I sort of see it as the opposite... semantic whitespace teaches mostly good habits, its just fucking irritating to maintain, and to work with snippets and code fragments etc.
But its highly readable, and pretty straightforward, and i don't see anything wrong with it as a beginning/educational language; for teaching flow control, algorithms, structured/modular programming, and so on.
"Or any of the games in my library, which all appear to be C or C++, with a few C#."
From what I've seen a lot of the core engine stuff is C/C++; but a lot of the UI, AI, and "mod support" stuff is commonly done in Python and Lua.
Personally, I disagree with semantic whitespace so I don't like python. (I think its the editors job to handle pretty formatting to reflect the structure, rather than the programmers job to define structure with pretty formatting.) But I can see why python would be a good learning language / educational language.
Yeah, I think there's more to it. And its interesting, because there are definitely people with a so-called 'syndrome' where no matter what they legitimately achieve they still feel like they really haven't.
But there's also lot of people who have really achieved things, completed projects, delivered code, configured a firewall, setup a windows domain, managed a company's backups, performed a security audit, etc who *correctly* know that they they did a shitty job, know that they're just lucky it didn't explode in their face, and are legitimately right to believe that somebody competent would be aghast at what they've done.
That's not "impostor-syndrome"... that's a bona fide imposter.:)
For what its worth, I've done stuff like that, I think we all have... I try to be upfront about things I've done where I know its not right, or where i know it hasn't been tested sufficiently, etc.But there's likely people out there who think I did something competently that I know was just hacked together for whatever reason -- usually do to a combination of a lack of knowledge somewhere, and a lack of time to get the knowledge.
Anyway it sounds like this poll doesn't really differentiate between actual imposters and so-called imposter-syndrome.
I'm not sure i follow your argument, the fact that he's muslim is almost tangential; 19 year old male, no job, lots of passports stamps from Syria and Yemen -- sticks up as someone to investigate all by itself.
And THAT is pretty much the entire argument against profiling on religion. Merely being muslim should be a non-issue.
When you added on all the rest of the stuff it becomes more of interest, but that's not targeting muslims... that's proper profiling sure... maybe he's part of some missionary-building-schools-digging-wells project or assisting doctors without borders or god forbid he's visiting his grandmother so even then one shouldn't jump to conclusions. But yeah, of course that's the person you'd want to look into more... but it's the other stuff, not because he's muslim.
I've gotten that line several times now. I see two approaches:
1) Rate it one star with a comment that:
I was perfectly happy right up until I had to take this piece-of-shit survey, and was told that not taking it would reflect badly on the employee. I have far more important things to do with my time than spending it rating every last bit of interaction I have with your company. Don't worry, if you fuck up: I'll let you know. Guess what: YOU JUST FUCKED UP. The ball is in your court now, fix it.
Thanks to rating inflation, one stars are uncommon enough that management DOES actually often look at them. And if some guy or gal gets fired over a 1 star review that says the above, really... in the long run you are doing them a favor -- they deserve a better employer.
2) Refuse to take the survey, ask to speak to the appropriate management directly, and then explain the above to them, in person.
Yeah, when I wrote that quip, it was just a disclaimer to my argument, but i reflected on it afterwards and it's true. Nice bathrooms really are a valuable perk, clean, the toilet paper you mentioned, even the location.
I was at a small retail store the other day, and the bathroom was right off the main showroom with a thin 'closet door'; and all but the slightest sound made inside would be heard by everyone in the showroom. Some homes are like that too... just bad floor plans.
"Head/eye tracking and scenery distances over 50 feet would probably substitute acceptable depth perception cues."
Maybe as long as nobody else is ever in the same room.:p
I'm sure its been done too... as an art exhibit or some overwrought corporate display of wealth somewhere. But is it really practical or effective? I doubt it... the trees outside my window are really right there. I can go outside and look at them. They aren't fictional, nor a long dead recording of something that used to be, nor even images piped in live from somewhere else far removed. They are really and truly there.
I think mentally / psychologically that means something -- there is an inherent truth to the view from a window. And a sense of place, "i am here, and the trees are here."
A projected image, even if perfect would still be fake.
Paycheck isn't a perk its contractual. Health care, likewise is often considered to be part of the compensation package.
