Now... you could remove the actual IE program itself, as few other programs depend on it, but what would be the point? To save a few megabytes?
The point is that a lot of people use IE for their web browsing needs by default, not because they have sampled the competition and find IE to be the better product.
If more people were to try other browsers, some of them might stick with their new default because it's the default, some might find they like it better, some might convert back to IE.
Whatever people choose, that's fine, but increased competition is always (or at least probably almost always) a Good Thing.
That'd be the point.
But you probably don't need to remove the executable, just don't have it show on the desktop or in the start menu.... It'd be interesting to see how people would behave if they had three different icons saying "Teh Internets"; and especially so if none were IE. Would they pick the top one and stick to it? Would they try out all of them for a few times until they settle on one? Who knows.
Abstract: We propose a method for characterizing large complex networks by introducing a new matrix structure, unique for a given network, which encodes structural information
I should probably go follow your link, but on the face of it, this sounds like a 60's paper about the adjacency matrix:)
This is the evidence to what I've suspected all along - file sharing is [good]
Stated in a somewhat less politician-mocking way, I can definitely get behind this---
It's one thing to have an opinion based on an ideology. It's something very much different to have an opinion based on evidence and reasoning [or science, if you will]. It means you have a good argument for why Your Way should be public policy.
I assume that if politicians listen to science rather than money*, they'd give the general notion of allowing file sharing in some form more thought than otherwise. In fact, one danish politician has done so. She's in a minority party, far out on the left wing, and we have a right-wing government right now...
* My inner pessimist thinks that US politicians listen to US corporate money, and non-US politicians listen to US politicians. He may or may not see reality for what it is, and there are always shades of gray.
I predict that people will still support the Dvorak layout
As do I.
based purly off being differnt or a desire to believe that ["I'm better"]
Really? Come on. REALLY?
I've seen a single freak or two on a mailing list, but at least 99% of the users I've heard say anything about the layout all stress the merits of the board (greater speed and/or more subjective comfort).
As would I: it's not so much fun having to type your password in QWERTY when you log in to the university's computers, so with that in mind I'd want everyone to be like me. But that's not going to happen: some people don't evaluate the trade-offs between time investment and benefits of the Dvorak keyboard layout the same way I do. Which is fine, they're entitled to their opinion, just as I'm entitled to not care about how a car engine works.
In a sense, it's much the same as the Linux user community: we're in the minority, but we use [the thing] because it benefits us, either subjectively or objectively. Not because we need to be different, or because it makes us feel better than everybody else.
We have a few loud freaks giving our community a bad name, but generally we just want to play along with others as long as they let us do our thing.
If we do go beyond just using [the thing] and onto advocacy, it's because we've only discovered [the thing] because we care more about technology and computers and such stuff than most people, and we think it's a pity that the public at large doesn't get to enjoy the benefits of this greatest thing since sliced bread---and that's of course only because they haven't been exposed to it.
I predict that Linux and Dvorak will live and die together, and survive or perish for the same reason(s).
In fact, I predict both will survive, and even strengthen in 2009 [Linux more so than Dvorak, because it's got a lot more momentum].
It doesn't matter [...] if 90% of them then have to keep it written on a post-it
Actually, writing down your passwords and sticking the note in your wallet is not a bad idea. The only reason the post-it solution is bad is because it's on your monitor where it's open to abuse.
No, it gives you the ability to (meaningfully) run certain apps. Your right and freedom to do so is not affected by your choice of driver.
while the open source driver gives me no extra freedom as I have zero intention of fiddling with its source code.
What you want to do is not the same as what you're allowed to do. You're not allowed all the four freedoms with the non-free nvidia driver, you are with the open source one. Just because you don't want to exercise the freedom you have doesn't mean you don't have it.
The nvidia driver is probably the better choice for you: by your own words, you'd rather run certain applications than be able to tinker with your video drivers. That's fine, go use what you want to use, that's none of my business.
But please don't confuse your concepts or try to redefine what freedom means. It's misleading and confusing [I'll give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming it's not deliberately so].
When most of your experienced users think your default options are crap and refuse to use any of them, perhaps it is a good time to change those defaults, eh?
Not necessarily. If it's easy for the experienced users to move a fresh system from the default state to that particular user's preferred state*, it makes a lot of sense to make the defaults be friendly to new users.
