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You Can Play Over 2,600 Windows Games on Linux Via Steam Play (tomshardware.com)

At the end of August, Valve announced a new version of Steam Play for Linux that included Proton, a WINE fork that made many Windows games, including more recent ones ,such as Witcher 3, Dark Souls 3 and Dishonored, playable on Linux. Just two months later, ProtonDB says there are over 2,600 Windows games that users can play on Linux, and the number is rapidly growing daily. From a report: When Valve Software launched Steam Play with Proton, it made it easier for gamers to play Windows games that hadn't yet been ported to Linux with the click of a button. Not all games may run perfectly on Linux, but that's also often the case with Windows 10, which can not play older games as well as previous versions of Windows did, even under Compatibility Mode. In only two months, the database of games that work with Proton has increased to over 2,600 -- more than half of the 5,000 Linux-native games that can be obtained through the Steam store.

106 comments

  1. Microsoft should sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Steam is illegally stealing Windows and letting cheap freeloading Linux losers play Microsoft's games! They should sue!

    1. Re:Microsoft should sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      obvious sarcasm modded down?
      RIP

    2. Re:Microsoft should sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's probably from BetaNews' resident Windows cuck and Microsoft employee James Kelly.

    3. Re:Microsoft should sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is absolutely nothing obvious about that sarcasm. There are plenty of people in the world who believe exactly what was posted there. The sarcastic tone of voice is not captured in text, and you are being egocentric if you think the sarcasm is obvious in this case.

    4. Re: Microsoft should sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      James Kelly is actually part of the betanews staff aka Mark Wilson, he was also Boltmanlives and several other pseudonyms.
      Wayne Williams also posts regularly with several different pseudonyms.

    5. Re:Microsoft should sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, the sarcasm IS obvious to anyone who reads Slashdork regularly and whose first language is English.

    6. Re:Microsoft should sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ohhhh double sarcastic post!

    7. Re: Microsoft should sue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The post was very clearly sarcasm and would have been detected by the vast majority of native English speakers

      Please stop the tantrum, you are making yourself look very silly

  2. Two wishes, señor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    All I want is my classic Quake

    and my first p0st!

    1. Re:Two wishes, señor by Guspaz · · Score: 1

      Quake has been available natively on Linux for 22 years now.

  3. But... by eneville · · Score: 2

    Linux already has solitaire and minesweeper.

    1. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux already has solitaire and minesweeper.

      Something I hear is getting more difficult to get on Winders.

    2. Re:But... by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      And Tux Racer. Don't forget Tux Racer.

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    3. Re:But... by higuita · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Nethack! and Dwarf fortress!

      two of the best games ever made and run perfectly in linux

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  4. Re:Linux Desktop is DEAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enjoyed being spied on and/or living in a walled garden.

  5. Not the right metric. by Holi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not a fair metric when 90% are crappy clones of each other.

    Better metric would be, how many games that I want to play work on Steam on Linux, I promise you the number is far, far lower then the Hackers Quarterly.

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    1. Re:Not the right metric. by arth1 · · Score: 1

      Not a fair metric when 90% are crappy clones of each other.

      This is unfortunately so. I am sure there are people who will be thrilled that they now can get several times as many visual novels and badly made side scrollers, but I'm not one of them.

    2. Re:Not the right metric. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing that it isn't all about you then, isn't it?

      "90% are crappy clones of each other. "

      Isn't that ALL games nowadays?

    3. Re:Not the right metric. by Greyfox · · Score: 4, Interesting
      The number is much higher than the previous status quo. Remember the bad old days of Loki Games? That was the late '90's, so some of the younger readers might not have been born then. I bought several of their titles back then. They did a Linux convention in Denver in '99 and their CEO was complaining that it took three engineers three days to figure out how to set up a multi-display X11 setup for a flight simulator. They finally threw in the towel a short time later.

      Back then, the prognosis for commercial games on Linux was "Whoever wants to port them and Loki." There weren't many who would port them -- Id Software for some of the quake titles are the only ones I can think of. And sure, there were some other options -- you could install mame and play some emulated coin-op and console games. There were some open source ones, graphical and not. There was still a pretty healthy Xtrek community back then. But if you wanted a machine to play games on, you installed windows. Funnily, OSX was in pretty much the same boat as Linux. A few more publishers decided to port to them. But you didn't really buy a Mac to play games anyway. And they were really terrible at pushing 3D. The early aluminum tower would cook the video card to death over the course of a couple of months if you actually tried to.

