I will just interject that SQL Server is one of the products that restored some of my confidence in Microsoft. It is easy and Robust. Granted, Oracle is always one step ahead with funtionality, but as a DBA coming to SQLServer form Oracle on Linux, I will have to say it impressed me. I did not find any of the things you mentioned to be a problem. Let's face it...coding is coding and every language seems to have its differences. T-SQL and PL-SQL aren't that far off from what I found. The ease of management from a DBA perspective to me (as a self-taught, very inexperienced DBA...so save the wise cracks...I managed an Oracle install on Redhat 8 so I cant be that bad off) was by far in the SQLServer2000 corner. I also (as someone else mentioned) did not remember an SQL Server 2003. SQL Server is probably NOT the product to bash Microsoft about when it comes to functionality.
Now for the other stuff, go ahead and sling some mud...
"Things like HTML, Javascript, and SQL are like English, but then again, they're basic."
Not to give you a hard time, but don't write these off because they are perceived to be simple. There are many, many hours that should be dedicated to learning how to use all of these 'basic' skills properly. If you want to be good at coding, the best way to differentiate yourself from others is write good code. That means knowing which javascript works across browsers, safe and efficient ways to write the same SQL (or even better stored procs, triggers and functions), and proper CSS used with HTML.
And, if your into web-based technologies like those, it wouldnt hurt to check into some XML with XSL Transformations (XSLT).
But if its just the basics, I would also revert back to C and C++ like others have recommended.
Java is pretty neat also, and may or may not be easier then C for you. It was not for me, but I was taught C first.
So, if I am Google and get succesfully sued for this, I am so copying Amazon and other storefronts who have the "Others who typed this search were also interested in these terms" result set on the side. This is really the doing of the masses that use Google and shouldn't be changed in my opinion. If there is so much info out there about '[software co] + crack' then I agreee with aother posters who said it is [software co]'s problem. I think I would find the suggestions useful sometimes.
will not be solved by RFID. I don't even understand where someone would get that idea. You'd be crazy to rely on that. ...Ummm why won't RFID be able to handle these tasks? A new Infinity M class allows the doors to open whenever the key is within a certain proximity...allowing the car to be started with a button...its not that far of a stretch to move this into an RFID tag...
If what you meant to say was none of that is possible *today* then you might be on to something.
OK, I concede the point there, you are correct in the general sense. However, this is less and less true as time goes on. People like us (I assume you like some other flavor of OS at some level based on your postings, lol) are changing the landscape which makes the Microsoft 'monopoly' of yesteryear so much less feared. To get back on track...as a consumer I am not threatened by the MS search on IE7 toobar and don't feel Google should be either. It's just an opinion from an open source advocate who sees a struggleing Microsoft changing its ways in recent years.
Ummmm...sure. Perhaps you might want to look up 'monopoly' in the dictionary. With all the varients of linux available, MS is not the only option. My cable company...who has exclusive rights to my area with no competition...thats a monopoly.
BTW, I have better things to do than read the lawsuit. I know when my rights are being abused, and a friggin MSN toolbar search in an Internet Explorer browser (that I will open only to test cross browser compliance for web design anyway) is not that...
I'm just not a big fan of letting the courts decide who wins. Microsoft is only your deemed 'monopoly' because the general public have taken to them so well and a few people cant deal with it. They may have exploited that a little by not cooperating with software compatibility, but the fact stands that most companies are whining about it when they can be doing other things. And I dont really blame MS for taking advantage. It's a business world. All is fair there. Doesn't Mozilla come with a Google toolbar? I know my copy did. Isn't that the same issue? and...can't you download Mozilla onto a Windows box? So, why is this a problem? If I make a GM car, I'll be damned if Im gonna put a Ford satellite system in it becasue OnStar is proprietary. So, think whatever you want, but I have my opinion. It's not a legitimate grievance. Google has a good thing going, but they have lost a little of my respect on this one.
You may call it two markets, but its a computer with an OS that accesses the internet. If you access the internet through their browser and they provide you a link to their search...well then tough if you cant take it. Download something else, or stop crying. If they prevented the 'something else' from working, then I see an issue...maybe...
Not the biggest fan of Microsoft, but....c'mon Google: Quit whining like a little pansy. IE is a Microsoft product, so it should be able to put whatever search it wants on there. Personally, I will simply set my homepage to google like I always do. Not becasue the search bar isn't handy, but because the page loads quickly.
