> Rather than mimicking adults, the scientists found that young chimps are better at working > things out for themselves than children, who will simply copy the actions of their elders. > > Everything points to the fact that chimps are on par if not more intelligent, [...]
No, it shows that young chimps are on par with pre-school children. In other words, it takes more time for the human brain to mature and reach its potential.
> I killed eight people, would you rather I moan to my neighbor about how tired my stabbin' arm is or keep quiet?
Hmmm... I guess that not killing people is just not an option, is it?
You (assuming you are the same coward as the GP) are, by your own admission, contributing to government and police corruption.
It is because of you and people like yourself, who "accidentally drop [their] govt ID" as if there is nothing wrong with it, that we have rampant corruption. In other words, you are scum.
Get it... kiddo?
Diagnosis: in desperate need for attitude readjustment Prescribed treatment: a stern kick in the nuts, to be taken twice daily after meals until symptoms disappear.
> As a city hall employee all I have to do is "accidentally" drop my govt ID while taking out license > and registration and it's "Sorry to bother you" + wave off. My coworkers do the same.
Since you admit to being part of the problem, what gives you the right to complain about it?
The number of times Jefferson has been mentioned lately on/. makes me think that with only a moderate investment (a shovel, some magnets and a length of wire) I could provide the USofA with a cheap source of energy.
Pass a law stating that any infraction that involved an abuse of authority will carry a much stiffer penalty. Make the penalty stiff enough to act like a real deterrent.
Definitely doable but unfortunately not feasible since those who pass the laws stand to lose the most).
My point is that a society where the people with power are being held to a higher standard (or at least the same standard as the grunts) will work better than one where power also implies immunity from punishment.
Government (and by extension police) is supposed to be a tool of society to help manage its affairs more efficiently.
Unfortunately, the people in its employ are often not trustworthy or, more specifically, can be trusted to put their self interests before those of the society they are supposed to serve (cases in point: Rodney King, the war in Iraq, etc.)
In your post you are advocating against "privacy from the government".
I could accept that, if there was a strong guarantee that this information will never be abused by any agency, company or individual.
As things stand now, there is a strong incentive for people in a position of power to abuse it, becaause the potential rewards far outweigh the risks.
Therefore, I do not trust the "government" just as I do not trust any organization in which the people are not personally accountable for any screwup (and I don't mean losing a cushy job which allowed one to skim from the top for years).
Sure, I don't want average joe idiot getting hold of my name here on/. and having him start calling my house. I don't give out my home phone number for that exact reason.
But privacy against the police or government can (in most cases) only be for less than virtuous reasons.
Because we all know that people who work for the government or police are perfect and can never be corrupt or just jerks.
I would support sending US citizens to to europe if they committed kidnapping of course. But when a person is acting as an agent of the government the law discriminates. If anyone should be extradited it should be officers in charge who ordered the detention (and this would likely go to the top levels of the pentagon and white house), not the individuals who are simply doing their jobs. And then it becomes a matter of diplomacy when the crime in question is a matter of government policy, not individual acts of crime. Unless they were acting outside their orders, then by all means the blame is on the individuals. But the issue in question here was that a private citizen committed a crime independant of any government oversight. Apples and oranges. Yeah I know its a double standard. Governments can pick and choose which laws they want to obey. But thats how human society has been for a long time now isnt it?
Well, if you can get the active support of 40-45% of the population, as well as the military aid of France, Spain and the Netherlands (not to mention weapons not several orders of magnitude inferior to the government's) then you too may achieve similar success.
Alternatively, if you are willing to die a martyr just to make a point, you may achieve a different kind of success (posthumously).
> I like Canada, except for that "no guns" thing. I also like Australia, > except for that "no guns" thing. Why? > > If I live in a possibly corrupt government, I want to be able to defend myself > against my government. Look at the US for my example...
Please give an example of a person who successfully defended himself against his own corrupt government with a gun.
Look at the 2006 election results: The Greens had about 4.5% popular suport, 0% of the seats. the Bloc had 10.5% popular support, 16.6% of the seats. The NDP had 17.5% popular support, 9.4% of the seats.
I voted for the party that wants to change our broken election system.
And now the information that near the end of Jan 2007, one Cyphoid (IP such and such) has spent quite some time Googling for nuclear facilities in the US of A is on file and will be kept indefinitely.
Re:US is trying to enforce its law on the whole world/
Well, they do have several justifications. For example: - A large and active military force, leading the world in military spending by a large margin. - A large arsenal of WMDs with excellent deployment capabilities (not to mention being the only country ever known to have used nuclear weapons in combat). - An extensive list of military interventions across the globe and demonstrate willingness to employ its military to protect its business interests. - Willingness to impose economical sanctions to protect said interests.
The US is currently the biggest and meanest bully in the schoolyard and will pick on anybody who it perceives as weaker or less aggressive.
And all the talk about democracy, freedom and justice? Just propaganda. Similar to naming your country "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" and suchlike.
Where the hell is NetHack?