* which it is (up to the point where other defaults could have made it easy): dump and restore your list of installed packages. Write a shell script, or use some existing tool to do it.
If the defaults aren't reasonably friendly to new users, the potential users are going to get burned by the unix-beard-required defaults, go somewhere else, and not become experienced Debian users.
Also: just because people don't use a particular piece of software doesn't mean it's crap: it could be a matter of taste. I prefer bitlbee to Pidgin, but that doesn't mean that Pidgin is crap. Were that the case, the because most people don't use Linux then Linux must be crap. Clearly that can't be true...;)
I've got little experience with Debian, but can compare Ubuntu to Fedora and say that Ubuntu sacrifices bells and whistles that a "tinker" like yourself would prefer so that it can deliver ease-of-use.
I disagree. You can easily install KDE (or kubuntu) if you like KDE over gnome, you can put evil hacks in your ~/.Xmodmap, you can trick out your desktop with conky, synergy, autocutsel (I use it to merge the two clipboards), [...]. You can make NetworkManager not do anything and use your own script that runs wpa_supplicant instead. Don't like OOo? Uninstall it, and install something else.
You can tweak your system to your heart's content.
What I think Debian does better, is cultivating a culture of experts. My subjective is that by my estimation of difficulty, #debian is better than #ubuntu at answering difficult questions.
Why burden the end user at install time when you've got such a cool package manager [...] [Debian net installer, most barest of options, easily add anything else you want.]
I'd guess that most people see waiting as an easy burden to shoulder--you read today's paper while doing it--while having to install everything in itty bitty increments and not knowing what to install is a much harder burden.
Given that Ubuntu is aimed at satisfying the needs and wants of "most people", I think Canonical made the right choice for Ubuntu.
By the way, the Debian project also made the right choice for Debian.
Annoying as they may often be, we ignore the proponents of openness and freedom at our peril.
And they serve a useful purpose even if no one agrees 100% with them: it's much easier to be middle-of-the-road if there's a bright neon sign indicating "extreme --> this way".
If you go read the ideological principles behind the Debian project, they're as close to Free As In FSF as you can get; I hear it's what RMS uses. You can say bad things about Debian (it's not as easy to use as Ubuntu, the software is old, the software is buggy, the mozilla icemonkeybird thing is stupid), but you can't say it isn't doing whatever it can to preserve software freedom for its users.
And I don't hear anyone calling the Debian people loonies.
And if you go read the Ubuntu Free Software Guidelines, they're $(sed 's/Debian/Ubuntu/g' DFSG.txt). Nobody is calling Ubuntu over-the-top crazy about Software Freedom.
50% of those questions are, why doesn't ubuntu work like windows..:(
More important than the questions are the people who answer them.
In my experience, most of my questions in #ubuntu have gone unanswered. A good portion of my questions in #debian have been answered*. I remember once asking in the appropriate channel, not getting an answer, then asking the question in #gentoo and getting an answer.
* I should be fair, though: I installed debian first, and ubuntu some years later. I've probably asked a lot of easy questions in #debian that I didn't have to ask in #ubuntu. But even so, more recently I find #debian to be more helpful than #ubuntu.
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You could use FTP to grab FireFox off of ftp.mozilla.org
Sure. I've opened up my FTP client. I don't remember the location of Firefox. Where's the Google FTP search?
The problem is not one of possibility, but one of discoverability.
Using only your FTP client, how do you find out where you grab Opera, Chrome and Safari?
Now... you could remove the actual IE program itself, as few other programs depend on it, but what would be the point? To save a few megabytes?
The point is that a lot of people use IE for their web browsing needs by default, not because they have sampled the competition and find IE to be the better product.
If more people were to try other browsers, some of them might stick with their new default because it's the default, some might find they like it better, some might convert back to IE.
Whatever people choose, that's fine, but increased competition is always (or at least probably almost always) a Good Thing.
That'd be the point.
But you probably don't need to remove the executable, just don't have it show on the desktop or in the start menu. ... It'd be interesting to see how people would behave if they had three different icons saying "Teh Internets"; and especially so if none were IE. Would they pick the top one and stick to it? Would they try out all of them for a few times until they settle on one? Who knows.
It's probably the most well known and used scripting languages in existance.
It's probably the most well known scripting language.
Whether it's the most well used scripting language is an open question.
