yes, distrust is one thing, being absolutely sure they are doing something bad with no proof of any kind is just paranoia. no doubt, mistakes have been made but they have always tried to be rectified. besides, if they were doing something like this, i think they would try some sort of coverup instead of saying exactly what they are doing after being found out. you know what im talking about, full denial of everything, destroying documents and just covering their tracks.
i dont think the companies are interested in forcefully giving it to african and muslim nations where men rape women and spread the virus.
In this issue we document again the horrendous brutality by men in Moslem countries -- for instance in Pakistan where rape and murder flourish, supported by Islamic laws. The stoning of women to death is ordered by Islamic judges after women are raped - while the rapists go free: and this is Islamic justice!the article
but there is still more. this is africa specific.
Among the young men questioned, 80% said women were responsible for causing sexual violence; 30% said they thought women who were raped 'asked for it'; 20% thought women enjoyed being raped; and 10% said they thought gang rapes were 'cool.' The survey, was conducted by Johannesburg's Southern Metropolitan Local Council and the nongovernmental organization CIETafrica, also found that about 60% of rapists knew their victim. ..South Africa's AIDS epidemic, which affects more than 4 million people, 'adds a frightening dimension to the country's rampant levels of rape,' Reuters reports.the article
giving away medication to rapists and recieve no money does not sound enticing. again, im not trolling, this is factual information.
ok... so with the release of vista, Direct X 10 will come out. the problem that Direct X 10 will not be compatible on any cards that have come out in 2005 will hinder it from being used. so i predict Direct X 9 will used all next year and perhaps that more developers will switch to openGL considering the minimal overhead of the implimentation on top of Direct X 10. (DX 10 is quite similar to openGL)
the media has a total lack of integraty. political organizations, bias or slanting the story? the FBI is the best and most thorough out of the three. you cant believe the media, they are just full of shit. oh and voters? what are they going to do, listen to the media? exactly. your total distrust of the government is not the smartest thing to do. multiple perspectives are good... unless you choose the media or some crackpot.
so... you want the backgrounds of potential leaders of this country to go unchecked? as for the MLK thing, i would like to think be have progressed forward from then as there are equal rights for citizens now.
ok... so i checked out the pages and there is NOTHING for C++ and im getting the feeling that they wont allow it. honestly, what the hell is wrong with C++?! as for a large projects, it makes them more maintainable and modular. so what is the deal? i understand having a preference to it but lets get real, everyone in the professional world (yes, including the ones who make high quality products) who are making professional apps go with some form of C++, whether it be C# or Java. yes, im calling java a c++ derivative. id love to help but this C elitism is killing me.
Like I said, what if the higher-ups ever change the definition of who a "suspected terrorist" is, from someone who explodes bombs into someone who goes against government policy? Please give me an answer to this scenario, or I'll assume you're trolling and have no more use of this discussion.
there is no answer to that because you are simply assuming it will happen. i mean, what if my boss decides my job of being a programmer really means im his secretary? a rediculous notion, yes and in your words: "It might not be today, or in our life time, but at least concede that such an event could happen, no matter the 'probability' you would assign it."
shunning contact with others; "standoffish and antisocial"; "he's not antisocial; just shy"
unwilling or unable to conform to normal standards of social behavior; "criminal behavior or conduct that violates the rights of other individuals is antisocial"; "crimes...and other asocial behavior" [syn: asocial]
this is where you are going WAY of base. this is NOT about spying on important people, this is about suspected terrorists. the change to "anybody who does not agree with policy" is a HUGE leap. it's the difference between someone who is planning to kill people with our leaders in mind and somebody is is just going to be a nuisance with their picket signs and megaphones. however, i dont see how encrypting you conversations to "mom" are going to stop them from any of this if that is what they will start doing.
from what ive seen, there is a big difference between movies and video games. in movies (well.. the rated R and higher ones) you are watching actual people and it seems like it's happening, even if reality is a bit skewed. as for video games, they are very unlife-like as well hyperbolize to a rediculous level. an example is a movie that came out called High Tension which was quite gory and realistic to the point where my 28-year-old brother almost barfed on me. however, we play a bunch of violent videogames including the mortal kombat series of games. now, when i impale his character with a giant sword and blood is spirting everywhere, he does not get that sickening feeling. so there is a clear divide between the two... oh no here comes multiply!
