I will repeat my argument.
If you don't want to use GPL, for whatever reason, more power to you. I respect your right to publish your code under the license you choose. I hope you respect my right to publish my code under GPL.
If I don't accept your license, I will not use your code. If you don't accept GPL, nobody forces you, or your clients, to use my code. As I said I am sure there are many commercial options.
About your example. Assuming that you used my GPL software, you would be just one of my clients. Thus if you gave me back any changes you made, but I could not redistribute them, it would be not enough a compensation. I want to be able to redistribute the code so that I get more contributions from others.
By the way, if you client combined your code (you give your clients the source as you said) with GPL code, it would not be a problem at all. Since you forbid them to redistribute your code anyway, GPL explicitly allows them to change GPL code, without giving anything back.
You are obviously a troll. I make GPL software. I want to help my neighbors, even you. You may not want to, or you may have other reasons for not making GPL software. More power to you. I respect your right, and I hope you respect my right to publish my software under the license I choose. You can take my GPL software and use it freely and copy it to all the computers at your office. You can make changes to my software and you are not forced to publish the changes as long as you keep the changes within your office. I allow you to do so.
But if you want to publish my software with any changes you made, I want compensation for my hard work. I don't want your money, you may be a poor student. I want the changes you made, so that I can use them too. This is the license that I chose about my software, and I hope again that you respect it.
Otherwise, please don't use my software. Nobody is forcing you to do so, and certainly not me. There are more than plenty commercial options. Choose one, or make your own.
But the way I see it, is that you complain because you want to profit from my hard work without the compensation I asked for. To paraphrase your argument, you want to take a bite out of my donut, without paying.
Genetic algorithms is just another numerical optimization method programed by human programmers. The computer did nothing by itself. I am sure that the same results (perhaps a little better but at the cost of more time according to literature) can be obtained by simulated annealing. Definitely not AI.
AI is when the computer learns from previous experience. GA do nothing like that.
Seriously? And what happens when people look at the competition? They see nice enough systems that don't run the fucking programs people want and need.
No matter how many times people here want to say it, it just isn't true: You can't take a mainstream user from Windows to "Linux/Android/whatever" without a LOT of pain, hand holding, etc., unless that person is such a lightweight user that s/he lives in a browser.
I've tried numerous times over the years to escape from MS Hell, having been a user of their crapware since MS DOS 1.0, and it's always the same story: Linux has a long list of great attributes and one hideous flaw, the lack of application (and sometimes driver) support.
Until that situation changes, MS still has its customers by the short hairs, and they aren't letting go.
Seriously? Where I work the single program that keeps us from all day linux is autocad. We have 50 licenses of autocad 2005 running in xp machines. We do not plan to upgrade as autocad newer versions has nothing more that would justify 4500 Euros for each license. Windows vista doesn't run it. Windows 7 doesn't run it (linux/wine does run a version of it). About drivers, I do have an hp photosmart 7350. Windows 7 does not have a driver and even HP says there is no driver for Windows 7. Linux does have a full feature driver and it has had it since ages. Linux has more drivers than Windows and MacOS, and it has them right from the start when you install it. This is my experience, but then again I am not a gamer.
The thing that I liked most with netware 3.1* was the fantastic undelete it had. It never really erased anything unless it was out of storage. Once I remember I undeleted a file I had erased one month before. And the undelete was no hassle at all. You just looked at a list of the "erased" files and chose whichever you wanted. It's the only thing I (still) miss since I migrated to Linux in 1999.
Have you used anything else? IMHO MSVS is horrible. It is just like MSWord (and possibly others - I have been running Linux for a decade:)). Someone is used to it, and they don't know the trouble they are into. If/when someone tries something-anything- else, and persist for more than a month, then the weakness of MSVS, MSWord is evident.
And yes, I have seen this many times happening to my students (it is however extremely difficult to persuade a student to try something else than what they are used to, and mostly I have given up trying).
I think this is a major factor - people know where to find information now without having to ask Google. They know about Amazon, they know about Wikipedia, they know about their favorite news sites.
Google has its use, but people aren't having to use Google to find everything the way they used to.
This is simply not so. The search mechanism that Amazon and Wikipedia have, is far far far.. (n times) behind Google. It is much much (n times) better to use Google to search either Amazon or Wikipedia. In other words Google searhes Google and Wikipedia better than themselves.