Things is, Google made a good thing by keeping their page simple, and I use for this reason (well, and it works). I will not 'not' use it because the toolbar has an MS search on it.
Go back to the comment of 'How much of a non-story' is this....and let it sink in.
Just to interject something humorous on that note. When I worked FAA, we had a Sun box running RedHat....had too much trouble installing Oracle on Solaris. Although it was done to reach a deadline because we had more familiarity with the Linux distro at the time and not intentionally a kick. I think its just funny now.
on a serious note, though we were running Linux everywhere without a formal Enterprise solution in place,...just to get things done...and a lot of our IS dev was done on MySql...then migrated of course (no choice in that).
It takes a genius to figure out that statistical analysis of clock management. Different times mean different commutes? I can save time by leaving earlier or later then the rest of the pack? I figured this same thing out when I overslept one day, but I didn't think I needed to analyze this strange phenomenon. I simply realized that I was late and my boss (if he actually looked that day) would sigh to himself and say...damn techies are always coming in late. In fact, after doing this same thing a few more days, I realized I like to sleep in and that I could shift my work schedule to a more technical 10am to 7pm and totally miss the commute. At this time I had plenty of free time to SLEEP longer, and SKIP the daylight after a normal workday ends at 5 pm (when everyone else was at the gym, HH or some other clever location....read...not work). The thing is, I always knew how long it took to commute because I was able to look at that handy device called a clock on the way in....what a worthless study. Its like the Geico ad for commuters. I left late today, but good news...."I just saved 10 minutes on my commute."
I like to call this my laptop in heat syndrome...where I am near a bunch of wireless networks that aren't my own, and my chipset keeps letting me know about it.
Now my cell-phone will have this also, only I know that 'Can you hear me now' doesn't want me to switch off their network willingly, so can I expect to be bombarded with a bunch of barely audible dings alerting me to the existence of a number of wireless networks that might authenticate me or not? I wonder what happens to my call then.
"But U.S. carriers were tightlipped about when they might roll out the service and at what price, despite Nokia and Samsung representatives saying they would start selling functioning handsets in the country this year."
Yeah, I can interpret the word tightlipped for you well enough,...its kind of like "Trust me" in big city speak.
Just remember the next time you download a video that it was probably the internet porn industry that has a big hand in making that technology available to the masses...
Without porn the internet would not be where it is today.
...but Al Gore might still take the credit for it.
sorry..., I had to throw that last part in there somewhere.
"...should have spent the $99 on a Snapper, instead..."
I'm not giving you a hard time or anything, but I happen to be one of the folks who actually read the Fast Company article when it came to my mailbox a few months back, and I though you would find it interesting that the reason they wouldn't sell to Walmart was because their happy getting something like $500.00 for their mowers at the mom and pop shops.
$500!!
"What if there was alternative for Microsoft Word that would install and open in 6 seconds"
-Initially
Ummm...didn't work for me. It hung on the initial open screen with a logo. I was all pumped up to see a better than Microsoft Web app, especially because of all the "I cannot copy from Word without all this extra gibberish appearing" comments about most Web Based editors (any web developer has been there at least once). OK, so the slashdot slowed down the server I guess, or my Firefox isn't up to date and there is no check, but it still didn't load a second time.
-Couple minutes have gone by lets write a slashdot post
I hope you work Ajax Write, but I have a feeling from viewing the other comments that this one is a little bit on the hype lenient side of things.
-A few more minutes have gone by
We all want to compete with Microsoft, but there's a reason that a few of the founders are on the rich list. Their stuff works well enough to impress the uneducated and the educated alike. Rolling out something that crashes on the first check doesn't help the scenario either. I don't know the exact statistic, but I'm sure its less than a 50% return rate for a non-working website.
-another minute...while typing on post--I notice a strange thing...IT LOADED!
I type some stuff, open word make a crazy formatted speech and paste it in. It works as planned. Looks nice, and seems quick enough. It looks as though it did in word.
My network wouldn't let me save it anywhere...that's not AjaxWrites fault, just the network Gestapo.
One last test...lets paste it in another online editor and see if there is formatting. Didn't seem to break the editor, but I would have to test this further.
Good idea, looks ok at first glance. This Ajax Write may be something of note. I might use it sometime when I am away from my laptop. especially since the files can be saved and opened as word.
