Do you think that typing./configure; make; make install somehow gives you "more control" over what is installed than typing rpm -i foo.rpm?
Well compiling with all the default options doesn't give you any more control, but there are a lot of packages that offer several compile-time options. For example, what do you think the vim-X11, vim-minimal, vim-color, and vim-enhanced RPMs are ? that's right, they use the same source tree, but use different compile time options. Another example: suppose you have motif , and do not want the statically linked version of (insert your favourite motif app). The answer: if there's no dynamically linked binary, just recompile. Oh, and not all rpms are relocatable ( so rpm -i doesn't let you choose where you want the package installed )
Compiling does, in some cases, give you much more control than just installing a binary.
It lets you check the rufus.w3.org repository ( which includes mirrors of *several* distributions ) for your favourite package, and download it. It still requires you to switch to "rpm -i" the package afterwards, and it's not quite as easy to automate as apt-get , but it is a good start (-;
However, rpms main advantage is its superior source package management.
I've been constantly annoyed at finding software I want and then seeing it only comes in.RPMs.
I am not sure what you are talking about. Most ( almost all) linux software is open source, and the author almost always makes a source tarball available.
After obtaining it, with some difficulty (after all, it comes preloaded, so there's not as much demand), I tried to install it, and found I needed glibc2.
glibc2 is currently used by all of the distributions except for slackware. The problem is that slackware is not binary-compatible with the other distributions. Since no-one makes binaries for slackware, this means you usually have to compile it yourself.
You are off base blaming redhat for your problems, just as I would be off base blaming redhat because I can't install the binaries from kde.org on Solaris.
RPM does make life easier for people who havew an RPM based distro. Of course, it doesn't make life easier for win95 users ( duh! ) or anyone else. It certainly doesn't cause win95 users any problems though.
Most of your problems are a result of the fact that noone makes binaries for slackware because not so many people use it. If you can't handle the idea of compiling something from the source, then you need an easier distribution. OTOH, If you don't mind compiling, then slackware might be suitable for you.
It's pretty basic, comparable to wordpad. IMO, kword/koffice has more potential. It's a complete office suite where the components can be embedded in each other. Koffice is still beta at this point though.
For a decent office suite , the only choice IMO is Applix. Star Office is too much of a pig. Applix is lighter and faster. It also allows one to use ttfonts in the word processor ( and does a much better job at font rendering. )
Word perfect is good, but it's just a stand alone word processor, not an office suite.
the algorithm used is exactly the same the only thing that is different is the elements compared.
There is an enormous difference between trying all possible combinations, and trying a few selected combinations.
you must also have a very long list of all the different types of brute-force attacks that aren't really brute-force attacks because they use different types of elements.
Any attack that uses a selected set of elements ( eg "words" ) is a dictionary attack. A "dictionary attack" needn't just use a standard english dictionary, it is a list of intelligent guesses at user passwords. ( for example, slang words, obscenties , phrases, etc must be included for it to be effective )
On the other hand, a brute force attack is distinct in that it uses all possible combinations.
You can install gtk+-1.1 and gtk+-1.2 without it having any effect on your current installation. You need to *keep* the version you already have though ( use rpm -i to install the new ones, NOT rpm -U ) The newer versions have different so-names ( so the linker knows the difference between the different versions of gtk )
mostly because linux is *not* a competitor to Sun. Sun sell hardware first, operating systems second. Their main competitor is intel. I doubt they would care about their Solaris sales if all the linux users out their bought one of their workstations tomorrow. Actually, it's in their interests to kep a good relationship with the linux crowd because they are potential customers.
And for those who've interpreted his comments as negative: I didn't see anything he said in the article as trashing linux. Of course, he thinks Solaris is better than linux. In some ways, it is. His remarks amount to this. He acknowledges that it's OK, but presents his own product as "the right answer". I would too if I was in his shoes
My schools main server has several ( 4 or more ) hard drives. To be able to configure such a system and get decent performance would be near impossible without SCSI. In contrast to IDE which cannot make use of more than 2 high performance devices ( try putting two hard-drives on one IDE chain and actually *use* the one on the slave ) , SCSI allows you to put several drives and other IO devices on a single chain ( which gets a single IRQ ) . SCSI is the only choice for a flexible, extensible high performance system.