Note the example stated that you were a WELL KNOWN voice, meaning the government would indeed notice you, and would be watching you, since you are well known publicly. yes, i goofed on that, my bad.
You have some weird notions of what "arrogant" means.
arrogant
1. Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
im trying to say that you seem to be making yourself some sort of celebrity. this of coarse being before i saw your hypothetical situation was about a well known person. however, im saying that you are not important in the eyes of the government nor anyone here, me included. im just saying that what kills me is that there is nobody in the government saying you shouldnt encrypt everything. that's what my analogy was about, your civil disobedience that isnt disobedience at all. with this in mind, it is like you are in an empty bus refusing to move for someone that is not there by someone who never asked. i see you as blowing this out of propertion. i seems lik you think the government will tap everyones phone and they will know all about you and crush everyone who thinks differently than them. that is why i call you arrogant, they just dont care about 99.999% of people who are talking about their personal affairs on the phone. why would they care? now if you want to know what your claims would ultimately result in, it seems like you are describing the current state of china.
So you're saying that someone who works for the government is 100% trustworthy? Because you think they'd stop at such limitations?
i never said i trust them "100%" but rather that i trust them in general. i mean, of the choices, who is most likely to give away/sell your info? corperations and people because the government just isnt interested in getting a quick buck to put more spam in your email inbox. is that to say that it couldnt happen that they give out your info? no, of coarse not but i do i yhink they will or intend to? again, no.
Even though recent news headlines points to illegal spying on citizens? Gull-i-ble.
the difference is that there is good cause for these actions. do i want a nuke going off in my backyard because they werent allowed to check radiation levels or listen in on forienbound conversatinos? no. tell me this, would you feel safer if they flat out stopped spying on people? if you recall in the news, they have busted a few alqueda members and then there was the bank that was funding alqueda. would you feel safe if we just ignored them until they kill more people? is YOUR privacy absolutely important? as ive stated a bunch, thinking so would be arrogant.
Do you, by chance, take the time to read posts before replying to them? Nobody said that people with BPD are a threat to the public
yeah, i missrf a bit but then saw my mistake and edited up a bit but i thought i would leave that in there for a matter of fact. i find it humorous in a dark sense that the general public seems to think someone with a mental illness is dangerous. so yeah i can see how my post could easily be interpreted as not reading your comment fully. just so you know, i am already target for your everyday ignorant shmoe to think im making up my emotional problems(thank you tom cruise... he's an ass). so im fully aware of the public to "people's unwillingness or inability to think logically."
ok, now the second part is where you lost me. just because there isnt proof of something that isnt happening, doesnt mean it is happening. for example, i went back to 1952 in my time machine did a little jig and returned to the present where i sent my time machine to the end of time and it disappeared forever. you cant disprove it, so there is nothing to say it didnt happen. while extreme, i think that gets my point across.
i knew it! it's those tree huggers that are a secret organization not to save the world but to destroy it! they'll plant all the trees until they slowly kill everything, all the while sitting snugly in their cool underground city. it's time to torch some forests! who's with me?:)
They don't know that you call phone-sex lines (as an example).
hey, i dont call those. it was my dog, i swear.:P
actually, if some federal people were watching me 24/7 i would feel safer as ive gotten screwed (badly) by the local PD before. oh and people with BPD are more of a threat to themselves than anyone else. in anycase, it didnt seem to be an issue for my siblings who have security clearances, one of them having Top Secret clearance. you might as well have a thought experiment about the government watching people who use encryption needlessly as it seems more plausible.
as for it "[happening] to 'one of them,'" of who are you refering? suspected terrorists? people with insane amounts of encryption without cause? people who build and explode bombs in their backyerd just for fun? or perhaps people who like yell "jihad!" and running into dense crowds. who?
i asked the guys that run the extensions page for mozilla.org because the pages loaded significantly slower and they claimed if everyone encrypted all internet connections we would all be safe from hacking. last time i checked, hackers dont intercept publicly availible information. but as far as security, windows users are still going to get their spyware fomr webpages and such, just encrypted.
