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Microsoft's Next-Gen Xbox Will Arrive in 2020: Report (thurrott.com)

Brad Sams, writing for Thurrott blog: This past week, I was tipped off that the next generation Xbox was codenamed Scarlett and in an effort to track down if this information was accurate, I was able to view content that highlighted several unannounced Microsoft products that are coming in the next two years. Microsoft is planning for the next Xbox console release to arrive in 2020. But what is more interesting, is that Microsoft describes 'Scarlett' as a family of devices; meaning we may see multiple pieces of hardware released that year.

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  1. X-Ad Machine by DarkRookie · · Score: 3, Informative

    The XBox is no longer a video game console.
    It is an ad machine. Has been since they removed the blade interface from the 360
    90% of the home screen is ads and 'recommendations' (Fancy way of saying ads.)

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    1. Re: X-Ad Machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Anyone who willingly uses anything from Micro$oft eats shit and howls at the moon.

    2. Re:X-Ad Machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The XBox is no longer a video game console.

      Yup, the first time my XBox 360 started showing in-game ads I disconnected it from the network, and it's never been connected again.

      Sorry, I bought the console and the game at retail prices, you do not get to decide there is now a bonus ad revenue stream.

      And since i have no interest in the social media aspects of it, nor the ability to play games on-line ... modern console gaming isn't worth my time.

      I have zero interest in a video game console which can't be operated completely offline, because none of the on-line features are anything I'm interested in. Screw them and their analytics and ads.

      When my XBox 360 keels over, that will pretty much be the last of my gaming, because apparently nobody is willing to sell such a thing which isn't tethered to the internet.

    3. Re:X-Ad Machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      yo do you and the rest of the bandits in this thread not know how to black a domain at the router level
      because if you blackhole LITERALLY two dns names you get no ads

    4. Re: X-Ad Machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or just buy a ps4 ;)

    5. Re:X-Ad Machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's really not as bad as you're making it out to be. The interface has improved a lot recently. Sure there are recommendations on the home page and some idiots, like myself, actually like being informed of sales. The blade interface was just.plain.bad.

    6. Re:X-Ad Machine by bigman2003 · · Score: 1

      That's a pretty bad exaggeration.

      All of the 'ads' I have seen are related to games, movies, etc. that are available in the Store. Of course the Store is one big ad essentially, so once you are there, it doesn't count. But telling me that I can get a game for 75% off on a small part of the screen is fine.

      Possibly 25% of the screen is taken by 'ads' at most. The most recent ad/notification I remember seeing was for 'State of Decay' (I think that is it) which is a game that I can download for free as part of my current Game Pass subscription. I don't even think of it as an ad..more of a notification.

      Also, they will tell you about the other free games you can get from Games with Gold. Again, I've already paid for them. Telling me they are available is a service- not an ad.

      Once you are off the home screen, anything else is completely related to what you are looking at- again, notifications not ads.

      I can't provide a screenshot of my dashboard, but just do an image search for 'Xbox One Dashboard'. See that really big part of the screen that refers to a game? That's typically the game you played most recently. For instance, my Xbox has 'Sunset Overdrive' all over it, because that is the game I am currently playing. I thank them for providing that info.

      Beneath that, is a big old section showing me info about the friends I have played with most recently. Not ads...other people.

      People talk about ads there...but they aren't being honest.

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    7. Re: X-Ad Machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

      Nah, only the people who use Windows 10 or Xbox One.

    8. Re:X-Ad Machine by DarkRookie · · Score: 1

      OK. It does look like it did change some since I last saw.
      But still, the ads. Yuck.

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    9. Re: X-Ad Machine by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Perhaps gamers who don't have any friends see the ads instead.

    10. Re: X-Ad Machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Only TrumPutin would use Micro$oft shite! CollusioN!!!!!!!

    11. Re:X-Ad Machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just did an image search for "Xbox One Dashboard" and every single image showed ads. You didn't even bother to do a search yourself.

    12. Re:X-Ad Machine by renegadesx · · Score: 1

      Despite I do like the Xbox controller alot better, Sony do have the better UI precisely because of this. If there was a way to automatically go to the pinned games "blade" of the console I would be much happier.

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  2. Make it a platform play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Would be nice if they thought of Xbox as a platform. With apps/games on one side of the equation while they continue to build new hardware that adds new capabilities. Think of it like an iPhone from a hardware perspective where even new hardware has full compatibility with old games. Basically continue moving forward with new hardware like they did with the Xbox One X.

