o112.ryd.student.liu.se
The majority of the northern countries (Libya, Egyp..etc.) and some of the west coast countries like nigeria and are oil dependant...
The inland countries are predominantly mining and forest products.....
Most of Africa is "worthless" for true money making things like oil and mining....South Africa mainly for diamonds and gold...but hey....I've said enough...
Yeah i agree with you? I m really disappointed with this slashdotters- i thought they would have been more enlightened but im wrong. This project
is not charity - its supply and demand and thats what drives this kind of investments.
Here in Nairobi most large computer companies have
a presence compaq,epson.microsoft,ibm, to name but
a few obviously the have a market that is growing and that is why they are present.
check out this website www.worldspace.com
Uhm... I hate to break it to ya, but Canadians do suck. Have a better example to use?
> The internet and all the related technologies
> are possibly the best hopes for getting
> education into an educationally starved area.
Sorry, but when you say "education," to me it sounds a lot like "western culture." Do these societies necessarily need or want cheaper phone calls? Do they want or need to be "rescued" from the nineteenth century?
I see your email address is at *.uk. One of the main self-justifications for British imperialism in the last century was to rescue the primitives from savage society, to civilize and christianize them. The civil wars (and subsequent bloody military rule) that have characterized the post-colonial history of Nigeria (for one) is a direct result of England's bumbling attempts to westernize areas of Africa.
This is not to say that cheaper phone calls are necessarily a bad thing, any more that christianity is necessarily a bad thing. But for one society to clumsily bestow its culture on another is not always good.
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Jesus, god forbid someone in Cote D'Ivoire should get some form of internet access before some punk-ass kid in a Boston suburb gets his cable modem. I'll alert the telco officials right away - they need to get their priorities straight. First, your cable modem. Then, and only then, fiber optic for the ENTIRE CONTINENT of Africa.
Because of the way capitalism works. The statement "these people can barely afford to live" is wrong ; it should be "most of these people can barely afford to live". However if in Africa, most people are poor, and the middle class is very restricted, a few percent of the population is rich (I mean as rich as you [probably] are, and more), or very rich.
By your logic, since the 10% poorest in the USA can too barely afford to live, th US should stop Internet funding (along with anything cultural etc...), to help them. The reason the US doesn't, is the same why people want to build an African Optical Backbone.
Hey Betcour,
I'm African and I have enough to eat, I don't have AIDS and I know how to read. So do a lot of people in Africa. Do we deserve net access now? Or is there something else you would like us to do?
and i think im gonna be right.
go back to your lynch mobs you technocratic fuckwads
i think the patterns on which comments have
been moderated up and which have been moderated
down show clearly the bent of the slashdot moderators. furthermore since the users of slashdot have no representation in the way slashdot is run (other than bitching about it in
powerless posts that will be moderated down -1) things are not going to change. i hope you and your racist friends have a fun time in the 21st century. fuck slashdot.
> This is where the internet shines, it eliminates
> the physical separation, leaving only cultural
> and educational separation to overcome.
Yes, but "overcoming" cultural differences can easily take the form of destroying cultural differences. This is becoming apparent in, for example, regions of America. Homogenizing media like TV and the internet have changed the culture of, say, the deep south and the appalachians by making those cultural differences disappear.
> I think the africans are quite capable of using
> the technology for their own ends,
It's easy to think of one's own culture as being neutral, and sometimes we westerners think of things like our technology and science as being non-cultural, or trans-cultural. But these things do have cultural baggage. The american christian missionaries of the last century who went after indians didn't realize they were supporting genocide, they just thought they were giving the savages the Gift of Truth. Science and technology can also seem deceptively True.
> There is also a great desire among the already
> educated population to end the isolation of
> africa as a "savage continent".
This, to me, is the *only* valid reason to wire africa -- if and only if a sufficent faction of africans desire it. As long as it's the people of africa who decide to bring it in, I can accept that. But I didn't see strong evidence from the article that this is what's happening (fiber laid by Lucent, interviews with guys named "Steve" and "Joseph").
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You think you're being sarcastic, but yes, they do! What has helped more than anything else to bring down the HIV infection rate in the U.S.? Education. Access to Information. If this media helps disseminate information to a population that currently relies on wildly innaccurate word of mouth, IT WILL SAVE LIVES.
The other benefit nobody points out is the benefit to us snobs comfortable in our lives in the U.S. When every corrupt little third world nation has a multi-gigabit pipe straight into the U.S. networks , then how is the religious right going to control the Internet? How is the NSA and Echelon going to monitor and filter thosands of terrabytes of data per second? Everybody that joins the party contributes to your freedom, and mine, as the value of the network increases exponentially with the number of people connected to it.
Here in the U.S., we have a corrupt congress, huge numbers of people living below the poverty line, and a whole lot of people dying of AIDS. Does that mean we shouldn't be connected to the rest of the world via the internet?
Do you know what the US povertly line is? It's about $13000 pa. I intend to retire and live on less than that.
Don't whine to me about people living below the US poverty line. US poverty is how the rest of the world aspires to live.
Maynard
Why the gratuituos sarcasm on America or Europe? For all we know, the post you replied to may come from outer space:) Anyways, information can liberate provided the masses can read. Information can only help if it is shared to the masses, period. I'm from Latin America, and if all poor countries share the same characteristics, the same lifestyle I endured, then I have to agree that this "ring of fire" will have little impact in the near or mid future. Assume all dissidents will use it, who is going to read it, the poor masses or some curious surfer in a library pc located in the middle of Europe, US or Japan? To this date, the most important goal of the masses is one: food, food and food! That's all that matters when you have millions of children smelling shoe gloe to get high so that they don't feel their own hunger! This ring of fire will bring nothing pausible to the masses. It will fill some peoples' pockets, and half of them may be sitting on the other side of the planet.