I downloaded PCBSD (a FreeBSD distribution) last weekend. I installed it in an old PC. Everything went fine and it did detect the wireless NIC. I downloaded gcc, g++, gfortran, python and compiled all my programs (console based and graphics based). No surprises. I was either lucky,
or FreeBSD/PCBSD is mature enough to be used as desktop OS.
It was a nice experience to use something else than Linux, and be productive as well:)
I am a power user. I use CL continuously. I have also been using KDE since last century. AND I LIKE unity. Its different, it works (in 11.10), my programs (graphics and text based) run equally well as in KDE (SuSE), and CL is a only click away for power users. Thanks Ubuntu; we have yet another Desktop choice in Linux.
Oh come on. RMS has said that since ages. Look, how do we make a road? The state pays civil engineers to design and manufacture it, and then it is free for all. Of course it needs maintenance, and again the state pays people to the job.
Thus, if we need structural analysis software, developers get paid to do it and maintain it by tax money, and everyone has it for free.
Things change. Noone has a god-given right to earn money, if they do something that people don't care. To see how ridiculous is the assertion of the gggg-grand father, I will para-phrase it, A LITTLE:
I need to feed my family. I write SNOBOL code for a living. How do I get paid for doing this in a world where all software is in C++/Java/Python?
I don't believe Google is doing this. You have to concentrate on the (hard) facts:
1. Google search is free and efficient. If MS and (in fact most of America) drives Google out of business, forget search engines for free. And forget good results; MS has already shown that it gives you the results which MS wants to give.
2. Google maps. The same.
3. Google earth. The money that you need to get satellite photos is insane. Yet Google gives it for free. It has helped me and my colleagues enormously.
4. Google translate. A very essential tool for me and almost everyone I know. For free.
5. Google mail.
6. Google Lunar prize. If this does not convince you, then nothing can.
7. VP8 codec, which Google bought and set it free.
And if they make a buck with advertisements, then good.
I've posted this several times since last millennium... Please consider the fact that the vast majority of people (myself included) do not speak English (as their native language). To us, GIMP means no more than IBM, and it sounds better than Photoshop.
Welcome to the unintended consequences of your actions. Next time think about what you're doing a little harder.
What unintended? That's what they asked for, that's what they got. I am all for EU, I am European myself, but for once an American company did exactly what the court ordered. And now we complain?
"Debian kFreeBSD is a toy OS, people really shouldn't misunderstand that.''
It is extremely important to have more than one free kernel. In other slashdot stories we all have seen the attack to Android, which is basically Linux. How long before MS Apple and other criminals (convicted monopolists) attack Linux to oblivion in USA. I just hope, that Europe might come to their senses, and continue to resist software patents.
I had hope about free Solaris, because I believed that Sun could protect the OS with their patent portfolio. But now Sun is Oracle.
So, Debian kFreeBSD and Debian kHurd, are invaluable projects. It must be made clear to those criminals that if they nuked Linux, everyone would switch to a replacement kernel (FreeBSD) without affecting the userland. And if they nuked FreeBSD too, then we could switch to Hurd, and the criminals would have to start all over again.
By the way, of course Debian kFreeBSD would be a toy OS. Didn't MS say so about Linux at the start? didn't old Unix vendors say exactly the same about Windows? And before that wasn't DOS only for playing around with toy computers?
In this case NASA is obsoleted by Arthur Clarke who envisioned telecommunication satellites earlier. And the space race to the moon was started by Russia. It was their idea. Yet who does not credit NASA with rockets, spaceships and all space staff?
To repeat what/.ers have stated many times. Ideas (and non-hardware patents) are cheap. Implementations are difficult.
I develop a free CAD program in my spare time. It would be nice to add (accurate) handling of satellite images. I am virtually the only developer, yet ESA does not seem to mind; it says an "organization" may be an individual and need not be a legal entity in order to apply as a mentor. And I know at least one Ph.D. student on the subject who would welcome a donation.
Kudos to ESA.
You do not give a reason why Windoze is easier. I will give you one why Linux is easier. My 8 years old son, has installed SuSE 11.3 in 3 computers today. Complete with all the applications. And connected to the internet. And 2 of the computers are laptops. In half an hour (for each computer). So, please. At least in slashdot, people have a clue.
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I will repeat my argument. If you don't want to use GPL, for whatever reason, more power to you. I respect your right to publish your code under the license you choose. I hope you respect my right to publish my code under GPL.
