I think that a real university degree from a highly rated university should be required before allowing someone behind the wheel to do any sort of coding.
what about us young fuckkkers that still can't get any damn "work experience" in the field? If there is a decline in American CS then I damn well better be able to get a job. (before we farm out our entire economy to India/China preferably)
(CS degree, College of Engineering, University of Illinois)
"Why should I pay $51K for someone fresh out of college with no real-world skills or experience? (When I can have a software developer in India with 5 or 6 years of senior-level experience for $15 to $20 per hour?)"
This is fine!!! I just wish someone would hire me period. I'm not asking for much, that promise of 50K is long gone, I know. Hire me for 30K... something!
Does that mean you would consider someone like me for a position? I am a Java programmer. I have a solid degree in Computer Science yet I cannot find a job. I don't have the work experience demanded obviously, and it's not easy to get (catch22?). I'd take low salary (enough for food/rent etc.), I just need some damn experience.
I have been to the job websites also, I'll let you know when I hear anything from those companies I have applied for. So far it's been nothing. Although amazingly one company just called me a week ago that found me on dice. One of the first things they asked was what was my Visa status. They must have found me by searching for people who wish to relocate to their area and assumed I wasn't a citizen. Well since then they said they'd send me an email with info about a future phone interview, I've called back a few times and they still haven't done anything. Now I'm guessing it's because I'm a citizen.
Please tell me, do you have opportunities for entry-level people like me? Do your "counterparts"?
I got a call from a company called Blue Jungle, who had seen on dice.com that I wished to relocate to the Bay Area. Then they asked me what my Visa status was, I told them I was a citizen. They said they'd send an email with information on it and we'd set up an interview the next week.
It sounded great, I really had my hopes up. Then I never got the email. I called, and she sounded confused... said she'd send it and set up a phone interview with the engineers. No email for a few more days. I called back and the lady I had talked to twice before wasn't in that day, the guy who answered said he'd leave a message for her.
So after a while I finally catch on that the Visa question was important. Both the people there I talked to were non-native English speakers as well.
That sounds nice, I have to say thanks.
"I recall interviewing someone from Canada - we flew her down on the Friday, interviewed her on the Monday, and flew her back on the Wednesday. She was offered a position, which was accepted"
Wow, I wish it had been like that, and not during school. I worked my ass off in school, got good grades. I'm glad I did. Hopefully one day it will pay off.....
8 interviews in one day... I did that. I was interviewing for HP for an internship (after being picked among the interviewees at a job fair on campus). It was definitely overload. My big problem though was the timing. That was the worst week of my life I'd have to say. They flew me to Dallas in the middle of the week, this being in college. First of all, I couldn't imagine them doing this. I valued school a lot, shouldn't they too? and they are making me skip for a few days. I hardly missed classes at all throughout college before. Some were unmissable in my book, hurt my exam grades definitely. I did homework the whole time on the plane. We were delayed so I got to Dallas late. I couldn't find the damn hotel (F U mapquest and their sign was on the ground, I found out next morning), I finally got there really late. I went to bed at 3am, got up at 7 something and made it there by 8 something, just in time for a full day of interviewing. I really didn't like it there. I don't know if it was just my situation and my mood, but they all seemed like snobs, even the other guy from my school who went, and the place was so sterile and uninviting. So I believe it rubbed off that I didn't like it there and of course I didn't get the internship. To top it off, I was stuck in Chicago because of snow delaying me so I couldn't catch the connection. When I finally got back the next day, I speeded to my apartment, speed typed a paper I had written on the plane and in hotels, and ran to the class (yes quite literally, across the Quad even) to turn it in. I was only 15 minutes late miraculously. I wasn't so lucky in my CS class, he didn't let me turn in any homework late. Also, I just didn't get much studying time for my 2 exams that week.
As a result, I hate Dallas, I hate the state of Texas and all the snobs that live there. It's unreasonable I know, to put the blame on them, but too bad, I do it because I can. Man what an awful week.
About the interviews, I remember the technical interview was in some kind of meeting room, just me and 4 HP geniuses or whatever. The gave me problems and had me code them on the whiteboard. I had never done anything like that before, I couldn't help but be nervous in that situation. So that didn't go well because I had a hard time thinking like I do for homeworks, I would go blank. I also remember one of the many interviews, a guy asked me to put in order of importance to me, 4 things I value in a job, location, money, people, and the type of work. I can't remember for sure, but I think I said type of work, people, money, location. The order should probably switch money and location right? I'm pretty sure I blundered when talking about money. I said it wasn't last because I actually did need it. I said this in the naive college student sense. I wish I would have elaborated now. I meant that I would need money to have an apartment (since it was far from home) and food to eat. I was a poor college student, living off the scratch from summer jobs and some from parents, come on. I know he took it the wrong way and didn't get where I was coming from. One of them seemed to go well. We talked about Itanium and how it was RISC but sorta not:)
What would have happened if it went differently and I did get the internship there, I wonder. I remember they laid off a lot of people soon after that and I imagine the interns were the first to go, but at least I would have had the word "internship" on my resume. God, what an awful job market this is.