</snark>
The fact that you can write entire applications with it is just a (disturbing) side-effect.
This is what I've been saying all along. Side-effects are bad. Switch to a functional programming language, such as javascript, today.
Uhh... what were we talking about again? ;)
[in Excel 2007 that's] ~2M rows!
I can't help but notice that 2M ~= 2^21. So the index fits perfectly into one word of three 7-bit bytes.
Are Microsoft programmers optimizing for weird 60's architectures? ;)
Abstract: We propose a method for characterizing large complex networks by introducing a new matrix structure, unique for a given network, which encodes structural information
I should probably go follow your link, but on the face of it, this sounds like a 60's paper about the adjacency matrix :)
This is the evidence to what I've suspected all along - file sharing is [good]
Stated in a somewhat less politician-mocking way, I can definitely get behind this---
It's one thing to have an opinion based on an ideology. It's something very much different to have an opinion based on evidence and reasoning [or science, if you will]. It means you have a good argument for why Your Way should be public policy.
I assume that if politicians listen to science rather than money*, they'd give the general notion of allowing file sharing in some form more thought than otherwise. In fact, one danish politician has done so. She's in a minority party, far out on the left wing, and we have a right-wing government right now...
* My inner pessimist thinks that US politicians listen to US corporate money, and non-US politicians listen to US politicians. He may or may not see reality for what it is, and there are always shades of gray.
If only they'd learn to cook
What are you talking about?
I once ordered coffee and cookies at some cafe or coffee shop or something. Man, those were some great cookies!
I predict that people will still support the Dvorak layout
As do I.
based purly off being differnt or a desire to believe that ["I'm better"]
Really? Come on. REALLY?
I've seen a single freak or two on a mailing list, but at least 99% of the users I've heard say anything about the layout all stress the merits of the board (greater speed and/or more subjective comfort).
As would I: it's not so much fun having to type your password in QWERTY when you log in to the university's computers, so with that in mind I'd want everyone to be like me. But that's not going to happen: some people don't evaluate the trade-offs between time investment and benefits of the Dvorak keyboard layout the same way I do. Which is fine, they're entitled to their opinion, just as I'm entitled to not care about how a car engine works.
In a sense, it's much the same as the Linux user community: we're in the minority, but we use [the thing] because it benefits us, either subjectively or objectively. Not because we need to be different, or because it makes us feel better than everybody else.
We have a few loud freaks giving our community a bad name, but generally we just want to play along with others as long as they let us do our thing.
If we do go beyond just using [the thing] and onto advocacy, it's because we've only discovered [the thing] because we care more about technology and computers and such stuff than most people, and we think it's a pity that the public at large doesn't get to enjoy the benefits of this greatest thing since sliced bread---and that's of course only because they haven't been exposed to it.
I predict that Linux and Dvorak will live and die together, and survive or perish for the same reason(s).
In fact, I predict both will survive, and even strengthen in 2009 [Linux more so than Dvorak, because it's got a lot more momentum].
Would it help if we replaced it by a giant douche?
It doesn't matter [...] if 90% of them then have to keep it written on a post-it
Actually, writing down your passwords and sticking the note in your wallet is not a bad idea. The only reason the post-it solution is bad is because it's on your monitor where it's open to abuse.
a layer 7 filter
At my job, I'd like to have a layer 8 filter...
Wait didn't you hear about the new Google Gay Marriage beta?
I think lesbianism has been an integral part of Google image search for quite a while now...
I think my hope for the human race just died a little.
I think it just died in your arms tonight...
wouldn't it be nice if everyone you killed dropped gold and treasure?
No! It'd put me in a horrible dilemma! :(
Wait, are you saying that Obama should create or save Jobs?
It gives me the freedom to run 3d apps
No, it gives you the ability to (meaningfully) run certain apps. Your right and freedom to do so is not affected by your choice of driver.
while the open source driver gives me no extra freedom as I have zero intention of fiddling with its source code.
What you want to do is not the same as what you're allowed to do. You're not allowed all the four freedoms with the non-free nvidia driver, you are with the open source one. Just because you don't want to exercise the freedom you have doesn't mean you don't have it.
The nvidia driver is probably the better choice for you: by your own words, you'd rather run certain applications than be able to tinker with your video drivers. That's fine, go use what you want to use, that's none of my business.