Bathrooms in the first world can generally be assumed to be mandated by law/building codes/ required for business licenses to be granted etc, and are ubiquitous enough that they can be assumed if you work in a building. If you don't work inside though, then bathrooms are often a challenge.
A *nice* bathroom might well be a valuable perk though.
FWIW, I agree with the article, my own home office windows overlook a greenspace -- to be able to just look out at trees gently waving in the breeze is something i truly value. It's a big part of why i chose the place.
I mean, its really GOOD that ubuntu wants to test it themselves. But I'm not sure why disabling it until you can test it is more sensible than leaving it enabled until you can test it.
"In the past it may have been photos or magazines. Today its an SD card."
Sometimes we can apply rules written 100 years ago to life today just fine, and sometimes we need to make adjustments to reflect new realities. This is the latter.
The current reality is that people now routinely and effortlessly transport private data with them across the border when they travel, data that in previous eras would invariably have been easier to leave at home in filing cabinets and in boxes in closets, and it would rarely have ever crossed a border.
Today it would be more effort for most people NOT to have it with them, but their expectation that it still be treated with same level of privacy as if they'd left it at home in a box in the closet remains.
And policy and law should reflect that expectation. You do believe that right? That it is a government of the people, by the people, for the people... those are not just words. We should not be victims of the law-as-written, the law should reflect what we collectively want.
"The fact that there are other countries that allow things that the US bans (pot, sex with minors)"
They are welcome to search my bags for tusks, pot and minors.
"Say you have sex with a 12 year old boy and record (admit it, you filthy sexpat pedophile)."
So your entire argument boils down to this being your best chance of caching sex-tourists? really? sex-tourism is kind of a serious issue. how much sex-tourism is successfully detected this way?
pretty much zero.
instead its mostly done by good old fashioned police work cooperating with foreign police, and undercover agents working in foreign locales, identifying suspects and alerting ICE to aprehend them on re-entry, where they'll be subject to arrest... and search... because: warrants.
" On the other hand, we have the clear need to secure the border, which requires some level of inspection of persons and the things they are carrying. "
There is simply nothing on the phone that could be illegal enough to warrant seizure like this though; in the sense that border control should be concerned about it.
It's ones and zeroes. It's not produce or livestock that might need to be quarantined, its not radioactive or a bomb. Its not goods which need customs, duties or tarrifs levied.
Yes, it might contain terrorist plots, or child porn, or something bad; but that's true of every single phone in the country -- if there is a legitimate suspicion of that, just like for everyone else -- get a damned warrant, and by all means arrest and search. They've got all the airline reservation data so there are hours of lead time before any actual suspect arrives at the airport.
Beyond that, it's simply not something that really needs to be the concern of customs and border patrol, with carte blanche authority to confiscate, copy, or rummage through. Especially given that ANYTHING that can be smuggled in as a data on a smart phone can be trivially transmitted accross the border completely encrypted via the internet, terrestrial radio, satellite, flashes of light from a boat in international waters, stenography in cat videos on youtube.
This incident has nothing to do with net neutrality, and even the spokesman for the fire department essentially acknowledged that; from my reading of his statement.
Proponents of net neutrality however, are using this incident as a "character witness" on Verizon; to highlight that ISPs like Verizon absolutely cannot be trusted to act in the best interests of the public, even in an emergency. And therefore regulatory oversight, and rules like net neutrality are essential to ensuring the public interest is met.
pro gamers vs vets at call of duty is pretty meaningless. Sure the teamwork, strategy, and squad tactics generally translate, but the game world of call of duty is still going to heavily favor experienced gamers. Everything from how the guns work to how to land a grendade where you want it to injury mechanics & hit boxes, cover, crouching/prone, etc are all going to give an advantage to the people who spent hundreds of hours playing soldier in that 'world'.
the followup video is equally dumb; for the same reasons. lining up a reticule and pressing the mouse button is no substitute for actual experience actually firing actual firearms. Sure some of the theory will translate, and well rounded game experience will at least give you some foreknowledge that recoil is a thing; and that multiple successive shots are going to be inaccurate, that breath control matters, that bullet drop is a thing, etc... how much value this gives you in the real world i couldn't say.
Probably not a lot. Lol, I know the very first time i fired a pistol i was shooting into the ground because i wasn't using the sights properly... i was holding it angled down just enough that the front sight wasn't in view, and i didn't even realize it was missing... and i was just lining up the target between the rear sights. That issue never came up in a game.
