It sounds like Java 9 is the Windows Vista version of Java: it broke backwards compatibility and made users apprehensive to upgrade yet despite that, it was absolutely necessary to increase the quality and the long-term maintainability of the product. Assuming that they didn't make any other major changes that created significant difficulties in upgrading past version 9, I think I agree that Java will be better in the long-term for these changes.
Except Windows Vista was slow as sh!t and Java 9 should be faster than 8
Better metric would be, how many games that I want to play work on Steam on Linux, I promise you the number is far, far lower then the Hackers Quarterly.
How about some citations on what you might want to play? Everything I like to play is there, even titles I'm still considering buying since I still didn't manage to play everything me and my gf own together. And theres is like all recent eldes scrolls except maybe the MMORPG thing, all tomb raider, thief, all of the witcher, planetary annihilation...
About 2, you might run into driver issues in windows as well (ex: periodic crashing in Witcher 2). On wine, depends on the game. Skyrim (not special edition) runs just fine, including with skse, skyui and the ESB shader stuff
I had a conversation on this just Friday, so weird that it's on/. a day later. As a KDE user and Qt developer (who uses Qt). The widget's-only Qt of old was solid. The QtQuick that KDE4 was based on didn't really fit. It's a transition that's still being made.
Stopped reading right there. I'm pretty sure QtQuick disn't exists around KDE4 time and I'm certain none of it is used in the DE. Some stuff in Plasma 5 might use it, but only in the lastests releases and is hard to notice.
Because 'backspace to go back' is default behavior in a lot of programs, not just web browsers. Try it in File Explorer, for example.
Just like F1 being a nearly universal shortcut for 'help', F2 for 'rename', F3 or CTRL+F for 'search', and so on. I shouldn't have to relearn shortcuts for common behaviors in every program I want to use.
Except webpages have lots of inner controls (memos or custom js-controlled stuff) where the user sees text and expect the backspace to delete the prior character. Try that in spreadsheet who share that specific requirement and see if backspace goes to the "prior tabsheet"
So who we can trust to be an Mars colonization expert since no one actually have done it yet? Let's judge the ideas on their own merit, even if they might be a stretch from what we might be able to accomplish with them
What I'd really like is a Javascript-like language - that compiles to efficient Javascript - where I get to structure my application; enforce type constraints at compile-time; provide test-time assertions... etc... and allow me to implement my Javascript application as a collection of independently tested components.
Keep out of Venezuela if you want to keep your precious neutrino sensors. They basically confiscated the brazilian gas plant there and the government is turning into a de-facto dictatorship much like the Cuba of old or worse
Try to use PKCS12 in windows 64bit jvm and see how far you get. Hint: it's non existent because the original code is C and nobody's bothered to compile it because "they didn't have a 64 bits smartcard to test it on"
"One full-time Java programmer told me that he hasn’t had to manually type in any setters and getters in years, and he has a template from which all his objects are typed in automatically, thanks to the code snippet tools in his favorite editor (which isn’t Eclipse—he uses IntelliJ). Clearly, methods of automated typing seem to be a favorite among a lot of programmers. So why did Visual Studio remove a feature that facilitated this? Who knows."
Let's not mention the fact that in C# you don't need to manually type in all the getter/setter junk, just public int MyField {get; set;}
These days in java, I just use Lombok. Put an @Data over your class and it generates everything. Pull in extra @EqualsAndHashCode on entity classes so the Equals/HashCode gets generated on proper business fields for database stuff and done. No more getter/setters needed to be typed and Netbeans even recognize the new methods on save
When people go wrong using spreadsheets it's usually one of a few ways. The one I see the most is when they take what should be a prototype analysis and turn it into a production tool. If you need to put a bunch of buttons and other interface tools on a spreadsheet THEN you are doing it wrong. The second is when they try to take analyzed data involving more than 3 dimensions. While it can be done it rarely is a good idea.
Excel pivot`s is very good as a pivoting tool, and very few applications do it better, and I don't know of any that do so at excel's price range. Calc's version of it it's crap and kinda hard to setup.
On Windows there is no standard widget set that everyone uses, an no agreement on how a widget should behave. Every framework has their own. MFC, WinForms, whatever MS Office uses, Wordperfect, etc.
There are standard widgets provided by the OS, and everyone who uses them will produce apps which look the same, absent customization. There are alternatives, but that doesn't change the fact.
Really? So how to I use those nice office widgets like the excel pivot or word rich text editor (since the one I can use in MFC is crap) in my own native MFC application?
Thats like saying that C/C++ adoption on windows is due to vector locking because that's what the API is built on. Due to that, C-like bridges need to be build into other languages so they could talk to the OS The same can be done to talk to Objective-C
DISCLAIMER: have been dealing with windows api the whole week and is not funny
It's not really just the language. It's the entire programming environment: the language, the library, what system features it allows you to get your hands into and failing that last one, how much the language has "build in" and with how much quality, how much trouble-less it is to run in your target system, how much easy is to build a program around it The major PITA's I have found with "alternative" languages is when building beyond hello-world/clickety demos. Many languages with their respective build environments fail to provide a good desktop infrastructure to build rich apps. Some fail at the web side of it. Some ain't much good at any of it. For windows desktop apps, if you don't provide support for system widgets, you better have a alternative to the build in rich editor with printing support that can just copy/paste to/from office-like software without much trouble. Many focus too much into the "programming" side of it and relegate the integration with everything else to second plan.