      Fast forward to today, you can confidently install steam on Linux and reasonably expect a new title to just work. Take No Man's Sky. Good example, fairly recent game, pretty unique, works great. Borderlands 2, Stellaris, Factorio, even the old Railroad Tycoon 2 work great, for just a random selection that I have installed on my laptop. About the only thing I've tried installing that absolutely didn't want to work was the 64 bit version of Skyrim.

      And a lot of the titles that didn't work before work great with wine. I used to run the 32 bit Skyrim that way. Wine will also run Wow and Eve online flawlessly, again a huge step up from the bad old days.

      I still need to test it with the HTC Vive VR and my most commonly played titles for that. If that works even remotely well, I could consider formatting Windows 10 off my gaming system and installing Linux instead. That would have been impossible before now.

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    4. Re:Not the right metric. by TheSunborn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Now I don't know what kind of games YOU want to play. I guess there might be an issue with missing games if you like 3d shooters since a lot of these seems to be missing.

      But all the games I personally want to play, such as XCOM2, Civilization 5 and 6, Darkest dungeon, Thea, Total war: Warhammer, Cities: Skylies and rim world and Factorio are available.

      Only game I sometimes miss are "Endless space 2" and there are repports that it does run perfectly on Wine but i have not tested that.

    5. Re:Not the right metric. by McLoud · · Score: 1

      Better metric would be, how many games that I want to play work on Steam on Linux, I promise you the number is far, far lower then the Hackers Quarterly.

      How about some citations on what you might want to play? Everything I like to play is there, even titles I'm still considering buying since I still didn't manage to play everything me and my gf own together. And theres is like all recent eldes scrolls except maybe the MMORPG thing, all tomb raider, thief, all of the witcher, planetary annihilation...

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    6. Re:Not the right metric. by Calydor · · Score: 2

      While things are better, your post also points out a really big problem: An AAA title with the kind of hype Skyrim had doesn't work, at least not if you want to run the 64 bit version. Once people hear about that, and hear that the games have a 100% chance of working in Windows ... which system are they going to choose? Going with Linux is all well and good right until you need to have a Windows machine ANYWAY for the one game you want to play with or at the same time as your friends.

      And if you're booting into Windows anyway for that game, may as well continue doing so for other games to avoid breaking up your workflow all the time.

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    7. Re:Not the right metric. by Windowser · · Score: 1

      And if you're booting into Windows anyway for that game, may as well continue doing so for other games to avoid breaking up your workflow all the time.

      Booting Windows means I have to expect my game may be interrupted by Windows Update deciding it's a great time to apply updates.
      Windows Update is what is breaking my workflow

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    8. Re:Not the right metric. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Out of the top 100 played (according to steam stats) games you can play 60 or so on linux. I did the research myself.

    9. Re:Not the right metric. by Kjella · · Score: 2

      Going with Linux is all well and good right until you need to have a Windows machine ANYWAY for the one game you want to play with or at the same time as your friends.

      This. For solo games I got a backlog of games I could play and most games work eventually and in the end it doesn't affect anyone other than myself. But when my friends swoon over some new AAA game then I have to join in on that. Heck, I'm getting a PS4 almost just to play Red Dead Redemption 2.

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    10. Re:Not the right metric. by barc0001 · · Score: 1

      Do you want to list some game you want to play on Linux that don't, or just talk in sweeping generalizations? Because a few of my "regular" games play quite nicely under Linux with the Linux Steam client.

      Rocket League
      Borderlands 2 and TPS
      XCOM 2
      Kerbal Space Program

      etc..

    11. Re:Not the right metric. by Andtalath · · Score: 1

      No sane person is claiming linux is a better gaming platform.

      However, is it good enough to let you play more games than you ever have time to finish unless you have absurd amounts of game time?
      Hell yes.

      And it's getting better every day.

    12. Re:Not the right metric. by Calydor · · Score: 1

      Which again doesn't matter much if they're not the games you WANT to play until several years later when no one else is playing them anymore and they don't provide something to talk about with your friends.

      Just because you have access to an endless supply of French art noir movies doesn't mean you have a lot of movies to watch on Friday night.

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    13. Re:Not the right metric. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty pessimistic view. The good news is you can happily play "real" games like Witcher 3, Overwatch, Dark Souls - geez even Star Citizen works.

    14. Re:Not the right metric. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      TF2 plays great on Linux. You don't have to deal with any of the OSX or Windows nag alerts.