If I don't accept your license, I will not use your code. If you don't accept GPL, nobody forces you, or your clients, to use my code. As I said I am sure there are many commercial options.
About your example. Assuming that you used my GPL software, you would be just one of my clients. Thus if you gave me back any changes you made, but I could not redistribute them, it would be not enough a compensation. I want to be able to redistribute the code so that I get more contributions from others.
By the way, if you client combined your code (you give your clients the source as you said) with GPL code, it would not be a problem at all. Since you forbid them to redistribute your code anyway, GPL explicitly allows them to change GPL code, without giving anything back.
You are obviously a troll.
I make GPL software. I want to help my neighbors, even you. You may not want to, or you may have other reasons for not making GPL software. More power to you. I respect your right, and I hope you respect my right to publish my software under the license I choose.
You can take my GPL software and use it freely and copy it to all the computers at your office. You can make changes to my software and you are not forced to publish the changes as long as you keep the changes within your office. I allow you to do so.
But if you want to publish my software with any changes you made, I want compensation for my hard work. I don't want your money, you may be a poor student. I want the changes you made, so that I can use them too. This is the license that I chose about my software, and I hope again that you respect it.
Otherwise, please don't use my software. Nobody is forcing you to do so, and certainly not me. There are more than plenty commercial options. Choose one, or make your own.
But the way I see it, is that you complain because you want to profit from my hard work without the compensation I asked for. To paraphrase your argument, you want to take a bite out of my donut, without paying.
After Oracle's suit against Google about Java, I am not going to touch Java again.
Genetic algorithms is just another numerical optimization method programed by human programmers. The computer did nothing by itself. I am sure that the same results (perhaps a little better but at the cost of more time according to literature) can be obtained by simulated annealing. Definitely not AI.
AI is when the computer learns from previous experience. GA do nothing like that.
Impressive and cool!
Seriously? And what happens when people look at the competition? They see nice enough systems that don't run the fucking programs people want and need.
No matter how many times people here want to say it, it just isn't true: You can't take a mainstream user from Windows to "Linux/Android/whatever" without a LOT of pain, hand holding, etc., unless that person is such a lightweight user that s/he lives in a browser.
I've tried numerous times over the years to escape from MS Hell, having been a user of their crapware since MS DOS 1.0, and it's always the same story: Linux has a long list of great attributes and one hideous flaw, the lack of application (and sometimes driver) support.
Until that situation changes, MS still has its customers by the short hairs, and they aren't letting go.
Seriously? Where I work the single program that keeps us from all day linux is autocad. We have 50 licenses of autocad 2005 running in xp machines. We do not plan to upgrade as autocad newer versions has nothing more that would justify 4500 Euros for each license. Windows vista doesn't run it. Windows 7 doesn't run it (linux/wine does run a version of it). About drivers, I do have an hp photosmart 7350. Windows 7 does not have a driver and even HP says there is no driver for Windows 7. Linux does have a full feature driver and it has had it since ages. Linux has more drivers than Windows and MacOS, and it has them right from the start when you install it. This is my experience, but then again I am not a gamer.
Of course, I could be letting the odd obscure legacy program go over my head but still...
You mean something so obscure like AutoCad?
The thing that I liked most with netware 3.1* was the fantastic undelete it had. It never really erased anything unless it was out of storage. Once I remember I undeleted a file I had erased one month before. And the undelete was no hassle at all. You just looked at a list of the "erased" files and chose whichever you wanted. It's the only thing I (still) miss since I migrated to Linux in 1999.
Goodbye Ubuntu.
Have you used anything else? IMHO MSVS is horrible. It is just like MSWord (and possibly others - I have been running Linux for a decade:)). Someone is used to it, and they don't know the trouble they are into. If/when someone tries something-anything- else, and persist for more than a month, then the weakness of MSVS, MSWord is evident.
And yes, I have seen this many times happening to my students (it is however extremely difficult to persuade a student to try something else than what they are used to, and mostly I have given up trying).
I think this is a major factor - people know where to find information now without having to ask Google. They know about Amazon, they know about Wikipedia, they know about their favorite news sites.
Google has its use, but people aren't having to use Google to find everything the way they used to.
This is simply not so. The search mechanism that Amazon and Wikipedia have, is far far far .. (n times) behind Google. It is much much (n times) better to use Google to search either Amazon or Wikipedia. In other words Google searhes Google and Wikipedia better than themselves.