Luis Espinal
www.cs.fiu.edu/~lespin03
What, are you one of those bloody Englishmen? Still pissed off that we took all your criminals, kicked your ass, became a bigger world power than you, and then saved your ass in WWII? Yeah?
Well, unfortunately I work with the Fibre Channel standard, so I spell fibre that same way you do...
;-)
Paradoxically enough, you can't feed starving Africans by sending them food.
The people who are starving to death in Africa are doing so not for lack of food but because of the political and economic state of their homelands. All the food in the world won't do any good if you can't distribute it to the people because of corrupt and greedy governments.
Bringing the Internet to the people of Africa means that they will have access to all sorts of knowledge that has been suppressed by the government. And that can be dangerous to any oppressive regime; just ask the French nobility, circa 1789.
Well, the average salary is something like $100/month (or worse). Working 1 day on some random CGI (or whatever work can be remotly done), the average African geek could feed his all rural family for 1 month, if he get paid by Western countries standards.
what good is surfing the web on a T1 if you're malnourished and dying of AIDS ???
It is better to be surfing the web, malnourished and dying of AIDS then to be just malnourished and dying of AIDS. By your logic, people in Africa shouldn't have TV or radio. Heck, they are malnourished and dying from paludism, have leprosis, a lack of medical care, etc...
Truth can be racist. Falsity can be racist. "Racism is always ignorance." Can truth ever be ignorance?
I'm ashamed how ignorant /.ers appear to be. could it be because the majority of posters are \whisper{American}? Most of what I want to say has already been gone over before. As an African suffice it to say that Africa is much more than the CNN images you get on TV just as America is more than the Gun obssessed, Homicidal, paedophile loving drug crazed gluttonous society it is portrayed as here in Western Europe. Remember that there is a large number of highly skilled and educated people from Africa who are based in the US, Europe Australia etc. In addition there is a large untapped pool of skilled graduate programmers / Engineers graduating form African Universities. Perhaps a simmilar situation as is seen in India will occur where American and European Companies will outsource their programmming needs to Africa based programmers in an effort to reduce costs.
Just my 2 pennies worth
D
> What's wrong with "destroying" cultural
> differences (as if it would enourage one culture
> at the expense of another)?
When has it not encouraged one culture over the expense of the other? When was the last time you hunted buffalo? How many druids were elected to parliament? (Or bringing back the appalachian cultures, ever see the Beverly Hillbillies? Or Deliverance? Who won that culture war?)
> Would the money have been spent on Africa if it
> wasn't being spent on this wire?
And perhaps not all african societies would share the western preoccupation with money. The real question is whether they're asking for this, or whether we're saying, "take this and like it."
> If they don't want it enough, they won't use it.
> Nothing is forcing them to, or if it is, they're
> using it because the perceived pros outweigh the
> cons, and that's their decision.
I could buy this argument *strictly* speaking about the "Ring of Fire," but I find it hard to believe that Lucent is expecting to take a hit on this in the long run. They're anticipating that africa is an untapped economic resource, a continent of new users. This sort of thing is sure to be followed by a campaign to techn-ify africa (or else why build the damn thing?), which I am arguing is really a campaign of westernization.
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The each day science discovers more reasons why the Negro species will never amount to anything. Basketball, hip-hop, crime, AIDS. They just can't control themselves or their appetites.
Well, strictly speaking, "wrong" is a relative term, so I guess it all depends on your point of view.
But cultural assimilations have tended to be bloody (the american civil war, conflict in northern ireland, the genocide of native americans, british colonialization of the third world, roman colonialization of anything they could bone, etc.). Also, if total assimilation doens't take place, or an attempt is made to reverse it, this can leave the assimilated culture royally fucked up (nigeria is an excellent example; so is the current state of u.s. indian reservations, where the suicide rates are some of the highest in the country). "Ghandi" is a movie which makes this argument more convincingly than I am, as does the book "Custer Died for your Sins" (Vine Deloria).
Again, I'm not saying that mixing of cultures is bad, or that one culture should refrain from helping out another. But one culture forcibly "improving" another has not had a good historical track record, and has tended to screw over the improvees.
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The Indo-European races have been the most successful at democracy. Most third world races and mongrelized races have been unable to achieve any reasonable form of democracy. Even in countries like the United States, the Negro and mixed race populations account for most of the crime. In Africa real democracy free of corruption will probably never happen within the lifetimes of anyone alive today. It is not in the African genetic code.
Oh yeah, we really need a bunch of niggers on the net.
yeah, thats it. give them linux boxes. that will solve their problems. Imagine, millions of new computer users learning through linux. Forget linux! How bout teaching through textbooks! How about reading and writing and arithmetic, and then computer literacy! Or how about combining all of those together. But lets forget about linux for one second. You linux zealots are really getting out of control. We're having a conversation here about the state of Africa and you come up with the idea of how great it would be if people in Africa learned to use computers through linux. Give me a break! Take down those corrupt political regimes. Build a better infrastructure. Improve farming and irrigation. Improve education and healthcare. But for one second, just forget about linux!
There are many reports of cannibalism happening everywhere in the world. Does this mean anywhere where reports of cannibalism happening should not have internet access.
The mere fact that you are responding to someone who is posting from Africa should be proof there are people and organisations in Africa that have a need or want for internet access.
Just because there is alot of civil turmoil in many African countries doesn't mean they don't deserve the internet. In fact by providing them internet access you increase the average education of the whole population, which in turn leads to less civil turmoil. It also increases the communcations level between the various warring parties which leads better understanding between them.
I would say that places like Africa should have a much high priority on getting internet access than so called first world countries. Simply because the first world functions well without the internet, the third world has alot more trouble functioning without a strong communcations network (mainly because they have never had access to one). And the internet is about he best communcation system there is.
