Plugging it in is simple. Having to carry it is a step backward; everything I want to plug in that necessitates it in the first place is stationary, I need carry none of it with me.
I'm all for time marching on, I love progress in all forms. This is not that.
They're a hell of a lot less portable than slipping the laptop alone into a slim bag, yes. If I'm going to end up with something the same size and weight as a 17" that actually has the ports built in, I'm just going to grab the 17" with ports built in. That's only one thing to fiddle with and a hell of a lot more convenient.
And you can't claim that the 2011 17" model is just as portable as the current 15" models. Well, you can, but it would be extremely twofaced and a bullshit argument given that you've, many times, defended Apple's choice to sacrifice ports and battery size in the name of thinner and lighter because it makes the machines more portable than their predecessors. And you're right, if all you need is a Facebook machine, they're more portable because they're smaller and you don't have to carry anything extra; but, then, you shouldn't be buying a Pro machine if that's all you need, and Apple shouldn't be bastardizing the Pro machines in the name of the consumer market.
So, where do I plug in ethernet and a memory card?
Ah....... yeah.... into dongles I probably didn't bring with me because having to carry them makes the machine less portable. There's a reason the 2011 model is the one I bring on site with me; compared to the bag of dongles I need to carry since I don't know what I might encounter in an office I haven't been to before, the 17" model that actually has ports is more portable.
So there's only one flight from Miami to New York? You miss it and have to take the bus? Nah, you get on the next flight and if you're not a dick about it the airline credits at least a portion of your original ticket.
If the Apple fanbois are to be believed, all Android phones are $50 devices to begin with, which is the only reason they outsell the iPhone by such a massive margin.
Sent from my MacBook Pro (before anyone calls me an Apple hater)
In 2011, the highest-end MacBook Pro had power, 3x USB-A, ethernet, headphone, cardbus, and a card reader. That's 8 ports.
Today, the highest-end MacBook Pro has 4x USB-C and a headphone jack. That's 5 ports, and we need dongles for USB-A, ethernet, and a card reader. I'll grant that cardbus is largely replaced by thunderbolt, but the overall situation is still a massive step backward in portability and capability, if you use any peripherals.
You mean the ones where the perpetrator plans on committing suicide by cop so they don't really care about getting caught? I'm talking about repeat offender career criminal stuff, not one-off mental case attention whore stuff we could easily deal with by making mental health a priority in this country. Think someone killing or robbing hundreds of people over their career, rather than someone killing a handful in one go before the go lights-out.
If there is no law preventing background checks for private sales
First mistake. There is no law requiring them. Not only that, as a private citizen and not an FFL licensed dealer, you actually can't perform the background check. Because there's a law preventing it...
how do you know there is a liability?
Second mistake: misunderstanding. Let me clarify. The liability doesn't come from selling the gun, it comes from the fact that you are the last owner with a background check assigned to the serial number of that gun, which means the cops will be at your door after a trace if that gun is found to have been used in a crime. If "I sold that thing years ago" with no proof was a valid defense, every perpetrator of a gun crime would have an easy get out of jail free card.
How can there be a liability if nothing illegal was done?
Just to make sure you get it this time, I'll clarify in a different way. The transfer itself might not be illegal, but what the next person does with it might be. If you bought the gun through an FFL dealer, or in a state that requires an FFL to handle private party transfers, you had a background check run and the serial number of that firearm is on that background check. If no background check is done for the transfer and law enforcement was not made aware of the transfer when it occurred (meaning who it was transferred from and to, with copies of ID), as far as the law is concerned it's your gun.
Can you cite an example of someone privately and legally selling a perfectly working gun to an adult and then losing a lawsuit because of what that person did with it?
A lawsuit? No. Criminal charges? Spend 30 seconds on Google yourself.
I keep hearing about this supposed loophole, but all I see every time I go to a gun show is licensed dealers performing background checks as required by law and the odd exempt private party transfer (except in states where private parties are required to transfer through a dealer, in which case the background checks still happen) -- and private party transfers can occur anywhere, not just at gun shows. In fact, most gun shows don't allow private sales at all, so they're actually less likely to occur at gun shows than they are in a private residence.
