I guess it is good that you can actually already do this with a dongle that weighs like an ounce. Cool thing is your whole tablet does not have be bulkier to support the slot when you are only going to use it once a week!
No its is not good. Does anybody LIKE dongles?
A dongle is a clumsy solution.
They are far more prone to break, or break the port they are sticking out of than a built in slot. They are far more likely to not be around when you need it.
They cost far more.
They have to be in your pocket at the ready for them to be useful. An ipad's light sleek design is somewhat negated if I'm have to carry a bag of dongles around to use with it.
And its still pathetic and slow as molasses. A worthless iReview on iLounge was glowing about how it transfered 500MB in 2 minutes and used only 2% of the battery.
My current camera uses an 8GB card. So apparently I need to wait 32 minutes and consume 1/3rd of the battery. And that's assuming there will be room to copy it over, which is not a safe assumption at all.
Surely it would be a lot better if it just let me access it where it was right on the card.
Can you actually name any that are relevant, other than you don't want to pay more for the higher capacity device?
a) I can pull the sd card out of my digital camera and view/share the content on a larger screen. I do that a lot with my laptop. Takes about 5 seconds. What other way for moving 8GB of data from one device to another is there?
Yes, there is a clumsy work around where you copy the multiple gigabytes of data over a usb cable that you have in your pocket at all times... and which can take half an hour or more... and if your camera's battery is low from taking all those pics...your SOL.
b) I can give a copy of pictures / media / documents to anyone else who has an SD card.
So... you've got 5GB worth of wedding video and photos on your ipad from your brothers wedding, and your sister says... hey can I have a copy... removable storage to the rescue.
c) A year from now, your idevice is nearing full. removable storage gives you either a trivial way to double or triple your storage... or with a bit more management... unlimited storage.
d) c-above applies even if you did actually buy the highest capacity device available, and still need more space.
Implying that all iDevice users are too dumb to handle a filesystem is irritating.
It was a rhetorical question directed at the original poster to illustrate that I thought his excuse ("file system management") for not supporting removal storage was specious. Nothing more.
If those prices are too high or you don't like their marketing practices or the devices don't do what you need them to do then DO NOT BUY THEM
Any particular reason I shouldn't remark about why I didn't buy them?
I don't get the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth caused by Apple releases
I don't get the fanboi fawning caused by them either. I think the two balance each other out, and its likely that the anti-reaction is in direct proportion to the fanboi-fawning reaction
"Either you agree with Apple, or you are not their customer."
If Apple was losing customers to this you wouldn't be posting.
I don't have an ipad. Not having the option to install the software I want to install at will, including flash is one of the reasons.
If the sort of mentality that invented the Motorola Zoom invented a rifle, it would have interchangeable bolts and barrels for different gauge ammunition, six different selectable firing rates and patterns...
False dichotomy. It doesn't have to be nothing or everything-under-the-sun.
It could simply have an SD card slot. You know, like virtually every other phone, tablet, and laptop on the market. Even Apple's laptops have one.
but we would be constantly reminded that it's only a "1.0" product and that it's really meant for the "power gun user" market instead of for the Joe Sixpack "just-wants-to-shoot" crowd.
Apparently Joe Sixpack just gets to point. Actually shooting would require an opening to put bullets in and steve jobs thought that would be too much.
Pulling an SD card out of my own or a friends digital camera and sticking it into an iPad to view the photos is about as obvious and natural an application as one can imagine. Even my TV has an SD card slot for the same purpose.
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You either understand why its exclusion is a good thing or you don't, so there's nothing to add there.
Wow. That's some arrogance. Did you really mean to say: "Either you agree with apple, or you are wrong."
There are certain advantages to having sealed, fixed memory
Can you actually name any that are relevant?
Not having to manipulate a file system isn't one by the way. My car stereo handles CDs, mp3 disks, flash memory, and ipods, and all the complicated file system stuff is completely invisible... I just push the source button. I guess that would be too overwhelming for an iDevice user?
Another example is the Nintendo Wii file system management which a 4 year old has no trouble with.
Meanwhile the multiple advantages of removable storage however are blindingly obvious.
