I'm English, and I've had net access since I was 11. Proper TCPIP stack, no AOL crap. I did pay for it myself, but most of my friends also had net access and I never heard of any of them having access censored or restircted by their parents. What is it about American parents that makes them want to hurt their children so?
Abashed the Devil stood, And felt how awful goodness is
While it is a great day for the GNU project and hackers everwhere when such an excellent piece of security software has finally made the leap of faith to the free software family, I have certain reservations about the company behind it. They have been statically linking our binary sources with non-GPL source binaries proprietory.
Abashed the Devil stood, And felt how awful goodness is
i read a short story once about a couple who were having pioneering gene manipulation to produce a genius-child. one night they receive a message from their child in the future, sent backwards in time, telling them not to create him. apparently all humans who reach a certian IQ figure out a way to erase their own existence and hence achieve nirvana.
Abashed the Devil stood, And felt how awful goodness is
This reminds me of several things I have been thinking about recently:
Evolution is not just about survival, it is about breeding. Individuals with poor genes may survive, but no hot chicks will want to fuck them, so they will not pass those genes on.
Many 'nerds' and other less-than-prime specimens are able to attract women through their high salaries and material security. However, studies have shown that up to 50% of their children were actually conceived in extra-marital affares with hot young studs, because women have a deep instinct to get the best DNA for their offspring.
Many people with what would be considered 'undesirable' genes are able to mate quite easily with other ugly, stupid people. Just look at an episode of Jerry Springer for evidence of this. There is a theory that these people are breeding faster (a girl's IQ is proportional to the age at which she first gets knocked up, and inversley to the number of children she eventually has) and therefore evolution is decreasing our average IQ.
Many of the markers developed by evolution to pick out potential mates are actually quite accidental 'red herrings' that are now propogated through the mechanism of evolution, but serve no real purpose. For instance, one day a caveman decides he finds large breasts attractive. He marries a girl with big tits. All his children inherit his desire for breasts, and also look for wives with big knockers. Eventually, having large breasts is considered a desirable quality in a mate, even though it serves no real purpose.
Abashed the Devil stood, And felt how awful goodness is
your original point was about copyrighting computer code, not copyrighting numbers. my point was that they are not the same thing. you completely missed that, and you a fucking moron. a discussion of numbers is completely irrelevent.
however, i am not convinced that even your(irrelevent) examples themselves are correct. if Snell had written a book containing his Law and you printed copies of it, he could have prosecuted you. he couldnt have stopped you using the Law, and perhaps if you just copied the statement of the Law it would be allowed under fair-use... but his actual expression of it is copyrightable.
of course you cannot copyright a single number, in the same way you cannot copyright a word. But when your combination of numbers/words gets to be a certain size (sufficient to express an idea that is uniquely yours, i presume), you can enforce copyright over it.
there's no point debating this, because computer code is (mostly) not numbers, it is not laws of nature... it is CPU instructions, written text, sampled sound, drawn graphics, all of which are covered by copyright laws.
Abashed the Devil stood, And felt how awful goodness is
Apparently some of the managers were getting really sick of the BSOD. The techs installed Linux on their machines one night, and most of them didnt even notice. During a 'stragetic meeting' someone noted that the computer systems seemed much more reliable than before. Then the techs told them about the operating system switch. After that they decided they wanted to pass the improvement onto their customers by shipping Linux!
Abashed the Devil stood, And felt how awful goodness is
Anything represented on a digital computer is simply a binary number.
Evidently you have never taken a course in computer science.
Computers store configurations of electrons. These configurations correspond to 'on' and 'off' states. That is all. If you wish to interpret that as a binary number, that is your interpretation. A computer has no concept of 'number'. If you choose to interpret as text, you can do that too. Or you can even interpret the on/off states as a Britney Spears mp3.
IANAL, but I know copyright does not only apply to text. It applies to any form of recorded human expression. And those on/off states are certainly human expression.
Abashed the Devil stood, And felt how awful goodness is
he wasnt modded down, -1 is his default posting level. maybe that is because of that 'bitchslap' thing i hear so much about. shame really, he did a lot of good work on the debian project. maybe the bitchslap was for deserting RMS and going over to the evil of ESR and his 'open source' crap.
Abashed the Devil stood, And felt how awful goodness is
i'm sure i remember something in the HTML 4.0 spec that enables one to tell a browser to pre-load linked pages, but ive never seen a browser that actually implemented it.