    1. Re:Make it a platform play by beelsebob · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The problem with that approach is that it destroys all benefits of a console. Games devs target consoles exactly because they know exactly what hardware they're targeting, and what performance constraints they have to hit. Making versions with all kinds of different hardware in them just makes them under-powered PCs.

    2. Re:Make it a platform play by jonesy16 · · Score: 2

      I disagree. A console existed to deliver a high quality and consistent experience based on specialized hardware and input interfaces at a time when the general consumer couldn't be bothered to labor through the complexities of building a computer, adding an appropriate graphic and sound card (yes, you used to have to do that), and then attaching an input peripheral (do I have a free serial port?). Eventually it evolved to extract the most amount of performance out of the lowest cost hardware and, with the internet, evolved to create the online multiplayer ecosystem which sought to deliver a balanced (read fair) competitive landscape where nobody had a real hardware advantage. In the years since the first consoles debuted, we have come a long way on the PC side of things, both from a device capability standpoint as well as a end-user knowledge standpoint. Most PCs can now play a variety of games, have access to a wide range of input peripherals, and are supported by robust development platforms. With content delivery moving online, there is less worry as well about whether your game needs to be delivered on 5.25" floppies, 3.5" floppies, CD-ROM, DVD-ROM, etc.

      Consoles over the last two generations have consistently moved closer and closer to being general computing platforms (remember that the PS3 could run Linux and the Xbox One is effectively running Windows with an Xbox virtual machine). This trend will only continue until the gaming platform is no more than a gaming-focused UI on top of a general purpose OS backend. At that point, PlayStation vs. Xbox isn't so much about the hardware, but the ecosystem that comes with it. I'd argue that Microsoft has made far better progress with that than Sony has to date.

    3. Re:Make it a platform play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      A console existed to deliver a high quality and consistent experience based on specialized hardware and input interfaces at a time when the general consumer couldn't be bothered to labor through the complexities of building a computer

      That's a nice story you've got there, pity it's complete bullshit.

      See, consoles like the Atari, NES, and SNES .. these were all prevalent before most people had PCs, or had ever heard of the interwebs.

      In 1992 when the SNES came out, very few people would have been building gaming PCs. The NES was 1985, and the Atari 2600 was before either of those.

      They did a single thing -- play video games. They did this in an era where people still pushed quarters into the video game in arcades. If you were lucky you'd get one for Christmas.

      The idea of console video games is older than people building custom gaming PCs by a large margin.

      So, no, they didn't come into existence to spare people the need to build a PC. They came into existence before most people even considered ever owning a PC.

      Unfortunately now, they've morphed into entertainment centres tied into social media and the rest of the internet. And, as a result, I'll never own another one.

    4. Re:Make it a platform play by the_skywise · · Score: 0

      And don't forget the "personal computers" main selling point at that time was to play games. Commodore 64, Atari 400/800 and Coleco Adam (which at one time was going to be an "expansion" for the ColecoVision). Yes you could do programming (and I did) but the games were a major selling point.

    5. Re:Make it a platform play by SumDog · · Score: 1

      That's fucking awful. A console should last a decade, not 2 fucking years. The N64, SNES, NES .. they're all still classic devices we play and know as a discrete device.

      Both the exBox and PS4 made a good move by simply adding 4k/HDR to an interum release (as graphic tech hasn't really changed enough for new consoles yet). Consoles should move up slowly. They shouldn't be on the planned obsolescent cellphone junk cycle.

    6. Re:Make it a platform play by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 1

      In short, we should be able to play Xbox games from 2025 on the current Xbox One, but limited to 1080p at 30~60FPS.

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    7. Re:Make it a platform play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A console existed to deliver a high quality and consistent experience based on...

      Stop right there.

      Consoles exist to make a profit for those that created them. Nothing more. People can be locked into a platform for 6-8 years where you get a major cut of everything sold for that platform, fantastic! Everything else is secondary.

      It's the automobile manufacturer model on a smaller scale and with far better legal protections against customers buying what they want.

    8. Re:Make it a platform play by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      That's a gross exaggeration. The original IBM PC is older than the Commodore 64 and Coleco Adam and very few of those were sold as gaming boxes. The PC had a very good keyboard and hires text display for it's day. It excelled at word processing and spreadsheets. Some fine games were available for the CGA graphics card but the much cheaper Commodore 64, Atari 8bits, MSX and friends were better suited to that function with their hardware accelerated graphics chips and sound.

