Probably because I tried Gnome on Linux before as well, and it had similar bugs, when it comes to the GUI configuration tool, at least. It is less buggy, sure, but that doesn't mean it runs well or is without more than its share of bugs.;)
Keep those feet off my desktop, no matter which OS I'm running.
Not a troll. Yes, I realize this, so stop your shouting. Part of my complain was about the default window manager that came bundled with Sun's gnome packages. Switching to windowmaker does not eliminated my complaints, it just gives be a bad add on to a good windowmanager. gnome still bites ass, and is still quite buggy. I would not recommend it.
openwindows support for multihead? I don't know. Xsun (what they use instead of XFree86) supports it quite well, and both CDE and windowmaker make use of it quite nicely. gnome does not, it only starts on one of the two displays. windowmaker has minor problems with this as well, in that it starts on both, even if you only want it to start on one of them.;)
I've been using this at work for a couple months now. It sucks. It's so buggy and incomplete. There are so many problems, like getting multiple monitors working with Gnome, or getting that horrible sound daemon working right. There are so many bugs in the configuration menus for gnome/sawmill that it is rediculous.
It's not surprising. Sun chose to go with a POS enviornment like GNOME that is still very Linux oriented, of course there are a lot of problems with it.
That said, it's better than CDE.
Give me windowmaker any day, and keep those feet off my desktop.
I could give a flying f*ck how they look. I need cases that are well made. I want no sharp edges, everything easy to get at - toolless is best, durable - like a good magnesium alloy, well built so everything fits properly and lines up without having to force it, and has good air flow.
Something like SGI's O2 would be awesome. Those things are fantastic. You can stip an O2's hard drives, video/sound board, momboard, power supply, etc. in about 15 seconds, and put it back in just as fast.
Nothing I have ever seen in PC's even vaguely compares.
And for those that still care about looks, the O2 had the 'melted tower' thing going for it.;)
When it makes a difference if you use tabs or spaces, this makes it _less_ readable, because on reading, they _look_ the same. I cut and pasted some tutorial examples from the web a while back, and it wouldn't work until I made the blasted things tabs rather than spaces.
Whitespace as part of the syntax... personally annoying to me, but I can deal. Differentiating between different _types_ of whitespace? That is _BAD_!
Didn't SGI's PC's have an advanced non-PCI bus in them?
Also, didn't they have a BIOS replacement more like SGI's
MIPS computers? I seem to recall this, but can't find any
links. Maybe someone out there remembers?
Much more so than the PCI, we need to kill the PC's BIOS,
and replace it with something actually _good_.
So you have this skanky looking, overly skinny chick in the room with you. Then what? Your company gets bought for an excess of money that is nothing to MS but everything to you, and they own the system they ripped off, so everything is legal again. Right?;)
Somebody mod this one back up. This is very much on topic for text messenging such as this. Many people do this in their cars, and it is almost as much as a hazard as drunks on the roads.
As one example:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_11660 00/1166267.stm
Why, oh why can't we just leave good enough alone? I mean, clay tablets are good enough for anyone. Why did someone have to go out and tinker with the design. Paper, I mean, yeeesh! The stuff burns! We shouldn't ever tweak any designs, it just messes things up!
Why did people have to take apart the math theories of the Pythagorean crowd? It was good enough in their hands alone. I mean nobody else needs that knowledge, right? We should leave stuff like that into the hands of professionals alone.
Especially those computers. I mean, what would happen if just anyone could make one in their garage? I mean, those pros at Apple never started by tinkering, I bet!
And remember, juries _do_ get to judge cases on what they personally believe is "fair". If the jury judges a defendant technically guilty under the law, but the law unfair, the jury can let the defendant off.
Hardly anybody knows this, and informing a jury of this right is often considered jury tampering.
Not all humans are, no. And lumps of unborn pre-human growth sucking up resources from its human host is definitely a parasite. Sometimes it's a wanted parasite that becomes a human, eventually, sometimes not. And sometimes, yes, they do remain parasites even out of the womb.:)
As for the second part, no, if they web site had names of kkk members, and encouraged killing of those people, it would not be any better. They can speak their mind (or whatever it is they have in their heads) as well as anyone. When they advocate killing, and give the people information _with the intent_ of aiding killers that it crosses the line.
The web site can scream 'kill abortion docs' until it's blue in the face, for all I care. It's when they go 'Kill Jack Doeington of DC, working in John Blabbs abortion center' and go 'yeah, he was offed!' after someone killed him that it is wrong. They are doing this with the intent of aiding murderers. When we have a tool that is neutral, but can be used either way, we uphold free speech. When we have a tool that the express purpose is to aid murderers, it should be stopped.
In this case, I think the information _is_ a tool. Providing names and addresses and womb parasite removers is a tool to facilitate these actions. And providing the information on DeCSS is also providing a tool. One's a tool to perfectly good program that will let you view your own DVDs on your own computer, the other is a tool and encouragement for illegal action.
Does this mean we can post names and locations where certain political leaders and their bodyguards are/will be at certain times, and cheer when they are killed?:P
How about details of what weapons the bodyguards carry, as well as defenses such as what bulletproof glass is in what vehicle, etc. How about details to what is the best weapon to take out such defenses?