Abashed the Devil stood, And felt how awful goodness is
must have been the TV making the noise, rather than the computer! (i suspected this actually, but i still use the TV and it doesn't seem to make any wierd noises when displaying TV channels)
Abashed the Devil stood, And felt how awful goodness is
1. Sarcasm is a useful tool. However, child-like sarcasm is a waste of keystrokes, as you look like an idiot. 2. Using the word cool over and over again is annoying. It makes you look like you have a severely inadequate vocabulary.
My post was intended to appear to be from someone who liked Signal 11. Such a person would indeed be a child-like idiot with an inadequate vocabulary.
For more information please go here for the Troll HowTo
I'm not really a troll, I'm just a free software zealot who dislikes Signall 11 and other karma whores. Nevertheless, that HowTo sounds interesting, do you have a link that works?
Abashed the Devil stood, And felt how awful goodness is
the amount of noise made by a C64 is directly proportional to the amount of the colour white currently being used on its display. i have no idea why this is the case, but all three of my C64s did it, so it wasn't a fluke. (i seem to recall one of my Amigas did it as well, until i got it fixed... maybe commodore are just shit at making computers)
Abashed the Devil stood, And felt how awful goodness is
the PSU fan doesnt just push out the heat from the PSU - it creates air-flow through the whole system. an ATX case is designed so that you can have additional intake fans at front (bottom) and additional outake fans at the back (top), but if you dont have any, then you are relying on the PSU fan to keep the air moving.
the CPU fan will push the hot air away from the CPU... but then the heat will stay in the case. the CPU will continue to heat the air until eventually all the air inside the case is the same temperature as the CPU, at which point you may as well turn off the CPU fan as well.
Abashed the Devil stood, And felt how awful goodness is
The models are supplied in their own custom format. There is software at http://www.vapourtech.com/products/software/avanew /avanew_install.exe which will convert these to Half-Life, but not Quake 3. Does anyone know how to convert them to Quake 3? I will pay a visit to the Dome tomorrow if I can get one in Quake 3 format.
Abashed the Devil stood, And felt how awful goodness is
No, I didn't know that. I just went to mysql.com and the source code is available. One of the versions is listed as a 'GPL version', the others arent. Can you confirm exactly what license the source is distributed under? (I cant be bothered to download it.)
Abashed the Devil stood, And felt how awful goodness is
And this is the only one of my points that you can refute?
I accept that those artists were paid, but I do not believe that they were motivated by profit. They were paid because people wanted to reward them. If no-one had wanted to reward them, they would have still produced art.
I like being naive. If everyone was naive they would be much happier.
Abashed the Devil stood, And felt how awful goodness is
Non-free software is not intrinsically bad, and you have no evidence to back up that statement.
Start at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html and then work your way through all the other essays on the web written on this topic and then tell me there is no evidence.
he world would also be a better place if all food and housing was free. But given that we (or at least most of us) live in the real world, everything is not always appropriate to be free software.
It appears you do not even grasp the difference between free beer and free speech. Of course you cannot compare software to food or houses. Try comparing it to music, art and literature.
Of course, I have evidence to back up my statement. There are no free regular end-user applications that are superior to their closed source equivalents. Zero, Zilch, Nada.
So what exactly is this email client I am using right now (pine)? Or the SSH client that I have running? Some sort of optical illusion on my monitor perhaps? I have tried closed source clients for both, but never found any as good. There are many other examples, but those happen to be two that I can see at this moment in front of me, which demonstrates that you dont know what you are talking about. Perhaps you are only familiar with Microsoft Windows, on which there are very few open souce programs.
On the other hand, server apps are the one place that OSS has shown some potential, so it clearly is not a complete failure.
Any fool can see that OSS is actually a complete sucess server-side, so again you are distorting reality.
But something tells me that it's going to take a few years for the blind idealism to fall from your eyes. Good luck to you.
If you wish me good luck, then wish that I always remain an idealist. The world may not be everything that it should be, but if we give up and stop dreaming, as you have, how can we ever hope to mould the world to fit those dreams?
Abashed the Devil stood, And felt how awful goodness is
Have you ever contributed any useful piece of software to the world, or do you just want software to be free so you can leach off of those who do contribute?
I have contributed according to my ability. Since my ability is not great, neither are my contributions, but both will increase in time.
Do you really think the world would be a better place if no one was paid to develop software, art, science, literature, or music?
Yes. I cannot think of a single breakthrough in science, art or literature that was motivated by financial gain.
It sounds to me like what you really mean is, "the world would be a better place FOR ME if all software were free."
Indeed it would be a better place for me. And what is good for me is also good for you and everyone else. If your personal good is not the same as the global good, it probably means what you consider to be good is, in fact, bad.
