Pauls done some really awesome stuff. Whoever took that jab at him in the article should really be ashamed. Transmeta is his, these toys were his, he has a kick ass movie theater, and has done tons for technology. Lets see some respect where it is due --jay
Microsoft has innovated and done lightyears in consumer computing. I dont think too many customers feel hurt by Microsoft. And when i say customers, think the greater picture...
How much it has done is exactly the issue. One part of "abusing" a monopoly involves hurting consumers. How much hurt have they done? Everyone packages a browser with their system. Netscape comes with Debian. IE comes with MacOS (i think, along with netscape).
Tearing MS into little pieces would hurt the way MS does business since they are able to rapidly develop technologies that help consumers, thus slowing down the deployment of better consumer based products.
Im going out on a limb here, but i totally agree. Microsoft has done tons more for the industry than what people realise. Dont be so eager to tear down that took so long to build. Rome wasnt built in a day, but it could be burnt in one. --jay
I would think that settlement was not in the government's interest. They are LOOKING for a reason to take down big bad Microsoft. All they are doing is opening up a big wave of "im losing in the marketplace so i can sue my competitots for being unfair". Its an election year. They need people to feel like some sort of whacked justice is being served. Its going to hurt the industry in ways people cant dream of right now. for every linux user, there are at least 2 windows users who are going to be hurt by this decision --jay
Level the OS playing field? To do what? Anything he does is not going to affect the PC operating system market for years. Sure linux might encorporate any changes they make public, or it would give some people more time to catch up in usability, but there is no one waiting in the wings to come out with a new OS. Nothing here would benefit anyone except out of spite, which is ridiculous.
And here's why: 1) Its a video codec, codex scream licence, licence screams proprietary (in this case). 2) The macintosh is bathed in quicktime enhancements. In fact that is really one of the HUGE selling points of the macintosh.. quicktime. Why would it give up its homecourt advantage to a rogue like linux? No real advantage 3) There are certain things by which opening the code of a previously closed source app would expose major segments of information. (The code perhaps is really crappy.) The paradigm shift would be hard across the board. Why not open source MacOS? Why not open source sherlock technologies? Its not in their best interest. At ALL. 4) Apple is short on manpower now, from what i hear. my.02 --jay
This is a such an awesome idea. We should tell more people about the "internet cleanup". It would be the single most glorious day of bandwith freedom on the planet.
I am all for it... because of course its necessary;)
Here's what it comes down to. NVIDIA needs to watch its back. Can anyone really blame them for this? The chip maker market is ugly right now. I think that they are doing the right thing by trying to keep themselves in business. PI is a necessary evil, when you are trying to make money off of something that inherently involves the divulging of secrets, such as linux. Right now they have an advantage in the graphics card market over competitors 3dfx and the like. They are making steps in the "right" direction as people put it towards more global efforts, but all in all, its really hard to stay afloat when you tell people exactly how your stuff works. In come the clone chips, and then BOOM you are out of business. Now i think open source is pretty cool, dont get me wrong, but lets face it, NVIDIA has the right idea. Why not thank them for the binary driver, and then hope in some time they'll release the source code for it, and people can improve upon it. I think their main market here is the Win9x/2000 bracket. Its a good thing they recognize linux, as it is a good thing for the market. NVIDIA, in my mind, you are doing the right thing. Keep your jobs, and release the binary driver. --jay
I work in politics.. i am very involved in a lot of local campaigns. Our work is just as meaningful as anyone else's. the president's job is stressful, he has to make deadlines. we all have a place, its just that geeks get to play with the big price tag toys. no more no less --jay
A geek lobby? In the grand scheme of things, such a notion is absurd... What would it stand for.. the ability to reverse engineer, to emulate, to imitate? Wake up.
There are greater issues at hand. Fight for small battles such as the DVD encryption now, but there is no place for something that affects so few people.
And i think it is very arrogant to say that "geeks" do the real work, that is to say to put aside teachers, and social workers, and doctors do nothing with their time. Solving problems has its place, but also there are other professions who do very meaningful work.
We push forward the boundaries of computing, and this is important to society, but lets wake up, there is no issue here, IMO. Society has more important things to tackle first. Lets take a number...
exactly. Just because a closed source author writes it, it is inherently no better or worse than a singularly mantained "open source" project. money doesnt buy good code, it just buys a lot of coders.
