Here's what shows up at the bottom of their web page:
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Join the rebellion? Please.
Now for themes: I have not seen one single new enduser demand themes. Possibly mac users, who are used to kaleidoscope, but every single windows desktop I've seen my users and friends use is using, not surprisingly, standard widget appearances, despite the availablity of third-party theming packs. Usually they are set to some garish neon-shaded color theme like pink or pastel green, while I myself actually stick to the default (so sue me, I like blue).
Multithreading: Long as an application is responsive, end-users don't care what the architecture is. Moving toward multithreading can be a big disaster though: Java's AWT was threadsafe, and all those synchronized update methods were a big part of the reason it was so ungodly SLOW. Swing actually dropped the threadsafeness for that reason.
Someone might write such a thunking layer if it weren't certain to be godawful slow, if gtk were decently documented, and gtk provided all the same functionality as qt (not saying qt has more, just different).
hear me? DOCUMENT THE DAMN TOOLKIT. DYI and WTFM (write the f**ing manual) is not an appropriate answer for someone trying to learn the toolkit in the first place.
Hah. C vs C++. Mico vs ORBit. Qt+Harmony vs GTK+. kwm vs wm-agnosticism. koffice vs gnome-office. organization vs ad hoc. and just the overarching need to advocate supremacy of one's particular choice to pump up one's ego.
Fact: Free unixen ala Linux and FreeBSD, and NT are the only two server OS's gaining in market share (if I may group Linux and FreeBSD together there). They are dividing the world between them and MS can't dispute the numbers. Samba does CIFS better than NT. Apache earns plenty of respect on its own merits. Serious database software has been ported to Linux, including monstrous vertical application suites like SAP/R3.
So when will Linux and, well, every other OS that isn't Windows stop rolling over and playing dead in order to "get" Microsoft for antitrust. Claiming on one hand that the OS is far superior, but when a judge asks, whimpering quietly "but we really suck compared to windows". Look, the OS is superior or it isn't, it's growing or it isn't, it competes or it doesn't. Time for a little honesty and a lot of courage.
What is it, I mean, really?
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Now keep in mind Joel can't control When the movies begin or end Because he used those special parts To make his robot friends Robot roll call Cambot! Gypsy! Tom Servo! Crooooooooow! > if you're wondering how he eats and breathes,
I sincerely hope this isn't lost in the scorching flames sure to have followed. I feel that the range of moderation should be narrow, perhaps between -20 and +20. Moderation should also be tracked for large deviation: Here's why:
If more than 20 moderators (that's simply 5%, feel free to adjust it maybe to 10% or so) believe that an article is not worth reading, then assuming their opinions are reasoned, further weighing in on the article is really quite redundant. There should be no need for moderators to get into the "dogpile" effect, where they wish to further cram down a particularly objectionable post and basically stoke a sense of righteousness that shouldn't be allowed to be raised to that level. Furthermore, trolls might actually shoot for the lowest score they can get. They'd disappear off most peoples' screens quickly enough, but a side game might well appear for "lowballing". This would also tend to defuse tendencies for a trend in moderation of an article to become "runaway" -- more on that later.
I don't know if a moderator can only increase or decrease by 1. If not, it would certainly be a wise idea or one rogue moderator would be a disaster.
As for a low ceiling, let's not make a hugely high moderation score become a mark of celebrity, or worse, fandom. If 50 moderators will mark upward everything Bruce Perens says, then at least it would stop at 20. You'd also have a problem with the moderators in that respect. You could also run into ridiculous value distinctions between a +100 article and one that was "merely" +50. Dogpile effect there too, let's not inflate someone's ego by getting posters clamoring "let's put him over the 200 mark, c'mon moderators".
Finally, I would urge you to keep track of the total number of moderation marks on a post and not *just* alter the score. If 100 mark it upward and 100 mark it downward, you have a serious split in opinion which is obviously marked by widely different values in "what's worth reading", and while it may be appropriate (perhaps something highly inflammatory but thought-provoking, like the "anti-arab virus" article), there's another very likely possibility: that the moderators need more training on objectivity.
BillG once said "you get through all of _The Art of Computer Programming_, send me a resume". This may have been back when MS actually paid top $$ for good programmers. Who burned out and churned out crap because they had to meet obscenely short ship dates.