But it's a dog to set up. Hang in there, it will kick some butt once you have eveything working. Hang in there (-;
If only slashdot would be *selective* about what they post. Merely getting posted as a main article on slashdot will cause something to be hyped , and slashdot should make sure that they aren't unfairly hyping vapourware over a project that is more mature , productive and deserving of publicity.
Yast is great for newbies, but SuSE has an unfortunate tendency to try to force you to do everything through YaST. For people who are already used to linux and like to just hack the config files, SuSE can be a PITA.
I agree that sticking to curses and staying clear of X is a good idea. ( try using a GUI over a dialup line some time... )
Meanwhile, Redhat also have linuxconf which does a lot of what YaST does. I can't say I've explored RH's GUI stuff though. What I like about Redhat is that you can just ignore the config tools and everything works nicely.
The new version of Redhat is definitely a major release. Firstly, a reason to choose the.0 number is that there is a glibc version shift which probably means that 5.x users will need to do a clean install as opposed to an upgrade. Secondly, they are using a different desktop KDE/GNOME. The 6.0 release marks the inclusion of GNOME 1.x.
The *.0 also indicates that this is a relatively unstable release ( mostly due to the new library version + desktop ) , so a lot of stability-conscious users ( such as sys-admins ) will probably stick to 5.2 until 6.1 is out.
I disagree with your argument that "lack of support" for CSS will kill it. Firstly, 90% of *MY* visitors are using a >= 4.x browser. Secondly, CSS pages look just fine in the other browsers.
So here's another point: even if less than 90% of my visitors used css enabled browsers, I would still use it, because those other users are not going to notice anything "wrong" with my page.
There are also *linux* vendors that sell cheap boxes for home users. I got mine from TCU-inc.These guys can sell you a machine ( with a monitor and ZIP drive ) for under $1000-. If you work out how much it costs you to build it yourself, you'll find that it's not much cheaper. There are a pile of other shops that have decent prices ( ASL, SWT, and even Penguin nowadays. LHS aren't so bad either... ). I think it's a pity that VA are getting all the hype, because they don't sell anything that the home user wants.
I tend to treat the "miracle prices" on pricewatch with scepticism nowadays ( I am disputing an item on my credit card bill... ) I always go to resellerratings.com before making purchases.
The most "secure" thing about NT is that out of the box, it can hardly run any services. linux can also be given this "security fix" and sometimes it is useful. Firstly, if telnetd (bleh! run sshd instead... ) , sendmail, ftpd and fingerd are disabled, the risk of an outsider getting a plain text password is minimal. A lot of people unnecessarily run these services.
Denying use of insecure services to outsiders is a way to keep your box pretty safe ( from the script kiddies anyway ) even if you don't have all of the updates. The script kiddies aren't going to get far with machines that don't run any services ( or worse, machines that are behind a firewall ! )
This is good news because it means that linux hardware shops will be able to hold of notebook that comes with no "taxes" , and support Linux on the notebooks. Buying a notebook with no OS loaded/supported is OK for experts, but inadequate for newbies, who are used to expecting / seeing some customer support.
Traditionaly, it is the hardware manufacturer who supports the OS ( NOT MS, Redhat, or whoever ) because the hardware manufacturer has a larger revenue base ( think about it: how much did you pay Redhat and how much did you pay the guy who you got your PC from ? which one can give better support based on what you paid ? )
Of course, laptops with linux preloaded have been available for some time, so the guys who are giong "wooohhooooo !!! I'll buy one of these now" are really off base. It's one of many small steps in the right direction for linux...
With any luck, this means VA ( who are the ones with the big name ) will start selling some computers that ordinary people can afford. It's a pity to see so many newbies who ask "where can I buy a linux box" being pointed to VAResearch, who sell hardware that is out of the budget of most home users (who don't need U2W SCSI).
With any luck, the collaboration with LHS will result in them selling boxes that a home user would actually think of buying. And I hope those VA guys don't forget where they came from, and don't forget about the starving college kids who can't afford their U2W Xeon screamer... it would be a shame to see them forgetting about their roots in the process of getting big.