Thanks for that. From some of the reading I've done since last night; yeah, 'sharing the GPU between host and guest' would be extremely desirable.
Straight passthru would be pretty unpleasant. With the guest and host using different monitors (or switching between mutliple inputs on the same monitor. To me that's not much functionally better than running two computers and a kvm switch. (although it is cheaper of course than 2 PCs.)
No, I'd definitely want the usual guest interface where I can run the guest in a window on the host (with reasonable performance), the usual desktop integration stuff (copy/paste support), mouse integration, with the option to switch the guest to full screen; and ideally at least when the guest is maximized that I'm getting solid enough performance to game on it.
If I can't do that, I'm better of leaving it as-is for now. While many of the games I like are linux friendly; several are still windows only; and even the crossplatform ones often run better on windows... or so I've heard.
So... yeah, for me, gpu sharing sounds like the path forward if i can get it working.
For the other devices, the virtual devices may work well... or not. For example, i've got a mechanical logitech gaming keyboard and wireless mouse with the charging matt... i guess all that has to work well with the linux host, which it may or may not... i see LogiGSK on github; and then there is a question of how that gets exposed to the guest.
For audio im used to voice/mic going to the headset, while game audio goes through the speakers. As long as the VM sees those virtual audio devices and it doesn't introduce lag or echo etc it should be ok.
I'm actually really interested in giving this a go. I'm currently running Windows, with linux in virtualization, and it works very well.
But I'd love to turn it inside out. I'm not sure where to start. What linux virtualization solution would you recommend for hosting Win10 + games with gpu virtualization?
You say its 'good enough' to run AAA games. What sort of performance hit am I really facing? Do some games "just-not-work" What sort of stability loss am i looking at?
I've got an i7 and a gtx1080, if that's a factor.
What's the situation with multi-monitor support with something like this? And peripheral pass through? (usb headsets, usb controllers).
If you can point me at a current resource that covers the setup and configuration and pitfall; that would be terrific.
And the only take aways anyone with half a brain would have are:
a) a space based weapons platform would be a sitting duck.
b) the orbital debris from any sustained orbital conflict will make earths orbit completely inhospitable for decades. A bit of scrap the size of a pencil eraser moving at 8 km/s is going to do a number on anything in its way.
You can't "dominate" orbital space the way you can dominate air or land. All you can do is render it completely inhospitable for everyone.
And we can properly call that out when it happens. But right now, doing it as a separate and optional extension that is not enabled by default is about as reasonable as it gets.
"Allowing internet access to convicted criminals is NEVER a good idea!"
A felony DUI (for example, injuring a passenger while drunk driving, or prior DUI convictions, or their being kids in the car) will easily get you jail time, and deservedly so.
But there is no threat to society in him having access to the internet while serving time.
One thing i like about google maps vs OSM, is the satellite/aerial imagery. OSM doesn't have it.
Especially when trying to get to a particular place in a park at the beach, or industrial park or shopping center or condo complex or resort etc... often the maps just show the 'lot'. But nobody has filled in all the little details... the buildings, structures, parking lots, pools, fences, water fountains, flower beds, large rocks, gravel area, tennis courts, whatever.
Yeah, much of that could be on the map. But its often not, and landmarks like a little grove of trees or a flower bed, or a water fountain, or an exposed rock... the photo just gives more detail.
Likewise, street-view -- sometimes looking at complex highway connections where there's 4 or 5 highways all meeting; sure the map shows all the exits and ramps and stuff, but its often helpful to see it as an areial photo or street view -- you can see the actual lane markings, dividers, merges, as well as get a better sense of what it's going to look like with the layers of under passes and over passes so you get a better idea of what lane and what rampts you need and what it looks like as you approach. A map... is sometimes just too abstract to be clear enough.
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'bad habits' ? what sort do you think?
I sort of see it as the opposite... semantic whitespace teaches mostly good habits, its just fucking irritating to maintain, and to work with snippets and code fragments etc.
But its highly readable, and pretty straightforward, and i don't see anything wrong with it as a beginning/educational language; for teaching flow control, algorithms, structured/modular programming, and so on.
"Or any of the games in my library, which all appear to be C or C++, with a few C#."
From what I've seen a lot of the core engine stuff is C/C++; but a lot of the UI, AI, and "mod support" stuff is commonly done in Python and Lua.