    15. Re:Not the right metric. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >geez even Star Citizen works.

      is it a game yet?

    16. Re:Not the right metric. by sad_ · · Score: 1

      what are you on about? steam play/proton plays the same games as you have on windows (that is the whole point).
      so if 90% of that is crap, then 90% of steam is crap and 90% of games on windows are crap.

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    17. Re:Not the right metric. by BlackOverflow · · Score: 0

      It's still in alpha (version 3.x), but it is a playable game and there are thousands of people "playing" it. You can see it in action on Twitch. Captain Richard, Uber Nerd, and CrucianGaming are 3 of the biggest streamers. Captain Richard streams every weeknight from 8pm-10pm Eastern.

    18. Re:Not the right metric. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Lower THAN, you American cretin.

      What is it with Americans mixing up the words 'then', 'than' and 'that' nowadays? Your 'education' system must be shot to pieces.

    19. Re:Not the right metric. by strikethree · · Score: 1

      I still need to test it with the HTC Vive VR and my most commonly played titles for that.

      Oculus had a sale where they sold the whole setup for like $400 or $500 or something absurdly low. Despite running the original Oculus on Linux, apparently, the latest incarnation is specifically prohibited from running on Linux. And they wondered why VR isn't hitting it big: They don't allow you to do what you want and it is locked down tightly for monetization purposes. TL;DR on why VR isn't taking off is GREED.

      I have used the Steam VR support. It is pretty good. I am betting with the Vive, it will be fine. A shame I didn't buy a Vive.

      Oh. You gotta try out the Steam Labs VR stuff. There is one area where you have a bow and arrow and defend the front gate of the castle against barbarians. The game is insanely fun for being so silly. Pay attention. There is a torch nearby. Nothing indicates that you can light your arrows on fire before shooting them, but you can. ;)

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    20. Re:Not the right metric. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MS Windows gaming died ages ago. Who cares. I've had two customers in the past 10 years ask about NVIDIA graphics cards and I sell GNU/Linux systems full time. Compared to the prior 10 years where gaming on the PC was a real thing. Today PC gamers are fighting over graphics cards with people mining crypto currencies. And OHHH boy there are a heck of a lot more miners out there than gamers. It's to a point the gamers are super pissed at the miners and the graphics card industry can't keep up with the demand.

    21. Re:Not the right metric. by Holi · · Score: 1

      For me, dyslexia. Been really fun dealing with it for 40 odd years. Sorry if I offended you, now fuck off.

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    22. Re:Not the right metric. by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      The 32 bit version of Skyrim also works well both with Wine and Proton. If you only have one machine and want to run Linux, you at least have some gaming options now. For me, it's good enough that I don't need to dual boot back to windows for anything anymore. Valve seems pretty committed to making gaming work on Linux, so I think the situation can only improve from here. At some point I think there'll probably be a tipping point where developing a game on Linux is actually easier than doing it on Windows and most publishers will just do that. Maybe wishful thinking, I dunno.

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    23. Re:Not the right metric. by Greyfox · · Score: 1

      We have more time in The Lab than any other VR game, by a solid factor of 5. My room mate loves the bow and arrow game. It's a pretty decent workout, too. 30 rounds of that thing and I'm pooped. I'm currently having a problem that neither of my original Vive controllers want to charge anymore, though. I'm probably going to have to send them off to be fixed :-(

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  6. Tux Racer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tux Racer is the only game Linux needsd

  7. While I appreciate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't see the business model of trying to sell to freetards.

    1. Re:While I appreciate by rogoshen1 · · Score: 2

      i think the long-term play here is making the 'steam box' a viable thing from a hardware perspective. The more triple-A games that run natively in linux, the better chances a valve branded box running their customized distro has at being a going concern.

    2. Re:While I appreciate by wed128 · · Score: 2

      There are lots of people who prefer linux to windows, but don't really have a problem with proprietary software.

    3. Re:While I appreciate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And of course that's about not being dependent on Microsoft. Valve wants independence.

    4. Re:While I appreciate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like to meet one. I mean that seriously, I would like to meet someone who favors Linux for the OS design, because the only people I have met who prefer Linux have a deep hatred of everything else. I'll use Linux if it's a reasonable option for the task, but I have yet to meet someone who suggests Linux who does not deeply believe it is the ONLY option for EVERY task.

    5. Re:While I appreciate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given what Windows has become, that's not surprising.