$460- is a big price difference
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For an extra $460, I could do the following to the Dell:
Put in a good vide card ( such as a TNT ) $100- extra
Double the size of the HD ( maybe another $100- or so )
Double the memory... maybe another $100-
You get the idea. Of course, if the extra $460 went the other way, you could have an U2W SCSI machine. Oh, btw, bundled monitors are ridiculously cheap with the Dell machines, and their monitors are pretty good ( the AG grille monitors are basically Sonys with a different sticker )
ABout the X-window system: the "remote control" thing is used *very often* in network environments. It might not sound important to the home user who just uses dialup connections, but if your machine is on a T1 network, the "remote-ability" of the Xwindow system is extremely useful.
The "driver" is the X-server. And there's no reason why you can't just "drop in" an X-server for your card once someone writes one. And I don't see how this is hurting our vendor support. Our main problem with 3d support is that the card makers don't think we're a large enough market to worry about. The more games start showing up on linux, the more they will change their tune...
Labor supporter though I am, I believe that democracy is more important than my favourite party prevailing.
Do the football team that win the most games deserve to top the ladder , or the team with the highest percentage? ( for the benefit of non Aussies, in Aussie football, percentage is basically your goals scored divided by goals against you )
The answer is simple: the team that wins the most games deserves to be on top , because it is a consistent winner.
Likewise, parties that can not get any support outside their "heartland" do not deserve to win.
If Australia was gerrymandered the way QL was under Joh's tyranny, you'd have a point. However, it's not clear that the electoral boundaries are overwhelmingly pro-Liberal. They certainly haven't been subjected to much political abuse favouring the libs, since labor had the lions share of political power ( federally ) in recent years.
You'd do your POV more service by pointing out that the libs only have a slight majority in the house ( as you'd expect given the vote ) and this weakens their mandate.
and you are condoning it. If a co-worker laid into you with a baseball bat, he would probably be fired, and you could press criminal charges. However, when high school kids are subjected to constant physical and emotional abuse, and humiliation, everyone says "yeah, but it's only high school". Assault is assault is assault, and abuse is abuse is abuse. And the fact that it takes place in a high school setting does not make it any less severe or any less worthy of severe disciplinary action. If someone at my university beats the living sh*t out of me or subjects me to 1% of the sh*t I took in high school, I have due recourse to internal authorities as well as the law enforcement agencies. In contrast, the "internal discipline" in most high schools primarily firewalls the bullies from the police, rather than protecting the abused.
There are good reasons why our electoral system doesn't use primary vote alone, and provided the electoral boundaries aren't butchered for political ends ( bringing back dark memories of Joe Peanuts... ) , someone who wins an absolute majority in the lower house are a legit government.
I didn't know about the primary vote( Im an expatriate so dont follow closely ) I guess this weakens the lib's position. Still, I'm a firm believer in *NOT* blocking budgets.
Of course, you'd be perfectly justified in pointing out that the libs hardly have established a long precedent of fair and unobstructive opposition... cheers, --
America and free speech ? bah ! American TV (outside of cable ) is reduced to banality by censorship which comes close to rendering Mr Ed and the Brady Bunch ineligeable for daytime TV. Walmart castrate your CDs down to a safe vanilla flavour. My experience moving from the US to Australia was that censorship was alive and well in the US. And non existent in Australia ( laws banning sale of X rated movies outside of mail order are not acknowledged or enforced)
Meanwhile, you guys have your guns, but how much has it helped you really ? Guns will not help you deal with the tough issues like homelessness, drug abuse, health, crime , and education. And guns have not saved you from the censors. cheers, --
While the peanut gallery have turned this into a gun control debate and got right off topic, you have nailed it. This kind of violence is just a flare-up of a very serious disease afflicting the high school system. Violence. The violence that goes on in high schools, including incidents where the bullies can constantly subject the "outcasts" to physical abuse and humiliation is largely ignored, and acts that would result in prosecutions and permanent criminal records in the adult world are dismissed with a slap on the wrist. It is really sick, and the fact that the violence is ignored until someone DIES is disgusting, as is the complete failure to understand that this kind of thing is not really all that surprising when a culture of violence , humiliation, and abuse prevails in the high school culture.