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what about us young fuckkkers that still can't get any damn "work experience" in the field? If there is a decline in American CS then I damn well better be able to get a job. (before we farm out our entire economy to India/China preferably) (CS degree, College of Engineering, University of Illinois)
Good, maybe I'll finally get a decent job that is somewhat related to my degree of computer science. If you have a job, message me :)
"Why should I pay $51K for someone fresh out of college with no real-world skills or experience? (When I can have a software developer in India with 5 or 6 years of senior-level experience for $15 to $20 per hour?)" This is fine!!! I just wish someone would hire me period. I'm not asking for much, that promise of 50K is long gone, I know. Hire me for 30K... something!
Does that mean you would consider someone like me for a position? I am a Java programmer. I have a solid degree in Computer Science yet I cannot find a job. I don't have the work experience demanded obviously, and it's not easy to get (catch22?). I'd take low salary (enough for food/rent etc.), I just need some damn experience. I have been to the job websites also, I'll let you know when I hear anything from those companies I have applied for. So far it's been nothing. Although amazingly one company just called me a week ago that found me on dice. One of the first things they asked was what was my Visa status. They must have found me by searching for people who wish to relocate to their area and assumed I wasn't a citizen. Well since then they said they'd send me an email with info about a future phone interview, I've called back a few times and they still haven't done anything. Now I'm guessing it's because I'm a citizen. Please tell me, do you have opportunities for entry-level people like me? Do your "counterparts"?
I got a call from a company called Blue Jungle, who had seen on dice.com that I wished to relocate to the Bay Area. Then they asked me what my Visa status was, I told them I was a citizen. They said they'd send an email with information on it and we'd set up an interview the next week.
It sounded great, I really had my hopes up. Then I never got the email. I called, and she sounded confused... said she'd send it and set up a phone interview with the engineers. No email for a few more days. I called back and the lady I had talked to twice before wasn't in that day, the guy who answered said he'd leave a message for her.
So after a while I finally catch on that the Visa question was important. Both the people there I talked to were non-native English speakers as well.
That sounds nice, I have to say thanks. "I recall interviewing someone from Canada - we flew her down on the Friday, interviewed her on the Monday, and flew her back on the Wednesday. She was offered a position, which was accepted" Wow, I wish it had been like that, and not during school. I worked my ass off in school, got good grades. I'm glad I did. Hopefully one day it will pay off.....
"World Trade Centre" you misspelled Center
8 interviews in one day... I did that. I was interviewing for HP for an internship (after being picked among the interviewees at a job fair on campus). It was definitely overload. My big problem though was the timing. That was the worst week of my life I'd have to say. They flew me to Dallas in the middle of the week, this being in college. First of all, I couldn't imagine them doing this. I valued school a lot, shouldn't they too? and they are making me skip for a few days. I hardly missed classes at all throughout college before. Some were unmissable in my book, hurt my exam grades definitely. I did homework the whole time on the plane. We were delayed so I got to Dallas late. I couldn't find the damn hotel (F U mapquest and their sign was on the ground, I found out next morning), I finally got there really late. I went to bed at 3am, got up at 7 something and made it there by 8 something, just in time for a full day of interviewing. I really didn't like it there. I don't know if it was just my situation and my mood, but they all seemed like snobs, even the other guy from my school who went, and the place was so sterile and uninviting. So I believe it rubbed off that I didn't like it there and of course I didn't get the internship. To top it off, I was stuck in Chicago because of snow delaying me so I couldn't catch the connection. When I finally got back the next day, I speeded to my apartment, speed typed a paper I had written on the plane and in hotels, and ran to the class (yes quite literally, across the Quad even) to turn it in. I was only 15 minutes late miraculously. I wasn't so lucky in my CS class, he didn't let me turn in any homework late. Also, I just didn't get much studying time for my 2 exams that week.
:)
As a result, I hate Dallas, I hate the state of Texas and all the snobs that live there. It's unreasonable I know, to put the blame on them, but too bad, I do it because I can. Man what an awful week.
About the interviews, I remember the technical interview was in some kind of meeting room, just me and 4 HP geniuses or whatever. The gave me problems and had me code them on the whiteboard. I had never done anything like that before, I couldn't help but be nervous in that situation. So that didn't go well because I had a hard time thinking like I do for homeworks, I would go blank. I also remember one of the many interviews, a guy asked me to put in order of importance to me, 4 things I value in a job, location, money, people, and the type of work. I can't remember for sure, but I think I said type of work, people, money, location. The order should probably switch money and location right? I'm pretty sure I blundered when talking about money. I said it wasn't last because I actually did need it. I said this in the naive college student sense. I wish I would have elaborated now. I meant that I would need money to have an apartment (since it was far from home) and food to eat. I was a poor college student, living off the scratch from summer jobs and some from parents, come on. I know he took it the wrong way and didn't get where I was coming from. One of them seemed to go well. We talked about Itanium and how it was RISC but sorta not
What would have happened if it went differently and I did get the internship there, I wonder. I remember they laid off a lot of people soon after that and I imagine the interns were the first to go, but at least I would have had the word "internship" on my resume. God, what an awful job market this is.