    9. Re:Make it a platform play by sad_ · · Score: 1

      it doesn't have to be, the platform could be intelligent in a way that it would reduce the quality of gfx/sfx/... dependin on the device it is running on.
      much like the switch degrades to 720 when it is in handheld mode, but goes to 1080 when docked.

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  3. So buying the X right now wouldn't be too smart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    PC Gaming keeps getting more attractive all the time. If we now are going to have 3 years life cycles, one might as well just give up on consoles.

    1. Re:So buying the X right now wouldn't be too smart by known_coward_69 · · Score: 1

      you can always get great deals being one gen behind. especially with the shortened cycles like now

    2. Re:So buying the X right now wouldn't be too smart by bondsbw · · Score: 1

      Depends on compatibility. Like phones, I don't buy one every year but it doesn't bother me that they release new ones that often.

      My opinion: a game should be playable on any console released within 6 years (prior or after the game's release date). And it should work on any console released while the game is still being sold "new" or still collecting in-game purchases.

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    3. Re:So buying the X right now wouldn't be too smart by jonesy16 · · Score: 4, Informative

      Where do you see 3-year life cycle? I have an Xbox One that I bought in 2013. It still does and will always play every Xbox One game released. A new hardware platform in 2020 would be a 7 year life cycle for a console which is completely reasonable. Remember that the Xbox One S and Xbox One X are effectively mid-cycle refreshes that just try and keep the platform viable until the next generation. They didn't drastically alter anything other than supporting some higher resolution needs of a subset of users.

    4. Re:So buying the X right now wouldn't be too smart by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      I'm staying seven generations behind. I'm getting free games and free consoles from trashcans!

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    5. Re:So buying the X right now wouldn't be too smart by meta-monkey · · Score: 1

      A few months back I bought a Wii U with ~25 games off eBay for $350. Great games, phenomenal value. I think it's about the perfect time to buy a Wii U because people are unloading their old stuff to buy a Switch, but the Wii U isn't old enough to have nostalgia value.

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    6. Re:So buying the X right now wouldn't be too smart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've never tried my Xbox One offline, however, a coworker brought his out to sea (we're in the Navy) where we were unable to connect it to the internet, and we were able to play it just fine every evening for a several week period without ever being prompted to connect to the net, that was 2015.

    7. Re:So buying the X right now wouldn't be too smart by sunking2 · · Score: 1

      That depends. Smart people likely have a job where spending ~$500 for 3 years doesn't break the bank when you can likely recoup %25 of the cost. People spend much more than that a year for 5m/day worth of coffee.

    8. Re:So buying the X right now wouldn't be too smart by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where do you see 3-year life cycle? I have an Xbox One that I bought in 2013. It still does and will always play every Xbox One game released

      Well, you might want to ignore it, but once Xbox One S and X where released, you slowly began to be left in the cold. Same thing with PS4 and PS4 Pro. Once developers have a higher target to aim, the lower target becomes some sort of 2nd tier platform.

    9. Re:So buying the X right now wouldn't be too smart by mordenkhai · · Score: 1

      You only need to connect for updates if you are trying to play online, if you are trying to play a new game which needs an update to the system to function, or if you are trying to play a digital game for rights verification. At no point was it daily required check ins. At launch (2013) you needed to get an update as well during console set up, not sure if that is still a thing.

  4. Will it have a less stupid name than XXX? by greenwow · · Score: 0

    That was just a dumb name for a product for children.

    1. Re:Will it have a less stupid name than XXX? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Mom, I want a XXX for Christmas."

    2. Re:Will it have a less stupid name than XXX? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So do I son, so do I.....

  5. No fun by TJHook3r · · Score: 1

    I haven't played on a PS4 or Xbox and I doubt I will get involved in the next generation unless they drop their preoccupation with polygons and frame rates and start producing fun games.

    1. Re:No fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Obviously, you haven't played Texas Hold 'Em, on the PS4.

    2. Re:No fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Found the Mario Party player!

  6. Daily quota of Microsoft articles on Slashdot met? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Daily quota of Microsoft articles on Slashdot met?

  7. The Xbox brand seems to be in a ditch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many 360 owners jumped ship to the PS4 this generation. And I'm sure many who bought an XBone ultimately regretted it and will switch to Sony next gen.

