You missed first post. Mods, he's redundant. In fact, the previous shark comment (actual FP) should be marked redundant as well because it's just too damned obvious.
You want a non-obvious, far better (but still bad) shark joke? Come on, guys, have you no originality at all?
Q: Why did the shark cross the road? A: To get to Romania.
I love my meat too....but, I'd prefer it be raised in a more natural way.
So would I, it would taste much better. I have a friend who raised a few hogs several years ago, and he had a friend who worked at an ice cream factory who would bring a pickup truck load of outdated ice cream mix to him every few weeks. He fed the hogs a mixture of half hog feed and half ice cream, that was the best tasting pork I ever ate!
If the prime concern is really to feed people them I'm sure we could take away a good amount of land used for producing corn to feed livestock to feed people and just devote it to growing various produce crops to directly feed people.
If there wer actually a food shortage I would agree with you, but there isn't. The world produces more than enough food to feed everyone; greed and politics are the only things keeping people hungry.
Dice.com bought slashdot. It was on the front page yesterday.
BTW, moderators, a heartfelt thank you for modding my previous post and the one I responded to as offtopic. Seriously, it was indeed offtopic and I'd hoped you'd mod it and its parent down, my karma remains excellent and I like to see slashdot retain its excellence as well. Good work!
Who's to say that sitting in an opium den is worse than running a marathon to get your fix?
I've said for a long time that runners are worse than heroin junkies. The runners get the endorphin high, and heroin wouldn't do anything if it didn't fit endorphin receptors.
Shooting heroin won't ruin your knees (this is especially a problem with women, whose sleletons weren't evolved for running) and what's more, heroin addicts don't run blindly out from behind a dumpster into the street right in front of my car like the runners, shitfaced stoned on the endorphins, do.
OTOH the runners don't burglarize my house or rob liquor stores...
Because, thanks to GM crops and pesticides and the vastly improved crop yields they've provided, food today is plentiful in the developed world.
Pesticides and fertilizers have helped yields quite a bit, GM not so much. Other scientific field testing is far more effective at increasing yeilds, such as soil testing for Ph, nitrogen fixation, and other chemistry has helped boost yields a lot, as has different plowing strategies, improved weather forecasting, etc.
The biggest benefit of modern farming techniques is the use of mechanization. What used to take an army of farmhands now takes only a few people running machinery, lowering your food costs considerably.
Well over half of Illinois is cropland. You just couldn't plant as many acres as that before modern machinery, there just weren't enough people to plant, tend, and harvest.
Libre is awesome, no doubt, but let's not pretend it's even in the same league as office. Libre is comparable to Office 97, maybe
We used WordStar back in the day, then Word Perfect, then Word Perfect for Windows, then Word 97, Word 2003, now we're on Office 2007. Went from Lotis to Quattro to Excel 97, Excel 03 (actually Word and Excel were in the office suites). I haven't seen any improvement in word processing since Word Perfect for Windows and in spreadsheets since Excel 97. What will Word 2010 do that Word 97 won't?
You know what I hate most about Office? MS Access. I do mostly databases at work, used to be dBase on the PC and NOMAD on the mainframe, different commands and slightly different syntaxt but you could make those puppies do anything. Then they got Clipper, better than dBase because you could compile EXEs with it. Then they went to MS Foxpro. Not a bad program but not as good as Clipper or dBase, although it had some nice coding shortcuts.
But Access? Access is a spagetti code clusterfuck of an almost language. No real coding, just dragging boxes around with no good way to document anything (and no, its documentation featuire is about as helpful as its help feature... not at all). When we "upgraded" from 97 to 03, not one of the programs I wrote in 97 worked at all! I had to research how to use the 97 libraries with 03. You should NOT put your users through that!
BTW, what division of Microsoft do you work for? I hope you're not one of the guys working on Access, if so pleas kill yourslef and your team members and rid us of that monstrosity. Jesus but that fucking program sucks and has always sucked, and Access '07 sucks even worse than Access 03. I'll be so glad when I can retire in 2014 and get away from that gawdoffal program. I used to love doing database work before we were forced to use Access.