Um... it was the conservatives with Pete Wilson that did this 'deregulation', not the liberals. Not that the liberals did anything well with it, but they're not the ones that caused it, they just inherited it.
Sweet. I'd love to underclock a few of my boxes at home, or better yet, get stuff that runs at low power and heat to begin with. I've been looking around at 'quiet PC' products and info, and a lot of that has low power reqs.
What I'd _really_ love is a low power (and rugged!) laptop. Maybe something like the Fujitsu LXS, except with a magnesium or titanium case. The one they have looks way too flimsy. I have a toshiba sat. pro now that is cracking and falling apart, and I don't like that. It also gets way too hot!
Where are the cool running, rugged laptops, and cool running, quiet workstations?
Or all the weather satallites the save not only lives by letting us get warning people of hurricanes and such, but to let us grow food more effectively by learning more about weather with these satellites. Medical science has advanced tremendously due to the technologies developed due to the space program. Lighter wheelchairs, artificial limbs, etc. are also benefits of these metals that you dismiss as only good for golf clubs.
We produce _already_ enough food for everyone in the world to eat _well_. People are paid not to grow food. Our problems with starving people will _not_ be solved by pumping money into the problem. Getting rid of NASA/military/other high priced thing that you don't like will _not_ solve this.
You are either ignorant, or a troll. Please either learn something, or shut up, depending on which you are.
Yesterday? I got it last Saturday at a local
music store. I was rather shocked to see it
released already, and just sitting there rather
out of place in their small movie section.
Perhaps it doubles productivity, but how sustainable is that productivity? Burn out is an important thing to avoid. Also, how high is the quality of what these people are doing? Writing twice as many lines of code does _not_ mean you are twice as productive, if you end up with tons of bugs as a result.
Pushing people do do more and to work longer and get things done faster is not the best way to get a productive work enviornment.
I agree. This isn't HA at all. You need clustering to get _true_ non-downtime, and be able to upgrade kernels. One part of the cluster upgrades while the other handles the load, then you switch load and the other part upgrades.
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Probably because I tried Gnome on Linux before as well, and it had similar bugs, when it comes to the GUI configuration tool, at least. It is less buggy, sure, but that doesn't mean it runs well or is without more than its share of bugs. ;)
Keep those feet off my desktop, no matter which OS I'm running.
Not a troll. Yes, I realize this, so stop your shouting. Part of my complain was about the default window manager that came bundled with Sun's gnome packages. Switching to windowmaker does not eliminated my complaints, it just gives be a bad add on to a good windowmanager. gnome still bites ass, and is still quite buggy. I would not recommend it.
;)
openwindows support for multihead? I don't know. Xsun (what they use instead of XFree86) supports it quite well, and both CDE and windowmaker make use of it quite nicely. gnome does not, it only starts on one of the two displays. windowmaker has minor problems with this as well, in that it starts on both, even if you only want it to start on one of them.
I've been using this at work for a couple months now. It sucks. It's so buggy and incomplete. There are so many problems, like getting multiple monitors working with Gnome, or getting that horrible sound daemon working right. There are so many bugs in the configuration menus for gnome/sawmill that it is rediculous.
It's not surprising. Sun chose to go with a POS enviornment like GNOME that is still very Linux oriented, of course there are a lot of problems with it.
That said, it's better than CDE.
Give me windowmaker any day, and keep those feet off my desktop.
I'm paid for 8 hrs/day. I'm at work 9-10 hrs/day (plus 2 hrs/day for commute). I work between 2 and 8 hrs/day, with 6 being about average.
Hehe... and with all those FreeBSD boxes that Hotmail has...
I could give a flying f*ck how they look. I need cases that are well made. I want no sharp edges, everything easy to get at - toolless is best, durable - like a good magnesium alloy, well built so everything fits properly and lines up without having to force it, and has good air flow.
;)
Something like SGI's O2 would be awesome. Those things are fantastic. You can stip an O2's hard drives, video/sound board, momboard, power supply, etc. in about 15 seconds, and put it back in just as fast.
Nothing I have ever seen in PC's even vaguely compares.
And for those that still care about looks, the O2 had the 'melted tower' thing going for it.
When it makes a difference if you use tabs or spaces, this makes it _less_ readable, because on reading, they _look_ the same. I cut and pasted some tutorial examples from the web a while back, and it wouldn't work until I made the blasted things tabs rather than spaces.
Whitespace as part of the syntax... personally annoying to me, but I can deal. Differentiating between different _types_ of whitespace? That is _BAD_!
Didn't SGI's PC's have an advanced non-PCI bus in them?
Also, didn't they have a BIOS replacement more like SGI's
MIPS computers? I seem to recall this, but can't find any
links. Maybe someone out there remembers?
Much more so than the PCI, we need to kill the PC's BIOS,
and replace it with something actually _good_.
So you have this skanky looking, overly skinny chick in the room with you. Then what? Your company gets bought for an excess of money that is nothing to MS but everything to you, and they own the system they ripped off, so everything is legal again. Right? ;)
Somebody mod this one back up. This is very much on topic for text messenging such as this. Many people do this in their cars, and it is almost as much as a hazard as drunks on the roads.