I downloaded PCBSD (a FreeBSD distribution) last weekend. I installed it in an old PC. Everything went fine and it did detect the wireless NIC. I downloaded gcc, g++, gfortran, python and compiled all my programs (console based and graphics based). No surprises. I was either lucky, or FreeBSD/PCBSD is mature enough to be used as desktop OS. :)
It was a nice experience to use something else than Linux, and be productive as well
Fantastisch!
I am a power user. I use CL continuously. I have also been using KDE since last century. AND I LIKE unity. Its different, it works (in 11.10), my programs (graphics and text based) run equally well as in KDE (SuSE), and CL is a only click away for power users. Thanks Ubuntu; we have yet another Desktop choice in Linux.
Oh come on. RMS has said that since ages. Look, how do we make a road? The state pays civil engineers to design and manufacture it, and then it is free for all. Of course it needs maintenance, and again the state pays people to the job. :
Thus, if we need structural analysis software, developers get paid to do it and maintain it by tax money, and everyone has it for free.
Things change. Noone has a god-given right to earn money, if they do something that people don't care. To see how ridiculous is the assertion of the gggg-grand father, I will para-phrase it, A LITTLE
I need to feed my family. I write SNOBOL code for a living. How do I get paid for doing this in a world where all software is in C++/Java/Python?
I don't believe Google is doing this. You have to concentrate on the (hard) facts:
1. Google search is free and efficient. If MS and (in fact most of America) drives Google out of business, forget search engines for free. And forget good results; MS has already shown that it gives you the results which MS wants to give.
2. Google maps. The same.
3. Google earth. The money that you need to get satellite photos is insane. Yet Google gives it for free. It has helped me and my colleagues enormously.
4. Google translate. A very essential tool for me and almost everyone I know. For free.
5. Google mail.
6. Google Lunar prize. If this does not convince you, then nothing can.
7. VP8 codec, which Google bought and set it free.
And if they make a buck with advertisements, then good.
I've posted this several times since last millennium... Please consider the fact that the vast majority of people (myself included) do not speak English (as their native language). To us, GIMP means no more than IBM, and it sounds better than Photoshop.
Welcome to the unintended consequences of your actions. Next time think about what you're doing a little harder.
What unintended? That's what they asked for, that's what they got. I am all for EU, I am European myself, but for once an American company did exactly what the court ordered. And now we complain?
"Debian kFreeBSD is a toy OS, people really shouldn't misunderstand that.''
It is extremely important to have more than one free kernel. In other slashdot stories we all have seen the attack to Android, which is basically Linux. How long before MS Apple and other criminals (convicted monopolists) attack Linux to oblivion in USA. I just hope, that Europe might come to their senses, and continue to resist software patents.
I had hope about free Solaris, because I believed that Sun could protect the OS with their patent portfolio. But now Sun is Oracle.
So, Debian kFreeBSD and Debian kHurd, are invaluable projects. It must be made clear to those criminals that if they nuked Linux, everyone would switch to a replacement kernel (FreeBSD) without affecting the userland. And if they nuked FreeBSD too, then we could switch to Hurd, and the criminals would have to start all over again.
By the way, of course Debian kFreeBSD would be a toy OS. Didn't MS say so about Linux at the start? didn't old Unix vendors say exactly the same about Windows? And before that wasn't DOS only for playing around with toy computers?
In this case NASA is obsoleted by Arthur Clarke who envisioned telecommunication satellites earlier. And the space race to the moon was started by Russia. It was their idea. Yet who does not credit NASA with rockets, spaceships and all space staff? /.ers have stated many times. Ideas (and non-hardware patents) are cheap. Implementations are difficult.
To repeat what
At least they can run Linux.
I develop a free CAD program in my spare time. It would be nice to add (accurate) handling of satellite images. I am virtually the only developer, yet ESA does not seem to mind; it says an "organization" may be an individual and need not be a legal entity in order to apply as a mentor. And I know at least one Ph.D. student on the subject who would welcome a donation.
Kudos to ESA.
God bless America about software patents.
You do not give a reason why Windoze is easier. I will give you one why Linux is easier. My 8 years old son, has installed SuSE 11.3 in 3 computers today. Complete with all the applications. And connected to the internet. And 2 of the computers are laptops. In half an hour (for each computer). So, please. At least in slashdot, people have a clue.
IBM sells z/OS which is a closed source OS with a restrictive license that says you can only run it on an IBM zMachine.
Are you telling me that I can not run the MS Office I legally bought on WINE under linux?