    6. Re:While I appreciate by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 2

      It's not just about proprietary software. The *nix environment is better at doing a lot of tasks than windows. My primary work desktop (What all our software development is done on) is linux. We also have a windows box for doing Ms office and outlook. My primary home desktop would be Linux if I could play the games I want to play on Linux.

      The irony is that Open source software is so convenient, that it runs perfectly good on Windows, allowing me to do everything I want (work and games) on one machine. If open source software did not work so well on windows, I might actually have to make a hard choice between windows and linux, or just run 2 machines

      The same cannot be said of the proprietary software that I use (e.g. some games, and MS Office). Those do not run well on platforms other than windows, so using windows is more convenient. But these problems are not a result license (i.e. that it is proprietary). I don't have a problem paying for software. I pay for some games on linux. I pay for plex (which runs on all major platforms).

      I don't use linux because it's free. I use it because it is better at doing lots of things, and the list of things it is worse at is shrinking every day.

    7. Re:While I appreciate by Hydrian · · Score: 1

      My feeling is use what works. I have no problem running wine or mono software on Linux. One of my daily critical pieces of software (keePass2) runs on Mono. My big concern is how does the software developer support me running it on Linux. Does the software developer support me running the their software wine or mono? The developer need to make very clear that they support these products on Linux and what libraries/dependencies are needed to be supported.

      I understand that Linux has lots of distributions and support all of them in completely untenable unless you open source the program. Even then, that is difficult. The developer need to pick a few well known distros and support those. If I was software developer I'd make sure to only support the place were most of my customer or potential customers would want to install it. This is to limit manage my support costs.

      Business Software: RHEL / CentOS, Ubuntu LTS, (Open)Suse
      Games: Ubuntu / Mate, SteamOS, Fedora (maybe)
      Server Software: RHEL / CentOS, Debian, Ubuntu LTS, Suse

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    8. Re:While I appreciate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My wife is a good example. She couldn't care less about software licensing or development models; she just wants things to look and work good and get out of her way. That's unlike me; I do indeed have a deep hatred for most proprietary software. After a few months of suffering through the transition from XP to Vista, she asked me to install Kubuntu--which she knew I had previously used--on her laptop. She dual-booted for about a year, then never went back to Windows. Today she's using the last release of Linux Mint KDE that included KDE 4. I think that's EOL in the spring, so we'll see what we migrate her to. She did say some good things about Windows 7 in the past, but has had very harsh words for both Windows 8 and 10.
      I'm getting more into FreeBSD, but I suggest an easy Linux distro for most desktop users.

    9. Re: While I appreciate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use Linux because I like it. I'm a FOSS fan too but I'll not adverse to paying for software either, and have done so on many occasions.

    10. Re:While I appreciate by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      I would like to meet one. I mean that seriously, I would like to meet someone who favors Linux for the OS design, because the only people I have met who prefer Linux have a deep hatred of everything else. I'll use Linux if it's a reasonable option for the task, but I have yet to meet someone who suggests Linux who does not deeply believe it is the ONLY option for EVERY task.

      Strawmen convention much? Linux is a Unixy OS MacOS is Unix.

      The design is inherently better. Linux or MacOS is what I use unless there is no other choice. Windows 7 is a functioning Operating system.

      Windows 10 is so bad that it makes Vista look like an order of magnitude improvement. But that would be true no matter what my personal opinion is. I do hate it, but that is an earned hatred.

      And wherever you got the idea that we who like Linux think it is the only computing solution, is just weird.

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    11. Re:While I appreciate by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 1

      It's not just about proprietary software. The *nix environment is better at doing a lot of tasks than windows.

      One of the biggest advantages of *NIX operating systems is that they tend to function when they are booted.

      My latest Windows 10 cockup is on an SDR radio with several receivers, and has 8 separate sound and a transmit audio drivers, plus 2 IQ stream drivers. Each has a different name of course. Windows update decided that all the audio drivers had to be renamed to the IQ drivers names. Then it fought me to name them back to what they should be. The result was hours of work plus a Teamviewer session to restore what windows did to the friggin computer.

      Meanwhile, my MaxOS machine chugs along, my Windows 7 on Bootcamp chugs along, and the Linux machine sits there politely working all the time.

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    12. Re:While I appreciate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My 72 year old Dad would disagree. He has been windows free for 10 years now.

    13. Re:While I appreciate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      keepassX can use the same db as keepass2 and is linux native.

    14. Re:While I appreciate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like to meet one. I mean that seriously, I would like to meet someone who favors Linux for the OS design, because the only people I have met who prefer Linux have a deep hatred of everything else.