Someday, you probably will make something valuable and useful. And some other jerk like you will steal it. You'll think it's unjust, but you still won't see the irony.
Yes, I probably will make something useful. But it will be a piece of code, an idea, and therefore quite impossible for anyone to 'steal' from me. If a million people all copied it, i would still have it, and therefore i would have lost nothing. That is the difference between 'intelectual property' and real property. It is one of the most important differences in the world today, yet it is one that most people still fail to grasp.
Abashed the Devil stood, And felt how awful goodness is
Slashdot Mirror
i'm using M16 and it has no *random* crashes. most of the sites I visit, like Slashdot, never crash it. a few, like Google, crash it every time.
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
I'm English, and I've had net access since I was 11. Proper TCPIP stack, no AOL crap. I did pay for it myself, but most of my friends also had net access and I never heard of any of them having access censored or restircted by their parents. What is it about American parents that makes them want to hurt their children so?
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
All of those stories are true, except the one about slashdot.tv. Did you make that one up?
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
i read a short story once about a couple who were having pioneering gene manipulation to produce a genius-child. one night they receive a message from their child in the future, sent backwards in time, telling them not to create him. apparently all humans who reach a certian IQ figure out a way to erase their own existence and hence achieve nirvana.
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
Evolution is not just about survival, it is about breeding. Individuals with poor genes may survive, but no hot chicks will want to fuck them, so they will not pass those genes on.
Many 'nerds' and other less-than-prime specimens are able to attract women through their high salaries and material security. However, studies have shown that up to 50% of their children were actually conceived in extra-marital affares with hot young studs, because women have a deep instinct to get the best DNA for their offspring.
Many people with what would be considered 'undesirable' genes are able to mate quite easily with other ugly, stupid people. Just look at an episode of Jerry Springer for evidence of this. There is a theory that these people are breeding faster (a girl's IQ is proportional to the age at which she first gets knocked up, and inversley to the number of children she eventually has) and therefore evolution is decreasing our average IQ.
Many of the markers developed by evolution to pick out potential mates are actually quite accidental 'red herrings' that are now propogated through the mechanism of evolution, but serve no real purpose. For instance, one day a caveman decides he finds large breasts attractive. He marries a girl with big tits. All his children inherit his desire for breasts, and also look for wives with big knockers. Eventually, having large breasts is considered a desirable quality in a mate, even though it serves no real purpose.
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
however, i am not convinced that even your(irrelevent) examples themselves are correct. if Snell had written a book containing his Law and you printed copies of it, he could have prosecuted you. he couldnt have stopped you using the Law, and perhaps if you just copied the statement of the Law it would be allowed under fair-use... but his actual expression of it is copyrightable.
of course you cannot copyright a single number, in the same way you cannot copyright a word. But when your combination of numbers/words gets to be a certain size (sufficient to express an idea that is uniquely yours, i presume), you can enforce copyright over it.
there's no point debating this, because computer code is (mostly) not numbers, it is not laws of nature... it is CPU instructions, written text, sampled sound, drawn graphics, all of which are covered by copyright laws.
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
Apparently some of the managers were getting really sick of the BSOD. The techs installed Linux on their machines one night, and most of them didnt even notice. During a 'stragetic meeting' someone noted that the computer systems seemed much more reliable than before. Then the techs told them about the operating system switch. After that they decided they wanted to pass the improvement onto their customers by shipping Linux!
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
Evidently you have never taken a course in computer science.
Computers store configurations of electrons. These configurations correspond to 'on' and 'off' states. That is all. If you wish to interpret that as a binary number, that is your interpretation. A computer has no concept of 'number'. If you choose to interpret as text, you can do that too. Or you can even interpret the on/off states as a Britney Spears mp3.
IANAL, but I know copyright does not only apply to text. It applies to any form of recorded human expression. And those on/off states are certainly human expression.
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
he wasnt modded down, -1 is his default posting level. maybe that is because of that 'bitchslap' thing i hear so much about. shame really, he did a lot of good work on the debian project. maybe the bitchslap was for deserting RMS and going over to the evil of ESR and his 'open source' crap.
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
depends whether you are:
(a) an 3l33t hA>0r
(b) a male zebra.
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
i'm sure i remember something in the HTML 4.0 spec that enables one to tell a browser to pre-load linked pages, but ive never seen a browser that actually implemented it.
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
must have been the TV making the noise, rather than the computer! (i suspected this actually, but i still use the TV and it doesn't seem to make any wierd noises when displaying TV channels)
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
My post was intended to appear to be from someone who liked Signal 11. Such a person would indeed be a child-like idiot with an inadequate vocabulary.