--ok now I need to paste this posting into Word to spellcheck it before submitting...
I agree with a wireless alternative to fiber. Why not? Its time for progress anyway. However, remember the FCC has control over the airwaves also, so they will most likely aim to shut down such an alternative solution to their regulatory practices. What are we supposed to do in a Catch-22 situation like this? I just find it interesting that every industry that has little government regulation over it seems to boom. Once the regulation starts the industry seems to falter. The internet technologies, albeit developed by the governent, have evolved so rapidly that it has been hard to regulate, and look at how much that has done for the economy (despite the bubble a few years back).
Nearly one in eight did not even bother to check out a route they were unfamiliar with and simply relied on the technology to get them to their destination.
Isn't that supposed to be the point fo a nav system anyway? I might have a map for a backup, but with the cost of these things, I'd like to think that they had better work. For those of you who have pre-planned (meaning you hopped on Google Maps or Mapquest first), how many times has that led you to the proper spot? I took directions to a car lot off of MapQuest and arrived at the back of the holding lot, seperated from the,main entrance by barbed wire fencing, and located on a dirt pot hole infested street. I thought it was funny, though, becasue I DID arrive at my destination.
The point is that technology has some issues, but its still better off than the alternative, which seems to be that I am supposed to verify each and every point on a route before the trip according to that comment. I'd rather have a small snag in a few trips among many and enjoy the benefits of the 99 out of a 100 times that the Nav system worked.
Dude, slow down on the mud slinging. I am glad you have ultimate knowledge of filesystems. Actually, I don't even program in an Object Oriented environment (on a daily basis), and could use many of the file storage and retrieval systems that were recommended for myself in my day job environment where copy/paste is our mantra (mostly HTML and server-side scripting). Perhaps this is why I was reading this post. Still, I do know that if you create something in an OO environment, you can re-use it. Its simple and square one for most CS students (right after logic and variables). I still stand by my post. Think about Object Oriented design...possible using UML and the Unified Process (although the process matters little here). You pull your classes or objects out of the Use Case, code them up and move on. They are like little black boxes. Once they do a trick, thy can repetitively do that trick. In fact, they can do that trick in my file library or yours. So, maybe its not organization as much as re-usability concepts this poster is looking for. Which is why I thought OOP practices are a good idea. As with all things, it is a concept and not a product that will solve the problem.... Anyway from the post:"I'm not really sure how I should organize things, how the code should be stored, how it should be implemented, etc. I think this is what people mean when they talk about libraries and/or APIs, but not really sure. I'm specifically curious about PHP and JavaScript, but advice for other programming languages is also helpful! How do you store and maintain your most frequently used code?"...I think we are both right, and its a mater of interpretation. Personally I think the original poster would be better off using both concepts because PHP has really object oreiented based in version 5 and Javascript can be organized into libraries...yet basic file storing techniques are necessary for storing your built code. Take either of these without the concept of the other, and it is like building sort functions without the idea of recursion....very labor intensive. You might have them all organized nicely, but you will have many that do a similar function...yet just slightly different. Thinking re-use will get you further than simply good organizational skills.
The whole basis of OOP is re-uiseable code. I for one, thought that was a very thoughtful answer. Libraries that are re-useable by many programs seem to be exactly what the question was about. In fact, for those of us who are unorganized, classes and objects might be the only way to catalogue our code for re-use.
Thanks for posting the mirror. You are right. I am much worse off for having read that. What a tease. Just a thought, but a platform independent environment just might include both Linux and Microsoft, wouldn't it? Also, an article about the Internet probably should mention it in the thesis statement...
Anyway, I thought with document sharing, etc. Microsoft is taking a swing in the right direction. And, don't forget that all the Ajax hype is probably the result of an initial Microsoft introduction (XMLHTTPRequest: http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xml httpreq.html). So, I think Microsoft is getting it partially right, even though I normally would swing towards the linux side of the fence (argument wise). Things are changing and the Open Source community has been heard. Now I think it will take some cooperation and less ranting and raving to get the 'executable' internet in motion. Although, I am not so sure we need it. The current web is getting more and more seemless as it stands.
and it should be a constant, i agree
anonymity.
with a sling-blade mmmhmmm.