For years, Big Blue has been a powerhouse in technology. They stumbled to the likes of Microsoft years ago, but seem to be on a comeback. Two stories alone today in slashdot tell this reader that perhaps it is time to look in the old powerhouses for our power. Little scrappers like AMD rush out their big new technology, such as thier 1ghtz, and then race to get out their next bit to stay competitive.
Perhaps we should start looking back to some of the old powerhouses. While it seems like Microsoft is turning into IBM, HP and Big Blue seek to re-invent themselves. HP is going back to their "Garage workshop" roots.
So are we looking at the right place? The new kids are falling back into old corporate ways, and fresh blood under old names seems to be producing a lot. Even companies that pride themselves on innovation (Apple) are playing catch-up to whats out there.
Are we looking in the right place. Who is holding the next big killer tech secret?
Unix is the cockroach of the computing world. Its too proliferated to squash it, and when humans eventually destroy themselves, aliens will be able to check their email when they get here on it.
Point is, the industry is so big that it is wayy to hard to re-invent the wheel. Its taken too long to watch Unix reach maturity, that even with the experienced gained.. it would take too long to produce a real competitor..Think of how long OS development takes.. some of the ideas for windows 2000 were on the boards before 95 left the gates. Unix has taken 20 years to come this far. Thats an awfully large codebase.
If there is a competitor, we'll see it coming, and so will our grandchildren.
Of course the star trek episodes will get a little more predictable:
[jlpicard to jlaforge: warp 9 laforge...] jlaforge@enterprise ~ 22:22:11> s jlpicard "ill get right on it captain...it should be right here" jlaforge@enterprise ~ 22:23:48> man warpdrive
He cant hold them forever.. he'll just lose them in court to the people who have respective trademarks, unless they put up a service called audiograbber, or metacrawler... although i doubt that. Its trademark infringement, and its up to the companies to shoo him off their trademarks --jay
I hope the genre doesnt die. It would be like having a degree in PacMan.. Doesnt being a tad too specialized frighten them? The industry changes too fast to learn toolsets, but arent what they are learning be better applied on the job? good luck to them all --jay
When my mom can use linux, then its ready. When the notion of kernel compilation is backgrounded but still available, then its ready. When drivers become available with almost every device, then its ready. When software comes on the same disk as Windows , then its ready. When X is universal, and easy to program for, then its ready. When there is a serious, compatable office suite. then its ready When there are "wizards" and automated tasks, so that nmere mortals can accomplish important tasks such as networking, then it is ready When there is a startup screen to lilo, then it is ready When linux has a true help system, then it is ready When linux, and linux users do not put themselves above the average man and adopt the attitude of true community, then it is ready.
Linux and we the linux users do not think of the marketability of the platform. There is no usability, there is little actual community vision for public use, and there is little initiative to make linux really usable. Its going to be a while before this OS as we know it finds itself in the hands of our grandmothers. Non-techie people look for easy of use, and im not about whether bash completes command structures. Real world scenarios. Ease of setup is getting much better. X is starting to get real.. but things are lightyears away from a positive average user experience. When there is no mention of the world kernel anywhere in basic user setup of linux, then we'll talk. --jay
sure, and who cares about people who post shit about a really cool thing. Who cares about people who have nothing better to do with their time. And who cares about rubber ostriches. Ha! got you on that last one! --jay
Its really awesome that people do things for charities.. like real , honest to god charities. Its too bad that these organizations have a hard time geetting funds on their own. oh well --jay
The thing is, all of the mathematical methods they use are explained. By sheer mass of user base, bugs will come out, and get ironse dout quickly. people publish their own open source libraries and the like, and the ones maple provide have usually been mathematically proven. You can use a math cookbook, or even do out a calculation by hand to prove it..that is what they have done.. Its not like what they are doing isnt documented. You can get a mth book almost anywhere. Those formulae get plugged in, adapted to the model via functions, and then it gets crunched out I dont see where the source code is going to help spot a bug in this instance. In graphics code, or in drivers, or in os kernel code perhaps, but this is math.
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Pauls done some really awesome stuff. Whoever took that jab at him in the article should really be ashamed. Transmeta is his, these toys were his, he has a kick ass movie theater, and has done tons for technology. Lets see some respect where it is due --jay
Microsoft has innovated and done lightyears in consumer computing. I dont think too many customers feel hurt by Microsoft. And when i say customers, think the greater picture...
How much it has done is exactly the issue. One part of "abusing" a monopoly involves hurting consumers. How much hurt have they done? Everyone packages a browser with their system. Netscape comes with Debian. IE comes with MacOS (i think, along with netscape).