But please don't confuse your concepts or try to redefine what freedom means. It's misleading and confusing [I'll give you the benefit of the doubt by assuming it's not deliberately so].
When most of your experienced users think your default options are crap and refuse to use any of them, perhaps it is a good time to change those defaults, eh?
Not necessarily. If it's easy for the experienced users to move a fresh system from the default state to that particular user's preferred state*, it makes a lot of sense to make the defaults be friendly to new users.
* which it is (up to the point where other defaults could have made it easy): dump and restore your list of installed packages. Write a shell script, or use some existing tool to do it.
If the defaults aren't reasonably friendly to new users, the potential users are going to get burned by the unix-beard-required defaults, go somewhere else, and not become experienced Debian users.
Also: just because people don't use a particular piece of software doesn't mean it's crap: it could be a matter of taste. I prefer bitlbee to Pidgin, but that doesn't mean that Pidgin is crap. Were that the case, the because most people don't use Linux then Linux must be crap. Clearly that can't be true... ;)
I've got little experience with Debian, but can compare Ubuntu to Fedora and say that Ubuntu sacrifices bells and whistles that a "tinker" like yourself would prefer so that it can deliver ease-of-use.
I disagree. You can easily install KDE (or kubuntu) if you like KDE over gnome, you can put evil hacks in your ~/.Xmodmap, you can trick out your desktop with conky, synergy, autocutsel (I use it to merge the two clipboards), [...]. You can make NetworkManager not do anything and use your own script that runs wpa_supplicant instead. Don't like OOo? Uninstall it, and install something else.
You can tweak your system to your heart's content.
What I think Debian does better, is cultivating a culture of experts. My subjective is that by my estimation of difficulty, #debian is better than #ubuntu at answering difficult questions.
Why burden the end user at install time when you've got such a cool package manager [...] [Debian net installer, most barest of options, easily add anything else you want.]
I'd guess that most people see waiting as an easy burden to shoulder--you read today's paper while doing it--while having to install everything in itty bitty increments and not knowing what to install is a much harder burden.
Given that Ubuntu is aimed at satisfying the needs and wants of "most people", I think Canonical made the right choice for Ubuntu.
By the way, the Debian project also made the right choice for Debian.
Annoying as they may often be, we ignore the proponents of openness and freedom at our peril.
And they serve a useful purpose even if no one agrees 100% with them: it's much easier to be middle-of-the-road if there's a bright neon sign indicating "extreme --> this way".
If you go read the ideological principles behind the Debian project, they're as close to Free As In FSF as you can get; I hear it's what RMS uses. You can say bad things about Debian (it's not as easy to use as Ubuntu, the software is old, the software is buggy, the mozilla icemonkeybird thing is stupid), but you can't say it isn't doing whatever it can to preserve software freedom for its users.
And I don't hear anyone calling the Debian people loonies.
And if you go read the Ubuntu Free Software Guidelines, they're $(sed 's/Debian/Ubuntu/g' DFSG.txt). Nobody is calling Ubuntu over-the-top crazy about Software Freedom.
50% of those questions are, why doesn't ubuntu work like windows.. :(
More important than the questions are the people who answer them.
In my experience, most of my questions in #ubuntu have gone unanswered. A good portion of my questions in #debian have been answered*. I remember once asking in the appropriate channel, not getting an answer, then asking the question in #gentoo and getting an answer.
* I should be fair, though: I installed debian first, and ubuntu some years later. I've probably asked a lot of easy questions in #debian that I didn't have to ask in #ubuntu. But even so, more recently I find #debian to be more helpful than #ubuntu.
YMMV.
It sounds like a modem problem to me.
I was thinking the parent was out of vespene gas...
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You can look forward to many hours of fun whacking goblins with your axe in search of the Golden Mic Stand from Kalimdor. When you have assembled a whole stage, you can hold concerts, and when you meet other players you can do battle.
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I just did a quick ping -c20 google.com and a ping -c20 google.dk (I'm in Denmark).
Results:
20 packets transmitted, 20 received, 0% packet loss, time 19000ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 191.052/193.721/202.976/3.950 ms
20 packets transmitted, 20 received, 0% packet loss, time 19002ms
rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 36.198/39.262/50.680/3.898 ms
I suggest echo 0 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/rfc{11,25}49 :P