Just look around you, software is everywhere. Are you stupid or just a troll?
What the fuck are you talking about? Let's look at what my last post was replying to:
But how can someone claim that computers in computer science are merely a tool, if so much of computer science is about trying to find ways to use computers to do stuff which doesn't even have anything to do with either computers or computer science??
You are claiming here that much of computer science has to do with "stuff that doesn't have anything to do with computers or computer science". Okay, I'll accept this claim, as long as you provide examples and a logical argument to back it up.
This then raises the question: have you provided any examples or logical arguments to back up this claim? The answer is no, you have not. You stake a claim yet fail to provide any reasons as to how this claim relates to reality. That is why I replied in the manner I did.
To summarize: unless you get around to doing the above, your claim is bullshit. And I'm not going to waste any more time holding your hand through Writing A Coherent Argument 101. Have a nice day.
When people talk about freedom (real freedom, not the politician's word), what are they talking about? FREEDOM FROM GOVERNMENT.
I disagree. When I think of "freedom", I think of "freedom from oppression". While it is true that governments are, at times, a source of oppression, there are other times when they help get rid of oppression. World War II and the US Civil Rights movement are two examples where governments helped reduce oppression.
Now one could argue that in both of these examples, governments were also the ones doing the oppression. The Nazi party controlled the government of Germany. Jim Crow laws were enforced by various US governmental bodies. But this misses my point, which is the fact that governments are not always the source of oppression.
And I completely agree that there must always be a stuggle to maintain freedom. However, this struggle is not against a mythical, evil "government", and the same stuggle would exist even in an anarcho-utopia-land. It is the struggle against those who hold power over others. When people do not hold power over others, real freedom can exist.
Nah, Microsoft will release the Xbox++ in 2009, forcing Sony and Nintendo to scramble and put out a new system prematurely. Go ahead and laugh, but I'm beginning to think this is an actual part of their attack plan.
Start by looking at their "real" business of Windows and Office, and it makes a strange sort of Microsofty sense, however illogical. Business "analysts" love blowing steam about new product X from megacorp Y and how it will dominate the marketplace. Wall Street wants more more more. The mainstream press still doesn't understand games, but they know Microsoft == computers, so they'll obviously get top billing.
Obviously this doesn't mean any of this will succeed. So far, it hasn't. But you never know.
I guess that would explain all the N64 ROM sites that popped up once N64 emulation got up to speed. Oh wait.
Obviously, ROMs and emulation are not the same thing as playing copied carts/discs on an actual system. However, your point here is that carts cut down on copying/piracy. This is absolutely not true. For more recent examples, see the GBA and DS.
This article barely touches on web standards at all. The only thing they cover is whether or not each browser renders Acid2 correctly. They don't cover any other aspects of CSS, and they mention none of the other standards browsers must deal with (HTML, DOM, etc). In fact, their section on Acid2 simply has screenshots of how each browser renders the test. They don't even go into what Firefox or IE get wrong!
How can you claim that "Opera is in the lead, with the rest nowhere"? Citing this article as your basis for comparison regarding web standards is completely illogical. That said, there are other comparisons which are much better. Unfortunately, you mention none of them. Better luck next time.
And with Nintendo going with Opera for both the Nintendo DS and the Wii, Opera's marketshare might soon explode beyond 1-2%.
Opera is on other embedded systems as well (cell phones, PDAs, etc), and their install base could become really big because of this. However, I think you glossed over how this works out in reality. Let me explain.
The majority of web browsing is done on "real" computers, and by this I mean desktops, laptops, and similar devices[1]. These are machines that have keyboards, mice, and nice big screens. The screen size is especially important here, as it is big enough to allow text to be displayed at a size similar to a "real" book, magazine, or page of paper.
Cell phones, PDAs, and portable game consoles don't have lots of screen real estate. The lack of keyboard hurts a lot as well. Not a lot of people are going to be doing extended surfing on these things. This translates into Opera getting little to no significant boost in marketshare.
And regarding the Wii, I doubt that lots of people will be using it for Web surfing. As far as I know, it doesn't support HD, so you're stuck with standard TV resolution. I tried using my Dreamcast for web surfing, and it was really not a great experience.
[1] "Similar devices" include things like thin clients and web appliances.
Congrats on getting hung up on the implementation. The "conclusion" that Dijkstra is trying to get across is that the point of a discipline is not to study the tools it uses to get its job done. Claiming that astronomy is somehow SOOO DIFFERENT because it involves natural phenomena completely misses the point.