Tearing MS into little pieces would hurt the way MS does business since they are able to rapidly develop technologies that help consumers, thus slowing down the deployment of better consumer based products.
it is about what they do.
--jay
Im going out on a limb here, but i totally agree. Microsoft has done tons more for the industry than what people realise. Dont be so eager to tear down that took so long to build. Rome wasnt built in a day, but it could be burnt in one. --jay
There is a Microsoft campus in mountainveiw.
Its across the street from SGI, and around the corner from Lycos.
just thought yous like to know
--jay
I would think that settlement was not in the government's interest. They are LOOKING for a reason to take down big bad Microsoft. All they are doing is opening up a big wave of "im losing in the marketplace so i can sue my competitots for being unfair". Its an election year. They need people to feel like some sort of whacked justice is being served. Its going to hurt the industry in ways people cant dream of right now. for every linux user, there are at least 2 windows users who are going to be hurt by this decision --jay
Level the OS playing field? To do what? Anything he does is not going to affect the PC operating system market for years. Sure linux might encorporate any changes they make public, or it would give some people more time to catch up in usability, but there is no one waiting in the wings to come out with a new OS. Nothing here would benefit anyone except out of spite, which is ridiculous.
There is no playing field to level.
--jay
And here's why: 1) Its a video codec, codex scream licence, licence screams proprietary (in this case). 2) The macintosh is bathed in quicktime enhancements. In fact that is really one of the HUGE selling points of the macintosh.. quicktime. Why would it give up its homecourt advantage to a rogue like linux? No real advantage 3) There are certain things by which opening the code of a previously closed source app would expose major segments of information. (The code perhaps is really crappy.) The paradigm shift would be hard across the board. Why not open source MacOS? Why not open source sherlock technologies? Its not in their best interest. At ALL. 4) Apple is short on manpower now, from what i hear. my .02 --jay
They seem to be all about advances for linux, yet they are using active server pages. Ahh the industry is interesting like that. --jay
This is a such an awesome idea. We should tell more people about the "internet cleanup". It would be the single most glorious day of bandwith freedom on the planet.
;)
I am all for it... because of course its necessary
--jay
Here's what it comes down to. NVIDIA needs to watch its back. Can anyone really blame them for this? The chip maker market is ugly right now. I think that they are doing the right thing by trying to keep themselves in business. PI is a necessary evil, when you are trying to make money off of something that inherently involves the divulging of secrets, such as linux. Right now they have an advantage in the graphics card market over competitors 3dfx and the like. They are making steps in the "right" direction as people put it towards more global efforts, but all in all, its really hard to stay afloat when you tell people exactly how your stuff works. In come the clone chips, and then BOOM you are out of business. Now i think open source is pretty cool, dont get me wrong, but lets face it, NVIDIA has the right idea. Why not thank them for the binary driver, and then hope in some time they'll release the source code for it, and people can improve upon it. I think their main market here is the Win9x/2000 bracket. Its a good thing they recognize linux, as it is a good thing for the market. NVIDIA, in my mind, you are doing the right thing. Keep your jobs, and release the binary driver. --jay
I wonder what it will be rated in TV guide?
I work in politics.. i am very involved in a lot of local campaigns. Our work is just as meaningful as anyone else's. the president's job is stressful, he has to make deadlines. we all have a place, its just that geeks get to play with the big price tag toys. no more no less --jay
A geek lobby? In the grand scheme of things, such a notion is absurd... What would it stand for.. the ability to reverse engineer, to emulate, to imitate? Wake up.
There are greater issues at hand. Fight for small battles such as the DVD encryption now, but there is no place for something that affects so few people.
And i think it is very arrogant to say that "geeks" do the real work, that is to say to put aside teachers, and social workers, and doctors do nothing with their time. Solving problems has its place, but also there are other professions who do very meaningful work.
We push forward the boundaries of computing, and this is important to society, but lets wake up, there is no issue here, IMO. Society has more important things to tackle first. Lets take a number...
---jay
exactly. Just because a closed source author writes it, it is inherently no better or worse than a singularly mantained "open source" project.
money doesnt buy good code, it just buys a lot of coders.
Its about the technology, not the crap.
--jay
someone may yet save this? tag=st.ne.1002.thed.1004-200-1575212
go here:
http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1004-200-1575212.html
Go news.com!