    1. Re:The Xbox brand seems to be in a ditch. by jonesy16 · · Score: 1

      I went from the 360 to the Xbox One and don't have any complaints. Fantastic piece of hardware and an enjoyable user experience. Also love the integration with Windows 10, allowing me to access the console, stream games, interact with parties, etc. without leaving my desktop.

    2. Re:The Xbox brand seems to be in a ditch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love my XBone and can't stand PlayStations since the original. Their controllers are utter shite but I haven't tried using a 3rd party one. Maybe there are some good ones. From a hardware perspective I don't think there is one thing wrong with it. It's nice to watch 4k BlueRays on my TV and use some of the other non-game functions seamlessly from playing games. However, Microsoft basically gave up on scoring exclusives or producing good in-house content. The game library is smaller than I'd like, but still big enough to make my wife think that I have a serious problem. It's nice that the games are also playable on my Windows box, should I ever choose to do so. I like to keep the console for gaming and the workstation for get this...working though.

    3. Re:The Xbox brand seems to be in a ditch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I love being able to relive my past with the great backwards compatibility list. Now just give me MGS HD collection dang it!

  8. Playstation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've been happy with my PS2, PS3, and PS4. There are maybe two games on Xbone that I would like to play, which is not enough to justify getting one. I could get those two games on Windows 10, but I ripped the MS store out of the one Windows 10 install I use for gaming on a Ryzen system.

    If Playstation ever gets as bad as Xbox, I'll just stick with the games I have, or emulate many of the old consoles I never had.

  9. And when do the exclusive games come out? by elrous0 · · Score: 1

    Because Sony seems to have all the best exclusives right now, and MS has specifically stated that all their Xbox exclusive games can be played on a PC too. So remind me why I should thrown down another $500 on a Xbox in 2020 after I just wasted $500 on one in 2017 and could just buy a PS5 and PC instead?

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    1. Re:And when do the exclusive games come out? by dissy · · Score: 1

      Because Sony seems to have all the best exclusives right now, and MS has specifically stated that all their Xbox exclusive games can be played on a PC too. So remind me why I should thrown down another $500 on a Xbox in 2020 after I just wasted $500 on one in 2017 and could just buy a PS5 and PC instead?

      "You" personally, or "you" in general?

      You personally, from your description, probably shouldn't.

      You in general may want to for any number of reasons, a couple good ones being A) you in general doesn't own a PC or a good enough one, and/or B) you in general prefers consoles over computers.

      Neither of the above apply to you personally, thus the different answers.
      In case it needs stated: not everyone in the world is exactly identical to me or you, and having different options for different peoples wants and needs is a good thing.

    2. Re:And when do the exclusive games come out? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have an XBox and a PC and it is a feature that I can play games on both, not a deterrent. Would it make my XBox any more useful if the games I purchased on it were only playable on it? No it wouldn't and that's why you're a dipshit. Yes, if I only played on PC then I would probably continue to only play on PC, but I prefer (generally) gaming on my console.

    3. Re:And when do the exclusive games come out? by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      why I should thrown down another $500 on a Xbox in 2020 after I just wasted $500 on one in 2017 and could just buy a PS5 and PC instead?

      I have a gaming PC and an Xbox One X attached to my TV. An Xbox is still a driver free experience that "just works". And $500 for a gaming PC is cheap. It also works well with a TV remote for streaming 4k HDR Surround sound reliably. Windows Apps aren't nearly as consistent in framerate and HDR output or surround sound.

      Also why would Microsoft care? You either buy a Windows PC or a Windows Xbox. They get your money either way.

    4. Re:And when do the exclusive games come out? by GNious · · Score: 1

      And $500 for a gaming PC is cheap.

      You should see the amount of times people have explained to me that they can build a gaming-PC that's both higher-specced and cheaper than PS4s/X1s ... and then immediately start on about how a GTX1080 is faster than either.......

  10. Sherlock by sexconker · · Score: 1

    No fucking shit.

    MS's E3 conference came and went, and they had a one line mentioned they're working on future Xbox hardware, they didn't reveal anything at all.

    MS probably could launch a new Xbox in 2019 running on AMD's latest shit fabbed at 7nm. That would be Navi and Zen 2.