In my experience, Microsoft has some of the best backwards compatibility of any vendor out there. Well written C++ and.NET apps on Windows will probably keep working until the heat death of the universe. Meanwhile, Java took a long time to catch on to the fact that the runtime and standard libraries aren't 100% backwards compatible, and that people may actually want to run multiple versions side-by-side. For comparison, every.NET app uses the appropriate runtime automatically.
Java Runtimes are installed side-by-side, even minor versions. And even if you have a grip with a particular installer feature, you can very well get your own folder bundled with the app and it will not touch anything else. Try that with a.NET runtime. I've seen 1.1.NET apps fail to work properly after a 2.0.NET runtime got installed in the system, no way to do otherwise that I know, the only solution was remove everything and stall from scratch and stop the damn f* windows update from messing with the SO.
Last time I used that, I was using compiz, avant-window-manager and gDeslets. I used nautilus as filemanager, but keep in mind this was in the gnome2 days where all you needed was to lauch gnome-settings-daemon and you was set. At this day and age, I use a customized kubuntu, and plasma makes very easy to move stuff around the way I like to do, kwin is working great in 4.7.6 as window manage. The only complaints I got is kopete protocol stability (only recently msn got back to working for me) and lack of a descent SIP phone, so I got to use ekiga for that. I always used thunderbird as mail client and that's unlikely to change since it is mostly desktop-safe, same for chrome (konqueror or rekonq are still too slow;/buggy for general usage)
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I'll throw this out there as a fun out of context quote:
"Ar Viltansou and local officials say they will continue to harvest Garfields from the coastline."
Monsters!
My non-existent criptocoins for mod points, that was as good one
It sounds like Java 9 is the Windows Vista version of Java: it broke backwards compatibility and made users apprehensive to upgrade yet despite that, it was absolutely necessary to increase the quality and the long-term maintainability of the product. Assuming that they didn't make any other major changes that created significant difficulties in upgrading past version 9, I think I agree that Java will be better in the long-term for these changes.
Except Windows Vista was slow as sh!t and Java 9 should be faster than 8
Better metric would be, how many games that I want to play work on Steam on Linux, I promise you the number is far, far lower then the Hackers Quarterly.
How about some citations on what you might want to play? Everything I like to play is there, even titles I'm still considering buying since I still didn't manage to play everything me and my gf own together. And theres is like all recent eldes scrolls except maybe the MMORPG thing, all tomb raider, thief, all of the witcher, planetary annihilation...
I use it everyday for both work and home, breeze dark theme is pretty good for my eyes (and I wear glasses)
About 2, you might run into driver issues in windows as well (ex: periodic crashing in Witcher 2). On wine, depends on the game. Skyrim (not special edition) runs just fine, including with skse, skyui and the ESB shader stuff
Who has the luxury to start a made to last new project from scratch except maybe some opensource zealots?
I had a conversation on this just Friday, so weird that it's on /. a day later. As a KDE user and Qt developer (who uses Qt). The widget's-only Qt of old was solid. The QtQuick that KDE4 was based on didn't really fit. It's a transition that's still being made.
Stopped reading right there. I'm pretty sure QtQuick disn't exists around KDE4 time and I'm certain none of it is used in the DE. Some stuff in Plasma 5 might use it, but only in the lastests releases and is hard to notice.
Because 'backspace to go back' is default behavior in a lot of programs, not just web browsers. Try it in File Explorer, for example.
Just like F1 being a nearly universal shortcut for 'help', F2 for 'rename', F3 or CTRL+F for 'search', and so on. I shouldn't have to relearn shortcuts for common behaviors in every program I want to use.
Except webpages have lots of inner controls (memos or custom js-controlled stuff) where the user sees text and expect the backspace to delete the prior character. Try that in spreadsheet who share that specific requirement and see if backspace goes to the "prior tabsheet"
So who we can trust to be an Mars colonization expert since no one actually have done it yet? Let's judge the ideas on their own merit, even if they might be a stretch from what we might be able to accomplish with them
My note also has optiumus and works properly, testes with Skyrim over wine. The only thing that doesn't work is sound over HDMI using the nvidia card.
I'm installing solar neutrino panels, and facing them down. That way I can get power at night when I really need it.
And it all comes at no charge!
What I'd really like is a Javascript-like language - that compiles to efficient Javascript - where I get to structure my application; enforce type constraints at compile-time; provide test-time assertions... etc... and allow me to implement my Javascript application as a collection of independently tested components.
So you want Ceylon then?