I think this is good. it would be an awful waste of technology.. and its a really good idea for civilian use, if only it were cheaper.
--jay
For years, Big Blue has been a powerhouse in technology. They stumbled to the likes of Microsoft years ago, but seem to be on a comeback. Two stories alone today in slashdot tell this reader that perhaps it is time to look in the old powerhouses for our power. Little scrappers like AMD rush out their big new technology, such as thier 1ghtz, and then race to get out their next bit to stay competitive.
Perhaps we should start looking back to some of the old powerhouses. While it seems like Microsoft is turning into IBM, HP and Big Blue seek to re-invent themselves. HP is going back to their "Garage workshop" roots.
So are we looking at the right place? The new kids are falling back into old corporate ways, and fresh blood under old names seems to be producing a lot. Even companies that pride themselves on innovation (Apple) are playing catch-up to whats out there.
Are we looking in the right place. Who is holding the next big killer tech secret?
--jay
Unix is the cockroach of the computing world. Its too proliferated to squash it, and when humans eventually destroy themselves, aliens will be able to check their email when they get here on it.
Point is, the industry is so big that it is wayy to hard to re-invent the wheel. Its taken too long to watch Unix reach maturity, that even with the experienced gained.. it would take too long to produce a real competitor..Think of how long OS development takes.. some of the ideas for windows 2000 were on the boards before 95 left the gates. Unix has taken 20 years to come this far. Thats an awfully large codebase.
If there is a competitor, we'll see it coming, and so will our grandchildren.
Of course the star trek episodes will get a little more predictable:
[jlpicard to jlaforge: warp 9 laforge...]
jlaforge@enterprise ~ 22:22:11> s jlpicard "ill get right on it captain...it should be right here"
jlaforge@enterprise ~ 22:23:48> man warpdrive
--jay
He cant hold them forever.. he'll just lose them in court to the people who have respective trademarks, unless they put up a service called audiograbber, or metacrawler... although i doubt that.
Its trademark infringement, and its up to the companies to shoo him off their trademarks
--jay
what kind of gloves are they giving out? what kind of party is mario throwing?
i hope those arent latex! (not LaTeX!)
--jay
I hope the genre doesnt die. It would be like having a degree in PacMan..
Doesnt being a tad too specialized frighten them? The industry changes too fast to learn toolsets, but arent what they are learning be better applied on the job?
good luck to them all
--jay
When my mom can use linux, then its ready. When the notion of kernel compilation is backgrounded but still available, then its ready.
When drivers become available with almost every device, then its ready.
When software comes on the same disk as Windows , then its ready.
When X is universal, and easy to program for, then its ready.
When there is a serious, compatable office suite. then its ready
When there are "wizards" and automated tasks, so that nmere mortals can accomplish important tasks such as networking, then it is ready
When there is a startup screen to lilo, then it is ready
When linux has a true help system, then it is ready
When linux, and linux users do not put themselves above the average man and adopt the attitude of true community, then it is ready.
Linux and we the linux users do not think of the marketability of the platform. There is no usability, there is little actual community vision for public use, and there is little initiative to make linux really usable. Its going to be a while before this OS as we know it finds itself in the hands of our grandmothers. Non-techie people look for easy of use, and im not about whether bash completes command structures. Real world scenarios. Ease of setup is getting much better. X is starting to get real.. but things are lightyears away from a positive average user experience.
When there is no mention of the world kernel anywhere in basic user setup of linux, then we'll talk.
--jay
Of course they are going to lose money on the development. Proceedes are going to charity. Thats kind of the point
--jay
sure, and who cares about people who post shit about a really cool thing. Who cares about people who have nothing better to do with their time. And who cares about rubber ostriches. Ha! got you on that last one!
--jay
Its really awesome that people do things for charities.. like real , honest to god charities. Its too bad that these organizations have a hard time geetting funds on their own.
oh well
--jay
The thing is, all of the mathematical methods they use are explained. By sheer mass of user base, bugs will come out, and get ironse dout quickly. people publish their own open source libraries and the like, and the ones maple provide have usually been mathematically proven. You can use a math cookbook, or even do out a calculation by hand to prove it. .that is what they have done.. Its not like what they are doing isnt documented. You can get a mth book almost anywhere. Those formulae get plugged in, adapted to the model via functions, and then it gets crunched out I dont see where the source code is going to help spot a bug in this instance. In graphics code, or in drivers, or in os kernel code perhaps, but this is math.