For more information please go here for the Troll HowTo
I'm not really a troll, I'm just a free software zealot who dislikes Signall 11 and other karma whores. Nevertheless, that HowTo sounds interesting, do you have a link that works?
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
the amount of noise made by a C64 is directly proportional to the amount of the colour white currently being used on its display. i have no idea why this is the case, but all three of my C64s did it, so it wasn't a fluke. (i seem to recall one of my Amigas did it as well, until i got it fixed... maybe commodore are just shit at making computers)
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
the PSU fan doesnt just push out the heat from the PSU - it creates air-flow through the whole system. an ATX case is designed so that you can have additional intake fans at front (bottom) and additional outake fans at the back (top), but if you dont have any, then you are relying on the PSU fan to keep the air moving.
the CPU fan will push the hot air away from the CPU... but then the heat will stay in the case. the CPU will continue to heat the air until eventually all the air inside the case is the same temperature as the CPU, at which point you may as well turn off the CPU fan as well.
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
I posted this at 16:32 BST. You posted this at 17:48, and you neglected to include a link. Are you a fucking idiot?
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
It's not exactly what you asked for, but near the bottom of the page is a matrix of licenses, and above it are pretty good descriptions of them.
http://www.oreilly.com/ catalog/opensources/book/perens.html
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
The models are supplied in their own custom format. There is software at http://www.vapourtech.com/products/software/avanew /avanew_install.exe
which will convert these to Half-Life, but not Quake 3. Does anyone know how to convert them to Quake 3? I will pay a visit to the Dome tomorrow if I can get one in Quake 3 format.
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
'The Great Linux Debate'
Outside the show
Mailbox Internet
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
Students were banned from attending this one. My friends and I had to make up a fake company name to get tickets.
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
No, I didn't know that. I just went to mysql.com and the source code is available. One of the versions is listed as a 'GPL version', the others arent. Can you confirm exactly what license the source is distributed under? (I cant be bothered to download it.)
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
I accept that those artists were paid, but I do not believe that they were motivated by profit. They were paid because people wanted to reward them. If no-one had wanted to reward them, they would have still produced art.
I like being naive. If everyone was naive they would be much happier.
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
Start at http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/shouldbefree.html and then work your way through all the other essays on the web written on this topic and then tell me there is no evidence.
he world would also be a better place if all food and housing was free. But given that we (or at least most of us) live in the real world, everything is not always appropriate to be free software.
It appears you do not even grasp the difference between free beer and free speech. Of course you cannot compare software to food or houses. Try comparing it to music, art and literature.
Of course, I have evidence to back up my statement. There are no free regular end-user applications that are superior to their closed source equivalents. Zero, Zilch, Nada.
So what exactly is this email client I am using right now (pine)? Or the SSH client that I have running? Some sort of optical illusion on my monitor perhaps? I have tried closed source clients for both, but never found any as good. There are many other examples, but those happen to be two that I can see at this moment in front of me, which demonstrates that you dont know what you are talking about. Perhaps you are only familiar with Microsoft Windows, on which there are very few open souce programs.
On the other hand, server apps are the one place that OSS has shown some potential, so it clearly is not a complete failure.
Any fool can see that OSS is actually a complete sucess server-side, so again you are distorting reality.
But something tells me that it's going to take a few years for the blind idealism to fall from your eyes. Good luck to you.
If you wish me good luck, then wish that I always remain an idealist. The world may not be everything that it should be, but if we give up and stop dreaming, as you have, how can we ever hope to mould the world to fit those dreams?
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is
I have contributed according to my ability. Since my ability is not great, neither are my contributions, but both will increase in time.
Do you really think the world would be a better place if no one was paid to develop software, art, science, literature, or music?
Yes. I cannot think of a single breakthrough in science, art or literature that was motivated by financial gain.
It sounds to me like what you really mean is, "the world would be a better place FOR ME if all software were free."
Indeed it would be a better place for me. And what is good for me is also good for you and everyone else. If your personal good is not the same as the global good, it probably means what you consider to be good is, in fact, bad.
Someday, you probably will make something valuable and useful. And some other jerk like you will steal it. You'll think it's unjust, but you still won't see the irony.
Yes, I probably will make something useful. But it will be a piece of code, an idea, and therefore quite impossible for anyone to 'steal' from me. If a million people all copied it, i would still have it, and therefore i would have lost nothing. That is the difference between 'intelectual property' and real property. It is one of the most important differences in the world today, yet it is one that most people still fail to grasp.
Abashed the Devil stood,
And felt how awful goodness is