My GF's aunt used to say that when they are little's, you feel like you want to eat them. Once they get to the adolescence, you wonder why you didn't
But if you plug it in the other way round won't the phone charge the car's battery, and the 1's become 0's on the data?
No. You just have to keep the charging device elevated above the charged device. It works like a siphon.
Insighful??? Is this serious really?
Keep out of Venezuela if you want to keep your precious neutrino sensors. They basically confiscated the brazilian gas plant there and the government is turning into a de-facto dictatorship much like the Cuba of old or worse
Try to use PKCS12 in windows 64bit jvm and see how far you get. Hint: it's non existent because the original code is C and nobody's bothered to compile it because "they didn't have a 64 bits smartcard to test it on"
"One full-time Java programmer told me that he hasn’t had to manually type in any setters and getters in years, and he has a template from which all his objects are typed in automatically, thanks to the code snippet tools in his favorite editor (which isn’t Eclipse—he uses IntelliJ). Clearly, methods of automated typing seem to be a favorite among a lot of programmers. So why did Visual Studio remove a feature that facilitated this? Who knows."
Let's not mention the fact that in C# you don't need to manually type in all the getter/setter junk, just public int MyField {get; set;}
These days in java, I just use Lombok. Put an @Data over your class and it generates everything. Pull in extra @EqualsAndHashCode on entity classes so the Equals/HashCode gets generated on proper business fields for database stuff and done. No more getter/setters needed to be typed and Netbeans even recognize the new methods on save
When people go wrong using spreadsheets it's usually one of a few ways. The one I see the most is when they take what should be a prototype analysis and turn it into a production tool. If you need to put a bunch of buttons and other interface tools on a spreadsheet THEN you are doing it wrong. The second is when they try to take analyzed data involving more than 3 dimensions. While it can be done it rarely is a good idea.
Excel pivot`s is very good as a pivoting tool, and very few applications do it better, and I don't know of any that do so at excel's price range. Calc's version of it it's crap and kinda hard to setup.
On Windows there is no standard widget set that everyone uses, an no agreement on how a widget should behave. Every framework has their own. MFC, WinForms, whatever MS Office uses, Wordperfect, etc.
There are standard widgets provided by the OS, and everyone who uses them will produce apps which look the same, absent customization. There are alternatives, but that doesn't change the fact.
Really? So how to I use those nice office widgets like the excel pivot or word rich text editor (since the one I can use in MFC is crap) in my own native MFC application?
Thats like saying that C/C++ adoption on windows is due to vector locking because that's what the API is built on. Due to that, C-like bridges need to be build into other languages so they could talk to the OS
The same can be done to talk to Objective-C
DISCLAIMER: have been dealing with windows api the whole week and is not funny
It's not really just the language. It's the entire programming environment: the language, the library, what system features it allows you to get your hands into and failing that last one, how much the language has "build in" and with how much quality, how much trouble-less it is to run in your target system, how much easy is to build a program around it
The major PITA's I have found with "alternative" languages is when building beyond hello-world/clickety demos. Many languages with their respective build environments fail to provide a good desktop infrastructure to build rich apps. Some fail at the web side of it. Some ain't much good at any of it. For windows desktop apps, if you don't provide support for system widgets, you better have a alternative to the build in rich editor with printing support that can just copy/paste to/from office-like software without much trouble. Many focus too much into the "programming" side of it and relegate the integration with everything else to second plan.
Nerds spend more time on /. than any other use spend time on G+. Or MySpace. Or both added up together.
In my experience, Microsoft has some of the best backwards compatibility of any vendor out there. Well written C++ and .NET apps on Windows will probably keep working until the heat death of the universe. Meanwhile, Java took a long time to catch on to the fact that the runtime and standard libraries aren't 100% backwards compatible, and that people may actually want to run multiple versions side-by-side. For comparison, every .NET app uses the appropriate runtime automatically.
Java Runtimes are installed side-by-side, even minor versions. And even if you have a grip with a particular installer feature, you can very well get your own folder bundled with the app and it will not touch anything else. Try that with a .NET runtime. I've seen 1.1 .NET apps fail to work properly after a 2.0 .NET runtime got installed in the system, no way to do otherwise that I know, the only solution was remove everything and stall from scratch and stop the damn f* windows update from messing with the SO.
The only FS who can call death upon something/someone is ReiserFS
*ducks*
Last time I used that, I was using compiz, avant-window-manager and gDeslets. I used nautilus as filemanager, but keep in mind this was in the gnome2 days where all you needed was to lauch gnome-settings-daemon and you was set. At this day and age, I use a customized kubuntu, and plasma makes very easy to move stuff around the way I like to do, kwin is working great in 4.7.6 as window manage. The only complaints I got is kopete protocol stability (only recently msn got back to working for me) and lack of a descent SIP phone, so I got to use ekiga for that. I always used thunderbird as mail client and that's unlikely to change since it is mostly desktop-safe, same for chrome (konqueror or rekonq are still too slow;/buggy for general usage)
Thats my 0.02 brazilian cents