The real loophole is what I like to call the "dark alley loophole", wherein stolen and/or smuggled guns are sold out of some guy's trunk in a dark alley. Not legal in the slightest, but it's where the guns used in the vast majority of crimes come from.
Nobody is using a weapon with their name on it to commit a crime, and nobody is willingly transferring a weapon with their name on it to someone else who may use it to commit a crime without ensuring that the transfer has been recorded. Too much liability.
The Dickey Amendment restricts only the CDC (e.g. not the entirety of the government), only restricts them from advocacy or promotion of gun control (e.g. not the study thereof), and only places that restriction on the specific portion of their funding earmarked for injury prevention and control (e.g. not their entire budget). Perhaps you should actually read the damn thing sometime?
Regarding solid keyboards - the original IBM Thinkpads has some seriously decent keyboards.
Oh yes, IBM made the best keyboards for sure. Not just their laptops, either; there's a reason so many people seek out Model M clones. I started having fairly severe wrist pains and they were gone within 15 minutes of switching to a Model M; after a year of using that almost exclusively, I can type on just about anything again.
That may or may not work, on that particular version. Yes, it's that bad.
Examples? Much as I'm an Apple user, I am also an Android user, have been for 7 years, upgrade yearly simply because I want the latest and greatest, and have never seen this.
Are you mining by chance? It's one of the few workloads (along with hi-res gaming) that would drain the battery in 3 hours or less.
Mining? On a laptop? No. As I was writing my previous post, I had a browser and an IDE open. I had been playing some YouTube videos while I was working, but paused them while I replied to you. Truly nothing strenuous; and, before you suggest I check it, my battery has seen 140 cycles, has a "full charge" capacity of 6385mAh, and reports condition "Normal". My battery is fine.
Not sure what's consumer and "business" from Dell these days.
Consumer includes the Inspiron, XPS, and Alienware lines. Business includes the Vostro, Latitude, and XPS lines. XPS is the odd man out, as they're "dual purpose" but the quality is more in line with their consumer junk.
changing the argument to one about keyboards being easily replaceable (really?) vs not breaking in the first place is shifting the original goal posts.
Well, when they both break easily, there needs to be some way to differentiate them. Mind you, I've never broken a keyboard on a PC laptop. Seems we have had opposite experiences in that regard, so I'll chalk that up to I was lucky with PCs, you were luck with Macs, and they both have shit keyboards; being able to replace the keyboard easily and without disassembling the entire machine, then, becomes a discussion point.
That's kind of sort of not true, and you know it. Different vendor, no telling what you're getting OS-wise. Maybe that's changed with Oreo. But to state that you get the same OS is absolute and total bullshit. Even in the same damn version, I get OSes that behave and look quite differently from each other. This is even a claimed benefit - that vendors can customize the OS. You can't have it both ways. It winds up being build once test on all devices. It's been getting a little better, and I restrict myself to core OS features only.
The important part was:
and access to all of your purchased apps
Sorry you missed that.
Apple does require the code and the device to be registered with them for non Apple Store based loading unless you're into jail-breaking.
Can you provide a link to more details regarding that program? As an iOS developer, myself, this conversation is truly the first I'm hearing of it.
I'm not sure where you're going with this. You asked if you could legally run OSX. That's not the same as getting support from the Genius bar, which only supports Apple products. If you note, Apple support has always been in terms of their hardware sales.
MacOS (formerly OS X) is an Apple product, which might be why one may expect the genius bar to support it.
The question of support is irrelevant to your question of legally running OSX.
But it's fully relevant in a discussion regarding vendor lock-in. You say using an Apple keyboard is a workaround, I say it doesn't get you support (even though MacOS is and Apple product and, according to you, used legally by way of attaching an Apple keyboard), and you don't seem to be able to refute that. Therefore, the only way to ensure that your MacOS installation works, and continues working, is to buy Apple hardware above and beyond simply a keyboard. You're locked in to buying one vendor's hardware in order to receive support for their software. That's vendor lock-in, my friend.