This isn't so hard to deal with. Just force users to log into computers and log their web activity. grep the domains they frequent for bad words. Every time a user's bad word count gets too high, someone can check it and possibly tell him he's a bad boy, and he'll lose access if he does it again.
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Well compiling with all the default options doesn't give you any more control, but there are a lot of packages that offer several compile-time options. For example, what do you think the vim-X11, vim-minimal, vim-color, and vim-enhanced RPMs are ? that's right, they use the same source tree, but use different compile time options. Another example: suppose you have motif , and do not want the statically linked version of (insert your favourite motif app). The answer: if there's no dynamically linked binary, just recompile. Oh, and not all rpms are relocatable ( so rpm -i doesn't let you choose where you want the package installed )
Compiling does, in some cases, give you much more control than just installing a binary.
rpmfind has similar functionality to apt-get.
It lets you check the rufus.w3.org repository ( which includes mirrors of *several* distributions )
for your favourite package, and download it. It still requires you to switch to "rpm -i" the package afterwards, and it's not quite as easy to automate as apt-get , but it is a good start (-;
However, rpms main advantage is its superior source package management.
-- Donovan
I am not sure what you are talking about. Most ( almost all) linux software is open source, and the author almost always makes a source tarball available.
After obtaining it, with some difficulty (after all, it comes preloaded, so there's not as much demand), I tried to install it, and found I needed glibc2.
glibc2 is currently used by all of the distributions except for slackware. The problem is that slackware is not binary-compatible with the other distributions. Since no-one makes binaries for slackware, this means you usually have to compile it yourself.
You are off base blaming redhat for your problems, just as I would be off base blaming redhat because I can't install the binaries from kde.org on Solaris.
RPM does make life easier for people who havew an RPM based distro. Of course, it doesn't make life easier for win95 users ( duh! ) or anyone else. It certainly doesn't cause win95 users any problems though.
Most of your problems are a result of the fact that noone makes binaries for slackware because not so many people use it. If you can't handle the idea of compiling something from the source, then you need an easier distribution. OTOH, If you don't mind compiling, then slackware might be suitable for you.
For a decent office suite , the only choice IMO is Applix. Star Office is too much of a pig. Applix is lighter and faster. It also allows one to use ttfonts in the word processor ( and does a much better job at font rendering. )
Word perfect is good, but it's just a stand alone word processor, not an office suite.
There is an enormous difference between trying all possible combinations, and trying a few selected combinations.
you must also have a very long list of all the different types of brute-force attacks that aren't really brute-force attacks because they use different types of elements.
Any attack that uses a selected set of elements ( eg "words" ) is a dictionary attack. A "dictionary attack" needn't just use a standard english dictionary, it is a list of intelligent guesses at user passwords. ( for example, slang words, obscenties , phrases, etc must be included for it to be effective )
On the other hand, a brute force attack is distinct in that it uses all possible combinations.
You can install gtk+-1.1 and gtk+-1.2 without it having any effect on your current installation. You need to *keep* the version you already have though ( use rpm -i to install the new ones, NOT rpm -U ) The newer versions have different so-names ( so the linker knows the difference between the different versions of gtk )
-- Donovan
And for those who've interpreted his comments as negative: I didn't see anything he said in the article as trashing linux. Of course, he thinks Solaris is better than linux. In some ways, it is. His remarks amount to this. He acknowledges that it's OK, but presents his own product as "the right answer". I would too if I was in his shoes
But it's a dog to set up. Hang in there, it will kick some butt once you have eveything working. Hang in there (-;
At least this is true for the parallel port models. I bet it's true
for the SCSI as well.
If only slashdot would be *selective* about what they post. Merely getting posted as a main article on slashdot will cause something to be hyped , and slashdot should make sure that they aren't unfairly hyping vapourware over a project that is more mature , productive and deserving of publicity.
I agree that sticking to curses and staying clear of X is a good idea. ( try using a GUI over a dialup line some time ... )
Meanwhile, Redhat also have linuxconf which does a lot of what YaST does. I can't say I've explored RH's GUI stuff though. What I like about Redhat is that you can just ignore the config tools and everything works nicely.
The *.0 also indicates that this is a relatively unstable release ( mostly due to the new library version + desktop ) , so a lot of stability-conscious users ( such as sys-admins ) will probably stick to 5.2 until 6.1 is out.
