Good point, but House/24/Lost and you name it are basically fta. All of these progs on torrent have had the ads cut out and it's obvious that they're not dvd rips. So you can point the gun at me and I'll happily download the next season(s). Anyway, it's emus you have to worry about in Alabama. The roos are tame.
The question is, how do you know what copyright infringement is so you can avoid doing it?
In most legal systems, ignorance is not an excuse. Consequently it is up to you to find out if it is copyrighted. Take for example the internet archive which has lots of public domain media available for unencumbered download. Before you are able to upload anything, you must prove that there are no encumbrances on the file. Same with mp3/video/software. It's up to you to work that out. Now if you were mentally handicapped or were coerced into downloading and can prove that, then you're in the clear.
You make some excellent points. These are still early days. The majority of internet users globally (this is a generalisation) have bread and butter plans (small caps/low speed) and have no desire or unable to file-share. Those who are able (paying or stealing bandwith) are the target of the music/film industry, filter proponents and government lobbyists (sorry, another generalisation). If the combined pirate parties of the world get their way, then the distribution arm of the media industries will fall apart or become ineffectual. When that happens, then there is no choice for consumers and artists but to upload/download using some kind of business model. What could that model be?
I suppose that's why I'm a luddite. VHS was good. Vinyl was good. Copying video/vinyl on tape actually degraded the quality. Each generation got worse. Playing the originals would eventually wear them out. Although it allowed free copying (before Macrovision), it also was a boon to the media industry as re-releases were sought after and sold well. Also commercial TV never had it better. It was the media industry that stuffed themselves up by digitizing their product. For the short term, they earned billions with new CD/DVD sales until someone worked out how to rip a cd. Then their bubble slowly started to deflate as the internet became the new distribution arm. Now as a consumer, I do want access to media, and I'm happy to pay for it. However I'm finding that some media is hard to get and only available by download from somewhere. This is because they are just not available commercially. Who do I pay? Who wants my money for the download I want? There's no-one! Same thing for buying 2nd-hand. The distribution arm gets nothing in this case. Digital media can be bought and sold legally. Maybe - "Donate to the artist" links in torrents?
Well if you think about it, you pay the isp, not the music industry or copyright holders. The music industry quote is a bit of a wakeup call on the concept of 'free file-sharing'. If you are a p2p downloader, then work out how much you've spent on hardware/software, your time and skill (pro-rata if you desire) and regular payments to whomever to keep the services running. It amounts to a significant recurring charge. Also what about the down-time when you are not P2P-ing? That's wasted bandwith and capacity that you're paying for. The point being is that it is not free and if the RIAA/MPAA or local equivalent is upset about that, then it's the ISP who will be faced with some form of tax or levy because presently there is no other way around it. The entertainment industry hasn't monitarised copyrighted P2P - I don't think it can. It's expensive to sue infringers, as downloading seems to be legal but uploading (the sharing bit) is illegal, so it's the P2P software at fault here and government intervention by lobbyists is restrictive to personal freedom and the 'free net' philosophy.
Lily Allen is still going to complete her tour, but states that she won't release another track. This is very interesting as tours and tour promotion can go ahead without the arm of the RIAA. Live performances may be the key in all of this. No more digital tracks to download, just go to the live performance instead. If you are an existing band or new band/singer then YouTube/Radio/FTA/Web is the way to promote your goods and make money by touring, wholesale video tracks to Apple and put up with crappy YouTube video of bits of your live concerts.
But $40 for cable, $40 for internet, $20+ for movies, $70 for games, etc., etc., is more than I choose to pay. Let people take a slice of my income, and they'll get $30-$50/mo. out of me for entertainment, no problem, instead of the $0 they're getting right now.
You're sort of hitting on the hidden legitimacy of this. P2P isn't free. It is a monthly cost you pay to your ISP (if you use P2P that is). So a P2P 'entertainment tax' on ISPs???
I agree. SG Atlantis is a great example. I wound up buying the series as the P2P versions were FTA and poorly cut. Also, trying to assemble a series of ST Voyager episodes or for that matter any older torrents is almost impossible as the torrents die quickly. To P2P successfully one needs to download at the peak of popularity and catch the wave, so in my mind, P2P is only a temporary preview of things to come. Where its valuable is to catch TV or series episodes that you weren't around to record or watch. I can't see anything wrong with that. And, if you wait long enough, the DVDs become cheaper and much more attractive as they become more affordable.