Do we also take into account the fact that cannabis (much like other drugs) can be a trigger for a number of mental and cardiac problems,
From your "cardiac problems" link:
Conclusionsâ"Smoking marijuana is a rare trigger of acute myocardial infarction. . Smoking marijuana is known to have hemodynamic consequences, including a dose-dependent increase in heart rate, supine hypertension, and postural hypotension; however, whether it can trigger the onset of myocardial infarction is unknown.
Know what the most pronounced trigger for myocardial infarction (heart attack) is? Getting up in the morning!
As to your other link, they have the cart firmly in front of the horse. people with mental illnesses are usually crazy long before ever taking any drug. From your link: "What research has failed to show is if cannabis use is a consequence or cause of psychiatric disorders."
I guess you either didn't read your own links, or figured nobody else would, because they don't say what you say they say.
Right now we still use XP and it does everything we need it to. Sure 7 might do more
If it does, I haven't found it. In fact, I found little improvement aside from better security and stability (although it was usually flaky hardware that made Windows unstable, several times I've had Win and Lin dual boot, and cursed Windows until the flaky hardware failed completely, and so far I'm running W7 on a newish machine).
In many places it's gone backwards. The file manager has gotten worse, the search function is useless. XP was far better than W7 in both places.
Once they took that attitude of "update your apps or else", it really made me appreciate all the hard work that Microsoft has done in that sense. I can still run a lot of old stuff in the latest Windows, and even the DOS applications can be run with a bunch of free emulators like DOSBox.
Yes, MS worked mightily to preserve backwards compatibility... too bad they failed so badly. Upgraded from DOS 6.2 to W95, no sound in most of my games (I was into games back then). W95 to XP? FoxPro (MS's own damned program) would no longer work. XP to W7? Fuck it, I didn't even try to make old programs work.
Now, Linux otoh, I've only been running that for 10 years, but everything that worked in Mandrake still works in kubuntu. And it will run the DOS programs better than Windows with dosbox!
You are correct except for opiate withdrawal -- that can kill without medical conditions. So can withdrawal from alcohol. Caffiene withdrawal won't kill you but the headache isn't nice.
As for addictive... Cannabis IS addictive. Psychologically for sure
The term for that is habituation, not addiction, and as you alluded, anything can be habitual. Drink a glass of orange juice every morning and when you're out, you have a bad day. It's not anything in the orange juice, it's the act of drinking it every day. marijuana is no different.
Physical Dependence requires Tolerance and Withdrawal.
Correct. That is addiction. Coffee, alcohol, tobacco, all addictive. Withdrawal from alcohol or heroin or oxycontin can kill you.
You definitely get tolerance with cannabis, specifically because the receptors that the cannabinoids attach to begin to down regulate or stop functioning so that you need more cannabinoids to have the same effect.
Actually with marijuana, if you smoke a joint first thing every morning and keep smoking all day every day, being high will be normal to you and you'll have to smoke more to FEEL high. This is far different from alcohol. Seven beers and I can barely walk at all, but my alcoholic friend Amy walked to the hospital with over a.4 BAC, that's twice as much as will kill most people. If she went without a drink for two weeks, half that amount would kill her. THAT is tolerance. Many heroin addicts who go through treatment or are incarcerated die soon after they're released; they get their first hit and overdose, because they've lost their tolerance and do the same amount they did before thwy dried out.
As for withdrawal, there is very clear withdrawal symptoms associated to stopping cannabis use suddenly: irritability, anger, aggression, restlessness, difficulty focusing, increased appetite, weight gain, sleep disturbances (insomnia, disturbing dreams, etc.), anxiety, depressed mood, cravings, sensitivity to light, stomach pain, increased sweating, fever, chills, and headaches, to name a few.