"Look, there are REAL FUCKING PROBLEMS in Africa. What the hell do you think you are achieving by
denying this? The single largest reason these problems continue is because the west does not step in, and the west does not step in because
the world is full of assholes like you who, as soon as adults try to control the situation, will start screaming "racism, imperialsm, paternalism"."
What the fuck does that whole rave mean? David Oghenekewe Ituru never denied there are real problem in Africa. He just pointed out that the sterotype you put forward in not very accurate (as with most sterotypes). Why doesn't the west step in, because the people living there don't want the west to step in, or maybe its because the west is also full of asshole who really couldn't give a shit about the lives of people in Africa. And I'm not even going to comment on the Adults stepping in line, because it is just plain stupid.
Your comments didn't help. Every single point you posted is negative. Find some positive points that acutally add to the discussion, because at the moment you just come across and a typical arrogant, stupid, everyone else is wrong, head in the sand type person.
>They don't have TV and probably don't have electricity
So whats the point in them spending billions of dollars on a fibre optic network!! .
>That radio is marvellous.
I couldn`t agree more, I think Trevor Baylisis a genious and to a continint like Africa it is a big thing. Thats my point, in the western world there is probably some justification for spending that kind of money but Africa has much more pressing problems that need sorting first.
Man, you are embarassing the "white species" more than anything else right now. I don't think I even need to go into the logic of your argument. Do you think all slashdotters are white?
Hey, I am an African and I was unaware that there is a gene for "democracy free of corruption." Please tell us about this gene so we can genetically engineer a more democratic population.
Thanks
Very enlightening comment white-boy. I appreciate the obvious intellect you put into that compressed nugget of wisdom.
>Oh yeah, we really need a bunch of niggers on the net.
You're right, especally since the machines they most likely will be using won't be running Windows 98 or NT for the most part, right?
Could that be one of the reasons why South Africa has its own (competing) project of a link going up (instead of around) Africa ? [Not that it would help that much - SBC has a stake in South African Telkom and has probably planted listening devices by now anyway].
Almost every host under ac.zw is running Linux.
:-)
And there are some eleet Linux hax0rz there too
If this wasn`t on the BBC site I wouls have said "what a load of crap!"
I would have thought that Africa would be the last place to introduce this technology(self repairing cable, miniature robots etc.).
When Nelson Mandela calls a clockwork radio the greatest invention of the century I cant see the demand for this technology!
I take it there are plans for an Eschelon listening post somewhere on the ring?
An underwater cable is a damn lot more difficult for people to sabotage.
And Africa isn't exactly known for stable governments,...
Would you invest a billion or more on a cable that some government or rebel movement would cut whenever they see fit?
However, not many of the likely troublemakers posess submarines :-)
None the less, the real block to this being a useful innovation for the majority of Africa's population is that the majority are worrying about something other than fast internet access. When only the very fortunate have computers or enough to eat for that matter, it's pretty hard to make use of net access!
Things may have evolved somewhat since my time in Africa, but from my three years in Zimbabwe I can count on both hands the number of computers I saw during that time there. Even if the number has gone up by 100X or more, still it's only available to the very rich. I'm forced to agree that there are better things to spend money on. However, this -may- lead to some investments in companies looking to put fast web servers and ecommerce sites somewhere with low taxes and little government intervention. Whether this is a good thing or not is something to be debated, since it represents companies and or individual conducting a roundabout method of tax evasion. I don't like taxes any more than the next AC, but they keep the roads paved... And I'm not sure if the presence of the servers in these countries would represent any noticeable increase in their revenues, as their unlikely to pay much in the way of taxes and aside from a small on site maintenance team there would be little in the way of local hires.
go to wired.com check out 'mother earth mother board'.
ps 1.6 billion is the cost of 2 stealth bombers.
ill let you decide which accomplishment is worth
more and will bring more security to the world.
So what's with all these phrases like "pearls to the pigs" popping up in replies? And references to guys in grass huts? A lot of people seem to be lumping the entire African continent under this outdated "primitive savages" label.
Here in the U.S., we have a corrupt congress, huge numbers of people living below the poverty line, and a whole lot of people dying of AIDS. Does that mean we shouldn't be connected to the rest of the world via the internet?
I have news for you. Africa contains a lot of different places, all of them different, and practically none of them conform to this absurdly stereotyped notion of Africa some folks seem to have.
Well, I don't think he was attacking people for speaking with clicks, but rather that if someone only speaks a language such as Ibo (one of the many languages of Nigeria), they're going to have a hard time on the Internet considering there aren't many sites in Ibo.
My mom always told me to eat all my food cuz there were starving kids in ethopia.(good then they can eat my left over blackeye peas then...)
But Why spend $1.4billion for the very few that will be effected by it. These people can barely afford to live. Whynot spend the money to improve farming and irrigation.
It always amazes me how Slashdotters/Linux advocates manage to work Microsoft into everything, even the most unrelated topics.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
Not to mention the whole/hole mixup and the cel/cell misspelling in other articles today.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
You should take a minute and realize that many people here are posting in their second or even third language. Get off your high horse and be a little more tolerant.)
CmdrTaco's first language is English, unless I'm badly mistaken, so that's not an excuse.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
...just a well-placed bomb. They certainly have access to them.
Posted by Lord Kano-The Gangster Of Love:
Taco, check again dude, it's 1.6 billion, not 1.2
>>The optic-fibre cable is long enough to circle the Earth and will be laid by robotic submarines. The project will cost $1.6 billion and aims to be completed in
2002.
LK
Posted by stodge:
Why spend the money on this when they can't afford to feed the people in parts of Africa, and when wars still rage there? Why?
Sure they could connect to the Internet at 2Mb/s to send an email, but they can't feed half of the population in central Africa. Cynical? No, but the idea is.