    But my bet is they're going to force Sony to make the first move so they can one up them. The One X is a better hardware proposition than the PS4 Pro (fuck you, Sony, for not including UHD BR playback), but on games it seems like a loser. MS is busy buying up exclusive rights to titles and buying up smaller studios (they announced the purchase of four and the creation of a fifth) in order to get people into their platform, but they keep making these games available on Windows 10.

    MS is likely going to press hard for the Windows 10 integration and push for the Xbox Game Pass subscription (is this a subscription cost on TOP of the Live! subscription cost??). One of their best selling points - buying a game and getting it on Xbox and Windows 10 is one of their weaknesses, unfortunately. Of the handful of games on Xbox One, I'd much rather play them on PC (even if it means having a separate drive with Win 10 installed on it just to play games).

    Sony didn't say SQUAT about a PS5 this year, so it's a bit of a standoff at this point.

    1. Re:Sherlock by jonesy16 · · Score: 1

      I agree with most of your points. After getting burned by potential customer backlash over their original Xbox One reveal (more specifically over the game licensing changes, which I was in favor of), they probably prefer to see Sony make the first move and then respond in kind. I also agree that the One X is a nicer piece of hardware and I think they've done an excellent job of soliciting user feedback through their online portal (https://xboxideas.uservoice.com/) and have continued to enhance the product with monthly feature / bug fix updates.

      The only point I disagree on is the Windows 10 / Xbox cross-play and licensing. I love the idea of buying a game and getting the option to play it on my console or my PC and have the same online experience and I suspect this will only continue as the Xbox turns into more and more of a PC-based hardware solution. I prefer playing on the computer but many of my favorite games started off as Xbox only or I have to play on the Xbox if I want to play with my friends. As soon as that barrier is made completely transparent and I can just enjoy the game regardless of which Microsoft product I'm playing it on, the better.

    2. Re:Sherlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of the handful of games on Xbox One, I'd much rather play them on PC

      Yeah. And at US$ 500 a shot, every 3 years, I guess I rather spend that on a new video card and not on a console.

      Now, if we can just can have crypto miners stop messing with video card prices, that would be great.

    3. Re:Sherlock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      sexconker is a cow. Cows say moo. MOOOOO! MOOOOOO! Moo cows MOOOOOOO! Moo say the cows. YOU SEXCONKER COW!!

    4. Re:Sherlock by BronsCon · · Score: 1

      The only way you're spending $500 on an XBox every 3 years is if you're breaking them or buying spares.

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    5. Re:Sherlock by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      My prediction:

      Xbox Two Mini - 4k HDR media playback. Equivalent to Xbox One S performance.
      Xbox Two - 4k Games and Media. Equivalent to Xbox One X 1080p Quality but in 4k. 90fps VR.
      Xbox Two X - 4k Games and Media. Hardware raytracing.

    6. Re:Sherlock by sexconker · · Score: 1

      The only point I disagree on is the Windows 10 / Xbox cross-play and licensing. I love the idea of buying a game and getting the option to play it on my console or my PC and have the same online experience and I suspect this will only continue as the Xbox turns into more and more of a PC-based hardware solution. I prefer playing on the computer but many of my favorite games started off as Xbox only or I have to play on the Xbox if I want to play with my friends. As soon as that barrier is made completely transparent and I can just enjoy the game regardless of which Microsoft product I'm playing it on, the better.

      I think you misunderstood me. I love that part too. It means I'll be able to play Killer Instinct, for example, and whatever other games I want.

      But for MS it just means I won't be buying an Xbox. Because I don't have to. Publishers look at console sales numbers. And because I won't "jump in" to Xbox, I will buy fewer Xbox games, and be less likely to pay for Game Pass or Xbox Live. (If I buy a console for $400 or so, buying games to go with it is a more casual affair than buying games for PC. For my PC purchases, I have to specifically want that game. For my console purchases, I can simply be bored with my current games and notice my console collecting dust. There's a $$$ paperweight sitting there, reminding me that I'm not utilizing it.)

      In the long run maybe MS wants an Xbox "brand" that's not just a box but also a spec for Windows 10 PCs. Then games will just be sold as requiring an Xbox device of a given year or an Xbox device with a given performance rating or better. This will keep a huge population of users tied into Windows, either on a traditional PC (which MS fears will disappear) or on the dedicated console Xbox. But for them to get there, they need to show me that it's worthwhile to buy the dedicated/branded box, show publishers that the market for Xbox-tied games on PC is worthwhile, or some blend of the two. And they have to do it better than Steam did with the abortion that was Steam Machines. And they have to compete against Steam, UPlay, Origin, etc.