The Thinkpads were originally spec'd to gov standards, IIRC. They definitely were the workhorses of their time. They were also heavy. Slow. Big. And expensive! Let's be honest. I had 3 between 2000 and 2014. My MBPs beat them handily in a large number of categories including portability.
It's almost as though you don't realize they still exist... and have gotten thinner and lighter, while still retaining that durability. Don't just take my word for it. They're no more expensive than (functionally) equivalent Apple products, but much more durable which, well, if you use your portable devices as portable devices in the real world, matters. A lot. As for portability, yes, I can bring my MacBook Pro with me practically anywhere, but there are a good many places I would never bring it because it wouldn't last more than 30 seconds in most work environments. That's where more durable systems, even if a few ounces heavier, will always win; the ability to actually use the machine as a portable device.
I mean in 2009 a sub 2-hour battery and enough heat to toast your lap and anything you might care about?
Yet that's where Apple went in 2016. Hell, my 2011 17" would roast my lap and only last 1 hour under the right load (which just so happened to be a common use case for me). A 2009 Envy ran at comparable temps and had comparable battery life to a 2009 Mac laptop at similar loads; the reason for the perceived difference is that HP chose to rate battery life under actual work loads, while Apple rates battery life based on browsing mostly text web pages.
Yes, I can get 10 hours of battery life from this 2016 MBP if I'm just browsing text pages; I get closer to 2-3 hours if I'm actually using it. Case in point, I've been working since about
And one more -- the ability to video chat with all of my friends without having to install anything beyond what the device came with. For some people, I guess that feature already exists; but it's currently limited to those who only speak to people who own iPhones.
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The only way you're spending $500 on an XBox every 3 years is if you're breaking them or buying spares.
Plugging it in is simple. Having to carry it is a step backward; everything I want to plug in that necessitates it in the first place is stationary, I need carry none of it with me.
I'm all for time marching on, I love progress in all forms. This is not that.
Be gentle, he's an XCode user.
It's a lot easier on the windows users to go to the MS store where the download and installation process is familiar.
Most Windows users have never touched the Windows Store, it's not really that familiar to most.
They're a hell of a lot less portable than slipping the laptop alone into a slim bag, yes. If I'm going to end up with something the same size and weight as a 17" that actually has the ports built in, I'm just going to grab the 17" with ports built in. That's only one thing to fiddle with and a hell of a lot more convenient.
And you can't claim that the 2011 17" model is just as portable as the current 15" models. Well, you can, but it would be extremely twofaced and a bullshit argument given that you've, many times, defended Apple's choice to sacrifice ports and battery size in the name of thinner and lighter because it makes the machines more portable than their predecessors. And you're right, if all you need is a Facebook machine, they're more portable because they're smaller and you don't have to carry anything extra; but, then, you shouldn't be buying a Pro machine if that's all you need, and Apple shouldn't be bastardizing the Pro machines in the name of the consumer market.
So, where do I plug in ethernet and a memory card?
Ah....... yeah.... into dongles I probably didn't bring with me because having to carry them makes the machine less portable. There's a reason the 2011 model is the one I bring on site with me; compared to the bag of dongles I need to carry since I don't know what I might encounter in an office I haven't been to before, the 17" model that actually has ports is more portable.
So there's only one flight from Miami to New York? You miss it and have to take the bus? Nah, you get on the next flight and if you're not a dick about it the airline credits at least a portion of your original ticket.
And therein lies my point: docks aren't portable.
As an owner and user of both, I wholeheartedly disagree.
If the Apple fanbois are to be believed, all Android phones are $50 devices to begin with, which is the only reason they outsell the iPhone by such a massive margin.
Sent from my MacBook Pro (before anyone calls me an Apple hater)
In 2011, the highest-end MacBook Pro had power, 3x USB-A, ethernet, headphone, cardbus, and a card reader. That's 8 ports.
Today, the highest-end MacBook Pro has 4x USB-C and a headphone jack. That's 5 ports, and we need dongles for USB-A, ethernet, and a card reader. I'll grant that cardbus is largely replaced by thunderbolt, but the overall situation is still a massive step backward in portability and capability, if you use any peripherals.