Arguing about the trade-offs of expandable/removable storage its about as idiotic as as arguing about the trade offs of wearing a motorcycle helmet. (In that yes, there are circumstances where not having a helmet on would be advantageous... but the disadvantages thoroughly outweigh any advantages.)
but you're NOT going to see those in iOS products
This same arguments about how you didn't need were made about native application development and multi-tasking...
The main reason there is no expandable memory is that: a) Steve Job's obsessively hates slots and buttons, and is more than willing to sacrifice function to get form.
b) If you can slide in your own 8GB SD card for $50, why would you pay hundreds of dollars extra for one with extra memory?
My wife signed up to facebook breifly, "friended" a few friends and family, and within a day or two had old boyfriends and male acquaintances trying to get in touch with her to chat etc... it was vaguely unsettling really. I'm sure some were happily adjusted in their own lives and were just interested in catching up... but it was pretty clear some of them were looking to hook up.
Its pretty easy to see how that can get out of hand.
It even seems to be a likely outcome of joining facebook from what I've seen.
And to rebutt your car analogy -- nothing like that happens you buy a new car. I'll concede that cars are also tools that are used by the unfaithful, but the car doesn't have all your exboyfriends in the backseat when you buy it.
You made me spit coffee out at "awesome keyboard".
At this point, in my opinion a keyboard with the primary keys in the correct places counts as an awesome keyboard.
Laptop Manufacturers take note: Please do not stick an extra key between " and enter. I will not buy a laptop with a slash jammed between quote and enter.
Does anyone like that particular keyboard tweak that is so common on laptop keyboards?
Solve a 10^12345 city TSP problem on current hardware for me, please. It's not possible, since it won't even fit in memory, disregarding problems of the hardware breaking down/the sun exploding before the problem finishes/etc.
Make the problem big enough and even simple problems are infeasible. Calculate the sum of 2 numbers with 10^12345 digits each... can't do that either, but we don't go around calling arithmetic an unsolvable problem.
Your complaint is *really* that Apple has said, "This is our vision for our product, this is what it does, and this is how it works," and that that vision doesn't match how YOU think they should operate.
I don't care how they operate their business. However they *are* blocking how I'd like to operate mine, and how the consumers would like to use the products the consumers own.
If Ford decides to open an accessories store, that's perfectly fine. If they want to dictate what is in the store that's fine too. If they want 30% of revenue for anything they sell, that's fine too. But would we let them dictate that consumers are only allowed to buy Ford accessories from the Ford Store?
Of course not. If I want to sell seat covers for Fords or even replacement seats, I can do that. I don't need Fords permission to sell them. The consumer doesn't need Fords permission to use them. And there is no way in hell Ford could demand 30% of the revenue if we didn't transact through Ford channels.
Only an idiot would argue that "Yes Ford could do that, and if you didn't like it don't buy a ford, start your own car company with your own rules, and your own vision for the product.
No we passed laws requiring the automotive industry to allow 3rd party replacement parts and accessories, and even mandated that they couldn't automatically terminate the warranty simply because the customer took their car to an independent mechanic and/or used 3rd party parts.
Having a "vision for the product" doesn't magically let you trample over the rights of the people who bought it, and the rights of independent companies who wish to transact directly with people who bought the product.
If I buy a Ford and want to install a toaster oven, Ford doesn't get a say in the matter. It doesn't matter if toaster ovens aren't in their vision for the product or not. Period.
It's completely irrelevant that I can buy a different car that does allow toaster ovens. That is still no justification whatsoever that Ford should be allowed to dictate I can't install one in a Ford.
If the product is a non-starter, then why the hell do you get so wound up about it? Ignore it, and let it die off, just like millions of other bad products have in the past.
If we followed that advice when it came to cars, we'd all be obligated to take our car to the dealer for everything and purchase parts and service at monopolistic price levels.
There is no "other store" to buy from in Apple-town, and you know that when you move in. If you want a town with a dozen different stores to shop from, then don't move into a town with only one store.
It bothers me that I am not legally allowed to open a competitor. And that if I some how managed it, the residents of the town would be actively prevented from shopping there.