Well I'm still hooked on 2 games: Age of Empires 1 and 2 and Return To Castle Wolfenstein. *No Cheats* In AOE I've run races between various units to find the fastest etc. Where possible, I build a wall around an AI town centre and watch the AI keep pumping out villagers with nothing to do. Killing birds is fun but hard to do. Eventually all the birds die. Herding gazelles and elephants is possible, walling them off in an enclosure. Stealing resources from the enemy AI landscape is the easiest way of winning campaigns. Working out the game triggers and avoiding them is also fun. It's also possible to demolish your own buildings to avoid being seen by the AI in some campaigns. That means you can concentrate on upgrading before you attack. Beating your own time for a win is a continuous challenge.
The best part of RTCW is the return to the church where there's a bunch of SS dolls trying to kill you. On this level, I've gotten 2 of them to jump to their doom - took a capture of it too! http://s598.photobucket.com/albums/tt63/PickerAUS/Nazi/?albumview=slideshow The last capture has one of them falling directly on me and I suffered some hit points because of that!
Also, very occasionally, you can get the last boss to follow you into the cave entrance and then run past, demolishing the entrance and trapping him inside. After finishing off the ghosts and zombies, you can go back and take pot shots at him until he dies and you win the game. No captures of that though.
The birds that fly around in Age Of Empires 2 are worth nothing for food, but can be killed if they are close enough to a villager. There's a nice little explosion as a reward!
My thoughts exactly. Think about it: Both machines' HD dead? Both wiped clean? No recovery possible? Disgruntled owner? The Avsim membership is very loyal and have downloaded all of the binaries (multiple times) on the servers anyway.
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(cough cough) You could be right (cough cough). I haven't seen a telephone sanitizer for a long (cough cough) time! (cough, hack, cough).
Well it didn't happen due to a lot of local council laws and other organizations with different agendas. Most cable is overhead and not underground and is owned by either Optus or Foxtel. Foxtel isn't a telco. Optus had to duplicate their cable runs in some locations too. Even though there is a level of co-operation between the two, asking them to pool resources like that is just too logical for commercial enterprise. Local Councils decided it looks ugly and has stopped overhead cable from being strung in many localities. As for why Optus has not included phone/videophone? That I don't know, but probably it would be commercially unfeasible to provide that service to so few customers. Tasmanian fiber optic is another story. They've had the link for years, but nobody has bothered to connect it up yet. But I believe they will be the first. Maybe I should move down there?
Aha! Someone who can actually see the trees in the forest. Well done! This infrastructure building (and there's more in the pipeline), will benefit everyone.
Errr... Look at the big picture for a while. Massive infrastructure projects helped pull a lot of countries out of the Great Depression in the 30's - except maybe Germany that spent all of their gdp on militarizing. It's the jobs that count here. More infrastructure projects like Canberra's new terminal, rail, inland ports, schools and so on, on a State and National level is only good and probably the best strategy. Yes, $2000/head of population is a lot of money, but Joe Blow can invest in it via bonds, get a job through it, and use it 6 years from now. It also involves every industry, from building towers, ditches, cable making, a whole pile of IT work as well as providing continued employment in many sectors for years to come.
Read a bit of history damn it! Their families fought wars of conquest and won. Then they created empires with massive economic, social and industrial might That's how they got the money. It's called 'Old Money' and lots of the rich=titled people in the Old World have lots of it floating about. And to see who owned who, check out the flag of the British East India company and compare it the to Stars and Stripes.
It changed the day you could go to the local airport and catch a flight to London.
I'd rather go to the Greek Islands. Maybe even live there, drinking coffee, eating souvlaki, pouring retsina down the drain and sampling their myriad forms of Ouzo. Although I appreciate Rembetika from a distance, I'd be listening to Bonzo Dog instead while watching Falcon 9 pass overhead.
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Good point, but House/24/Lost and you name it are basically fta.
All of these progs on torrent have had the ads cut out and it's obvious that they're not dvd rips. So you can point the gun at me and I'll happily download the next season(s). Anyway, it's emus you have to worry about in Alabama. The roos are tame.
The question is, how do you know what copyright infringement is so you can avoid doing it?
In most legal systems, ignorance is not an excuse. Consequently it is up to you to find out if it is copyrighted.