Personally, I disagree with semantic whitespace so I don't like python. (I think its the editors job to handle pretty formatting to reflect the structure, rather than the programmers job to define structure with pretty formatting.) But I can see why python would be a good learning language / educational language.
Heh, true dat. What's that called "Competency-Syndrome" ? Where no matter how useless and incompetent you are you think your doing a great job. :)
Yeah, I think there's more to it. And its interesting, because there are definitely people with a so-called 'syndrome' where no matter what they legitimately achieve they still feel like they really haven't.
But there's also lot of people who have really achieved things, completed projects, delivered code, configured a firewall, setup a windows domain, managed a company's backups, performed a security audit, etc who *correctly* know that they they did a shitty job, know that they're just lucky it didn't explode in their face, and are legitimately right to believe that somebody competent would be aghast at what they've done.
That's not "impostor-syndrome"... that's a bona fide imposter. :)
For what its worth, I've done stuff like that, I think we all have ... I try to be upfront about things I've done where I know its not right, or where i know it hasn't been tested sufficiently, etc.But there's likely people out there who think I did something competently that I know was just hacked together for whatever reason -- usually do to a combination of a lack of knowledge somewhere, and a lack of time to get the knowledge.
Anyway it sounds like this poll doesn't really differentiate between actual imposters and so-called imposter-syndrome.
I'm not sure i follow your argument, the fact that he's muslim is almost tangential; 19 year old male, no job, lots of passports stamps from Syria and Yemen -- sticks up as someone to investigate all by itself.
And THAT is pretty much the entire argument against profiling on religion. Merely being muslim should be a non-issue.
When you added on all the rest of the stuff it becomes more of interest, but that's not targeting muslims... that's proper profiling sure ... maybe he's part of some missionary-building-schools-digging-wells project or assisting doctors without borders or god forbid he's visiting his grandmother so even then one shouldn't jump to conclusions. But yeah, of course that's the person you'd want to look into more... but it's the other stuff, not because he's muslim.
FWIW the 80 year old Swedish nun would be a good drug mule.
https://www.cnn.com/2013/05/08...
I've gotten that line several times now. I see two approaches:
1) Rate it one star with a comment that:
I was perfectly happy right up until I had to take this piece-of-shit survey, and was told that not taking it would reflect badly on the employee. I have far more important things to do with my time than spending it rating every last bit of interaction I have with your company. Don't worry, if you fuck up: I'll let you know. Guess what: YOU JUST FUCKED UP. The ball is in your court now, fix it.
Thanks to rating inflation, one stars are uncommon enough that management DOES actually often look at them. And if some guy or gal gets fired over a 1 star review that says the above, really... in the long run you are doing them a favor -- they deserve a better employer.
2) Refuse to take the survey, ask to speak to the appropriate management directly, and then explain the above to them, in person.
Yeah, when I wrote that quip, it was just a disclaimer to my argument, but i reflected on it afterwards and it's true. Nice bathrooms really are a valuable perk, clean, the toilet paper you mentioned, even the location.
I was at a small retail store the other day, and the bathroom was right off the main showroom with a thin 'closet door'; and all but the slightest sound made inside would be heard by everyone in the showroom. Some homes are like that too... just bad floor plans.
"Head/eye tracking and scenery distances over 50 feet would probably substitute acceptable depth perception cues."
Maybe as long as nobody else is ever in the same room. :p
I'm sure its been done too... as an art exhibit or some overwrought corporate display of wealth somewhere. But is it really practical or effective? I doubt it... the trees outside my window are really right there. I can go outside and look at them. They aren't fictional, nor a long dead recording of something that used to be, nor even images piped in live from somewhere else far removed. They are really and truly there.
I think mentally / psychologically that means something -- there is an inherent truth to the view from a window. And a sense of place, "i am here, and the trees are here."
A projected image, even if perfect would still be fake.
Paycheck isn't a perk its contractual. Health care, likewise is often considered to be part of the compensation package.
Bathrooms in the first world can generally be assumed to be mandated by law/building codes/ required for business licenses to be granted etc, and are ubiquitous enough that they can be assumed if you work in a building. If you don't work inside though, then bathrooms are often a challenge.
A *nice* bathroom might well be a valuable perk though.