Except there's no proof. Maybe MS offered them a cross-promotional deal?
Am I the only one who'd actually prefer to see them running side by side? I mean if you're going to demo a machine, it makes sense to show that X, Y, and Z will run on it.
And if you don't MIND if people release non-free modifications of your code, so long as you are credited (as the BSD license requires), then you'd arguably be more inclined to think of the BSD license as granting you the author more freedom. If you want to be credited and not see your work twisted into something broken, then the Artistic License is more up your alley. And if you want to ensure that your work will remain free only to those who will keep it free, then GPL is for you.
Getting the picture? RMS is a user's advocate, something the world desperately needs. I just wish he would TRUST the authors once in a while too.
It is most certainly zealotry to not allow the creator of a work a choice over the distribution of his software. RMS claims software is like water or air, when it's more like a water wheel or a windmill. Perhaps no one can truly own the ideas, but the application of those ideas are a creation that can only come about from the effort of its creator.
It's not the GPL that removes the author's choice in this moral view, it's the piracy that RMS condones.
The marketplace has given no ideas? Every single advance in sailing (until it achieved military application at sea itself) was made in pursuit of trade. Just because the marketplace isn't the end-all embodiment of virtue and endeavor doesn't make it dull, dead, or in any way worthless.
DoD standard is likely the NSA standard which repeatedly writes 0x55AA to the disk./dev/random does just as well though. If you need to destroy your data in a hurry though, I would suggest fire.
You think after Apple's litigous past while under Steve Jobs has been FORGOTTEN? If MS started giving away pieces of their source, would we turn around and embrace them wholeheartedly as One Of Us?
Apple isn't in the business of Free Software, and they don't have to be. Perhaps free software is antithetical to corporate interest entirely, and that's just fine, because it takes all types to satisfy all needs. But don't expect me to start marching to Apple's drum anytime soon.
As for Slashdot being agnostic ala Byte in the old days: Since when?
Bzzt hey, pop quiz, what does FUD stand for? This doesn't even get close to being FUD, except perhaps for the uncertaintity caused by vaporware.
Besides, XML as file format still requires some implementation of your transformations (which should be XSL or CSS, sure). If <hangingindent> points to the "hanging indent formatter object", fine by me, it's still human-readable and writeable.
Of course MS doesn't grasp the concept of using readable names and relies on GUID's instead, so you'll probably see tags peppered with GUID's like the OBJECT tag they use for ActiveX controls currently is. The white paper on Windows Scripting Host is great for a laugh:
The scripting engine does not use the SCRIPT tag or LANGUAGE attribute (used in HTML); instead, it relies on the extension of the file. This way, the scriptwriter does not have to be familiar with the exact ProgID of various script engines. The scripting host maintains a mapping of the script extensions to ProgIDs and uses the Windows association model to launch the appropriate engine.
This is the state of the art from MS? File extensions? ProgID's? Funny, I have no problem remembering a symbolic ProgID like, oh, #!/usr/bin/perl. And MS is trying to play in the unix ballpark? Microsoft is gonna learn a very hard lesson very soon.
Konquerer is the user-agent name of kfm. As for it beating Mozilla, the scuttlebutt I've been hearing is that it's the other way around, that it will itself use Mozilla. Certainly TT has shown interest in wrapping browsers in Qt, so they may even do it themselves instead of leaving it to the KDE project. And I didn't even know kfm did javascript. Pretty groovy. Still feels a little sparse for a browser (I use the link icon and toolbar folders a lot in netscape for example)
When Windows gets multiple desktops, a stickpin widget (for those desktops), windowshade as a standard feature, and a panel, and lets me reorder the window decorations, lemme know. Then there's themability, though I hear there's themers for windows that are pretty good now. I always found the relief look of the widgets looked more like OS/2 than anything else.
Though windows does do one thing very much right: tap the alt-key, and you go into menu mode (stolen outright from wordperfect mind you) where you navigate with the arrow keys. I really really like that little touch.
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Join the rebellion? Please.