Public outcry against the workings of the World Wide Web Consortium (W3C) is growing
Okay, so we have one guy who was part of the W3C and just resigned. Then we have some other guy bitching on his blog. This is not "public outcry". In fact, it's barely above the level of scene drama.
If this momentous, deafining outcry was really happening, we would have seen multiple things like this happening recently. This is not the case. Instead, we get an out-of-the-blue submission by some guy who appears to have nothing to do with the W3C or web standards at all. And of course, the Slashdot ethos of sensationalism and minimal fact-checking are in full force, so we get a (most likely) unedited blurb that is factually incorrect and extremely partisan.
This is absolutely, demonstrably false. In the "current generation", the Xbox's market share is roughly equal to the Gamecube (22 million vs. 20.6 million, respectively). Sony has sold 100 million PS2s.
However, looking beyond these numbers reveals two things. The first is that they completely ignore the handheld market, in which Nintendo dominates and Sony is struggling. The second is that the "Xbox divison" has cost MS $4 billion (as of 2005).
But of course, there is now the 360. Unfortunately, things aren't looking that good for MS. The Xbox and 360 combined are selling slightly less than the PS2 in the US. Japan is much worse, with the 360 barely outselling the Gamecube in 2006.
google products and servers really only even compete with a few microsoft ones,
There are a couple of angles I see this whole "battle" from. One is that monopolies don't last forever, and MS needs to move into new markets so that they can survive after Windows + Office falters. Google is a big competitor in the areas of information services.
The other is that Microsoft has traditionally made lots of money by tying products together so that competitors cannot interoperate on their platform. By "platform", I mean Windows, Windows Server, Exchange, Office, and so on. Google is a threat here, as many of their services simply need a web browser, bypassing the MS platform completely.
Disregarding the two points above, Google probably still scares the hell out of Microsoft. Google is a much more chaotic force than MS, releasing weird new tools that are a by-product of allowing your coders to work on "fun" projects. They are also a much more agile company: MS relies on having Windows pre-installed at retail, as well as long-term licensing contracts. This strategy takes a few years to get the new products entrenched (see the uptake of new MS operating systems over time for a good example). Google can throw a new app up on their site any time they want.
The only one with enough recognition to sell games would be the first war in Iraq, and that'd lose too many sales due to the tastelessness factor brought on by making a game like that while we're over there fighting again.
Contrary to popular belief, it's not actually possible to run a Windows OS at full speed! By the time your hardware is fast enough to run some version of Windows that fast, that version won't support your hardware.
I guess this is kind of a Microsoft Koan or something.
Newsflash: all video games are DRM'd! Well, not all, but I'm pretty sure it's over 99%. And if you live in the US, the DMCA prevents most people from getting around this.
This is very true: I bought a Street Fighter collection that contained all the iterations of the original SF II games, as well as an SF III game. PS2, thirty bucks, not on sale.
I've also heard that was a way to extract the data from games and make it into a neat little binary file you can store on your computer, and then use some special software to emulate whatever hardware the game runs on normally. Hmm, I can't quite think of it... (dot dot dot)
Cartels exist because they have the legal monopoly to do so.
Um, yep. There's no possible way that a cartel can exist by the use of force, or deception, or something else. Cartels can only exist when the big bad Government takes away your Freedom(tm). Never mind the fact that some anarcho-capitalist values lead directly to cartels. One example: the level of private property rights advocated by anarcho-capitalists.
Of course, the textbook response to this is that any cartels will be taken care of by The Market. The Market is completely impervious to Bad Coercive Things like wage-slavery, greed, propaganda, discrimination, and so on. Bad Coercive Things like this will only happen when you give up your Freedom to those awful Governments.
Honestly dude, I often wonder if you are really just an extremely elaborate troll. "Dada" indeed.
Either you're trolling, or you are completely oblivious to reality.
The most popular web server software is Apache. This software is Free/Open. Why would this software be the most popular if it is horribly insecure? The answer, of course, is that it wouldn't.
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Um, right. So to summarize:
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Just look around you, software is everywhere. Are you stupid or just a troll?
What the fuck are you talking about? Let's look at what my last post was replying to:
But how can someone claim that computers in computer science are merely a tool, if so much of computer science is about trying to find ways to use computers to do stuff which doesn't even have anything to do with either computers or computer science??
You are claiming here that much of computer science has to do with "stuff that doesn't have anything to do with computers or computer science". Okay, I'll accept this claim, as long as you provide examples and a logical argument to back it up.