Odd, I've known pot smokers all my adult life, many of them very heavy daily users. Quite often the supply dries up and there's none around for a couple of weeks, but I've never seen these symptoms in anyone, with a couple of exceptions:
irritability, anger, aggression, restlessness
These are symptoms of bipolar disorder, not of drug withdrawal, and marijuana is a good treatment for these symptoms. You could say that schitzophrenia is a symptom of Haldol withdrawal and you'd be equally wrong -- the Haldol is prescribed to keep the schitzophrenic from being batshit insane. Folks with bopolar disorder often self-medicate with pot and don't even know they're self-medicating.
difficulty focusing
Think about that one for a minute... you've been high for a week and you have difficulty focusing when you quit??? That's insanely illogical.
increased appetite, weight gain
LOL, you get the munchies when you're high, not when you stop.
I never heard anyone having trouble sleeping when quitting pot, but the disturbing dreams, yes -- because when you smoke pot, you don't remember your dreams at all; I suspect that remembering your dreams is a bug, not a feature, of the human brain. But when you haven't had a dream for two years, any dream is going to be disturbing.
anxiety, depressed mood
Again, these are symptoms of mental illness that the marijuana simply masked.
stomach pain
Not just stomach pain, all pain. Pot is a weak analgesic that works for lots of pains, including arthritis. Again, I must be addicted to aspirin and naproxin, because a withdrawal symptom of those drugs is often arthritis!
Reputable facts are a good thing to know if you're going to make claims
You mean REFUTABLE facts. Your "facts" are incorrect, and I don't care who told you, they're incorrect.
Psychology is almost science, it is where astrology was before it became astronomy. I took a psychology class in collge, and I quote the instructor: "There isn't a psychologist alive that there's not another psychologist calling him a gold-studded liar." Freud and his "everything comes down to sex" is pretty much how scientific psychology is. Where are your controlled studies? Your link cites none.
In Outlook 2003, you could right-click on the message and go to Properties. In Outlook 2007, it was right-click, Options, now it's under the abysmal Home Button thingy > Options, and you have to have the message opened to do. I'm sure some fanboi is going to jump on here and tell me of some other way to open it, but the point is, I don't want to learn new ways to do the same thing; we spend enough time in IT learning new technologies that UI distractions like Microsoft fobs off on us are unwelcome and counterproductive.
This!!!! Is my biggest complaint against Microsoft. How in the hell did they ever get the reputation of being user-friendly? MS OSes and apps are decidedly user-hostile.
Have you ever wondered why blue-collar guys vote for Republicans?
Nope, it's pretty obvious to me: They have only two digits in their IQs, high enough intelligence to function in society but too damned stupid to realize that the people they're voting for (who were smart enough to fool them) that they're voting against their own interests.
Yeah, we should ban evil pesticides! Down with evil chemicals and modern GM farming! Organic all the way!
True to your user name, I see. Nobody has sugested that all pesticides are bad or that we should return to the 19th century. You do realize that there were no tractors back then, let alone harvesters or combines?
This one strain of corn is what's under discussion, and it looks like it should be banned... if the methodology of its studies hold up. Which it looks as if they may not.
I know you're joking, but pot does NOT cause schitzophrenia; it's a cart-and-horse correlation thing. Undiagnosed schitzophrenics are self-medicating; the schitzophrenia comes first. Pot doesn't make you crazy, but crazy people are more likely to smoke pot (it is illegal, after all).
If you complain about stuff like that on a Mac, I cannot imagine how you would be trashing Linux for all its quirkiness.
Quirkiness? How? You realize, I hope, that there is no one Linux, there are many different distros of Linux. Gnome? I hate it. KDE? In what way is it quirky? It follows every convention I can think of, and if you're used to Mac or Windows (any flavor of either) you'll find it very easy to use; much easier than any version of Windows. Windows is a useability nightmare (I understand iOS is pretty useable, maybe even better than kde; I haven't used it).
See, still there. Probably modded offtopic, as it should be, but it's there. If Dice were going to remove a comment, do you think they would advertise the fact with bold type? No, they'd simply remove it quietly.
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You missed first post. Mods, he's redundant. In fact, the previous shark comment (actual FP) should be marked redundant as well because it's just too damned obvious.
You want a non-obvious, far better (but still bad) shark joke? Come on, guys, have you no originality at all?
Q: Why did the shark cross the road?
A: To get to Romania.