Now for themes: I have not seen one single new enduser demand themes. Possibly mac users, who are used to kaleidoscope, but every single windows desktop I've seen my users and friends use is using, not surprisingly, standard widget appearances, despite the availablity of third-party theming packs. Usually they are set to some garish neon-shaded color theme like pink or pastel green, while I myself actually stick to the default (so sue me, I like blue).
Multithreading: Long as an application is responsive, end-users don't care what the architecture is. Moving toward multithreading can be a big disaster though: Java's AWT was threadsafe, and all those synchronized update methods were a big part of the reason it was so ungodly SLOW. Swing actually dropped the threadsafeness for that reason.
Someone might write such a thunking layer if it weren't certain to be godawful slow, if gtk were decently documented, and gtk provided all the same functionality as qt (not saying qt has more, just different).
hear me? DOCUMENT THE DAMN TOOLKIT. DYI and WTFM (write the f**ing manual) is not an appropriate answer for someone trying to learn the toolkit in the first place.
Hah. C vs C++. Mico vs ORBit. Qt+Harmony vs GTK+. kwm vs wm-agnosticism. koffice vs gnome-office. organization vs ad hoc. and just the overarching need to advocate supremacy of one's particular choice to pump up one's ego.
Fact: Free unixen ala Linux and FreeBSD, and NT are the only two server OS's gaining in market share (if I may group Linux and FreeBSD together there). They are dividing the world between them and MS can't dispute the numbers. Samba does CIFS better than NT. Apache earns plenty of respect on its own merits. Serious database software has been ported to Linux, including monstrous vertical application suites like SAP/R3.
So when will Linux and, well, every other OS that isn't Windows stop rolling over and playing dead in order to "get" Microsoft for antitrust. Claiming on one hand that the OS is far superior, but when a judge asks, whimpering quietly "but we really suck compared to windows". Look, the OS is superior or it isn't, it's growing or it isn't, it competes or it doesn't. Time for a little honesty and a lot of courage.
> While they monitor his mind
Now keep in mind Joel can't control
When the movies begin or end
Because he used those special parts
To make his robot friends
Robot roll call
Cambot!
Gypsy!
Tom Servo!
Crooooooooow!
> if you're wondering how he eats and breathes,
It lost everyone who made it any good.
I sincerely hope this isn't lost in the scorching flames sure to have followed. I feel that the range of moderation should be narrow, perhaps between -20 and +20. Moderation should also be tracked for large deviation: Here's why:
If more than 20 moderators (that's simply 5%, feel free to adjust it maybe to 10% or so) believe that an article is not worth reading, then assuming their opinions are reasoned, further weighing in on the article is really quite redundant. There should be no need for moderators to get into the "dogpile" effect, where they wish to further cram down a particularly objectionable post and basically stoke a sense of righteousness that shouldn't be allowed to be raised to that level. Furthermore, trolls might actually shoot for the lowest score they can get. They'd disappear off most peoples' screens quickly enough, but a side game might well appear for "lowballing". This would also tend to defuse tendencies for a trend in moderation of an article to become "runaway" -- more on that later.
I don't know if a moderator can only increase or decrease by 1. If not, it would certainly be a wise idea or one rogue moderator would be a disaster.
As for a low ceiling, let's not make a hugely high moderation score become a mark of celebrity, or worse, fandom. If 50 moderators will mark upward everything Bruce Perens says, then at least it would stop at 20. You'd also have a problem with the moderators in that respect. You could also run into ridiculous value distinctions between a +100 article and one that was "merely" +50. Dogpile effect there too, let's not inflate someone's ego by getting posters clamoring "let's put him over the 200 mark, c'mon moderators".
Finally, I would urge you to keep track of the total number of moderation marks on a post and not *just* alter the score. If 100 mark it upward and 100 mark it downward, you have a serious split in opinion which is obviously marked by widely different values in "what's worth reading", and while it may be appropriate (perhaps something highly inflammatory but thought-provoking, like the "anti-arab virus" article), there's another very likely possibility: that the moderators need more training on objectivity.
I hope you give this serious consideration.
I hear bookstores sometimes have more than one copy of a book. Wild, eh?
BillG once said "you get through all of _The Art of Computer Programming_, send me a resume". This may have been back when MS actually paid top $$ for good programmers. Who burned out and churned out crap because they had to meet obscenely short ship dates.