Or take a different flight, much like using a different cable; there's a bit of a delay but you still get there.
Again, only a portion of their budget is forbidden from that particular use. Maybe read what I wrote, then read the Dickey Amendment?
You mean the ones where the perpetrator plans on committing suicide by cop so they don't really care about getting caught? I'm talking about repeat offender career criminal stuff, not one-off mental case attention whore stuff we could easily deal with by making mental health a priority in this country. Think someone killing or robbing hundreds of people over their career, rather than someone killing a handful in one go before the go lights-out.
I keep hearing about this supposed loophole, but all I see every time I go to a gun show
If there is no law preventing background checks for private sales
First mistake. There is no law requiring them. Not only that, as a private citizen and not an FFL licensed dealer, you actually can't perform the background check. Because there's a law preventing it...
how do you know there is a liability?
Second mistake: misunderstanding. Let me clarify. The liability doesn't come from selling the gun, it comes from the fact that you are the last owner with a background check assigned to the serial number of that gun, which means the cops will be at your door after a trace if that gun is found to have been used in a crime. If "I sold that thing years ago" with no proof was a valid defense, every perpetrator of a gun crime would have an easy get out of jail free card.
How can there be a liability if nothing illegal was done?
Just to make sure you get it this time, I'll clarify in a different way. The transfer itself might not be illegal, but what the next person does with it might be. If you bought the gun through an FFL dealer, or in a state that requires an FFL to handle private party transfers, you had a background check run and the serial number of that firearm is on that background check. If no background check is done for the transfer and law enforcement was not made aware of the transfer when it occurred (meaning who it was transferred from and to, with copies of ID), as far as the law is concerned it's your gun.
Can you cite an example of someone privately and legally selling a perfectly working gun to an adult and then losing a lawsuit because of what that person did with it?
A lawsuit? No. Criminal charges? Spend 30 seconds on Google yourself.
I keep hearing about this supposed loophole, but all I see every time I go to a gun show is licensed dealers performing background checks as required by law and the odd exempt private party transfer (except in states where private parties are required to transfer through a dealer, in which case the background checks still happen) -- and private party transfers can occur anywhere, not just at gun shows. In fact, most gun shows don't allow private sales at all, so they're actually less likely to occur at gun shows than they are in a private residence.
The real loophole is what I like to call the "dark alley loophole", wherein stolen and/or smuggled guns are sold out of some guy's trunk in a dark alley. Not legal in the slightest, but it's where the guns used in the vast majority of crimes come from.
Nobody is using a weapon with their name on it to commit a crime, and nobody is willingly transferring a weapon with their name on it to someone else who may use it to commit a crime without ensuring that the transfer has been recorded. Too much liability.
The Dickey Amendment restricts only the CDC (e.g. not the entirety of the government), only restricts them from advocacy or promotion of gun control (e.g. not the study thereof), and only places that restriction on the specific portion of their funding earmarked for injury prevention and control (e.g. not their entire budget). Perhaps you should actually read the damn thing sometime?
Go ahead, tell me I'm wrong. But, if you choose to do that, be prepared to explain how they've actually been able to legally conduct such research (this from 2013) and even as recently as 2015.
Regarding solid keyboards - the original IBM Thinkpads has some seriously decent keyboards.
Oh yes, IBM made the best keyboards for sure. Not just their laptops, either; there's a reason so many people seek out Model M clones. I started having fairly severe wrist pains and they were gone within 15 minutes of switching to a Model M; after a year of using that almost exclusively, I can type on just about anything again.
That may or may not work, on that particular version. Yes, it's that bad.
Examples? Much as I'm an Apple user, I am also an Android user, have been for 7 years, upgrade yearly simply because I want the latest and greatest, and have never seen this.
Are you mining by chance? It's one of the few workloads (along with hi-res gaming) that would drain the battery in 3 hours or less.
Mining? On a laptop? No. As I was writing my previous post, I had a browser and an IDE open. I had been playing some YouTube videos while I was working, but paused them while I replied to you. Truly nothing strenuous; and, before you suggest I check it, my battery has seen 140 cycles, has a "full charge" capacity of 6385mAh, and reports condition "Normal". My battery is fine.