      Ultimately, this feature could end up exposing Xbox players to the open PC market, and exposing publishers (on Steam, or with their own stores) to Xbox players and their money.

    7. Re:Sherlock by sexconker · · Score: 1

      Xbox
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      Xero / Xtreme

    8. Re:Sherlock by jonesy16 · · Score: 1

      Oh, yes, that makes more sense. My guess, and I stress that it's a guess, is that MS makes far more money on the recurring revenue from licensing to game publishers and Xbox Live subscriptions, and from their standpoint would prefer to bring that model to the PC market as well. If they can just charge you as a "gamer" to support their Xbox ecosystem, then they shouldn't care whether you're playing on a "console" or a PC. They benefit from increased revenue from PC gamers, and people like me benefit from the flexibility of playing at the PC when I want to and playing on the console when I want to (with all of my saved games following me no matter where I play in the world).

  11. Big Whoop De Fucking Do by SumDog · · Score: 1

    Graphics tech hasn't really advanced enough for this to matter. It's the reason we're still on the PeeS4/exBox. The 4k/HDR upgrades were nice and a lot of games are taking advantage of them; but before we get a new generation of consoles, we need some major innovation in graphics. Like, uncanny divide breaking graphics. Like making you uncomfortable like you're controlling a movie graphics.

    Trouble is, studies show customers do not like those styles of realistic graphics. They get creepy. So what's next? What's the next big innovation that will give us a newer console? Graphics? Sound? 8k resolution?

    1. Re:Big Whoop De Fucking Do by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It doesn't sound like much, but a new console will have a much faster CPU, as the 8 Jaguar cores are considered very slow these days.
      So, more objects on screen, or more complex environments, or bigger draw distance, or easier to get 60 fps games. And a new baseline for games, which currently have to target the original Xbox One.
      CPU and GPU should better cooperate on tasks, so better physics and what not.
      Perhaps use of voxels for some things, or just more geometry so you can make everyone stone in the walls in the released game not just the trailer.

      In other words you might be entirely right!
      Also, support of 4K HDR TVs with variable refresh rate.
      My guess is that'll sell because there always will be people with the original 2013 consoles versions, people who skipped or abandoned consoles, first time console buyers, people who haven't played consoles in 15/20 years. And, people who buy every time.

    2. Re:Big Whoop De Fucking Do by im_thatoneguy · · Score: 1

      A huge innovation would be hardware raytracing. Global illumination, raytraced shadows and better reflections would not be creepy at all. In fact it can help with stylized graphics. Better Sub Surface Scattering makes things look softer and friendlier not creepy robot plastic-y.

  12. I rarely say any good about M$, but I see no Ads by ffkom · · Score: 1

    ... on an Xbox One X that perfectly well plays all the games inserted on physical discs - and which is not connected to the Internet.

    If Xbox wasn't useable offline, I would never had bothered looking at it - if only because you can be sure, if the machine is online, MicroSoft will harvest personal data from you like crazy.

  13. Why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They just launched the Xbox One X and have yet to even show anything that looks as good as PS4 games from a few years ago. They need to at least make good on the $500 hardware they already launched

  14. NextBox by mentil · · Score: 2

    It's plausible that two models of Xbox will be released out the gate: a standard model with a spinning hard drive and baseline performance (enough for 4k 30fps play), and another model with a SSD and substantially more powerful graphics (for 4k ~60fps). Coming late 2020, that could be ~11TFLOPS (40% improvement from architecture, and a compounded 35% from 7nm die shrink) for $399, and ~18TFLOPS for $549 respectively. Expect a price drop as NAND prices come down and the 5nm shrink happens a year or so later, eventually ditching the standard model. Compatible with (maybe only 2nd-gen) Windows Mixed Reality headsets, as well.

    Rumor is also that the PS5 devkits are going out to 3rd party developers already. That could signal a late 2019 launch, although rumors suggest 2020 is more likely. In any case, new console generations will be defined by how much RAM they have, rather than how much graphical power they have. Scaling back graphics (particularly resolution, now) is relatively straightforward but changing coding to require less RAM isn't so easy.

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    Corruption is convincing someone that the selfless ideal is the same as their selfish ideal.
  15. Re: So buying the X right now wouldn't be too smar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Xbox one released in 2013. It's a 7 year cycle. Xbox one x is not a different platform. It's the same shit in higher resolution.