What a terrible thing to have to donate money to open source for.. Donating to support lawyers as opposed to developers seems absurd, but this is the state of things.
I heard Blu-ray and HD-DVD stuff was DRM protected, and that Windows 7 needed DRM code to play that DRM protected content.
i.e. It's giving us the choice to play DRM content, or not. As opposed to just "not." This may be one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" things.
But yeah, lets use this "Microsoft adds more value to Windows 7" story to express our hatred for Microsoft!
"(Silicon Alley Insider recently calculated that the New York Times could save more than $300 million a year by shutting down its presses and buying every subscriber a Kindle)."
Because subscribers make up the largest part of the New York Timer's readership..
I have to admit that although I liked Windows 7 I had to go to HP's website and download the drivers for my NIC onto another computer and transfer them via flash-drive.
However once I had done that it was like the GP's quote said; everything was available automatically online and everything was easy.
To be fair I expect they'll have my NIC's driver in the final product, it's quite a new laptop, but for comparison Ubuntu worked out of the box.
On second thought, maybe they should tack on a year for design refinements and take a look at that whole separation module thingy.
The team that designed the satellite didn't design the rocket. The rocket was a "Taurus XL", built by a different team to the OCO team (not even by NASA).
I imagine less than 7 years went into the rocket's design, and that it cost much less than $270 million, so I would guess the team behind the satellite would be pretty damn pissed. (I wonder if they insure it etc, and what sort of rates they have to pay to do so)
At any rate it's a real tragedy for everyone; knowing much more about where CO2 comes from and goes would have been a huge leap forward for the study of global warming.
How convenient, after years of economic prosperity on the back of trade with China (which both benefited from) now that there's a crisis they're against free trade and everyone should isolate themselves.
Like it or not it was the greed of certain Americans that caused this crash, the reason it spread all across the world is because the whole world has been investing in the US sub-prime sector.
Trying to deny that we live in a global economy, just as it goes into a crisis, is extremely irresponsible and we'd only end up hurting ourselves.
Finally if you want to "Kick them the fuck out" try not buying their products.. Good luck, their products are what make the Western lifestyle affordable.
EULAs are imposed upon the "end user" (by definition!), after the purchase. Because of this, they are both inequitable (they do not convey any rights to the user that he didn't have already) and contracts of adhesion (the transfer of ownership already occurred; the user has no choice but to accept the terms). For both of these reasons, EULAs are unenforcible in any sane court.
Not an Apple fan, just curious about your logic.
You say EULAs aren't enforcible because
1. They are imposed after purchase so the user has no choice, and
2. They do not convey any rights to the user that he didn't have already which makes them inequitable.
Regarding 1. your claim that this renders the license unenforceable seems to mean that if I paid for AGPL software, without agreeing before paying, the AGPL would also be unenforceable.
(And the AGPL is an FOSS approved license also by Stallman for server-side software, which specifies any feature allowing the source-code to be download mustn't be removed. There are probably other examples of FOSS licenses which aren't limited to distribution)
Regarding 2. you seem to be saying it's inequitable (i.e. unfair) that the license only takes away rights without giving them, but I don't see how that makes it unenforceable (or why licenses have to give rights to be fair)
This theory is now completely bunk, because copyright law has an explicit exception for software allowing that necessary copy.
Does this explicit exception apply universally, or do EULAs still technically give rights you wouldn't otherwise have in other parts of the world?
If so the EULA/GPL comparison is still valid except where this exception exists
(If you could respond without swearing at me like you did the GP I'd be grateful)
The average person (if they have heard of Linux at all, and most haven't) tend to think of it as something for anti-social geeks who will be mean to them if they ask for help.
You're arguing from the perspective that open source software is perfect; no egos, anyone can contribute what they like, the best code gets used, it's easy to improve, etc.
Problem is people can't contribute what they like, the code that others use the most is what gets used, people prefer to work on separate code than others, and egos mean admitting you were wrong and reversing a decision is a lot easier when there is some friendly competition.
There is a lot of wasted effort, but having competition driving things forward is worth it
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Silence! The question is stupid! You're stupid!
Does anyone think there are practical reasons for wanting this?
Someone rip the vids, make a new presidential channel, boom
What a terrible thing to have to donate money to open source for.. Donating to support lawyers as opposed to developers seems absurd, but this is the state of things.
I heard Blu-ray and HD-DVD stuff was DRM protected, and that Windows 7 needed DRM code to play that DRM protected content.
i.e. It's giving us the choice to play DRM content, or not. As opposed to just "not." This may be one of those "damned if you do, damned if you don't" things.
But yeah, lets use this "Microsoft adds more value to Windows 7" story to express our hatred for Microsoft!
"(Silicon Alley Insider recently calculated that the New York Times could save more than $300 million a year by shutting down its presses and buying every subscriber a Kindle)."
Because subscribers make up the largest part of the New York Timer's readership..