This sounds like an excellent investment. I'm a little dismayed at some of the responses here in this forum, however. While the observations about government corruption in many African nations is true, the suggestion that the corruption/governments be fixed first is just plain silly. You can't fix a government without an informed citizenry or without putting the power of expression in the hands of the citizens.
The "cue the foo posts in 3, 2, 1..." posts will commence with no subsequent foo posts in 3, 2, 1...
"I can't believe some of the shameful comments by /.ers about spending the money on other projects before spending on technology."
r ic.htm . Given that, I don't think it's ridiculous to question whether $1.6 billion could be more effectively spent on other things.
Why is it so shameful to believe that there might be a more effective way to spend money on Africa? Now, according to the article, the cable system may end up saving hundreds of millions of dollars a year. If so, then the project is undoubtedly a winner, since the money will be paid back in short order. Improvements to the phone system may help bring the economic development that is needed in Africa.
However, your characterization of the naysayers is extremely unfair. Their argument is not "Wah, how come they get fast modems before me", it's "perhaps distributing vitamins with folate to pregnant African women would be a better way of spending the money."
85% of African countries have a per capita income of $785/year or less, according to http://www.rrojasdatabank.free-online.co.uk/incaf
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
Maybe if you refrained from the f word, you wouldn't get moderated to -1?
Ooh, a sarcasm detector. Oh, that's a real useful invention.
If I look closely, I see that Greenland has about 3-4 dots, some of are in the very north. I sincerely doubt that the few hunters there are in a dire need of fiber optics network...
J.
This is indeed a great article. The printable version is easier to read, IMHO, since it doesn't involve relentless clicking.
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Slashdot moderators may indeed be racist. But at best (and at worst) they reflect the users of slashdot. Moderators are chosen largely at random.
In my opinion this is the greatest weakness of the moderation system since it amplifies conformist views. The net effect is
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Right now, i feel ashamed to be a part of the /. community. I don't know which is worse: the racist stereotyping, or the illogical cost/benefit analysis. Bigotry and stupidity.
First, the racism. Not all Africans are primitives living in huts. Not all African nations are embroiled in civil war. Famines are a result of war and the resultant refugees, not poverty. Africans are not cannibals. Et cetera.
Second, the cost/benefit analysis of the undersea cable. Aren't slashdotters supposed to be technology experts who understand the value of electronic communications? Don't you think phones and the Internet are useful for something other than downloading porn and Quake betas? Africa's economic growth is hampered mostly by the lack of a modern communications infrastructure. Inexpensive bandwidth is the most critical feature of any modern economy. Until it is available throughout most of Africa, the African economies will be unable to modernize and compete with the rest of the world.
Think of Buckminster Fuller's formula: Wealth equals Energy times Information. And, as Fuller pointed out, Information can be replicated at whatever bandwidth is available, so the better the bandwidth, the more quickly wealth will increase. It really dismays me to see people saying that Africa shouldn't spend money on creating (not expanding, CREATING!) a modern communications infrastructure, because there are other pressing needs. That sounds like obsolete liberal crap to me, a guaranteed means to keep Africa broken and dependent forever. I can't think of a more pressing need than to be able to communicate freely with each other and the rest of the world.
Which reminds me... many of the more creative pseudo-intellectuals here suggest that Africa cannot get, should not get, or does not deserve a good communications infrastructure because of its corrupt governments. Think about it... what's the most effective tool for fighting government corruption and abuse yet devised? Communication! Governments cannot control widely available phones, much less the Internet. Governments that allow open communications cannot oppress effectively; governments that suppress communications will not benefit effectively from communications, and will fall behind. It worked in the USSR, and it will work in Africa.
This undersea fiber optic cable project is an incredibly useful venture, which if it succeeds will reap rewards far in excess of its initial cost. Personally, i'm thrilled for Africa.
But i'm more disappointed than ever in the supposedly intelligent, considerate, and technologically savvy denizens of Slashdot.
Hand me that airplane glue and I'll tell you another story.
I read that Nigeria's second-largest foreign-revenue source (after oil) is mail fraud (i.e., the "Nigerian letter" scams). There is a core of highly skilled confidence tricksters expert at parting otherwise savvy Western businessmen from their money through the mail.
Wonder whether this means that once Nigeria has broadband Internet access, it will become the world leader in MLM schemes and spam...
<CONSPIRACY-THEORY>
Perhaps once Monsanto has eliminated non-terminated crops from Africa, and the Africans are entirely dependent on international corporations for their very subsistence, they can be marshalled into a massive cheap data-entry force, doing menial shitwork over the Net at a fraction of the cost of Western labour. Now that Asian standards of living are rising to the levels of middle-class consumer society, it's about time someone found a new source of technoserfs.
</CONSPIRACY-THEORY>
How will that work? Will the CDMA base stations be under the sea as well? (Is it feasible to locate microwave transmitters underwater?) Will they be on uninhabited islands or floating platforms?
Africa One are the company running the show. Their site has some reasonably detailed technical and geographical info, but is a bit short on where exactly they are going to get US$1.2bn from.
I think it's a great idea but I have a couple of worries:
Having said that, the project could revolutionise Africa in a million and one positive ways.
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I don't think it is racism, I think it has more to do with people who's only view of Africa is the Sahara desert, rainforests, slash-and burn agriculture, famine, AIDS statistics, South African politics and all the other stuff we pick up from CNN and CCF ads.
As for the "Pearls to the pigs" analogy... I'm just going to assume that it was just a very poor choice of words.
I think people are a bit shocked that money is being poured into communications infrastructure when people in North America are being innundated with ads to sponsor African children for food and vaccines. I think they expect to see money poured into food, water and electricity. I'm also pretty ignorant of the economics of Africa... but at least I'm keeping my mouth shut on concerning whether or not Africa needs the upgrade.