Take for example the internet archive which has lots of public domain media available for unencumbered download. Before you are able to upload anything, you must prove that there are no encumbrances on the file.
Same with mp3/video/software. It's up to you to work that out.
Now if you were mentally handicapped or were coerced into downloading and can prove that, then you're in the clear.
Bach is worse than his byte
Can we give mod points to YouTube?
It's brilliant!
You make some excellent points.
These are still early days. The majority of internet users globally (this is a generalisation) have bread and butter plans (small caps/low speed) and have no desire or unable to file-share.
Those who are able (paying or stealing bandwith) are the target of the music/film industry, filter proponents and government lobbyists (sorry, another generalisation).
If the combined pirate parties of the world get their way, then the distribution arm of the media industries will fall apart or become ineffectual. When that happens, then there is no choice for consumers and artists but to upload/download using some kind of business model. What could that model be?
I suppose that's why I'm a luddite. VHS was good. Vinyl was good. Copying video/vinyl on tape actually degraded the quality. Each generation got worse. Playing the originals would eventually wear them out. Although it allowed free copying (before Macrovision), it also was a boon to the media industry as re-releases were sought after and sold well. Also commercial TV never had it better.
It was the media industry that stuffed themselves up by digitizing their product. For the short term, they earned billions with new CD/DVD sales until someone worked out how to rip a cd. Then their bubble slowly started to deflate as the internet became the new distribution arm.
Now as a consumer, I do want access to media, and I'm happy to pay for it. However I'm finding that some media is hard to get and only available by download from somewhere. This is because they are just not available commercially. Who do I pay? Who wants my money for the download I want?
There's no-one!
Same thing for buying 2nd-hand. The distribution arm gets nothing in this case. Digital media can be bought and sold legally.
Maybe - "Donate to the artist" links in torrents?
Well if you think about it, you pay the isp, not the music industry or copyright holders. The music industry quote is a bit of a wakeup call on the concept of 'free file-sharing'.
If you are a p2p downloader, then work out how much you've spent on hardware/software, your time and skill (pro-rata if you desire) and regular payments to whomever to keep the services running. It amounts to a significant recurring charge. Also what about the down-time when you are not P2P-ing? That's wasted bandwith and capacity that you're paying for.
The point being is that it is not free and if the RIAA/MPAA or local equivalent is upset about that, then it's the ISP who will be faced with some form of tax or levy because presently there is no other way around it. The entertainment industry hasn't monitarised copyrighted P2P - I don't think it can. It's expensive to sue infringers, as downloading seems to be legal but uploading (the sharing bit) is illegal, so it's the P2P software at fault here and government intervention by lobbyists is restrictive to personal freedom and the 'free net' philosophy.
Lily Allen is still going to complete her tour, but states that she won't release another track. This is very interesting as tours and tour promotion can go ahead without the arm of the RIAA. Live performances may be the key in all of this. No more digital tracks to download, just go to the live performance instead. If you are an existing band or new band/singer then YouTube/Radio/FTA/Web is the way to promote your goods and make money by touring, wholesale video tracks to Apple and put up with crappy YouTube video of bits of your live concerts.
Well the obvious sound should be the sound of the EV's electro-mechanicals amplified through a speaker.
Sirius Cybernetics Corporation?
That's exactly what I was thinking... an Anti-Doppler effect. That way no one knows you're coming but they can still hear you.
But $40 for cable, $40 for internet, $20+ for movies, $70 for games, etc., etc., is more than I choose to pay. Let people take a slice of my income, and they'll get $30-$50/mo. out of me for entertainment, no problem, instead of the $0 they're getting right now.
You're sort of hitting on the hidden legitimacy of this. P2P isn't free. It is a monthly cost you pay to your ISP (if you use P2P that is). So a P2P 'entertainment tax' on ISPs???
I agree. SG Atlantis is a great example. I wound up buying the series as the P2P versions were FTA and poorly cut.
Also, trying to assemble a series of ST Voyager episodes or for that matter any older torrents is almost impossible as the torrents die quickly.
To P2P successfully one needs to download at the peak of popularity and catch the wave, so in my mind, P2P is only a temporary preview of things to come.
Where its valuable is to catch TV or series episodes that you weren't around to record or watch. I can't see anything wrong with that.
And, if you wait long enough, the DVDs become cheaper and much more attractive as they become more affordable.
but meme is a meme!