Now you can say, "Well don't go to that town..." all you like, but I don't think it should even be legal for their to be a town with rules like that.
It would be like finding a town that had racial segregation still going. "Hey don't move there..." isn't a suitable response. It shouldn't be allowed to exist, simply because you can live somewhere else if you want integration.
That's the problem with the metaphor though. When we toss a ball of paper in the bin its not instantly full and overflowing. And when it IS full and over flowing then we empty it.
The metaphor tells us we need to empty the bin when its full.
It should simply be there. We don't need to know if its empty or not. We really only need to be notified visually when its got a lot of crap in it... ie... when its "full".
I have an honest question: How is an author going to be paid for their time writing the books if we allow one person to purchase the book, and then lend it to an infinite number of people at once?
The blindingly obvious answer is that you set the price for the one copy high enough that you only need to sell one.
Now who is going to pay $250,000 or even $25,000 for a novel? A few wealthy patronage types possibly. But there is nothing stopping a bunch of regular joes from throwing a couple bucks into a pool to raise that much money together.
If any of my favorite authors put a book out like that, I'd throw $5 or $10 into the pot to get it "released".
It may be a nice fantasy to the average Slashdotter, but anyone with half a brain would realize it's simply not cost-effective at any scale whatsoever.
This is the company that drove a van down every street on the continent.
There really aren't that many useful domains, and hundreds of them are registered to the same companies or point at the same sites or are parked, reducing the actual scale of relevant sites by an order of magnitude.
Its a big problem, but its not THAT big, and like the map of the continent... its always changing, but most of it still stays the same for long periods of time.
Pretty much... I mean the article boils down to this:
"Look no further than the recent uprising in Egypt. No one was scrawling Google's name on building walls as they did with Twitter Inc. and Facebook . As I wrote last week, even though a Google executive was at the center of the story, it was Facebook and Twitter that got all the attention. Google's lack of social tools was on full display."
So was Nike's and Nintendo's and Sony's and Disney's and Apple's and Groupon's... wait... why the fuck is this relevant?
Secondly, I see the headline News story on CNN is that some American's on a hijacked yacht were killed by pirates, And get this, facebook wasn't even mentioned. I guess facebook is dead. Its social networking tools weren't on display at all here. How can it thrive and survive if even one event that has nothing to do with it doesn't somehow involve it anyway?
what you escribed was called "validation boot" at the old EDS
Understood. But a lot of the issues people have with a "troubleshooting boot" are the same with a "validation boot". -- a lot of admins just don't want to EVER reboot. "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
And a lot of the reasons people have for not doing a "troubleshooting boot" is that they haven't done a validation boot in so long they have no confidence that it will work.
The goal of the prosecutor should not be a conviction at any price, it should be justice, and justice is not serve by selecting dimwits to serve on trial.
Right, but in the case mentioned the intelligent people were eliminated by the defense.
iMacs were a hit. Apple's adoption of USB spurred device manufacturers to support the standard, which led to USB support for PCs
USB support was added to Windows 95 "B".
USB would have taken over as the connector of choice with or without apple. Digital cameras, flash memory sticks (in whopping 8MB and 16MB sizes), game controllers, scanners were all shipping usb before the imac launched...
and there were USB PCI cards for machines that had no native ports.
Also available before the Imac was released.
The imac was notable because it abandoned all legacy connectors including the floppy drive. But I didn't "drive" change.
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I guess it is good that you can actually already do this with a dongle that weighs like an ounce. Cool thing is your whole tablet does not have be bulkier to support the slot when you are only going to use it once a week!
No its is not good. Does anybody LIKE dongles?
A dongle is a clumsy solution.
They are far more prone to break, or break the port they are sticking out of than a built in slot. They are far more likely to not be around when you need it.
They cost far more.
They have to be in your pocket at the ready for them to be useful. An ipad's light sleek design is somewhat negated if I'm have to carry a bag of dongles around to use with it.
And its still pathetic and slow as molasses. A worthless iReview on iLounge was glowing about how it transfered 500MB in 2 minutes and used only 2% of the battery.