It is not about whether or not he is paranoid that the government will be spying on him, specifically - imagine if such activities are continued to allowed, and the government becomes less friendly in the future. Imagine being a well known voice against the current leader's policies, and trying to start protests, like actions of civil disobedience that Martin Luther King led, in order to change public policy that the current leader REALLY liked. Such protests would be over before they began, and your voice to speak out against the government would be squashed.
this is what im talking about when i say arrogant. they are not even going to notice you. it's the equivalent of refusing to move from your bus seat when there is nobody on the bus but you and nobody asked you to move.
How about you allow us to tap into your phone lines, though? We could keep the recordings in an online database even, without you being able to delete them. How about your emails, including work-related emails (can never be TOO safe, you know)? Post them online for us, uncensored of course. You can even use screenshots of the emails, so online spammers won't bother you.
as i previously stated, i am not afraid of the government knowing but corperations and i guess you can lump scam artists in there. i wouldnt mind if there was a government database of all my calls. as for online, if anyone can access it, their are plenty of unethical people willing to abuse it without the limitations that the government has on it to limit it's use. as for the emails, work emails are kept internal to protect the corperation from being ripped off by outsiders, not the government. if you hadn't noticed, their already is a requirement to retain all business emails for (i think) two years so the whole enron bit does repeat. so if the government wants that information, they can have it because i know there are limitations to what they can do with it. also, there is some site that posts a bunch of internal company memos already and nobody has a problem with that. seriously though, if you wanted to see my personal emails, i really wouldnt care, but that would take a bunch of time to process into screenshots. as mentioned previously, i think there are hateful people that would sign me up for spam to smite me or something. in short, i trust what the goverment does with information, but not people or corperations.
if they wanted to start selling your information, they would have done so already. i mean, the IRS has everything about you. what real information could they get from automated filtration process? "well... he doesnt like building bombs... yet. so we'll put him on the backup list." yes, if you have a government with little to do with law, the possibilities are endless but i dont see that happening, where the government is selling info to the highest bidder. give it a second thought and this time think of all the government agencies that already have information about you.
Don't care about your privacy? Let's see if you do or not. Thus far, no one's answered this challenge, let's see if you'll be the first.
In your next post, please include: Your real name, your home and work/school physical address, your home, work/school, and cell phone numbers, all email addresses you use (with no obfuscation), all instant messenger or other communications you use, a link to a recent photograph of yourself, and the license numbers of all vehicles you own.
as i explained i have a health paranoia, not from the government but from corporations (spamming, calling, and mailing me). i also think there is a good chance you would harass me further or some other jackass who thinks they are funny. if the federal government asked for this info, i would give it to them. however, this should give you a good deal of info about me as well as this. oh, before you start thinking im a canadian or canadian lover, this is the shirt im where in that picture.
What has not been publicly acknowledged is that N.S.A. technicians, besides actually eavesdropping on specific conversations, have combed through large volumes of phone and Internet traffic in search of patterns that might point to terrorism suspects. Some officials describe the program as a large data-mining operation.
it implies that the amount of content is too much to monitor so chances are, they dont really listen to everything you say but rather use a filter. not to mention this was communications going in and out of the country.
and yes, i do think you are being arrogant for thinking they may spy on you. there is such a think as healthy paranoia but you have to take it with a grain of salt.
see... people arent afraid of robots because you can turn them off or reprogram them. if the situation gets deperate, you can "kill" them because they arent actually people or animals. i look forward to setting fire to my robot friends. i also find it amusing that the article says "[MARIE] is inexpensive." ill buy one!:)
im just saying that i dont think the government would be interested in what you have to say to your friends and family. seriously, do you think they could go through all that content? as for the totalitarians, the difference there is that if you say something about the government they come and take you away to God knows where and do God knows what to you. personally, i dont care if they know that i talk about stuff with my brother even when i bash the cops for being bastards for thier rediculous traffic ticketing tactics. too be fair, they have caught a bunch of terrorists and not just alleged ones, ones tried in public courts. as for secrecy around detentions, do you think they want to draw attention to their arrests and (possibly) alert their terrorist buddies? it has done good so far, terrorists are on the run now. overall though, i think you are being a little arrogant to think they would want to monitor you.