I wonder if anyone's ported any Linux search engines or file managers to Windows? There are severy very good ones out there... for Linux.
I love my meat too....but, I'd prefer it be raised in a more natural way.
So would I, it would taste much better. I have a friend who raised a few hogs several years ago, and he had a friend who worked at an ice cream factory who would bring a pickup truck load of outdated ice cream mix to him every few weeks. He fed the hogs a mixture of half hog feed and half ice cream, that was the best tasting pork I ever ate!
How about "file"? Or better yet, label the god damned thing directly. It was a really, really stupid design and should be changed.
If the prime concern is really to feed people them I'm sure we could take away a good amount of land used for producing corn to feed livestock to feed people and just devote it to growing various produce crops to directly feed people.
If there wer actually a food shortage I would agree with you, but there isn't. The world produces more than enough food to feed everyone; greed and politics are the only things keeping people hungry.
There are large numbers of people that are not just suggesting but demanding that all pesticides be banned.
There are nuts in every debate, but they haven't shown up in this one yet.
I'm not running for office, but if I were the Tea Partiers would be beating a path to my door... with torches and pitchforks.
no its all mine im not sharing!!
We're talking about pot here, not crack.
Dice.com bought slashdot. It was on the front page yesterday.
BTW, moderators, a heartfelt thank you for modding my previous post and the one I responded to as offtopic. Seriously, it was indeed offtopic and I'd hoped you'd mod it and its parent down, my karma remains excellent and I like to see slashdot retain its excellence as well. Good work!
Who's to say that sitting in an opium den is worse than running a marathon to get your fix?
I've said for a long time that runners are worse than heroin junkies. The runners get the endorphin high, and heroin wouldn't do anything if it didn't fit endorphin receptors.
Shooting heroin won't ruin your knees (this is especially a problem with women, whose sleletons weren't evolved for running) and what's more, heroin addicts don't run blindly out from behind a dumpster into the street right in front of my car like the runners, shitfaced stoned on the endorphins, do.
OTOH the runners don't burglarize my house or rob liquor stores...
Because, thanks to GM crops and pesticides and the vastly improved crop yields they've provided, food today is plentiful in the developed world.
Pesticides and fertilizers have helped yields quite a bit, GM not so much. Other scientific field testing is far more effective at increasing yeilds, such as soil testing for Ph, nitrogen fixation, and other chemistry has helped boost yields a lot, as has different plowing strategies, improved weather forecasting, etc.
The biggest benefit of modern farming techniques is the use of mechanization. What used to take an army of farmhands now takes only a few people running machinery, lowering your food costs considerably.
Well over half of Illinois is cropland. You just couldn't plant as many acres as that before modern machinery, there just weren't enough people to plant, tend, and harvest.
Libre is awesome, no doubt, but let's not pretend it's even in the same league as office. Libre is comparable to Office 97, maybe
We used WordStar back in the day, then Word Perfect, then Word Perfect for Windows, then Word 97, Word 2003, now we're on Office 2007. Went from Lotis to Quattro to Excel 97, Excel 03 (actually Word and Excel were in the office suites). I haven't seen any improvement in word processing since Word Perfect for Windows and in spreadsheets since Excel 97. What will Word 2010 do that Word 97 won't?
You know what I hate most about Office? MS Access. I do mostly databases at work, used to be dBase on the PC and NOMAD on the mainframe, different commands and slightly different syntaxt but you could make those puppies do anything. Then they got Clipper, better than dBase because you could compile EXEs with it. Then they went to MS Foxpro. Not a bad program but not as good as Clipper or dBase, although it had some nice coding shortcuts.
But Access? Access is a spagetti code clusterfuck of an almost language. No real coding, just dragging boxes around with no good way to document anything (and no, its documentation featuire is about as helpful as its help feature... not at all). When we "upgraded" from 97 to 03, not one of the programs I wrote in 97 worked at all! I had to research how to use the 97 libraries with 03. You should NOT put your users through that!