FWIW, I agree with the article, my own home office windows overlook a greenspace -- to be able to just look out at trees gently waving in the breeze is something i truly value. It's a big part of why i chose the place.
I mean, its really GOOD that ubuntu wants to test it themselves. But I'm not sure why disabling it until you can test it is more sensible than leaving it enabled until you can test it.
Given we *know* that its vulnerable without it.
"In the past it may have been photos or magazines. Today its an SD card."
Sometimes we can apply rules written 100 years ago to life today just fine, and sometimes we need to make adjustments to reflect new realities. This is the latter.
The current reality is that people now routinely and effortlessly transport private data with them across the border when they travel, data that in previous eras would invariably have been easier to leave at home in filing cabinets and in boxes in closets, and it would rarely have ever crossed a border.
Today it would be more effort for most people NOT to have it with them, but their expectation that it still be treated with same level of privacy as if they'd left it at home in a box in the closet remains.
And policy and law should reflect that expectation. You do believe that right? That it is a government of the people, by the people, for the people... those are not just words. We should not be victims of the law-as-written, the law should reflect what we collectively want.
"The fact that there are other countries that allow things that the US bans (pot, sex with minors)"
They are welcome to search my bags for tusks, pot and minors.
"Say you have sex with a 12 year old boy and record (admit it, you filthy sexpat pedophile)."
So your entire argument boils down to this being your best chance of caching sex-tourists? really? sex-tourism is kind of a serious issue. how much sex-tourism is successfully detected this way?
pretty much zero.
instead its mostly done by good old fashioned police work cooperating with foreign police, and undercover agents working in foreign locales, identifying suspects and alerting ICE to aprehend them on re-entry, where they'll be subject to arrest... and search... because: warrants.
" On the other hand, we have the clear need to secure the border, which requires some level of inspection of persons and the things they are carrying. "
There is simply nothing on the phone that could be illegal enough to warrant seizure like this though; in the sense that border control should be concerned about it.
It's ones and zeroes. It's not produce or livestock that might need to be quarantined, its not radioactive or a bomb. Its not goods which need customs, duties or tarrifs levied.
Yes, it might contain terrorist plots, or child porn, or something bad; but that's true of every single phone in the country -- if there is a legitimate suspicion of that, just like for everyone else -- get a damned warrant, and by all means arrest and search. They've got all the airline reservation data so there are hours of lead time before any actual suspect arrives at the airport.
Beyond that, it's simply not something that really needs to be the concern of customs and border patrol, with carte blanche authority to confiscate, copy, or rummage through. Especially given that ANYTHING that can be smuggled in as a data on a smart phone can be trivially transmitted accross the border completely encrypted via the internet, terrestrial radio, satellite, flashes of light from a boat in international waters, stenography in cat videos on youtube.
This incident has nothing to do with net neutrality, and even the spokesman for the fire department essentially acknowledged that; from my reading of his statement.
Proponents of net neutrality however, are using this incident as a "character witness" on Verizon; to highlight that ISPs like Verizon absolutely cannot be trusted to act in the best interests of the public, even in an emergency. And therefore regulatory oversight, and rules like net neutrality are essential to ensuring the public interest is met.
pro gamers vs vets at call of duty is pretty meaningless. Sure the teamwork, strategy, and squad tactics generally translate, but the game world of call of duty is still going to heavily favor experienced gamers. Everything from how the guns work to how to land a grendade where you want it to injury mechanics & hit boxes, cover, crouching/prone, etc are all going to give an advantage to the people who spent hundreds of hours playing soldier in that 'world'.
the followup video is equally dumb; for the same reasons. lining up a reticule and pressing the mouse button is no substitute for actual experience actually firing actual firearms. Sure some of the theory will translate, and well rounded game experience will at least give you some foreknowledge that recoil is a thing; and that multiple successive shots are going to be inaccurate, that breath control matters, that bullet drop is a thing, etc... how much value this gives you in the real world i couldn't say.
Probably not a lot. Lol, I know the very first time i fired a pistol i was shooting into the ground because i wasn't using the sights properly... i was holding it angled down just enough that the front sight wasn't in view, and i didn't even realize it was missing... and i was just lining up the target between the rear sights. That issue never came up in a game.
Thanks for that. From some of the reading I've done since last night; yeah, 'sharing the GPU between host and guest' would be extremely desirable.