I don't think that using CDMA to get connectivity to land is going to get around the various governments. I'm consulting on an ISP setup in Nigeria, and I can tell you that the communications ministry makes you get a permit for everything involved with communications signals- whether you're sending _or_ recieving. For example, a satellite dish requires a permit.
Besides- how will the wireless signal get from the fiber link to land? I can't imagine that they're going to build offshore platforms for transmission equipment. They're most likely going to bring the fiber onland at each landing point and connect in to a local provider.
Once the fiber is on land, the national providers might well use wireless technologies to provide connectivity- most African countries use microwave relays.
Robbie
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The trend lately has been to lay cable across the ocean and back again so as to have a loop, in case one segment gets eaten by a shark.
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Yeah, this came out around the time we were all talking about GBLX buying US West. Wow, that BBC is fast.
---- "If we have to go on with these damned quantum jumps, then I'm sorry that I ever got involved" - Erwin Schrodinger
This is from the Global Crossing press release:
"Africa ONE will save hundreds of millions of dollars in transit fees now being paid by African carriers to complete calls via Europe."
All this bellyaching about people starving in Africa misses the point. They're already starving, to pay European telcos to complete intra-African long-distance calls.
---- "If we have to go on with these damned quantum jumps, then I'm sorry that I ever got involved" - Erwin Schrodinger
I read a column by someone who works at the University of Zambia. According to her, copper is useless in Africa because of the weather (lightning, floods etc.) and because the locals dig it up and sell the metal.
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I agree, Having been to Nigeria twice to visit my parents I can say with experience that this could be a problem. In Nigeria NEPA (Nigerian Electrical Power Authority) really stands for Never Expect Power Again, and NiTel the national phone company has horrible lines in and out. When I was there about 1.5 years ago I stayed in a company compound with 5 leased lines going out. Only two or three of them were capable of handeling 2400 or greater bps! Now granted I think such a thing would be great! I would have loved to have internet access while there! I know that my experience does not talk for the whole of Africa, but it helps to shed some light on some of the potentialy bad problems. Besides let's not forget that many of the countries in West Africa have corrupt governments, and many get rich quick scams come from projects like this!
The most postitive thing I can think of for this would be that it would have the potential to bring Africa closer to the rest of the world, and that it might help to educate the people a little more and encourage grass-roots reform.
Africa is an amazing place and the people are some of the most friendly I have met anywhere in the world, I just don't trust some of the people in power.
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Unfortunately, the bulk of African governments are so backwards and corrupt that this will not make one whit of difference in the lives of most of the continent's people. Only a few bureaucrat/kleptocrat types and/or businessmen will be in a position to benefit from better connectivity.
What Africa needs is better governments first. Then fiber optics can be useful to the people.
Remember - half the world has never made a phone call.
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Read the info on the AfricaOne page. A lot of the continent is currently connected via the 'PANAFTEL' network, which is a series of Microwave towers. They claim that the weather in Africa is so crappy that this network has proved unreliable.
RASCOM is another, rural based connectivity network.
AfricaOne will supercede both of these.
Perhaps I should have expressed myself more clearly. It's stated that the ring was done with a mere 1.2 billion. To somebody like Gates, that's practically like a drop in the bucket. So what would stop him from laying a few of those FireRings around other places. MS could then sell off chunks of it to ISP as long as they Support Windows Only. Heck they could even be as evil as forcing a windows-type client to connect. The potential behind something that large for a mere 1.2 billion kind of set me back so I though I would mention it in the "Comments" section. "Turn your computer into a gameboy... type win at the C:>"
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If I had $100 billion dollars and it only cost me 1.2 billion to put a huge fibre ring around a continent, I would be all over that. Do you know how much money that would pay back once different ISPs started bidding for chunks of it. Man... anyone want to lend a few billion? =)
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I eagerly look forward to the day that Godwin's law covers Microsoft mentions on Slashdot.
I've finally had it: until slashdot gets article moderation, I am not coming back.
Thats great, as long as you have only ONE break. I would be a very unhappy camper if I was on Madagascar and the cable got broke to the north & south of me. The ability to reroute the packet requests is not a "self healing" technology. After all ARPANET used adaptive routing back in the late 60's early 70's, which if I'm not mistaken is the SAME concept. Maybe "self-healing" is just a new catch word being used by hardware manufacturers just to promote sales. Think of it the money to be made.
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And just how many services are controlled by computers in African countries ? I believe pencil and paper are still Y2K compliant.
I agree that airline radar poses a problem, as Y2K testing in Africa will probably only during the week between Christmas and New Year.
That radio is marvellous. Half and hour of audio from a couple minutes of winding, it's amazing. You have no idea how much people in the outlying African areas rely on their radios. They don't have TV and probably don't have electricity so they depend on batteries. How would you like spending 20% of your monthly salary on batteries just to keep your radio going ? Batteries are really expensive (in South Africa at least).
You must understand that for Mandela it really is a big thing: he probably only had radio while imprisoned for 20+ years. It may not be the greatest invention of the century to you: but to a people of whom many don't even have toilets it may just be the greatest thing since sliced bread. It's a big step forward for creating devices that do not rely on an expensive power source.
Tell that to the people who are starving to death
One thing that concerns me a little is this. On the map in the article, I notice that a lot of the network taps are in one region, around Cote d'Ivoire, Ghana, Togo, Nigeria, Cameroon, and Gabon. Here is a map of Africa. These are already some of the wealthier, freer countries. It would be nice if there were more taps in places like Somalia and Ethiopia. Still, it's a lot better than nothing.
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The vast majority of the human populat lives within a hundred miles or so of the coast. Africa is no exception. I suspect (no data to back it up except logic based on geographical conditions) that in Africa, the percentage within 100 miles of the coast is larger than in most other continents. Thus, while it will not provide easy access for those that live a ways inland, it will provide access for the majority of the population.