I will just interject that SQL Server is one of the products that restored some of my confidence in Microsoft. It is easy and Robust. Granted, Oracle is always one step ahead with funtionality, but as a DBA coming to SQLServer form Oracle on Linux, I will have to say it impressed me. I did not find any of the things you mentioned to be a problem. Let's face it...coding is coding and every language seems to have its differences. T-SQL and PL-SQL aren't that far off from what I found. The ease of management from a DBA perspective to me (as a self-taught, very inexperienced DBA...so save the wise cracks...I managed an Oracle install on Redhat 8 so I cant be that bad off) was by far in the SQLServer2000 corner. I also (as someone else mentioned) did not remember an SQL Server 2003. SQL Server is probably NOT the product to bash Microsoft about when it comes to functionality. Now for the other stuff, go ahead and sling some mud...
"Things like HTML, Javascript, and SQL are like English, but then again, they're basic."
Not to give you a hard time, but don't write these off because they are perceived to be simple. There are many, many hours that should be dedicated to learning how to use all of these 'basic' skills properly. If you want to be good at coding, the best way to differentiate yourself from others is write good code. That means knowing which javascript works across browsers, safe and efficient ways to write the same SQL (or even better stored procs, triggers and functions), and proper CSS used with HTML.
And, if your into web-based technologies like those, it wouldnt hurt to check into some XML with XSL Transformations (XSLT).
But if its just the basics, I would also revert back to C and C++ like others have recommended.
Java is pretty neat also, and may or may not be easier then C for you. It was not for me, but I was taught C first.
So, if I am Google and get succesfully sued for this, I am so copying Amazon and other storefronts who have the "Others who typed this search were also interested in these terms" result set on the side. This is really the doing of the masses that use Google and shouldn't be changed in my opinion. If there is so much info out there about '[software co] + crack' then I agreee with aother posters who said it is [software co]'s problem. I think I would find the suggestions useful sometimes.
I guess thats what happens when you name a spacecraft DART.
will not be solved by RFID. I don't even understand where someone would get that idea. You'd be crazy to rely on that.
...Ummm why won't RFID be able to handle these tasks? A new Infinity M class allows the doors to open whenever the key is within a certain proximity...allowing the car to be started with a button...its not that far of a stretch to move this into an RFID tag...
If what you meant to say was none of that is possible *today* then you might be on to something.
OK, I concede the point there, you are correct in the general sense. However, this is less and less true as time goes on. People like us (I assume you like some other flavor of OS at some level based on your postings, lol) are changing the landscape which makes the Microsoft 'monopoly' of yesteryear so much less feared. To get back on track...as a consumer I am not threatened by the MS search on IE7 toobar and don't feel Google should be either. It's just an opinion from an open source advocate who sees a struggleing Microsoft changing its ways in recent years.
Ummmm...sure. Perhaps you might want to look up 'monopoly' in the dictionary. With all the varients of linux available, MS is not the only option. My cable company...who has exclusive rights to my area with no competition...thats a monopoly.
BTW, I have better things to do than read the lawsuit. I know when my rights are being abused, and a friggin MSN toolbar search in an Internet Explorer browser (that I will open only to test cross browser compliance for web design anyway) is not that...
I'm just not a big fan of letting the courts decide who wins. Microsoft is only your deemed 'monopoly' because the general public have taken to them so well and a few people cant deal with it. They may have exploited that a little by not cooperating with software compatibility, but the fact stands that most companies are whining about it when they can be doing other things. And I dont really blame MS for taking advantage. It's a business world. All is fair there. Doesn't Mozilla come with a Google toolbar? I know my copy did. Isn't that the same issue? and...can't you download Mozilla onto a Windows box? So, why is this a problem? If I make a GM car, I'll be damned if Im gonna put a Ford satellite system in it becasue OnStar is proprietary. So, think whatever you want, but I have my opinion. It's not a legitimate grievance. Google has a good thing going, but they have lost a little of my respect on this one.
You may call it two markets, but its a computer with an OS that accesses the internet. If you access the internet through their browser and they provide you a link to their search...well then tough if you cant take it. Download something else, or stop crying. If they prevented the 'something else' from working, then I see an issue...maybe...
Not the biggest fan of Microsoft, but....c'mon Google: Quit whining like a little pansy. IE is a Microsoft product, so it should be able to put whatever search it wants on there. Personally, I will simply set my homepage to google like I always do. Not becasue the search bar isn't handy, but because the page loads quickly.