Compile that as native code and tell me how big it is. Makes C++ look darn lean.
Perhaps one should make a pro-microsoft news website called \. then :)
Except there's no proof. Maybe MS offered them a cross-promotional deal?
Am I the only one who'd actually prefer to see them running side by side? I mean if you're going to demo a machine, it makes sense to show that X, Y, and Z will run on it.
And if you don't MIND if people release non-free modifications of your code, so long as you are credited (as the BSD license requires), then you'd arguably be more inclined to think of the BSD license as granting you the author more freedom. If you want to be credited and not see your work twisted into something broken, then the Artistic License is more up your alley. And if you want to ensure that your work will remain free only to those who will keep it free, then GPL is for you.
Getting the picture? RMS is a user's advocate, something the world desperately needs. I just wish he would TRUST the authors once in a while too.
It is most certainly zealotry to not allow the creator of a work a choice over the distribution of his software. RMS claims software is like water or air, when it's more like a water wheel or a windmill. Perhaps no one can truly own the ideas, but the application of those ideas are a creation that can only come about from the effort of its creator.
It's not the GPL that removes the author's choice in this moral view, it's the piracy that RMS condones.
The marketplace has given no ideas? Every single advance in sailing (until it achieved military application at sea itself) was made in pursuit of trade. Just because the marketplace isn't the end-all embodiment of virtue and endeavor doesn't make it dull, dead, or in any way worthless.
DoD standard is likely the NSA standard which repeatedly writes 0x55AA to the disk. /dev/random does just as well though. If you need to destroy your data in a hurry though, I would suggest fire.
how about the dot heads?
someone had to say it.
anyhow, methinks sun is going to take a very dim view of their "dot com" slogan (regardless of its stupidity)
You think after Apple's litigous past while under Steve Jobs has been FORGOTTEN? If MS started giving away pieces of their source, would we turn around and embrace them wholeheartedly as One Of Us?
Apple isn't in the business of Free Software, and they don't have to be. Perhaps free software is antithetical to corporate interest entirely, and that's just fine, because it takes all types to satisfy all needs. But don't expect me to start marching to Apple's drum anytime soon.
As for Slashdot being agnostic ala Byte in the old days: Since when?
OpenLook, CDE, command line, and in my case, KDE now. Now if I could only get it to grok the multiheaded display thing...
Hitachi? Don't they make gas grills?
Besides, XML as file format still requires some implementation of your transformations (which should be XSL or CSS, sure). If <hangingindent> points to the "hanging indent formatter object", fine by me, it's still human-readable and writeable.
Of course MS doesn't grasp the concept of using readable names and relies on GUID's instead, so you'll probably see tags peppered with GUID's like the OBJECT tag they use for ActiveX controls currently is. The white paper on Windows Scripting Host is great for a laugh:
This is the state of the art from MS? File extensions? ProgID's? Funny, I have no problem remembering a symbolic ProgID like, oh, #!/usr/bin/perl. And MS is trying to play in the unix ballpark? Microsoft is gonna learn a very hard lesson very soon.
Konquerer is the user-agent name of kfm. As for it beating Mozilla, the scuttlebutt I've been hearing is that it's the other way around, that it will itself use Mozilla. Certainly TT has shown interest in wrapping browsers in Qt, so they may even do it themselves instead of leaving it to the KDE project. And I didn't even know kfm did javascript. Pretty groovy. Still feels a little sparse for a browser (I use the link icon and toolbar folders a lot in netscape for example)
When Windows gets multiple desktops, a stickpin widget (for those desktops), windowshade as a standard feature, and a panel, and lets me reorder the window decorations, lemme know. Then there's themability, though I hear there's themers for windows that are pretty good now. I always found the relief look of the widgets looked more like OS/2 than anything else.
Though windows does do one thing very much right: tap the alt-key, and you go into menu mode (stolen outright from wordperfect mind you) where you navigate with the arrow keys. I really really like that little touch.
yeah well they boil their meat and drive on the wrong side of the road too so PTHPTHPTHPTH.... :)
It's a KDE-programming communist nazi first-poster beowulf cluster of a proprietary microsoft FUD troller.
Wonder what the moderation on THAT will look like