      Hi, nice to meet you. I've been using both Windows and Linux since the late 90s, with about a 1yr difference between the two, and I just prefer the Linux ecosystem. When I first got a new PC to replace an old one, I kept using Windows as my primary OS and installed Linux on the spare. I liked it a lot, found the command line comfortable, loved the flexibility of being able to do things like swap out window managers, and appreciated the stability compared to Windows at the time. It had too many rough edges to be the primary OS, though, so I kept it on its own PC for a long time. As the experience improved I eventually started dual booting the desktop and started using it more there, but Windows still remained the primary OS on the most powerful system I owned, mostly for gaming purposes. I switched fully to Linux around Vista time because I hated it, preferring to deal with wine than Vista. Then later when Windows 7 came out I put it on a spare HD and used it to dual-boot again, but only for the few things I couldn't get to run in wine. Since then I've removed the dual boot completely, though I use GPU passthrough to a Windows 10 VM for the same purpose.

      Except for Vista, I don't hate Windows, and I'm not a FREE-OR-DIE zealot, but I still prefer to use Linux. The command line experience is much better, and I'm a very fast typist, which means I can often do things much faster with a Linux terminal than I could with a GUI in either OS. I also place a high value on customisation and flexibility, which is an area where Linux (and other *nix-like OSes) excels. If I get sick of KDE I can try GNOME again, switch to a tiling WM for something different, or even go back to WindowMaker, which is still maintained and used to be my WM of choice in the early 2000s. I can make it as minimal or as bloated as I want depending on the hardware I want to run it on. It can do countless other things that are either impossible or gated behind costly Windows Server licenses.

      My problem with Windows isn't that it's bad (except for Vista), it's that it's tailored to a specific use case and workflow with limited flexibility. Even the maligned Windows 10 has a mostly good experience for users, as long as you don't want to do anything that strays too far outside of the "average Joe" workflow. This has always been true, but every release has made it a bit harder to do odd things like swap out explorer.exe for a new shell, while cleaning up the experience for the average user.

      You don't have to hate $foo to prefer $bar; sometimes $foo just doesn't do what you want it to do. I like Windows 10 fine, and W10 Pro has been working great for me in a VM, where I don't tweak it or do any strange things to it like I would if it were my desktop OS. Its purpose is to launch Steam and a couple games, or any other miscellaneous thing I run into that I need Windows for. The weirdest thing I've done to the VM is install WSL so I could use basic tools like grep. When kept in this mostly average-user state, with some dumb new settings turned off, it's a pretty smooth experience and I can see how they almost had something great, if only they hadn't taken so much control away from users.

      That's not how I want to use my PC, though. Whenever I used Windows as primary OS I found myself hitting the invisible walls it has everywhere. Everything I wanted to do ended up 1. impossible, 2. requiring multiple third party tools (each one costing anywhere from $20 to $600), or 3. needing Windows Server. Being told "no, you can't do that" or nickel-and-dimed to death all the time is frustrating, especially when you know how easy it is to do in Linux.

    15. Re:While I appreciate by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > I don't see the business model of trying to sell to freetards.

      I use Linux because it's not crap. The fact that there is no licensing nonsense associated with the OS is just an added bonus.

      I would have paid for payware Unix back in the day if it actually had supported common PC hardware.

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    16. Re:While I appreciate by jedidiah · · Score: 1

      > Strawmen convention much? Linux is a Unixy OS MacOS is Unix.

      That's utter bullshit. What spec that MacOS conforms to is far too restricted and low level to be of any practical value. Macs underneath are alien to anyone that's worked with real Unixen. Far more alien than Linux.

      Macs have always been their own proprietary GUI based thing. These days they happen to be a variant of OpenStep.

      They aren't Unix to your average Mac user and they aren't Unix to those of us that have worked with other Unixen.

      The jack-of-all-trades approach in Apple apps is like the opposite of Unix.