Not sure what's consumer and "business" from Dell these days.
Consumer includes the Inspiron, XPS, and Alienware lines. Business includes the Vostro, Latitude, and XPS lines. XPS is the odd man out, as they're "dual purpose" but the quality is more in line with their consumer junk.
changing the argument to one about keyboards being easily replaceable (really?) vs not breaking in the first place is shifting the original goal posts.
Well, when they both break easily, there needs to be some way to differentiate them. Mind you, I've never broken a keyboard on a PC laptop. Seems we have had opposite experiences in that regard, so I'll chalk that up to I was lucky with PCs, you were luck with Macs, and they both have shit keyboards; being able to replace the keyboard easily and without disassembling the entire machine, then, becomes a discussion point.
That's kind of sort of not true, and you know it. Different vendor, no telling what you're getting OS-wise. Maybe that's changed with Oreo. But to state that you get the same OS is absolute and total bullshit. Even in the same damn version, I get OSes that behave and look quite differently from each other. This is even a claimed benefit - that vendors can customize the OS. You can't have it both ways. It winds up being build once test on all devices. It's been getting a little better, and I restrict myself to core OS features only.
The important part was:
and access to all of your purchased apps
Sorry you missed that.
Apple does require the code and the device to be registered with them for non Apple Store based loading unless you're into jail-breaking.
Can you provide a link to more details regarding that program? As an iOS developer, myself, this conversation is truly the first I'm hearing of it.
I'm not sure where you're going with this. You asked if you could legally run OSX. That's not the same as getting support from the Genius bar, which only supports Apple products. If you note, Apple support has always been in terms of their hardware sales.
MacOS (formerly OS X) is an Apple product, which might be why one may expect the genius bar to support it.
The question of support is irrelevant to your question of legally running OSX.
But it's fully relevant in a discussion regarding vendor lock-in. You say using an Apple keyboard is a workaround, I say it doesn't get you support (even though MacOS is and Apple product and, according to you, used legally by way of attaching an Apple keyboard), and you don't seem to be able to refute that. Therefore, the only way to ensure that your MacOS installation works, and continues working, is to buy Apple hardware above and beyond simply a keyboard. You're locked in to buying one vendor's hardware in order to receive support for their software. That's vendor lock-in, my friend.
The Thinkpads were originally spec'd to gov standards, IIRC. They definitely were the workhorses of their time. They were also heavy. Slow. Big. And expensive! Let's be honest. I had 3 between 2000 and 2014. My MBPs beat them handily in a large number of categories including portability.
It's almost as though you don't realize they still exist... and have gotten thinner and lighter, while still retaining that durability. Don't just take my word for it. They're no more expensive than (functionally) equivalent Apple products, but much more durable which, well, if you use your portable devices as portable devices in the real world, matters. A lot. As for portability, yes, I can bring my MacBook Pro with me practically anywhere, but there are a good many places I would never bring it because it wouldn't last more than 30 seconds in most work environments. That's where more durable systems, even if a few ounces heavier, will always win; the ability to actually use the machine as a portable device.
I mean in 2009 a sub 2-hour battery and enough heat to toast your lap and anything you might care about?
Yet that's where Apple went in 2016. Hell, my 2011 17" would roast my lap and only last 1 hour under the right load (which just so happened to be a common use case for me). A 2009 Envy ran at comparable temps and had comparable battery life to a 2009 Mac laptop at similar loads; the reason for the perceived difference is that HP chose to rate battery life under actual work loads, while Apple rates battery life based on browsing mostly text web pages.
Yes, I can get 10 hours of battery life from this 2016 MBP if I'm just browsing text pages; I get closer to 2-3 hours if I'm actually using it. Case in point, I've been working since about
Ah it wasn't my joke.
That was, more or less, my point.
I didn't say you'd benefit from thinking it was funny, or even imply that it was. You can get a joke but still not be amused by it.
And one more -- the ability to video chat with all of my friends without having to install anything beyond what the device came with. For some people, I guess that feature already exists; but it's currently limited to those who only speak to people who own iPhones.