Also one might ask why they don't run the cable around the coast underground instead of undersea. I suspect this too is related to geographic constraints. Africa's coast is very rocky, and is a cliff in a lot of places. Laying an underground cable in stone is rather expensive. Also, it requires that all the governments along the coast give you permission and land to lay the cable all at once, and they have to agree on where you can lay the cable at the borders. Not exactly a fun set of negotiations I suspect, nor an easy one. If you lay the cable undersea, all you have to do is negotiate with each individual country independently where they want their link(s) to come in from the ocean.
As far as the 1,2$$,$$$,$$$ is concerned, there is a lot of money in the oil industry in Africa. I suspect that, at least indirectly, the oil industry is funding most of this, since at the very least, the oil industry is the prime source of revenue for many, if not most or all African governments.
-Cheetah
When I was working with broadband fiber self-healing meant the ability to dynamically reroute around a break...almost a necessity if you're going to lay it on the bottom of the ocean. If it meant that the fiber actually spliced itself back together, then that would really be something else.
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Well if Africa was a perfect circle, and let's say its diameter is 4800 miles, then the circumference would be 15,000 miles. But, Africa isnt perfectly round, and im sure the cabling wont stay at the exact same elevation all the way around.
Lastly, it doesnt quite hug the coast -- from the map it looks like its being seated a ways out into the ocean.
Yeah, 24k would be a pretty accurate measurement.
Besides, it's better to predict too much than too little.
And how can you be complaining about bandwidth?
You have fibre running circles around your city.
It's your local phone co. that blows, not the backbone.
Well if Africa was a perfect circle, and let's say its diameter is 4800 miles, then the circumference would be 15,000 miles. But, Africa isnt perfectly round, and im sure the cabling wont stay at the exact same elevation all the way around.
Lastly, it doesnt quite hug the coast -- from the map it looks like its being seated a ways out into the ocean.
Yeah, 24k would be a pretty accurate measurement.
Besides, it's better to predict too much than too little.
And how can you be complaining about bandwidth?
You have fibre running circles around your city.
It's your local phone co. that blows, not the backbone.
I agree with some of these other posts. Africa as is full of backward, politically corrupt nations. Bribery of public officials is the norm (this includes police and politicians). So, this $1.2 Billion dollar project which will be completed in 2002 is an incredible waste of money!
How will the continent's 70% majority of mostly rural, poor people benefit from this? These people don't have food, medicine, or decent living conditions. Is high speed Net access going to improve their quality of life? Granted, it will improve education which will have positive long-term benefits. But, here and now in 2000 and in 2002 -- what good is surfing the web on a T1 if you're malnourished and dying of AIDS ???
One thing that seemed strange - the article said: The cable is long enough to circle the globe. Last I checked, this was 24,000 miles. Africa is 4,970 miles long and 4,600 miles wide. Is this going to be a double-cable? Why the extra length?
I'm just pissed. I live in a suburb of Boston and I can't even get a freakin cable modem. And now some guy in a grass hut who can't afford a computer is getting 40 Mbit access. IT'S NOT FAIR!
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He follows the laying of FLAG (Fiberoptic Link Across the Globe). Awesome article on telecommunications and what goes into laying a cable under oceans.
NUA has a good section for information on the proliferation of the internet on the African Subcontinent.
Personally think the 1.2 billion investment should wait a little bit.
What's wrong with "destroying" cultural differences (as if it would enourage one culture at the expense of another)? Would the money have been spent on Africa if it wasn't being spent on this wire? If they don't want it enough, they won't use it. Nothing is forcing them to, or if it is, they're using it because the perceived pros outweigh the cons, and that's their decision.
You still haven't stated why this is wrong.
I am one who is all for wiring the world and getting information into the hands of the people but I have serious problems with this. Several parts of this continent are without running water or food. Could not this money be used for something to help that first? Are we going to trample on the backs of these peoples in our quest to create a true global network? All Darwinism aside, have we thrown out all sense of humanity when we worry about a continent having internet access when the people there are starving and dying on a daily basis?
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I know a lot of optics guys, and here are some observations that passed muster with them:
YES, they're laying it underwater because a) it's cheaper and b) needs fewer bribes than doing it overland;
NO, they won't be running cables to every hut. The game plan is probably to make the ring a backbone linked to by 2MB wireless CDMA, doing an end-run around State telcos. (The end of government gets little closer. Great!)
YES, cost is a huge issue - but not because of immature tech; it's purely due to bureacracy and bribes. Making phone calls in Africa is pricier than in Japan, despite the fact parts of Africa (Egypt, for example) are massively wired and handle a large chunk of Europe's traffic.)
By the way, that FLAG project was obsolete even when the Wired article was written - as is Iridium up above. Think WDM and CDMA, not grateless and TDMA.
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I am an African and a daily slashdotter and I like OSS and all that good stuff. However, I have been dissapointed by the tone of some guys who seem to think that Africans are (1) Not on the internet (2)Do not need to be on the internet.
.... Man!! What kind of economics is that? How can you deal with one issue in isolation to others? So we just stop all economic activity/life and concentrate on agriculture for oh 50 years or so. Puh - leaze!!
This is all about communication people! Do you think there is anyone who doesn't need more ability to communicate? How could that possibly be negative?
For a report on the existing infrastructure check out this
As to the people who say we should deal with the food supply first
How realistic is that? Overall economic growth will increase income and opportunities for a lot of people and be a much more long term solution than airlifting another aid package.
To the people who ask "do African really want this?" I can only speak for the people I know and the answer is DEFINITELY YES!! I don't know one African no matter how radical anti - west etc. who would be against this kind of development. OK not everyone knows about the Internet, but even the "average guy on the street" knows that (1) its brand new amazing technology (2) Its good for the continent's economy and will make it more attractive for international business.
Who would be against that?