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    17. Re:While I appreciate by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      The way I see it, all software makes tradeoffs between complexity of use and complexity of design. Windows 10 is trying to be simpler to use by relying on an AI voice assistant, and guessing at what your intentions are, this leads to complexity of design. Some people (e.g. people who are not used to using computers) may find this orders of magnitude easier to understand than a CLI. Other uses (i.e. people who know exactly what they want to do and how) may find Cortana useless and frustrating, and prefer the lack of restrictions and handholding of a simple linux distro. It's a spectrum. I think windows is designed very well for what it is (i.e. I dread to think what the open source version of windows 10 would be like), but I am definitely more at home piping text commands to eachother. I think I did prefer windows 7 to windows 10, but I upgraded anyway because I knew windows 10 will be supported longer. I had a few problems that a falsely attributed to windows 10 so I had a negative first impression, but some of those problems turned out to be a result of faulty network cables. After realizing that I upgraded to windows 10 the same day I changed rooms (and in wall cables), my experience has been better. I can't speak to your specific driver problems.

    18. Re:While I appreciate by Ol+Olsoc · · Score: 2

      > Strawmen convention much? Linux is a Unixy OS MacOS is Unix.

      That's utter bullshit. What spec that MacOS conforms to is far too restricted and low level to be of any practical value.

      MacOS is Unix certified. You might not like that but first read https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/... , then go argue with the people who certified it.

      Macs underneath are alien to anyone that's worked with real Unixen. Far more alien than Linux.

      Funny, but the Unix people I deal with have no problem that you claim exists. And if you are so pissed that MaxOS is Unix certified, then why don't you work to decertify it.

      What you are doing is making a stereotyped meme of Mac Users. Whatever, but Bullshit it aint.

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    19. Re:While I appreciate by Torvac · · Score: 1

      im forced to use windows in the office for one year now. i feel so handicapped its no joke, the people i work with just dont use any unix goodies at all, they would rather write a native java app to sort shit for 2 days instead of some magic cli oneliner, or a bash/python script.

    20. Re:While I appreciate by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      The business model is to not be dependent on microsoft...
      As it stands, all games publishers are utterly beholden to microsoft, who is also their competitor with their own games to push. Microsoft could make life difficult for any game publishers, and has incentives to do so. If your entire business depends on the good will of one of your biggest competitors, your on very thin ice.

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    21. Re:While I appreciate by TsuruchiBrian · · Score: 1

      I'm not forced to use windows at work for real work (though I am forced to use it for microsoft office and outlook). But when I use windows at home, I have cygwin, gcc, bash, python, linux VMs, etc at my disposal. There is almost nothing *nixy I can't do in windows (thanks to *nix tools, not so much windows)

    22. Re:While I appreciate by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would like to meet one. I mean that seriously, I would like to meet someone who favors Linux for the OS design, because the only people I have met who prefer Linux have a deep hatred of everything else. I'll use Linux if it's a reasonable option for the task, but I have yet to meet someone who suggests Linux who does not deeply believe it is the ONLY option for EVERY task.

      Richard M. Stallman approves of closed source games, he only really has an issue with the game engine itself being closed source, but all of the art assets he's fine with, you know, the 3d models, the textures, the music, the 2d sprites etc are all fine and dandy.

  8. Re:Linux Desktop is DEAD by brickhouse98 · · Score: 1

    Someone pissed in this dude's windows cheerios.

  9. the final nail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    just get star trek online working and I'll never use windows again, even at work

    1. Re:the final nail by Stormwatch · · Score: 1

      https://www.protondb.com/app/9...
      Some report it broken, some report it working great. Give it a try and see how it goes for you.

    2. Re:the final nail by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      I run Fedora 28 and it works.

  10. Try Xonotic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Check out Xonotic. A modern, fast paced arena FPS. Really awesome game but it could use more players!

    Linux, Mac, and Windows binaries available and it is open source.

    100% free. No loot boxes, no ads, you are not the product, and it never tries to sell you shit. Free period.

  11. How many versions of the same old stuff? by petes_PoV · · Score: 1

    the database of games that work with Proton has increased to over 2,600

    But how many of that number are simply variants on hitting something, shooting something or jumping over something?

    While the number of games sounds imppressive, how many of those titles are actually novel or unique and how many are simply variants on the small number of 30 year-old concepts?

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    1. Re:How many versions of the same old stuff? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 1

      While the number of games sounds imppressive, how many of those titles are actually novel or unique and how many are simply variants on the small number of 30 year-old concepts?

      I fail to see how this is a critique of gaming on Linux versus gaming in general...

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    2. Re:How many versions of the same old stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      the database of games that work with Proton has increased to over 2,600

      But how many of that number are simply variants on hitting something, shooting something or jumping over something?

      While the number of games sounds imppressive, how many of those titles are actually novel or unique and how many are simply variants on the small number of 30 year-old concepts?