Things is, Google made a good thing by keeping their page simple, and I use for this reason (well, and it works). I will not 'not' use it because the toolbar has an MS search on it.
Go back to the comment of 'How much of a non-story' is this....and let it sink in.
McDonalds, McDonalds, KFC and the Pizza Hut
It's a song they sing in Europe whenever Americans are around.... Guess now I know why....even comes with some interesting hand poses (not obscene).
Just to interject something humorous on that note. When I worked FAA, we had a Sun box running RedHat. ...had too much trouble installing Oracle on Solaris. Although it was done to reach a deadline because we had more familiarity with the Linux distro at the time and not intentionally a kick. I think its just funny now.
...just to get things done...and a lot of our IS dev was done on MySql ...then migrated of course (no choice in that).
on a serious note, though we were running Linux everywhere without a formal Enterprise solution in place,
It takes a genius to figure out that statistical analysis of clock management. Different times mean different commutes? I can save time by leaving earlier or later then the rest of the pack? I figured this same thing out when I overslept one day, but I didn't think I needed to analyze this strange phenomenon. I simply realized that I was late and my boss (if he actually looked that day) would sigh to himself and say...damn techies are always coming in late. In fact, after doing this same thing a few more days, I realized I like to sleep in and that I could shift my work schedule to a more technical 10am to 7pm and totally miss the commute. At this time I had plenty of free time to SLEEP longer, and SKIP the daylight after a normal workday ends at 5 pm (when everyone else was at the gym, HH or some other clever location....read...not work). The thing is, I always knew how long it took to commute because I was able to look at that handy device called a clock on the way in. ...what a worthless study. Its like the Geico ad for commuters. I left late today, but good news...."I just saved 10 minutes on my commute."
I like to call this my laptop in heat syndrome...where I am near a bunch of wireless networks that aren't my own, and my chipset keeps letting me know about it.
Now my cell-phone will have this also, only I know that 'Can you hear me now' doesn't want me to switch off their network willingly, so can I expect to be bombarded with a bunch of barely audible dings alerting me to the existence of a number of wireless networks that might authenticate me or not? I wonder what happens to my call then.
"But U.S. carriers were tightlipped about when they might roll out the service and at what price, despite Nokia and Samsung representatives saying they would start selling functioning handsets in the country this year."
Yeah, I can interpret the word tightlipped for you well enough,...its kind of like "Trust me" in big city speak.
Just remember the next time you download a video that it was probably the internet porn industry that has a big hand in making that technology available to the masses...
...but Al Gore might still take the credit for it.
Without porn the internet would not be where it is today.
sorry..., I had to throw that last part in there somewhere.
"...should have spent the $99 on a Snapper, instead..."
I'm not giving you a hard time or anything, but I happen to be one of the folks who actually read the Fast Company article when it came to my mailbox a few months back, and I though you would find it interesting that the reason they wouldn't sell to Walmart was because their happy getting something like $500.00 for their mowers at the mom and pop shops.
$500!!
"What if there was alternative for Microsoft Word that would install and open in 6 seconds" -Initially Ummm...didn't work for me. It hung on the initial open screen with a logo. I was all pumped up to see a better than Microsoft Web app, especially because of all the "I cannot copy from Word without all this extra gibberish appearing" comments about most Web Based editors (any web developer has been there at least once). OK, so the slashdot slowed down the server I guess, or my Firefox isn't up to date and there is no check, but it still didn't load a second time. -Couple minutes have gone by lets write a slashdot post I hope you work Ajax Write, but I have a feeling from viewing the other comments that this one is a little bit on the hype lenient side of things. -A few more minutes have gone by We all want to compete with Microsoft, but there's a reason that a few of the founders are on the rich list. Their stuff works well enough to impress the uneducated and the educated alike. Rolling out something that crashes on the first check doesn't help the scenario either. I don't know the exact statistic, but I'm sure its less than a 50% return rate for a non-working website. -another minute...while typing on post--I notice a strange thing...IT LOADED! I type some stuff, open word make a crazy formatted speech and paste it in. It works as planned. Looks nice, and seems quick enough. It looks as though it did in word. My network wouldn't let me save it anywhere...that's not AjaxWrites fault, just the network Gestapo. One last test...lets paste it in another online editor and see if there is formatting. Didn't seem to break the editor, but I would have to test this further. Good idea, looks ok at first glance. This Ajax Write may be something of note. I might use it sometime when I am away from my laptop. especially since the files can be saved and opened as word. --ok now I need to paste this posting into Word to spellcheck it before submitting...