-- Donovan
So here's another point: even if less than 90% of my visitors used css enabled browsers, I would still use it, because those other users are not going to notice anything "wrong" with my page.
-- Donovan
I tend to treat the "miracle prices" on pricewatch with scepticism nowadays ( I am disputing an item on my credit card bill ... ) I always go to resellerratings.com before making purchases.
Denying use of insecure services to outsiders is a way to keep your box pretty safe ( from the script kiddies anyway ) even if you don't have all of the updates. The script kiddies aren't going to get far with machines that don't run any services ( or worse, machines that are behind a firewall ! )
-- Donovan
Traditionaly, it is the hardware manufacturer who supports the OS ( NOT MS, Redhat, or whoever ) because the hardware manufacturer has a larger revenue base ( think about it: how much did you pay Redhat and how much did you pay the guy who you got your PC from ? which one can give better support based on what you paid ? )
Of course, laptops with linux preloaded have been available for some time, so the guys who are giong "wooohhooooo !!! I'll buy one of these now" are really off base. It's one of many small steps in the right direction for linux ...
With any luck, the collaboration with LHS will result in them selling boxes that a home user would actually think of buying. And I hope those VA guys don't forget where they came from, and don't forget about the starving college kids who can't afford their U2W Xeon screamer ... it would be a shame to see them forgetting about their roots in the process of getting big.
- Put in a good vide card ( such as a TNT ) $100- extra
- Double the size of the HD ( maybe another $100- or so )
- Double the memory
... maybe another $100-
You get the idea. Of course, if the extra $460 went the other way, you could have an U2W SCSI machine. Oh, btw, bundled monitors are ridiculously cheap with the Dell machines, and their monitors are pretty good ( the AG grille monitors are basically Sonys with a different sticker )ABout the X-window system: the "remote control" thing is used *very often* in network environments. It might not sound important to the home user who just uses dialup connections, but if your machine is on a T1 network, the "remote-ability" of the Xwindow system is extremely useful.
-- Donovan
The "driver" is the X-server. And there's no reason why you can't just "drop in" an X-server for your card once someone writes one. And I don't see how this is hurting our vendor support. Our main problem with 3d support is that the card makers don't think we're a large enough market to worry about. The more games start showing up on linux, the more they will change their tune ...
Do the football team that win the most games deserve to top the ladder , or the team with the highest percentage? ( for the benefit of non Aussies, in Aussie football, percentage is basically your goals scored divided by goals against you )
The answer is simple: the team that wins the most games deserves to be on top , because it is a consistent winner.
Likewise, parties that can not get any support outside their "heartland" do not deserve to win.
If Australia was gerrymandered the way QL was under Joh's tyranny, you'd have a point. However, it's not clear that the electoral boundaries are overwhelmingly pro-Liberal. They certainly haven't been subjected to much political abuse favouring the libs, since labor had the lions share of political power ( federally ) in recent years.
You'd do your POV more service by pointing out that the libs only have a slight majority in the house ( as you'd expect given the vote ) and this weakens their mandate.
cheers,
--
I didn't know about the primary vote( Im an expatriate so dont follow closely ) I guess this weakens the lib's position. Still, I'm a firm believer in *NOT* blocking budgets.
Of course, you'd be perfectly justified in pointing out that the libs hardly have established a long precedent of fair and unobstructive opposition ...
cheers,
--
Meanwhile, you guys have your guns, but how much has it helped you really ? Guns will not help you deal with the tough issues like homelessness, drug abuse, health, crime , and education. And guns have not saved you from the censors.
cheers,
--
While the peanut gallery have turned this into a gun control debate and got right off topic, you have nailed it. This kind of violence is just a flare-up of a very serious disease afflicting the high school system. Violence. The violence that goes on in high schools, including incidents where the bullies can constantly subject the "outcasts" to physical abuse and humiliation is largely ignored, and acts that would result in prosecutions and permanent criminal records in the adult world are dismissed with a slap on the wrist. It is really sick, and the fact that the violence is ignored until someone DIES is disgusting, as is the complete failure to understand that this kind of thing is not really all that surprising when a culture of violence , humiliation, and abuse prevails in the high school culture.
cheers,