      I don't see how your comment is useful or unique. It seems to just be the same simple variation of rearranging verbs, nouns, and adjectives that all comment conceps have been using for the past 30 years.

    3. Re:How many versions of the same old stuff? by Calydor · · Score: 1

      How many books are about stuff other than a guy encountering some problems, solving the problems and getting laid as a result?

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    4. Re:How many versions of the same old stuff? by BlackOverflow · · Score: 0

      I mean, you could try playing some of them and find out. There is a huge variety of games available today.

    5. Re:How many versions of the same old stuff? by Tukz · · Score: 1

      GTA V runs on Steam Play Linux, that seems to fit your "hit something, shoot something and jump over something".

      The new Tomb Raider runs well too, is that a recent enough AAA title?

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  12. Re:Linux Desktop is DEAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Been using Linux on desktop systems both professionally and privately for nearly 10 years now. Don't kick it till you tried it. Also, you do realize that every single Android device is running Linux? And most smart TVs and so many other devices... Windows is actually a niche now... It tries to be Apple but can't quite cut it due to corporate pressure... so sad.

  13. Blizzard games are what keeps Windows in my house. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And unfortunately, the company seems to have zero interest in releasing an Ubuntu client.

    (Let's be real, just saying we'd appreciate a GNU/Linux client is too much to ask.)

  14. Re:Linux Desktop is DEAD by RickyShade · · Score: 1

    Ah yes, the small niche market of 99% of business desktops and the vast majority of home PCs.

  15. Re:Linux Desktop is DEAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someone pissed in this dude's ... cheerios.

    Did you know that that's actually a thing?

  16. Actual Proton Page by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those that want to look at the ProtonDB site.

    https://www.protondb.com/

  17. Malware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have yet to run Steam under Linux because Steam is basically malware. Since Windows 10 is also basically malware, running Steam didn't bother me as much.

    1. Re:Malware by Shikaku · · Score: 1

      I'd like to hear this honestly: how is it malware? There are some questionable DRM schemes in some of the games like Denuvo, but Steam only does an online login check every once in a while. Besides those, what does Steam do that is likened to malware?

    2. Re:Malware by ledow · · Score: 1

      Gosh.

      If only you could run it in a sandboxed environment so that, despite being "malware" as you claim, you can still safely use it without advertising anything about your machine and/or granting it access to anything that you don't want it to touch.

      Like... say... chrooting it into a steam-games-only folder, and whacking permissions around it so it can't do anything interesting and runs as a limited user?

      Or are you saying "I disagree with having to use Steam", in which case your comment is really badly worded as it suggests you're quite happy to run it on other OS that don't offer that kind of functionality.

    3. Re:Malware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is probably lots of malware that leaks less information than Valve Anti Cheat does.

    4. Re:Malware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Neither of those seem sandboxed well enough. A virtual machine would do, but causes other problems.

  18. Re: Linux Desktop is DEAD by Stormwatch · · Score: 2

    Random breakages, strange error messages, complicated multistep fixes.

    That's the typical Windows 10 experience.

  19. BRAVADO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Congratulations!

  20. Re:Yowsers in me trousers! by slaker · · Score: 1

    Chromebooks are pretty goddamned legit now. About 90% of my customers could probably do all their business functions on them and that number would be 100% if more small dev shops would quit using MSVB6something front ends that haven't been updated since Windows NT was a thing for MSSQL Express databases and move their client logic to some kind of web application instead.

    No cure for games but Steam and nVidia both have remote display systems that work pretty well for that if you really need it.

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  21. 570 Steam games by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    With either Native Linux or Steam Play. I have about 10 games that cannot run in Linux... that is it. I got Fallout4 with mods running over the weekend. I have another 100 running in either wine or crossover. Who needs windows? And since Fallout76 is a no go for me, I wont need windows now.

  22. Linus should sue by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    That's ok, Windows now comes with complete built-in Linux distributions (under Windows Linux Subsystem) allowing freeloading Windows losers to do work! He should sue!

  23. Re:Linux Desktop is DEAD by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

    > Ah yes, the small niche market of 99% of business desktops and the vast majority of home PCs.

    So what? I probably wouldn't be satisfied with ANY of your other consumer choices either. You probably have no taste what so ever.

    The beautiful thing about a free market is that I don't have to be held hostage by your stupid choices.

    Although your FUD is simply out of date. Microsoft is entirely optional these days.

    You may even find the non-WinDOS games on Steam to your liking.