My current camera uses an 8GB card. So apparently I need to wait 32 minutes and consume 1/3rd of the battery. And that's assuming there will be room to copy it over, which is not a safe assumption at all.
Surely it would be a lot better if it just let me access it where it was right on the card.
IMHO excluding flash is one of the best features of iOS.
How exactly is "excluding it" superior to "not bundling it, but allowing people to get it if they want it"?
Can you actually name any that are relevant, other than you don't want to pay more for the higher capacity device?
a) I can pull the sd card out of my digital camera and view/share the content on a larger screen. I do that a lot with my laptop. Takes about 5 seconds. What other way for moving 8GB of data from one device to another is there?
Yes, there is a clumsy work around where you copy the multiple gigabytes of data over a usb cable that you have in your pocket at all times... and which can take half an hour or more ... and if your camera's battery is low from taking all those pics...your SOL.
b) I can give a copy of pictures / media / documents to anyone else who has an SD card.
So... you've got 5GB worth of wedding video and photos on your ipad from your brothers wedding, and your sister says... hey can I have a copy ... removable storage to the rescue.
c) A year from now, your idevice is nearing full. removable storage gives you either a trivial way to double or triple your storage... or with a bit more management ... unlimited storage.
d) c-above applies even if you did actually buy the highest capacity device available, and still need more space.
You are in a discussion about the features of a new gadget telling everyone they are idiots for considering it
I said no such thing.
At most I called the original poster an idiot for suggesting that removable storage was some sort of balanced trade off.
And also for obnoxiously suggesting that anyone who wanted to run flash was simply wrong.
Implying that all iDevice users are too dumb to handle a filesystem is irritating.
It was a rhetorical question directed at the original poster to illustrate that I thought his excuse ("file system management") for not supporting removal storage was specious. Nothing more.
If those prices are too high or you don't like their marketing practices or the devices don't do what you need them to do then DO NOT BUY THEM
Any particular reason I shouldn't remark about why I didn't buy them?
I don't get the weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth caused by Apple releases
I don't get the fanboi fawning caused by them either. I think the two balance each other out, and its likely that the anti-reaction is in direct proportion to the fanboi-fawning reaction
My old Nokia had to go back to service twice because of bad battery contacts
Because no one has ever had a problem with the dock connector being exposed to the elements.
Same difference.
You could also come to terms with the fact that many people will have different and valid viewpoints that differ from yours.
I'm not the one who can't acknowledge different viewpoints.
The post I responded to rejected the validity of any viewpoint other than "agreeing that excluding flash was good".
That arrogance is why i responded in the first place.
"Either you agree with Apple, or you are not their customer."
If Apple was losing customers to this you wouldn't be posting.
I don't have an ipad. Not having the option to install the software I want to install at will, including flash is one of the reasons.
If the sort of mentality that invented the Motorola Zoom invented a rifle, it would have interchangeable bolts and barrels for different gauge ammunition, six different selectable firing rates and patterns...
False dichotomy. It doesn't have to be nothing or everything-under-the-sun.
It could simply have an SD card slot. You know, like virtually every other phone, tablet, and laptop on the market. Even Apple's laptops have one.
but we would be constantly reminded that it's only a "1.0" product and that it's really meant for the "power gun user" market instead of for the Joe Sixpack "just-wants-to-shoot" crowd.
Apparently Joe Sixpack just gets to point. Actually shooting would require an opening to put bullets in and steve jobs thought that would be too much.
Pulling an SD card out of my own or a friends digital camera and sticking it into an iPad to view the photos is about as obvious and natural an application as one can imagine. Even my TV has an SD card slot for the same purpose.
You either understand why its exclusion is a good thing or you don't, so there's nothing to add there.
Wow. That's some arrogance. Did you really mean to say: "Either you agree with apple, or you are wrong."
There are certain advantages to having sealed, fixed memory
Can you actually name any that are relevant?
Not having to manipulate a file system isn't one by the way. My car stereo handles CDs, mp3 disks, flash memory, and ipods, and all the complicated file system stuff is completely invisible... I just push the source button. I guess that would be too overwhelming for an iDevice user?