Straight passthru would be pretty unpleasant. With the guest and host using different monitors (or switching between mutliple inputs on the same monitor. To me that's not much functionally better than running two computers and a kvm switch. (although it is cheaper of course than 2 PCs.)
No, I'd definitely want the usual guest interface where I can run the guest in a window on the host (with reasonable performance), the usual desktop integration stuff (copy/paste support), mouse integration, with the option to switch the guest to full screen; and ideally at least when the guest is maximized that I'm getting solid enough performance to game on it.
If I can't do that, I'm better of leaving it as-is for now. While many of the games I like are linux friendly; several are still windows only; and even the crossplatform ones often run better on windows... or so I've heard.
So... yeah, for me, gpu sharing sounds like the path forward if i can get it working.
For the other devices, the virtual devices may work well... or not. For example, i've got a mechanical logitech gaming keyboard and wireless mouse with the charging matt ... i guess all that has to work well with the linux host, which it may or may not... i see LogiGSK on github; and then there is a question of how that gets exposed to the guest.
For audio im used to voice/mic going to the headset, while game audio goes through the speakers. As long as the VM sees those virtual audio devices and it doesn't introduce lag or echo etc it should be ok.
I'm actually really interested in giving this a go. I'm currently running Windows, with linux in virtualization, and it works very well.
But I'd love to turn it inside out. I'm not sure where to start. What linux virtualization solution would you recommend for hosting Win10 + games with gpu virtualization?
You say its 'good enough' to run AAA games. What sort of performance hit am I really facing? Do some games "just-not-work" What sort of stability loss am i looking at?
I've got an i7 and a gtx1080, if that's a factor.
What's the situation with multi-monitor support with something like this? And peripheral pass through? (usb headsets, usb controllers).
If you can point me at a current resource that covers the setup and configuration and pitfall; that would be terrific.
Even if 8 in 10 were started by people?
https://www.npr.org/sections/t...
Surely that alters the calculus a little?
It's worse than that. China has already demonstrated they can and will shoot down an orbiting satellite.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
And the only take aways anyone with half a brain would have are:
a) a space based weapons platform would be a sitting duck.
b) the orbital debris from any sustained orbital conflict will make earths orbit completely inhospitable for decades. A bit of scrap the size of a pencil eraser moving at 8 km/s is going to do a number on anything in its way.
You can't "dominate" orbital space the way you can dominate air or land. All you can do is render it completely inhospitable for everyone.
"You could argue that those who are very rich (those at the very, very top) are typically Jews. And that's not entirely false."
Yes, its entirely false.
And we can properly call that out when it happens. But right now, doing it as a separate and optional extension that is not enabled by default is about as reasonable as it gets.
What do you think their previous business model was?
How was "Take money from google to make it the default search engine" any different?
If I had to guess I would expect Laserlike is paying for this, and is paying Mozilla to develop and promote it.
And that's fine.
It's an extension.
And it's pretty clearly disclosed what it does.
It's not something I would ever want; but its the right way to do it, and really its how pocket should have been done too.
"Allowing internet access to convicted criminals is NEVER a good idea!"
A felony DUI (for example, injuring a passenger while drunk driving, or prior DUI convictions, or their being kids in the car) will easily get you jail time, and deservedly so.
But there is no threat to society in him having access to the internet while serving time.
One thing i like about google maps vs OSM, is the satellite/aerial imagery. OSM doesn't have it.
Especially when trying to get to a particular place in a park at the beach, or industrial park or shopping center or condo complex or resort etc... often the maps just show the 'lot'. But nobody has filled in all the little details... the buildings, structures, parking lots, pools, fences, water fountains, flower beds, large rocks, gravel area, tennis courts, whatever.
Yeah, much of that could be on the map. But its often not, and landmarks like a little grove of trees or a flower bed, or a water fountain, or an exposed rock... the photo just gives more detail.
Likewise, street-view -- sometimes looking at complex highway connections where there's 4 or 5 highways all meeting; sure the map shows all the exits and ramps and stuff, but its often helpful to see it as an areial photo or street view -- you can see the actual lane markings, dividers, merges, as well as get a better sense of what it's going to look like with the layers of under passes and over passes so you get a better idea of what lane and what rampts you need and what it looks like as you approach. A map... is sometimes just too abstract to be clear enough.
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