I have to admit that although I liked Windows 7 I had to go to HP's website and download the drivers for my NIC onto another computer and transfer them via flash-drive.
However once I had done that it was like the GP's quote said; everything was available automatically online and everything was easy.
To be fair I expect they'll have my NIC's driver in the final product, it's quite a new laptop, but for comparison Ubuntu worked out of the box.
Yeah! I don't want to have the choice to play DRM files, and Microsoft is worse than Hitler for providing that choice.
And I will now track down Nick Xenophon's address and mail him a letter of thanks. There may be hope for democracy yet!
I'm just so pissed off that Microsoft ships a browser with their operating system, and I applaud the efforts of judges to try and stop this.
What I don't understand is why they don't start tackling the bundling of seats with cars, it completely destroys the 3rd party car-seat market.
We need to break up more successful companies, and ruin their products, to let capitalism thrive.
How long do you think it'd take?
The big problem Safari faces is that Opera users already dominate the snobby-over-nothing niche Apple usually occupies :-(
I wonder if Apple has done anything about these issues.
Do they involve browsing/organizing/searching thumbnails of some form of media?
:-(
Then no
On second thought, maybe they should tack on a year for design refinements and take a look at that whole separation module thingy.
The team that designed the satellite didn't design the rocket. The rocket was a "Taurus XL", built by a different team to the OCO team (not even by NASA).
I imagine less than 7 years went into the rocket's design, and that it cost much less than $270 million, so I would guess the team behind the satellite would be pretty damn pissed. (I wonder if they insure it etc, and what sort of rates they have to pay to do so)
At any rate it's a real tragedy for everyone; knowing much more about where CO2 comes from and goes would have been a huge leap forward for the study of global warming.
I downloaded Steam to play Left 4 Dead when it went on sale, and since then I've bought Company of Heroes too.
Though it has to be said if it wasn't a limited-time 50% markdown from the "RRP" it probably wouldn't have got 30x the number of total sales.
Glad you've got it all figured out, jackass
How convenient, after years of economic prosperity on the back of trade with China (which both benefited from) now that there's a crisis they're against free trade and everyone should isolate themselves.
Like it or not it was the greed of certain Americans that caused this crash, the reason it spread all across the world is because the whole world has been investing in the US sub-prime sector.
Trying to deny that we live in a global economy, just as it goes into a crisis, is extremely irresponsible and we'd only end up hurting ourselves.
Finally if you want to "Kick them the fuck out" try not buying their products.. Good luck, their products are what make the Western lifestyle affordable.
EULAs are imposed upon the "end user" (by definition!), after the purchase. Because of this, they are both inequitable (they do not convey any rights to the user that he didn't have already) and contracts of adhesion (the transfer of ownership already occurred; the user has no choice but to accept the terms). For both of these reasons, EULAs are unenforcible in any sane court.
Not an Apple fan, just curious about your logic.
You say EULAs aren't enforcible because
1. They are imposed after purchase so the user has no choice, and
2. They do not convey any rights to the user that he didn't have already which makes them inequitable.
Regarding 1. your claim that this renders the license unenforceable seems to mean that if I paid for AGPL software, without agreeing before paying, the AGPL would also be unenforceable.
(And the AGPL is an FOSS approved license also by Stallman for server-side software, which specifies any feature allowing the source-code to be download mustn't be removed. There are probably other examples of FOSS licenses which aren't limited to distribution)
Regarding 2. you seem to be saying it's inequitable (i.e. unfair) that the license only takes away rights without giving them, but I don't see how that makes it unenforceable (or why licenses have to give rights to be fair)
This theory is now completely bunk, because copyright law has an explicit exception for software allowing that necessary copy.
Does this explicit exception apply universally, or do EULAs still technically give rights you wouldn't otherwise have in other parts of the world?
If so the EULA/GPL comparison is still valid except where this exception exists
(If you could respond without swearing at me like you did the GP I'd be grateful)
I love that this story comes out just after the latest NetBSD came out and everyone was leaving cynical "why do they still bother" comments. :-)
The average person (if they have heard of Linux at all, and most haven't) tend to think of it as something for anti-social geeks who will be mean to them if they ask for help.
Where on earth would people get such crazy ideas?
Isn't this just like the Pelletier effect? If it is cooling the chip down where is the heat being transferred to?
I'm pretty sure no-one else has brought up the Pelletier effect comparison..
I heard instead of handing anything over they were just releasing photoshopped images of Jobs visiting factories and mingling with common people
It downloads using an ActiveX control, just like Microsoft's dreamspark program
You're arguing from the perspective that open source software is perfect; no egos, anyone can contribute what they like, the best code gets used, it's easy to improve, etc.
Problem is people can't contribute what they like, the code that others use the most is what gets used, people prefer to work on separate code than others, and egos mean admitting you were wrong and reversing a decision is a lot easier when there is some friendly competition.
There is a lot of wasted effort, but having competition driving things forward is worth it
How about making it a cube? It'd be like a normal Mac, except in cube form, has anyone tried that?