Another example is the Nintendo Wii file system management which a 4 year old has no trouble with.
Meanwhile the multiple advantages of removable storage however are blindingly obvious.
Arguing about the trade-offs of expandable/removable storage its about as idiotic as as arguing about the trade offs of wearing a motorcycle helmet. (In that yes, there are circumstances where not having a helmet on would be advantageous... but the disadvantages thoroughly outweigh any advantages.)
but you're NOT going to see those in iOS products
This same arguments about how you didn't need were made about native application development and multi-tasking...
The main reason there is no expandable memory is that:
a) Steve Job's obsessively hates slots and buttons, and is more than willing to sacrifice function to get form.
b) If you can slide in your own 8GB SD card for $50, why would you pay hundreds of dollars extra for one with extra memory?
Sure, but an illogical worth has been assumed about society.
What exactly is illogical about assigning value to society?
My wife signed up to facebook breifly, "friended" a few friends and family, and within a day or two had old boyfriends and male acquaintances trying to get in touch with her to chat etc... it was vaguely unsettling really. I'm sure some were happily adjusted in their own lives and were just interested in catching up... but it was pretty clear some of them were looking to hook up.
Its pretty easy to see how that can get out of hand.
It even seems to be a likely outcome of joining facebook from what I've seen.
And to rebutt your car analogy -- nothing like that happens you buy a new car. I'll concede that cars are also tools that are used by the unfaithful, but the car doesn't have all your exboyfriends in the backseat when you buy it.
You made me spit coffee out at "awesome keyboard".
At this point, in my opinion a keyboard with the primary keys in the correct places counts as an awesome keyboard.
Laptop Manufacturers take note: Please do not stick an extra key between " and enter. I will not buy a laptop with a slash jammed between quote and enter.
Does anyone like that particular keyboard tweak that is so common on laptop keyboards?
Solve a 10^12345 city TSP problem on current hardware for me, please. It's not possible, since it won't even fit in memory, disregarding problems of the hardware breaking down/the sun exploding before the problem finishes/etc.
Make the problem big enough and even simple problems are infeasible. Calculate the sum of 2 numbers with 10^12345 digits each... can't do that either, but we don't go around calling arithmetic an unsolvable problem.
Your complaint is *really* that Apple has said, "This is our vision for our product, this is what it does, and this is how it works," and that that vision doesn't match how YOU think they should operate.
I don't care how they operate their business. However they *are* blocking how I'd like to operate mine, and how the consumers would like to use the products the consumers own.
If Ford decides to open an accessories store, that's perfectly fine. If they want to dictate what is in the store that's fine too. If they want 30% of revenue for anything they sell, that's fine too. But would we let them dictate that consumers are only allowed to buy Ford accessories from the Ford Store?
Of course not. If I want to sell seat covers for Fords or even replacement seats, I can do that. I don't need Fords permission to sell them. The consumer doesn't need Fords permission to use them. And there is no way in hell Ford could demand 30% of the revenue if we didn't transact through Ford channels.
Only an idiot would argue that "Yes Ford could do that, and if you didn't like it don't buy a ford, start your own car company with your own rules, and your own vision for the product.
No we passed laws requiring the automotive industry to allow 3rd party replacement parts and accessories, and even mandated that they couldn't automatically terminate the warranty simply because the customer took their car to an independent mechanic and/or used 3rd party parts.
Having a "vision for the product" doesn't magically let you trample over the rights of the people who bought it, and the rights of independent companies who wish to transact directly with people who bought the product.
If I buy a Ford and want to install a toaster oven, Ford doesn't get a say in the matter. It doesn't matter if toaster ovens aren't in their vision for the product or not. Period.
It's completely irrelevant that I can buy a different car that does allow toaster ovens. That is still no justification whatsoever that Ford should be allowed to dictate I can't install one in a Ford.
If the product is a non-starter, then why the hell do you get so wound up about it? Ignore it, and let it die off, just like millions of other bad products have in the past.