This then raises the question: have you provided any examples or logical arguments to back up this claim? The answer is no, you have not. You stake a claim yet fail to provide any reasons as to how this claim relates to reality. That is why I replied in the manner I did.
To summarize: unless you get around to doing the above, your claim is bullshit. And I'm not going to waste any more time holding your hand through Writing A Coherent Argument 101. Have a nice day.
When people talk about freedom (real freedom, not the politician's word), what are they talking about? FREEDOM FROM GOVERNMENT.
I disagree. When I think of "freedom", I think of "freedom from oppression". While it is true that governments are, at times, a source of oppression, there are other times when they help get rid of oppression. World War II and the US Civil Rights movement are two examples where governments helped reduce oppression.
Now one could argue that in both of these examples, governments were also the ones doing the oppression. The Nazi party controlled the government of Germany. Jim Crow laws were enforced by various US governmental bodies. But this misses my point, which is the fact that governments are not always the source of oppression.
And I completely agree that there must always be a stuggle to maintain freedom. However, this struggle is not against a mythical, evil "government", and the same stuggle would exist even in an anarcho-utopia-land. It is the struggle against those who hold power over others. When people do not hold power over others, real freedom can exist.
I'm curious how they plan to let you get yourself out of an infinite portal loop
Ctrl-C?
Nah, Microsoft will release the Xbox++ in 2009, forcing Sony and Nintendo to scramble and put out a new system prematurely. Go ahead and laugh, but I'm beginning to think this is an actual part of their attack plan.
Start by looking at their "real" business of Windows and Office, and it makes a strange sort of Microsofty sense, however illogical. Business "analysts" love blowing steam about new product X from megacorp Y and how it will dominate the marketplace. Wall Street wants more more more. The mainstream press still doesn't understand games, but they know Microsoft == computers, so they'll obviously get top billing.
Obviously this doesn't mean any of this will succeed. So far, it hasn't. But you never know.
[carts] are damn near copy proof
I guess that would explain all the N64 ROM sites that popped up once N64 emulation got up to speed. Oh wait.
Obviously, ROMs and emulation are not the same thing as playing copied carts/discs on an actual system. However, your point here is that carts cut down on copying/piracy. This is absolutely not true. For more recent examples, see the GBA and DS.
I have a PS2 ... and I like the company's engineering and manufacturing quality control.
Hahahahahaha.
No but seriously, thanks for the laugh.
That's a nice assertion you got there. Too bad you can't come up with any examples to back it up.
Comparing Firefox to Konqueror is like comparing vi to emacs.
This article barely touches on web standards at all. The only thing they cover is whether or not each browser renders Acid2 correctly. They don't cover any other aspects of CSS, and they mention none of the other standards browsers must deal with (HTML, DOM, etc). In fact, their section on Acid2 simply has screenshots of how each browser renders the test. They don't even go into what Firefox or IE get wrong!
How can you claim that "Opera is in the lead, with the rest nowhere"? Citing this article as your basis for comparison regarding web standards is completely illogical. That said, there are other comparisons which are much better. Unfortunately, you mention none of them. Better luck next time.
And with Nintendo going with Opera for both the Nintendo DS and the Wii, Opera's marketshare might soon explode beyond 1-2%.
Opera is on other embedded systems as well (cell phones, PDAs, etc), and their install base could become really big because of this. However, I think you glossed over how this works out in reality. Let me explain.
The majority of web browsing is done on "real" computers, and by this I mean desktops, laptops, and similar devices[1]. These are machines that have keyboards, mice, and nice big screens. The screen size is especially important here, as it is big enough to allow text to be displayed at a size similar to a "real" book, magazine, or page of paper.
Cell phones, PDAs, and portable game consoles don't have lots of screen real estate. The lack of keyboard hurts a lot as well. Not a lot of people are going to be doing extended surfing on these things. This translates into Opera getting little to no significant boost in marketshare.
And regarding the Wii, I doubt that lots of people will be using it for Web surfing. As far as I know, it doesn't support HD, so you're stuck with standard TV resolution. I tried using my Dreamcast for web surfing, and it was really not a great experience.
[1] "Similar devices" include things like thin clients and web appliances.
Congrats on getting hung up on the implementation. The "conclusion" that Dijkstra is trying to get across is that the point of a discipline is not to study the tools it uses to get its job done. Claiming that astronomy is somehow SOOO DIFFERENT because it involves natural phenomena completely misses the point.