Well I'm still hooked on 2 games: Age of Empires 1 and 2 and Return To Castle Wolfenstein.
*No Cheats*
In AOE I've run races between various units to find the fastest etc.
Where possible, I build a wall around an AI town centre and watch the AI keep pumping out villagers with nothing to do.
Killing birds is fun but hard to do. Eventually all the birds die.
Herding gazelles and elephants is possible, walling them off in an enclosure.
Stealing resources from the enemy AI landscape is the easiest way of winning campaigns.
Working out the game triggers and avoiding them is also fun.
It's also possible to demolish your own buildings to avoid being seen by the AI in some campaigns. That means you can concentrate on upgrading before you attack.
Beating your own time for a win is a continuous challenge.
The best part of RTCW is the return to the church where there's a bunch of SS dolls trying to kill you. On this level, I've gotten 2 of them to jump to their doom - took a capture of it too!
http://s598.photobucket.com/albums/tt63/PickerAUS/Nazi/?albumview=slideshow
The last capture has one of them falling directly on me and I suffered some hit points because of that!
Also, very occasionally, you can get the last boss to follow you into the cave entrance and then run past, demolishing the entrance and trapping him inside. After finishing off the ghosts and zombies, you can go back and take pot shots at him until he dies and you win the game. No captures of that though.
The birds that fly around in Age Of Empires 2 are worth nothing for food, but can be killed if they are close enough to a villager. There's a nice little explosion as a reward!
you weren't committing the far, far worse offense of using Hungarian notation.
It has its uses.
My thoughts exactly.
Think about it: Both machines' HD dead? Both wiped clean? No recovery possible? Disgruntled owner? The Avsim membership is very loyal and have downloaded all of the binaries (multiple times) on the servers anyway.
(cough cough) You could be right (cough cough). I haven't seen a telephone sanitizer for a long (cough cough) time! (cough, hack, cough).
it could create Dover Death Squads or K-tel assassins.
I'm sure that Time-Life Music would be interested in that concept. Killing off has-been pop stars would be right up their tin-pan alley.
Well it didn't happen due to a lot of local council laws and other organizations with different agendas.
Most cable is overhead and not underground and is owned by either Optus or Foxtel. Foxtel isn't a telco. Optus had to duplicate their cable runs in some locations too. Even though there is a level of co-operation between the two, asking them to pool resources like that is just too logical for commercial enterprise.
Local Councils decided it looks ugly and has stopped overhead cable from being strung in many localities.
As for why Optus has not included phone/videophone? That I don't know, but probably it would be commercially unfeasible to provide that service to so few customers.
Tasmanian fiber optic is another story. They've had the link for years, but nobody has bothered to connect it up yet. But I believe they will be the first.
Maybe I should move down there?
Aha! Someone who can actually see the trees in the forest. Well done!
This infrastructure building (and there's more in the pipeline), will benefit everyone.
Errr... Look at the big picture for a while. Massive infrastructure projects helped pull a lot of countries out of the Great Depression in the 30's - except maybe Germany that spent all of their gdp on militarizing.
It's the jobs that count here. More infrastructure projects like Canberra's new terminal, rail, inland ports, schools and so on, on a State and National level is only good and probably the best strategy.
Yes, $2000/head of population is a lot of money, but Joe Blow can invest in it via bonds, get a job through it, and use it 6 years from now. It also involves every industry, from building towers, ditches, cable making, a whole pile of IT work as well as providing continued employment in many sectors for years to come.
Read a bit of history damn it! Their families fought wars of conquest and won. Then they created empires with massive economic, social and industrial might That's how they got the money. It's called 'Old Money' and lots of the rich=titled people in the Old World have lots of it floating about.
And to see who owned who, check out the flag of the British East India company and compare it the to Stars and Stripes.
Hmmm.. That should make her a Damsel me thinks, for a Dame is a lady Lord.
Now I'm gender confused for what a Lady knight should be termed.
Maybe. I was wondering if there will be balls of fire on takeoff. That would be a sight.
Hope someone takes a pic.
It changed the day you could go to the local airport and catch a flight to London.
I'd rather go to the Greek Islands. Maybe even live there, drinking coffee, eating souvlaki, pouring retsina down the drain and sampling their myriad forms of Ouzo. Although I appreciate Rembetika from a distance, I'd be listening to Bonzo Dog instead while watching Falcon 9 pass overhead.