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  24. Re: Linux Desktop is DEAD by jedidiah · · Score: 1

    I just recently tried adding an additional hard drive to a Win10. What a hot mess that is. It's like they are going out of their way to annoy everyone both n00bs and power users.

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  25. Re:Linux Desktop is DEAD by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    Of course, half the dads reading that article are thinking "I don't get it, what's wrong with peeing on the floor?"

  26. A surprisingly high number of good games by mykro76 · · Score: 4, Informative

    For those labouring under the assumption that these counts are inflated with crappy games, I collected some stats on the 4500 best games on Steam. These are the ones that Steam flags as "Very Positive" or "Overwhelmingly Positive" based on aggregated reviews. Of those, 1500 are supported natively on Linux and another 1500 are playable without much trouble in Proton. It's also become clear that most of the reports being submitted to ProtonDB are for the better, well-known games. Hardly anyone is submitting reports on the crappy shovelware games.

    1. Re:A surprisingly high number of good games by BlackOverflow · · Score: 0

      Could you please post a link to the results? It would be very helpful.

    2. Re:A surprisingly high number of good games by Tukz · · Score: 1

      Valve, together with DXVK, have made significant stride the last few months. It's really astonishing.

      In same vein, applications like Lutris and layers like DXVK are really pushing gaming on Linux forward right now.

      It's still Linux, so some tweaks are still required, but it's not nearly as cumbersome as it used to be.

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  27. Re: Linux Desktop is DEAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yup, same. Occassionally I've got to use windows or OSX but hugely prefer Linux or BSD.

  28. Re:Yowsers in me trousers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't you hear? The mueller witch hunt is wrapping up. They got nothing on Trump.

    So sorry your made up conspiracy theory didn't pan out. Maybe you can sell your tinfoil to recoup some of your losses. The tears though, those are just plain write-offs.

  29. Re:Yowsers in me trousers! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not if the damns get both house and senate. Go out and vote!

  30. I'm going to piss off PC gamers: PC gaming is dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GNU/Linux may not have all the best games, but who cares? People don't game on PCs any more. They've turned to dedicated console devices and smart phones. In the past 10 years I've sold only a handful of graphics cards to customers running GNU/Linux and mostly people in the sciences rather than the gaming world.

    Comparatively the prior 10 years PC gaming was a thing and I'd regularly have people ask about graphics cards and gaming on GNU/Linux. Back in 2005 I'd still regularly interact with people who were into PC gaming. In fact my company is the largest retailer of GNU/Linux hardware in the world and we don't even stock any significant quantity of a modern graphics cards in which to play modern games on it's become so irrelevant in terms of overall demand. Comparatively we sell more hardware of all classes and types to GNU/Linux users than anybody else.

  31. Only newer Chromebooks are flexible offline by tepples · · Score: 1

    About 90% of my customers could probably do all their business functions on them and that number would be 100% if more small dev shops would quit using MSVB6something front ends that haven't been updated since Windows NT was a thing for MSSQL Express databases and move their client logic to some kind of web application instead.

    Let's say the developer rewrites the server side in Python, C#, or some other "modern" language. How would the user run the server on the Chromebook as well so that the user can continue to use the application while away from an Internet connection? As far as I'm aware, that would require one of two things: A. developer mode, which runs the risk of losing everything every time you turn it on; or B. selling your Chromebook and putting the money toward buying one of the newer Chromebooks that supports Crostini.

    No cure for games but Steam and nVidia both have remote display systems that work pretty well for that if you really need it.

    Cellular Internet service providers in Slashdot's home country charge $10 per GB for tethering. How much data transfer per hour can a user expect when running these "remote display systems" in standard definition (circa 800x480 pixels, 30 fps)? And how much latency does it add?

  32. Re:I'm going to piss off PC gamers: PC gaming is d by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >people
    More like normalf**s. Any gamer worth their ping won't touch a console with a 32-bit pole.

  33. Re: Linux Desktop is DEAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just recently tried adding an additional hard drive to a Win10. What a hot mess that is. It's like they are going out of their way to annoy everyone both n00bs and power users.

    Can you elaborate on what the problem was? I had to do the same as well for my desktop and it just... worked. Had to go into the disk management tool after doing so, prompted me to initialize to either MB or GPT, then made the partitions I wanted, formatting was done, completed pretty easily.

    Of course there's always the chance that something else happened to you and you needed help, but since you didn't elaborate on what exactly happened and instead preferred to just rant like a typical loser on the Internet, I'm less sympathetic and more inclined to think of it as user error.