0 00 /1166267.stm
As one example:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/newsid_1166
Why, oh why can't we just leave good enough alone? I mean, clay tablets are good enough for anyone. Why did someone have to go out and tinker with the design. Paper, I mean, yeeesh! The stuff burns! We shouldn't ever tweak any designs, it just messes things up!
Why did people have to take apart the math theories of the Pythagorean crowd? It was good enough in their hands alone. I mean nobody else needs that knowledge, right? We should leave stuff like that into the hands of professionals alone.
Especially those computers. I mean, what would happen if just anyone could make one in their garage? I mean, those pros at Apple never started by tinkering, I bet!
And remember, juries _do_ get to judge cases on what they personally believe is "fair". If the jury judges a defendant technically guilty under the law, but the law unfair, the jury can let the defendant off.
Hardly anybody knows this, and informing a jury of this right is often considered jury tampering.
www.fija.org
Not all humans are, no. And lumps of unborn pre-human growth sucking up resources from its human host is definitely a parasite. Sometimes it's a wanted parasite that becomes a human, eventually, sometimes not. And sometimes, yes, they do remain parasites even out of the womb. :)
As for the second part, no, if they web site had names of kkk members, and encouraged killing of those people, it would not be any better. They can speak their mind (or whatever it is they have in their heads) as well as anyone. When they advocate killing, and give the people information _with the intent_ of aiding killers that it crosses the line.
The web site can scream 'kill abortion docs' until it's blue in the face, for all I care. It's when they go 'Kill Jack Doeington of DC, working in John Blabbs abortion center' and go 'yeah, he was offed!' after someone killed him that it is wrong. They are doing this with the intent of aiding murderers. When we have a tool that is neutral, but can be used either way, we uphold free speech. When we have a tool that the express purpose is to aid murderers, it should be stopped.
See the diff?
In this case, I think the information _is_ a tool. Providing names and addresses and womb parasite removers is a tool to facilitate these actions. And providing the information on DeCSS is also providing a tool. One's a tool to perfectly good program that will let you view your own DVDs on your own computer, the other is a tool and encouragement for illegal action.
I don't think these equate.
Does this mean we can post names and locations where certain political leaders and their bodyguards are/will be at certain times, and cheer when they are killed? :P
How about details of what weapons the bodyguards carry, as well as defenses such as what bulletproof glass is in what vehicle, etc. How about details to what is the best weapon to take out such defenses?
Where is the line drawn?
Um... it was the conservatives with Pete Wilson that did this 'deregulation', not the liberals. Not that the liberals did anything well with it, but they're not the ones that caused it, they just inherited it.
Sweet. I'd love to underclock a few of my boxes at home, or better yet, get stuff that runs at low power and heat to begin with. I've been looking around at 'quiet PC' products and info, and a lot of that has low power reqs.
What I'd _really_ love is a low power (and rugged!) laptop. Maybe something like the Fujitsu LXS, except with a magnesium or titanium case. The one they have looks way too flimsy. I have a toshiba sat. pro now that is cracking and falling apart, and I don't like that. It also gets way too hot!
Where are the cool running, rugged laptops, and cool running, quiet workstations?
Solaris 9. It can't be put in a point release.
;)
Hehe. Solaris 2.8.1 is beta 9. 9 is a point release.
Break apart staroffice? Staroffice 6 aka open office. Get the source. Do what you want.
Gnome as desktop will be in Solaris 9, along
with CDE as the other option.
You want Gnome but not X? Um...
Or all the weather satallites the save not only lives by letting us get warning people of hurricanes and such, but to let us grow food more effectively by learning more about weather with these satellites. Medical science has advanced tremendously due to the technologies developed due to the space program. Lighter wheelchairs, artificial limbs, etc. are also benefits of these metals that you dismiss as only good for golf clubs.
We produce _already_ enough food for everyone in the world to eat _well_. People are paid not to grow food. Our problems with starving people will _not_ be solved by pumping money into the problem. Getting rid of NASA/military/other high priced thing that you don't like will _not_ solve this.
You are either ignorant, or a troll. Please either learn something, or shut up, depending on which you are.
Yesterday? I got it last Saturday at a local
music store. I was rather shocked to see it
released already, and just sitting there rather
out of place in their small movie section.
is to get off this mudball and stop basing time off of the rotations of some pebbles in space. ;)
Really.
Perhaps it doubles productivity, but how sustainable is that productivity? Burn out is an important thing to avoid. Also, how high is the quality of what these people are doing? Writing twice as many lines of code does _not_ mean you are twice as productive, if you end up with tons of bugs as a result.
Pushing people do do more and to work longer and get things done faster is not the best way to get a productive work enviornment.
I agree. This isn't HA at all. You need clustering to get _true_ non-downtime, and be able to upgrade kernels. One part of the cluster upgrades while the other handles the load, then you switch load and the other part upgrades.
Sun gets it right.
http://www.sun.com/fullmoon/
Thanks, Mr. Hicks. :)
For people who don't know:
http://www.billhicks.com/