BTW, what division of Microsoft do you work for? I hope you're not one of the guys working on Access, if so pleas kill yourslef and your team members and rid us of that monstrosity. Jesus but that fucking program sucks and has always sucked, and Access '07 sucks even worse than Access 03. I'll be so glad when I can retire in 2014 and get away from that gawdoffal program. I used to love doing database work before we were forced to use Access.
I wanna edit that and get rid of the hyphen.
And I want to edit your comment. Do spell checkers pass "wanna" these days?
Do we also take into account the fact that cannabis (much like other drugs) can be a trigger for a number of mental and cardiac problems,
From your "cardiac problems" link:
Know what the most pronounced trigger for myocardial infarction (heart attack) is? Getting up in the morning!
As to your other link, they have the cart firmly in front of the horse. people with mental illnesses are usually crazy long before ever taking any drug. From your link: "What research has failed to show is if cannabis use is a consequence or cause of psychiatric disorders."
I guess you either didn't read your own links, or figured nobody else would, because they don't say what you say they say.
Right now we still use XP and it does everything we need it to. Sure 7 might do more
If it does, I haven't found it. In fact, I found little improvement aside from better security and stability (although it was usually flaky hardware that made Windows unstable, several times I've had Win and Lin dual boot, and cursed Windows until the flaky hardware failed completely, and so far I'm running W7 on a newish machine).
In many places it's gone backwards. The file manager has gotten worse, the search function is useless. XP was far better than W7 in both places.
Once they took that attitude of "update your apps or else", it really made me appreciate all the hard work that Microsoft has done in that sense. I can still run a lot of old stuff in the latest Windows, and even the DOS applications can be run with a bunch of free emulators like DOSBox.
Yes, MS worked mightily to preserve backwards compatibility... too bad they failed so badly. Upgraded from DOS 6.2 to W95, no sound in most of my games (I was into games back then). W95 to XP? FoxPro (MS's own damned program) would no longer work. XP to W7? Fuck it, I didn't even try to make old programs work.
Now, Linux otoh, I've only been running that for 10 years, but everything that worked in Mandrake still works in kubuntu. And it will run the DOS programs better than Windows with dosbox!
You are correct except for opiate withdrawal -- that can kill without medical conditions. So can withdrawal from alcohol. Caffiene withdrawal won't kill you but the headache isn't nice.
As for addictive... Cannabis IS addictive. Psychologically for sure
The term for that is habituation, not addiction, and as you alluded, anything can be habitual. Drink a glass of orange juice every morning and when you're out, you have a bad day. It's not anything in the orange juice, it's the act of drinking it every day. marijuana is no different.
Physical Dependence requires Tolerance and Withdrawal.
Correct. That is addiction. Coffee, alcohol, tobacco, all addictive. Withdrawal from alcohol or heroin or oxycontin can kill you.
You definitely get tolerance with cannabis, specifically because the receptors that the cannabinoids attach to begin to down regulate or stop functioning so that you need more cannabinoids to have the same effect.
Actually with marijuana, if you smoke a joint first thing every morning and keep smoking all day every day, being high will be normal to you and you'll have to smoke more to FEEL high. This is far different from alcohol. Seven beers and I can barely walk at all, but my alcoholic friend Amy walked to the hospital with over a .4 BAC, that's twice as much as will kill most people. If she went without a drink for two weeks, half that amount would kill her. THAT is tolerance. Many heroin addicts who go through treatment or are incarcerated die soon after they're released; they get their first hit and overdose, because they've lost their tolerance and do the same amount they did before thwy dried out.
As for withdrawal, there is very clear withdrawal symptoms associated to stopping cannabis use suddenly: irritability, anger, aggression, restlessness, difficulty focusing, increased appetite, weight gain, sleep disturbances (insomnia, disturbing dreams, etc.), anxiety, depressed mood, cravings, sensitivity to light, stomach pain, increased sweating, fever, chills, and headaches, to name a few.