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i for one, welcome our new internet overlords.
yes, distrust is one thing, being absolutely sure they are doing something bad with no proof of any kind is just paranoia. no doubt, mistakes have been made but they have always tried to be rectified. besides, if they were doing something like this, i think they would try some sort of coverup instead of saying exactly what they are doing after being found out. you know what im talking about, full denial of everything, destroying documents and just covering their tracks.
wtf? why did i get an automatic score of 0?
i dont think the companies are interested in forcefully giving it to african and muslim nations where men rape women and spread the virus.
.South Africa's AIDS epidemic, which affects more than 4 million people, 'adds a frightening dimension to the country's rampant levels of rape,' Reuters reports. the article
In this issue we document again the horrendous brutality by men in Moslem countries -- for instance in Pakistan where rape and murder flourish, supported by Islamic laws. The stoning of women to death is ordered by Islamic judges after women are raped - while the rapists go free: and this is Islamic justice! the article
but there is still more. this is africa specific.
Among the young men questioned, 80% said women were responsible for causing sexual violence; 30% said they thought women who were raped 'asked for it'; 20% thought women enjoyed being raped; and 10% said they thought gang rapes were 'cool.' The survey, was conducted by Johannesburg's Southern Metropolitan Local Council and the nongovernmental organization CIETafrica, also found that about 60% of rapists knew their victim. .
giving away medication to rapists and recieve no money does not sound enticing. again, im not trolling, this is factual information.
ok... so with the release of vista, Direct X 10 will come out. the problem that Direct X 10 will not be compatible on any cards that have come out in 2005 will hinder it from being used. so i predict Direct X 9 will used all next year and perhaps that more developers will switch to openGL considering the minimal overhead of the implimentation on top of Direct X 10. (DX 10 is quite similar to openGL)
the media has a total lack of integraty. political organizations, bias or slanting the story? the FBI is the best and most thorough out of the three. you cant believe the media, they are just full of shit. oh and voters? what are they going to do, listen to the media? exactly. your total distrust of the government is not the smartest thing to do. multiple perspectives are good... unless you choose the media or some crackpot.
so... you want the backgrounds of potential leaders of this country to go unchecked? as for the MLK thing, i would like to think be have progressed forward from then as there are equal rights for citizens now.
ok... so i checked out the pages and there is NOTHING for C++ and im getting the feeling that they wont allow it. honestly, what the hell is wrong with C++?! as for a large projects, it makes them more maintainable and modular. so what is the deal? i understand having a preference to it but lets get real, everyone in the professional world (yes, including the ones who make high quality products) who are making professional apps go with some form of C++, whether it be C# or Java. yes, im calling java a c++ derivative. id love to help but this C elitism is killing me.
Like I said, what if the higher-ups ever change the definition of who a "suspected terrorist" is, from someone who explodes bombs into someone who goes against government policy? Please give me an answer to this scenario, or I'll assume you're trolling and have no more use of this discussion.
there is no answer to that because you are simply assuming it will happen. i mean, what if my boss decides my job of being a programmer really means im his secretary? a rediculous notion, yes and in your words: "It might not be today, or in our life time, but at least concede that such an event could happen, no matter the 'probability' you would assign it."
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this is where you are going WAY of base. this is NOT about spying on important people, this is about suspected terrorists. the change to "anybody who does not agree with policy" is a HUGE leap. it's the difference between someone who is planning to kill people with our leaders in mind and somebody is is just going to be a nuisance with their picket signs and megaphones. however, i dont see how encrypting you conversations to "mom" are going to stop them from any of this if that is what they will start doing.
two actors with rediculous accents! who will win?! im going with the third, "in russia, we dont have video games, we use real guns."
from what ive seen, there is a big difference between movies and video games. in movies (well.. the rated R and higher ones) you are watching actual people and it seems like it's happening, even if reality is a bit skewed. as for video games, they are very unlife-like as well hyperbolize to a rediculous level. an example is a movie that came out called High Tension which was quite gory and realistic to the point where my 28-year-old brother almost barfed on me. however, we play a bunch of violent videogames including the mortal kombat series of games. now, when i impale his character with a giant sword and blood is spirting everywhere, he does not get that sickening feeling. so there is a clear divide between the two... oh no here comes multiply!