For the guy who who said something like "AFRICA HAS A LOT OF F*** PROBLEMS!! So don't even try to deny it!" Hey, nice to see you know the glass is half empty. Sure they are problems, but what continent doesn't have problems? What exactly is the thrust of that particular argument? Problems exist and they should be dealt with, and stronger Telecommmunications infrastructure is part of the solution.
Well, thats the end of my rant.
I can't wait for this thing to become operational!
Robert Rwebangira
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I have lived in Africa for about 17 years and while this does not make me an expert, I humbly offer my opinions on this issue.
Q: Is it true that Africa has no need for such technology and no computers to take advantage of it?
A: Compared to the US, there are very few computers and little infrastructure. However, most large commercial organisations, universities, NGOs etc in urban areas have lots of computers (mostly for word processing and stuff). The rate of penetration has been increasing rapidly in the last couple of years, and the trend is definately going to continue.
A major obstacle has been lack of infrastructure
esp. bandwidth. This project seems likely to help in that regard so it WILL have an impact on the ordinary citizens because productivity of the economy is likely to go up, leading to a higher GDP.
Q: Are all African countries embroiled in violent civil war and mired in corruption?
A: As far as corruption, to my knowledge this is a problem in much of Africa. As to the violent civil war part this is simply not true. Armed conflict is taking place in much of Africa, but not everywhere. Recent conflicts have focused around Central Africa in Angola and Congo and also in Ethiopia, Liberia, Algeria, Uganda and Sudan. Note that there are more than 50 countries in Africa, and I'd say that the vast majority of these are stable (from a military perspective). Of course you have political turmoil but thats another issue.
In the west we only hear about Africa when conflict occurs, but hey what's so exciting about people living together peacefully year after year?
Just my 0.02$
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Remember the days when there was wonder still in the world? When you could walk a few miles, and come across a totally different culture? When humanity was a bunch of little villages in the forest, scratching out a living by day, hiding under the beds by night?
Bring back the Impergium!
I'm all in favor of it! bring it on! we need something to connect the entire world!
I remember reading about this project at least two years ago. Don't remember who was going to do this nor the exact technical details, but this is definitely not new(s)
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I've been reading this section with my filtering at 2, and have been impressed by the quality of the conversation. It's like I'm reading a completely different forum from the one you describe.
I think this is a pretty compelling illustration of the moderation scheme working. Way to go, /.
If oriental countries have somehow managed to overcome the language problems they have on the Internet, I hardly see "click" languages as being some sort of impossible task. Some click languages(that I'm aware of, eg Xhosa) are by far easier to write down than oriental languages, so if the east could overcome that, I'm sure Africa can. Many people with languages that include clicks (Nelson Mandela for example) can also speak English. And besides that, people who speak with clicks probably form a very small minority of Africans, so they're hardly a reason to keep the Internet out.
What Africa really needs more than anything else is better education. There is simply no other way to become productive and competitive in a global economy. Remember, not ever African country is torn apart by civil war, many are reasonably peaceful. The Internet would be an excellent way to help improve education, and whether or not you are aware of it over in the US (I'm assuming you are from the US) there are already distance-learning institutions taking advantage of the Internet to bring education to people in Africa who would normally have found it very difficult (or impossible) to get an education at all. (http://www.unisa.ac.za/ as one example.)
It's probably easy to get a skewed view in the US, where most people already live comfortably and can afford a relatively good education - so the main priority there is to try get faster and better entertainment video pushed into homes over the Net. But in other places, where priorities are a bit different, the Internet *is* being used to help spread education. While "Ring of Fire" might not "herald an African renaissance", it may very well be a very important small step (as one of many) that will lead to a true African renaissance over the next 50 to 100 years.
Give a hungry person a fish, blah blah blah. You seem to be recommending the short-term (short-sighted?) "give fish" strategy. I mean, gee, "how could improved education (and thus improved productivity and competition in a global economy) possibly improve the quality of life of the people of a country"? Do you realise how absolutely stupid you sound when you say that? Or are you a troll?
Can't get a cable modem? Goddamn, life must be tough for you
Spoilt brat.
.. blah blah blah, you know the rest. Figure it out. Here's a hint: think "long-term" (20 to 100 years).
Come on, can't everybody pin-point the continents at least?
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The Internet will be as much a revolution to Africa as TV was twenty years ago. More so, as TV is by definition controlled by big business and government. The shortage of wire in Africa is largely down to the big problem of getting it in: overcoming the patronage, baksheesh, bribery, call it what you want, that it takes to get things done in much of the continent. By running the line around the coast Africa One can bring it ashore as required and leave the inland operations to local telcos.
Africa needs to brought up to speed - maybe this will help to stop the cycle of revolution and war that's holding development back.
This article says that it's actually a 80GB cable, a $600mil deal, and due in 2001... however, this could just be for South Africa's bit of it. Personally I think it's the best thing since sliced bread. A start towards a truly world-wide web. Yippee!
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I'm still waiting for the day that some Big Company decides to entice some small nation to become the Gibsonian (William, natch) vision of the data haven--an electronic switzerland. All you'd need is a fast connection, a pliable government and a few hundred armed gaurds to stave off "interested parties". Gibson picked Costa Rica--perhaps he should have picked the Ivory Coast?
Microsoft wasn't even mentioned in the article.
Its high time that "If M$ gets a hold of it/You're an M$ flunky" type responses should get the same treatment as "First post!".
well somebody has to flame you..
Get over it.
Ya like i'd believe me if I was you!
This project is a prelude to an invasion and re-colonization of Africa by the industrialized Western powers. They will finance this project, and will subsequently land troops in coastal countries under the pretext of protecting vital net links in what they call "unstable" areas. Each interested power will set up spheres of influence aka protectorates based around their invasion zones.
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I like your post, too bad I can't give it a couple of point to boost it to the top of the list.