Odd, I've known pot smokers all my adult life, many of them very heavy daily users. Quite often the supply dries up and there's none around for a couple of weeks, but I've never seen these symptoms in anyone, with a couple of exceptions:
irritability, anger, aggression, restlessness
These are symptoms of bipolar disorder, not of drug withdrawal, and marijuana is a good treatment for these symptoms. You could say that schitzophrenia is a symptom of Haldol withdrawal and you'd be equally wrong -- the Haldol is prescribed to keep the schitzophrenic from being batshit insane. Folks with bopolar disorder often self-medicate with pot and don't even know they're self-medicating.
difficulty focusing
Think about that one for a minute... you've been high for a week and you have difficulty focusing when you quit??? That's insanely illogical.
increased appetite, weight gain
LOL, you get the munchies when you're high, not when you stop.
sleep disturbances (insomnia, disturbing dreams, etc.),
I never heard anyone having trouble sleeping when quitting pot, but the disturbing dreams, yes -- because when you smoke pot, you don't remember your dreams at all; I suspect that remembering your dreams is a bug, not a feature, of the human brain. But when you haven't had a dream for two years, any dream is going to be disturbing.
anxiety, depressed mood
Again, these are symptoms of mental illness that the marijuana simply masked.
stomach pain
Not just stomach pain, all pain. Pot is a weak analgesic that works for lots of pains, including arthritis. Again, I must be addicted to aspirin and naproxin, because a withdrawal symptom of those drugs is often arthritis!
Reputable facts are a good thing to know if you're going to make claims
You mean REFUTABLE facts. Your "facts" are incorrect, and I don't care who told you, they're incorrect.
Psychology is almost science, it is where astrology was before it became astronomy. I took a psychology class in collge, and I quote the instructor: "There isn't a psychologist alive that there's not another psychologist calling him a gold-studded liar." Freud and his "everything comes down to sex" is pretty much how scientific psychology is. Where are your controlled studies? Your link cites none.
In Outlook 2003, you could right-click on the message and go to Properties. In Outlook 2007, it was right-click, Options, now it's under the abysmal Home Button thingy > Options, and you have to have the message opened to do. I'm sure some fanboi is going to jump on here and tell me of some other way to open it, but the point is, I don't want to learn new ways to do the same thing; we spend enough time in IT learning new technologies that UI distractions like Microsoft fobs off on us are unwelcome and counterproductive.
This!!!! Is my biggest complaint against Microsoft. How in the hell did they ever get the reputation of being user-friendly? MS OSes and apps are decidedly user-hostile.
Have you ever wondered why blue-collar guys vote for Republicans?
Nope, it's pretty obvious to me: They have only two digits in their IQs, high enough intelligence to function in society but too damned stupid to realize that the people they're voting for (who were smart enough to fool them) that they're voting against their own interests.
Just do what gamers have learned to do with DRM software: buy it, stick it in your closet, pirate the hassle-free DRM free copy.
That's a good strategy with media, but not with applications. Pirating software is begging to be rooted.
Yeah, we should ban evil pesticides! Down with evil chemicals and modern GM farming! Organic all the way!
True to your user name, I see. Nobody has sugested that all pesticides are bad or that we should return to the 19th century. You do realize that there were no tractors back then, let alone harvesters or combines?
This one strain of corn is what's under discussion, and it looks like it should be banned... if the methodology of its studies hold up. Which it looks as if they may not.
I know you're joking, but pot does NOT cause schitzophrenia; it's a cart-and-horse correlation thing. Undiagnosed schitzophrenics are self-medicating; the schitzophrenia comes first. Pot doesn't make you crazy, but crazy people are more likely to smoke pot (it is illegal, after all).
If you complain about stuff like that on a Mac, I cannot imagine how you would be trashing Linux for all its quirkiness.
Quirkiness? How? You realize, I hope, that there is no one Linux, there are many different distros of Linux. Gnome? I hate it. KDE? In what way is it quirky? It follows every convention I can think of, and if you're used to Mac or Windows (any flavor of either) you'll find it very easy to use; much easier than any version of Windows. Windows is a useability nightmare (I understand iOS is pretty useable, maybe even better than kde; I haven't used it).
YHBT. HAND. Proof?
DICE SUX0RZ!!!!
See, still there. Probably modded offtopic, as it should be, but it's there. If Dice were going to remove a comment, do you think they would advertise the fact with bold type? No, they'd simply remove it quietly.