Note the example stated that you were a WELL KNOWN voice, meaning the government would indeed notice you, and would be watching you, since you are well known publicly.
yes, i goofed on that, my bad.
You have some weird notions of what "arrogant" means.
arrogant
1. Having or displaying a sense of overbearing self-worth or self-importance.
im trying to say that you seem to be making yourself some sort of celebrity. this of coarse being before i saw your hypothetical situation was about a well known person. however, im saying that you are not important in the eyes of the government nor anyone here, me included. im just saying that what kills me is that there is nobody in the government saying you shouldnt encrypt everything. that's what my analogy was about, your civil disobedience that isnt disobedience at all. with this in mind, it is like you are in an empty bus refusing to move for someone that is not there by someone who never asked. i see you as blowing this out of propertion. i seems lik you think the government will tap everyones phone and they will know all about you and crush everyone who thinks differently than them. that is why i call you arrogant, they just dont care about 99.999% of people who are talking about their personal affairs on the phone. why would they care? now if you want to know what your claims would ultimately result in, it seems like you are describing the current state of china.
So you're saying that someone who works for the government is 100% trustworthy? Because you think they'd stop at such limitations?
i never said i trust them "100%" but rather that i trust them in general. i mean, of the choices, who is most likely to give away/sell your info? corperations and people because the government just isnt interested in getting a quick buck to put more spam in your email inbox. is that to say that it couldnt happen that they give out your info? no, of coarse not but i do i yhink they will or intend to? again, no.
Even though recent news headlines points to illegal spying on citizens? Gull-i-ble.
the difference is that there is good cause for these actions. do i want a nuke going off in my backyard because they werent allowed to check radiation levels or listen in on forienbound conversatinos? no. tell me this, would you feel safer if they flat out stopped spying on people? if you recall in the news, they have busted a few alqueda members and then there was the bank that was funding alqueda. would you feel safe if we just ignored them until they kill more people? is YOUR privacy absolutely important? as ive stated a bunch, thinking so would be arrogant.
Do you, by chance, take the time to read posts before replying to them? Nobody said that people with BPD are a threat to the public
yeah, i missrf a bit but then saw my mistake and edited up a bit but i thought i would leave that in there for a matter of fact. i find it humorous in a dark sense that the general public seems to think someone with a mental illness is dangerous. so yeah i can see how my post could easily be interpreted as not reading your comment fully. just so you know, i am already target for your everyday ignorant shmoe to think im making up my emotional problems(thank you tom cruise... he's an ass). so im fully aware of the public to "people's unwillingness or inability to think logically."
ok, now the second part is where you lost me. just because there isnt proof of something that isnt happening, doesnt mean it is happening. for example, i went back to 1952 in my time machine did a little jig and returned to the present where i sent my time machine to the end of time and it disappeared forever. you cant disprove it, so there is nothing to say it didnt happen. while extreme, i think that gets my point across.
i knew it! it's those tree huggers that are a secret organization not to save the world but to destroy it! they'll plant all the trees until they slowly kill everything, all the while sitting snugly in their cool underground city. it's time to torch some forests! who's with me? :)
they have a disorder name for that behavior: antisocial. it's not a good thing.
They don't know that you call phone-sex lines (as an example). :P
hey, i dont call those. it was my dog, i swear.
actually, if some federal people were watching me 24/7 i would feel safer as ive gotten screwed (badly) by the local PD before. oh and people with BPD are more of a threat to themselves than anyone else. in anycase, it didnt seem to be an issue for my siblings who have security clearances, one of them having Top Secret clearance. you might as well have a thought experiment about the government watching people who use encryption needlessly as it seems more plausible.
as for it "[happening] to 'one of them,'" of who are you refering? suspected terrorists? people with insane amounts of encryption without cause? people who build and explode bombs in their backyerd just for fun? or perhaps people who like yell "jihad!" and running into dense crowds. who?
i asked the guys that run the extensions page for mozilla.org because the pages loaded significantly slower and they claimed if everyone encrypted all internet connections we would all be safe from hacking. last time i checked, hackers dont intercept publicly availible information. but as far as security, windows users are still going to get their spyware fomr webpages and such, just encrypted.