If we followed that advice when it came to cars, we'd all be obligated to take our car to the dealer for everything and purchase parts and service at monopolistic price levels.
There is no "other store" to buy from in Apple-town, and you know that when you move in. If you want a town with a dozen different stores to shop from, then don't move into a town with only one store.
It bothers me that I am not legally allowed to open a competitor. And that if I some how managed it, the residents of the town would be actively prevented from shopping there.
Now you can say, "Well don't go to that town..." all you like, but I don't think it should even be legal for their to be a town with rules like that.
It would be like finding a town that had racial segregation still going. "Hey don't move there..." isn't a suitable response. It shouldn't be allowed to exist, simply because you can live somewhere else if you want integration.
That's the problem with the metaphor though. When we toss a ball of paper in the bin its not instantly full and overflowing. And when it IS full and over flowing then we empty it.
The metaphor tells us we need to empty the bin when its full.
It should simply be there. We don't need to know if its empty or not. We really only need to be notified visually when its got a lot of crap in it... ie ... when its "full".
I have an honest question: How is an author going to be paid for their time writing the books if we allow one person to purchase the book, and then lend it to an infinite number of people at once?
The blindingly obvious answer is that you set the price for the one copy high enough that you only need to sell one.
Now who is going to pay $250,000 or even $25,000 for a novel? A few wealthy patronage types possibly. But there is nothing stopping a bunch of regular joes from throwing a couple bucks into a pool to raise that much money together.
If any of my favorite authors put a book out like that, I'd throw $5 or $10 into the pot to get it "released".
It may be a nice fantasy to the average Slashdotter, but anyone with half a brain would realize it's simply not cost-effective at any scale whatsoever.
This is the company that drove a van down every street on the continent.
There really aren't that many useful domains, and hundreds of them are registered to the same companies or point at the same sites or are parked, reducing the actual scale of relevant sites by an order of magnitude.
Its a big problem, but its not THAT big, and like the map of the continent ... its always changing, but most of it still stays the same for long periods of time.
Pretty much... I mean the article boils down to this:
"Look no further than the recent uprising in Egypt. No one was scrawling Google's name on building walls as they did with Twitter Inc. and Facebook . As I wrote last week, even though a Google executive was at the center of the story, it was Facebook and Twitter that got all the attention. Google's lack of social tools was on full display."
So was Nike's and Nintendo's and Sony's and Disney's and Apple's and Groupon's ... wait... why the fuck is this relevant?
Secondly, I see the headline News story on CNN is that some American's on a hijacked yacht were killed by pirates, And get this, facebook wasn't even mentioned. I guess facebook is dead. Its social networking tools weren't on display at all here. How can it thrive and survive if even one event that has nothing to do with it doesn't somehow involve it anyway?
There is no solution to that problem.
There are solutions to that problem. A human being can spot a link farm within seconds.
And when seo can produce websites that I can't tell are link farms, good, because that means they'll have the useful information that I want on them.
what you escribed was called "validation boot" at the old EDS
Understood. But a lot of the issues people have with a "troubleshooting boot" are the same with a "validation boot". -- a lot of admins just don't want to EVER reboot. "if it ain't broke, don't fix it."
And a lot of the reasons people have for not doing a "troubleshooting boot" is that they haven't done a validation boot in so long they have no confidence that it will work.
The goal of the prosecutor should not be a conviction at any price, it should be justice, and justice is not serve by selecting dimwits to serve on trial.
Right, but in the case mentioned the intelligent people were eliminated by the defense.
I am not "angry".
And even then I wasn't upset about them adopting usb, i was annoyed they dropped everything else, when it was still widely in use.
iMacs were a hit. Apple's adoption of USB spurred device manufacturers to support the standard, which led to USB support for PCs
USB support was added to Windows 95 "B".
USB would have taken over as the connector of choice with or without apple. Digital cameras, flash memory sticks (in whopping 8MB and 16MB sizes), game controllers, scanners were all shipping usb before the imac launched...
and there were USB PCI cards for machines that had no native ports.
Also available before the Imac was released.
The imac was notable because it abandoned all legacy connectors including the floppy drive. But I didn't "drive" change.