Okay, so we have one guy who was part of the W3C and just resigned. Then we have some other guy bitching on his blog. This is not "public outcry". In fact, it's barely above the level of scene drama.
If this momentous, deafining outcry was really happening, we would have seen multiple things like this happening recently. This is not the case. Instead, we get an out-of-the-blue submission by some guy who appears to have nothing to do with the W3C or web standards at all. And of course, the Slashdot ethos of sensationalism and minimal fact-checking are in full force, so we get a (most likely) unedited blurb that is factually incorrect and extremely partisan.
X-Boxen are outselling Sony Playstatia
This is absolutely, demonstrably false. In the "current generation", the Xbox's market share is roughly equal to the Gamecube (22 million vs. 20.6 million, respectively). Sony has sold 100 million PS2s.
However, looking beyond these numbers reveals two things. The first is that they completely ignore the handheld market, in which Nintendo dominates and Sony is struggling. The second is that the "Xbox divison" has cost MS $4 billion (as of 2005).
But of course, there is now the 360. Unfortunately, things aren't looking that good for MS. The Xbox and 360 combined are selling slightly less than the PS2 in the US. Japan is much worse, with the 360 barely outselling the Gamecube in 2006.
google products and servers really only even compete with a few microsoft ones,
There are a couple of angles I see this whole "battle" from. One is that monopolies don't last forever, and MS needs to move into new markets so that they can survive after Windows + Office falters. Google is a big competitor in the areas of information services.
The other is that Microsoft has traditionally made lots of money by tying products together so that competitors cannot interoperate on their platform. By "platform", I mean Windows, Windows Server, Exchange, Office, and so on. Google is a threat here, as many of their services simply need a web browser, bypassing the MS platform completely.
Disregarding the two points above, Google probably still scares the hell out of Microsoft. Google is a much more chaotic force than MS, releasing weird new tools that are a by-product of allowing your coders to work on "fun" projects. They are also a much more agile company: MS relies on having Windows pre-installed at retail, as well as long-term licensing contracts. This strategy takes a few years to get the new products entrenched (see the uptake of new MS operating systems over time for a good example). Google can throw a new app up on their site any time they want.
There's also the rural setting, which I don't think has been adequately explored...
while stuff_to_do > 0:
do stuff();
else:
beer.drink();
end
It's really not that different from anywhere else.
The only one with enough recognition to sell games would be the first war in Iraq, and that'd lose too many sales due to the tastelessness factor brought on by making a game like that while we're over there fighting again.
Conflict: Desert Storm
Conflict: Desert Storm II
Contrary to popular belief, it's not actually possible to run a Windows OS at full speed! By the time your hardware is fast enough to run some version of Windows that fast, that version won't support your hardware.
I guess this is kind of a Microsoft Koan or something.
I've already read your original post. I don't need to read it again.
Oh man, because xbox live games are all DRM'd
Newsflash: all video games are DRM'd! Well, not all, but I'm pretty sure it's over 99%. And if you live in the US, the DMCA prevents most people from getting around this.
This is very true: I bought a Street Fighter collection that contained all the iterations of the original SF II games, as well as an SF III game. PS2, thirty bucks, not on sale.
I've also heard that was a way to extract the data from games and make it into a neat little binary file you can store on your computer, and then use some special software to emulate whatever hardware the game runs on normally. Hmm, I can't quite think of it... (dot dot dot)
Cartels exist because they have the legal monopoly to do so.
Um, yep. There's no possible way that a cartel can exist by the use of force, or deception, or something else. Cartels can only exist when the big bad Government takes away your Freedom(tm). Never mind the fact that some anarcho-capitalist values lead directly to cartels. One example: the level of private property rights advocated by anarcho-capitalists.
Of course, the textbook response to this is that any cartels will be taken care of by The Market. The Market is completely impervious to Bad Coercive Things like wage-slavery, greed, propaganda, discrimination, and so on. Bad Coercive Things like this will only happen when you give up your Freedom to those awful Governments.
Honestly dude, I often wonder if you are really just an extremely elaborate troll. "Dada" indeed.
Either you're trolling, or you are completely oblivious to reality.
The most popular web server software is Apache. This software is Free/Open. Why would this software be the most popular if it is horribly insecure? The answer, of course, is that it wouldn't.
The US government would not be required to honor this request _UNLESS_ they had already distributed the binary for same to KJI.
This brings up some interesting questions. Does software on a missile count as "distribution"?
On the other hand, there's a 4 out of 5 chance that MS stockholders will force them to release by Jan '07.