I agree with a wireless alternative to fiber. Why not? Its time for progress anyway. However, remember the FCC has control over the airwaves also, so they will most likely aim to shut down such an alternative solution to their regulatory practices. What are we supposed to do in a Catch-22 situation like this? I just find it interesting that every industry that has little government regulation over it seems to boom. Once the regulation starts the industry seems to falter. The internet technologies, albeit developed by the governent, have evolved so rapidly that it has been hard to regulate, and look at how much that has done for the economy (despite the bubble a few years back).
Nearly one in eight did not even bother to check out a route they were unfamiliar with and simply relied on the technology to get them to their destination. Isn't that supposed to be the point fo a nav system anyway? I might have a map for a backup, but with the cost of these things, I'd like to think that they had better work. For those of you who have pre-planned (meaning you hopped on Google Maps or Mapquest first), how many times has that led you to the proper spot? I took directions to a car lot off of MapQuest and arrived at the back of the holding lot, seperated from the ,main entrance by barbed wire fencing, and located on a dirt pot hole infested street. I thought it was funny, though, becasue I DID arrive at my destination.
The point is that technology has some issues, but its still better off than the alternative, which seems to be that I am supposed to verify each and every point on a route before the trip according to that comment. I'd rather have a small snag in a few trips among many and enjoy the benefits of the 99 out of a 100 times that the Nav system worked.
Dude, slow down on the mud slinging. I am glad you have ultimate knowledge of filesystems. Actually, I don't even program in an Object Oriented environment (on a daily basis), and could use many of the file storage and retrieval systems that were recommended for myself in my day job environment where copy/paste is our mantra (mostly HTML and server-side scripting). Perhaps this is why I was reading this post. Still, I do know that if you create something in an OO environment, you can re-use it. Its simple and square one for most CS students (right after logic and variables). I still stand by my post. Think about Object Oriented design...possible using UML and the Unified Process (although the process matters little here). You pull your classes or objects out of the Use Case, code them up and move on. They are like little black boxes. Once they do a trick, thy can repetitively do that trick. In fact, they can do that trick in my file library or yours. So, maybe its not organization as much as re-usability concepts this poster is looking for. Which is why I thought OOP practices are a good idea. As with all things, it is a concept and not a product that will solve the problem.... ...I think we are both right, and its a mater of interpretation. Personally I think the original poster would be better off using both concepts because PHP has really object oreiented based in version 5 and Javascript can be organized into libraries...yet basic file storing techniques are necessary for storing your built code. Take either of these without the concept of the other, and it is like building sort functions without the idea of recursion....very labor intensive. You might have them all organized nicely, but you will have many that do a similar function...yet just slightly different. Thinking re-use will get you further than simply good organizational skills.
Anyway from the post: "I'm not really sure how I should organize things, how the code should be stored, how it should be implemented, etc. I think this is what people mean when they talk about libraries and/or APIs, but not really sure. I'm specifically curious about PHP and JavaScript, but advice for other programming languages is also helpful! How do you store and maintain your most frequently used code?"
The whole basis of OOP is re-uiseable code. I for one, thought that was a very thoughtful answer. Libraries that are re-useable by many programs seem to be exactly what the question was about. In fact, for those of us who are unorganized, classes and objects might be the only way to catalogue our code for re-use.
Thanks for posting the mirror. You are right. I am much worse off for having read that. What a tease. Just a thought, but a platform independent environment just might include both Linux and Microsoft, wouldn't it? Also, an article about the Internet probably should mention it in the thesis statement... Anyway, I thought with document sharing, etc. Microsoft is taking a swing in the right direction. And, don't forget that all the Ajax hype is probably the result of an initial Microsoft introduction (XMLHTTPRequest: http://developer.apple.com/internet/webcontent/xml httpreq.html). So, I think Microsoft is getting it partially right, even though I normally would swing towards the linux side of the fence (argument wise). Things are changing and the Open Source community has been heard. Now I think it will take some cooperation and less ranting and raving to get the 'executable' internet in motion. Although, I am not so sure we need it. The current web is getting more and more seemless as it stands.
Maybe to Russia.