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> Rather than mimicking adults, the scientists found that young chimps are better at working
> things out for themselves than children, who will simply copy the actions of their elders.
>
> Everything points to the fact that chimps are on par if not more intelligent, [...]
No, it shows that young chimps are on par with pre-school children.
In other words, it takes more time for the human brain to mature and reach its potential.
> I killed eight people, would you rather I moan to my neighbor about how tired my stabbin' arm is or keep quiet?
Hmmm... I guess that not killing people is just not an option, is it?
You (assuming you are the same coward as the GP) are, by your own admission, contributing to government and police corruption.
It is because of you and people like yourself, who "accidentally drop [their] govt ID" as if there is nothing wrong with it, that we have rampant corruption. In other words, you are scum.
Get it... kiddo?
Diagnosis: in desperate need for attitude readjustment
Prescribed treatment: a stern kick in the nuts, to be taken twice daily after meals until symptoms disappear.
I have nothing further to say to you.
> As a city hall employee all I have to do is "accidentally" drop my govt ID while taking out license
> and registration and it's "Sorry to bother you" + wave off. My coworkers do the same.
Since you admit to being part of the problem, what gives you the right to complain about it?
Sources indicated that, in accordance with the theme, the next project will be named Busty Baboon.
The number of times Jefferson has been mentioned lately on /. makes me think that with only a moderate investment (a shovel, some magnets and a length of wire) I could provide the USofA with a cheap source of energy.
> We'd strip a cop of his badge and send him to jail if he was shaking down shopkeepers.
Would we?
I get the feeling that bad cops get away with all but the most heinous crimes.
The system protects itself.
> you don't want to be in the court of a judge who has reason to dislike you
Am I the only one that finds it sad that your chances of getting justice are affected by whether the judge likes you?
Rather, it's about Revolution.
Ignorant people are easier to manipulate.
They are less likely to question the acts of their government.
They are less likely to cause problems.
Ah, you hit on my second wish:
All campaign promises should be considered binding contracts.
Pass a law stating that any infraction that involved an abuse of authority will carry a much stiffer penalty. Make the penalty stiff enough to act like a real deterrent.
Definitely doable but unfortunately not feasible since those who pass the laws stand to lose the most).
My point is that a society where the people with power are being held to a higher standard (or at least the same standard as the grunts) will work better than one where power also implies immunity from punishment.
I think you missed my point.
Government (and by extension police) is supposed to be a tool of society to help manage its affairs more efficiently.
Unfortunately, the people in its employ are often not trustworthy or, more specifically, can be trusted to put their self interests before those of the society they are supposed to serve (cases in point: Rodney King, the war in Iraq, etc.)
In your post you are advocating against "privacy from the government".
I could accept that, if there was a strong guarantee that this information will never be abused by any agency, company or individual.
As things stand now, there is a strong incentive for people in a position of power to abuse it, becaause the potential rewards far outweigh the risks.
Therefore, I do not trust the "government" just as I do not trust any organization in which the people are not personally accountable for any screwup (and I don't mean losing a cushy job which allowed one to skim from the top for years).
No.
With power comes the desire for more power.
Nah, doesn't work that way.
Well, if you can get the active support of 40-45% of the population, as well as the military aid of France, Spain and the Netherlands (not to mention weapons not several orders of magnitude inferior to the government's) then you too may achieve similar success.
Alternatively, if you are willing to die a martyr just to make a point, you may achieve a different kind of success (posthumously).
Otherwise, you are just posturing.
> I like Canada, except for that "no guns" thing. I also like Australia,
> except for that "no guns" thing. Why?
>
> If I live in a possibly corrupt government, I want to be able to defend myself
> against my government. Look at the US for my example...
Please give an example of a person who successfully defended himself against his own corrupt government with a gun.
Look at the 2006 election results:
The Greens had about 4.5% popular suport, 0% of the seats.
the Bloc had 10.5% popular support, 16.6% of the seats.
The NDP had 17.5% popular support, 9.4% of the seats.
I voted for the party that wants to change our broken election system.
Looks like the 2-party US system to me (with the addition of the NDP and the Block).
Want to change the system? Vote Green.
Beg the question.
Editor.
And now the information that near the end of Jan 2007, one Cyphoid (IP such and such) has spent quite some time Googling for nuclear facilities in the US of A is on file and will be kept indefinitely.
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Nope. Just you.
Re:US is trying to enforce its law on the whole world/
Well, they do have several justifications. For example:
- A large and active military force, leading the world in military spending by a large margin.
- A large arsenal of WMDs with excellent deployment capabilities (not to mention being the only country ever known to have used nuclear weapons in combat).
- An extensive list of military interventions across the globe and demonstrate willingness to employ its military to protect its business interests.
- Willingness to impose economical sanctions to protect said interests.
The US is currently the biggest and meanest bully in the schoolyard and will pick on anybody who it perceives as weaker or less aggressive.
And all the talk about democracy, freedom and justice? Just propaganda. Similar to naming your country "Democratic People's Republic of Korea" and suchlike.
Where the hell is NetHack in that list?