It is not about whether or not he is paranoid that the government will be spying on him, specifically - imagine if such activities are continued to allowed, and the government becomes less friendly in the future. Imagine being a well known voice against the current leader's policies, and trying to start protests, like actions of civil disobedience that Martin Luther King led, in order to change public policy that the current leader REALLY liked. Such protests would be over before they began, and your voice to speak out against the government would be squashed.
this is what im talking about when i say arrogant. they are not even going to notice you. it's the equivalent of refusing to move from your bus seat when there is nobody on the bus but you and nobody asked you to move.
How about you allow us to tap into your phone lines, though? We could keep the recordings in an online database even, without you being able to delete them. How about your emails, including work-related emails (can never be TOO safe, you know)? Post them online for us, uncensored of course. You can even use screenshots of the emails, so online spammers won't bother you.
as i previously stated, i am not afraid of the government knowing but corperations and i guess you can lump scam artists in there. i wouldnt mind if there was a government database of all my calls. as for online, if anyone can access it, their are plenty of unethical people willing to abuse it without the limitations that the government has on it to limit it's use. as for the emails, work emails are kept internal to protect the corperation from being ripped off by outsiders, not the government. if you hadn't noticed, their already is a requirement to retain all business emails for (i think) two years so the whole enron bit does repeat. so if the government wants that information, they can have it because i know there are limitations to what they can do with it. also, there is some site that posts a bunch of internal company memos already and nobody has a problem with that. seriously though, if you wanted to see my personal emails, i really wouldnt care, but that would take a bunch of time to process into screenshots. as mentioned previously, i think there are hateful people that would sign me up for spam to smite me or something. in short, i trust what the goverment does with information, but not people or corperations.
if they wanted to start selling your information, they would have done so already. i mean, the IRS has everything about you. what real information could they get from automated filtration process? "well... he doesnt like building bombs... yet. so we'll put him on the backup list." yes, if you have a government with little to do with law, the possibilities are endless but i dont see that happening, where the government is selling info to the highest bidder. give it a second thought and this time think of all the government agencies that already have information about you.
Don't care about your privacy? Let's see if you do or not. Thus far, no one's answered this challenge, let's see if you'll be the first.
In your next post, please include: Your real name, your home and work/school physical address, your home, work/school, and cell phone numbers, all email addresses you use (with no obfuscation), all instant messenger or other communications you use, a link to a recent photograph of yourself, and the license numbers of all vehicles you own.
as i explained i have a health paranoia, not from the government but from corporations (spamming, calling, and mailing me). i also think there is a good chance you would harass me further or some other jackass who thinks they are funny. if the federal government asked for this info, i would give it to them. however, this should give you a good deal of info about me as well as this. oh, before you start thinking im a canadian or canadian lover, this is the shirt im where in that picture.
What has not been publicly acknowledged is that N.S.A. technicians, besides actually eavesdropping on specific conversations, have combed through large volumes of phone and Internet traffic in search of patterns that might point to terrorism suspects. Some officials describe the program as a large data-mining operation.
it implies that the amount of content is too much to monitor so chances are, they dont really listen to everything you say but rather use a filter. not to mention this was communications going in and out of the country.
and yes, i do think you are being arrogant for thinking they may spy on you. there is such a think as healthy paranoia but you have to take it with a grain of salt.
see... people arent afraid of robots because you can turn them off or reprogram them. if the situation gets deperate, you can "kill" them because they arent actually people or animals. i look forward to setting fire to my robot friends. i also find it amusing that the article says "[MARIE] is inexpensive." ill buy one! :)
cuba?! of all the places you think it's smart to go live in cuba to be free?! yes, this does make me think but not very favorably of you.
im just saying that i dont think the government would be interested in what you have to say to your friends and family. seriously, do you think they could go through all that content? as for the totalitarians, the difference there is that if you say something about the government they come and take you away to God knows where and do God knows what to you. personally, i dont care if they know that i talk about stuff with my brother even when i bash the cops for being bastards for thier rediculous traffic ticketing tactics. too be fair, they have caught a bunch of terrorists and not just alleged ones, ones tried in public courts. as for secrecy around detentions, do you think they want to draw attention to their arrests and (possibly) alert their terrorist buddies? it has done good so far, terrorists are on the run now. overall though, i think you are being a little arrogant to think they would want to monitor you.