As for your concern with the high concentration of land taps in the francophone area, I think I know the answer. There is(was?) a project sponsored by the french government using alcatel to pull a big fiber from the mediteranean down around the west of africa to supply the francophone countries with cheaper telecoms. This may actually be part of the ring, since it is being built in sections as funding happens.
If the french government gets their tetes out of their culs, they would see the internet is a great tool for expanding the use of the french language. Some of the far-right french politicians have actually found a large french speaking/writing/posting community on the internet, and they have become the loudest supporters of the internet in france. And there was just a linux expo in paris. tres cool!
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The plans for this cable have been around for a few years, I wonder if they are hitting the public relations circuit to build up some investor confidence.
/.ers about spending the money on other projects before spending on technology. What africa needs is a better telecoms infrastructure, to help developing nations leapfrog from a mostly 19th century poverty to a 21st century stable economy.
If you look at the website (which hasn't been updated in more than 2 years), they were hoping to be mostly done by now. Why has the BBC suddenly picked up on this project?
on a slightly different subject......
I can't believe some of the shameful comments by
This cable is not going to bring 2Gbit/sec web browsing to every hut on the continent. It is going to carry mostly voice circuits, with the intention of bringing the cost of voice calls WAY, WAY down. It will also carry some internet traffic, which will bring cheaper bandwidth and hopefully spawn a bunch of small ISPs in each country. It is an evolution of telecoms in the area, not a renaissance.
The idea that everyone on the continent lives in huts is ridiculous, there is a large middle-class population in every one of the politically stable countries, and oil wealth does get distributed with some glitches. I also take offense that all the problems of the continent have to be fixed before they get internet access. The internet and all the related technologies are possibly the best hopes for getting education into an educationally starved area. Shame on the hypocrites who drool over the latest adsl/cable offerings in their own neighborhoods, but would complain when others have a chance to get the same thing.
The cable is being laid undersea for two reasons, cost and security. The cheapest place to lay a cable is in the seabed, because you don't have to negotiate with hundreds of mostly corrupt entities for right-of-way passage for the cable. And since most of it is hidden under the seabed, disgruntled terrorist factions cannot attack it easily. In a politically unstable climate like some parts of central and eastern africa, this is the only way to get reliable telecoms into the area. There are already dozens of cables around the african coast, some are coax, but this one will have the capacity of all the others together.
The article in the DM&G refers to a different project, from asia to the US via SA and west africa. There was an article in the SA Star a few months ago about this cable as well.
the AC
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Well, China has it's own money and telcos to take care of this stuff - as far as I know no foreign taxpayer is financing any network in China. Though China has its share of problems, I think it is much better than in an "average" African country (people are more educated, infrastructure is much better, governement is stable and economy is good enough to support the country). Though South Africa has some good chances to become a well developped and powerfull country in the next century (and hopefully stay a healthy democracy)
Thats right people will have a hard time on the net if they speak in clicks. Last I checked AltaVista didn't have a language for Ibo on the search engine (or the AV section... hehe)... maybe this "Ring of Fire" is actually going up so that the people that speak clicks can use broadband to communicate their language. We can use text, but they will use audio ;)
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In the article they mention that this Ring of Fire might "herald an African renaissance". OK, that was a supreme load of crap.
Lets see... a friend of mine went to an airport in Africa. It is a war torn shell ridden airport with craters on the airstrip from a civil war. I think this Ring of Fire is great and all technologically, but when these people are having a civil war, speak with clicks, and where alot are in dire poverty with Sally Struthers trying to rescue them then I don't think that the Internet is exactly on their mind. So I sure as hell don't think it will "herald an African renaissance".
These experts who think the Internet will herald a renaissance must be the same buffoons who think the Internet will be the great equalizer across socio-economic classes in the US for education. OK.. right....
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The Ring of Fire is a worthy project. If all goes well, it will reach out to a high percentage of Africans in the future. If not, well, it was still worth it.
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The AfricaOne web page seems to indicate that most of the stuff happened on this project several years ago.
"You can't have everything. Where would you keep it?" -- Steven Wright
I think this article is refering to SAFE/SAT3, which is a project that will put fibers in the water from the Far East, to South Africa, up the West Africa coast to Europe, and eventually to the USA.
The AfricaOne project is intended to ring Africa in fiber, and is a different project.
"You can't have everything. Where would you keep it?" -- Steven Wright
Looks like its actually going! I wish the AfricaONE folks would update their web site!
http://www.globalcrossin g.bm/pressreleases/pr%5F060499.asp
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Dunno about China, but for Africa it ain't you (the US)..
Thank you Massa /.
I'm sure Africans appreciate your narrow view of the world. Nevermind the fact that Africa is comprised of over 50 countries, hundreds of unique cultures and multiple languages. Let you tell it Africa is one bowl of cannibals and revolutionaries. Are you really that ignorant?
How is it that you feel you have the right to decide who gets what? Are you God? I guess the rest of the planet should remain your humble servants, to forever remain in poverty and ignorance.
Information is the key to economic survival on planet earth. For you to suggest that the infrastructure needed to to provide this to an entire continent is not necessary or is a bad investment verges on being genocidal. Think I'm overreacting? Pondering economic projects for an entire continent on the basis of your limited views of the world is despicable!
Please educate yourselves about the world you live in or keep the Tarzan fantasies to your self.
Looking through this thread I have realised how naive the rest of the world's view of Africa is. There seems to be a tendancy to lump all African countries into a stereotype or perhaps even worse the total disregard of the fact that Africa is comprised of many countries. Yes I know there are many corrupt countries ....... but it is not the norm ..... in South Africa it is very irregular to bribe any official. In fact in my country we have a fully functioning isp, e-commerce and internet banking system. In a way it's like lumping Germany and Yugoslavia together in one boat or the States and Mexico. Maybe this bandwidth increase will educate the outside world to what Africa is all about.