It's also that set of restrictions that won't let me release VST plug-ins using Juce, Agg 2.5 and a number of other nice GPL'ed projects, as much as I'd like to release my own source under GPL.
Or, rather it's the combination of those restrictions, and the fact that Steinberg won't allow the vstsdk headers to be distributed freely, even though anyone can download them off their site.
Either way, it means less source is released under the GPL.
In all fairness I think our spatial-audio-sensing-inhibited "pro sound engineer" here (he's been wondering for 25 years what that knob on the mixer labelled "pan" does;) meant the elements of the analogy.
If you're not capable of telling the direction of a sound, you've got an auditory perception problem. While sound is "mixed at the eardrum", it keeps it's content of frequency and is then decoded by frequency sensitive cells. This, aided by the fact that we've got two ears, and the acoustic properties of our body (the torso and head specifically) enables us to tell the azimuth and elevation of a sound quite accurately, distance obviously is harder. This is called the head related transfer function. I suggest you read up on human echolocation as well to see just how accurately this system can be used.
And certainly to our conscious focus sound is "maskable". I think most people have tried being in a room with air condition, computers or other more or less noisy equipment and felt relieved when it stopped, though they never really consciously noted the sound before it was gone - or it had slipped out of focus. Thus, though important, it's not as much in how the message is delivered, as in how it is processed afterwards. And though you may be able to keep sound or visuals out of your conscious focus they're still percieved and they still affect you.
Oh!, I'm in luck zsau illustrated quite decently what I wanted to say. Odd that, every poster but you back me up, don't you think?
Double-Oh! And I never mentioned "neon green", so maybe you should check your own quoting skills?
And maybe you should stop acting like a complete jerk just because someone gives you some friendly advise? But it's clear that your pride in your own product disables you from bothering to try to understand what I'm saying. Which is ironic, because you know... Apart from usability issues, Graphics artists also tend to be quite picky about how stuff looks, and if your gui and website didn't look like shit, maybe you would sell more copies. And I do infact think that it's very powerful software.
I really don't care how many people who don't get it laugh at me. 3rd grade understanding indeed...
Not to mention that as a "professional retoucher", you'd be able to differentiate "neon green" from fairly mundane leafy colors. Maybe you should calibrate your monitor.
Yeah, and a pro sound engineer doesn't mind noises from outside and amplifier hum either, he just compensates, right? After all, who can't tell low 50/60hz ground loops from music.
And yes, that is very much a valid analogy. And no the hum and noise doesn't get recorded in the above example.
I consider consulting a process where the nominal consultant doesn't hold opinions they can't back up with facts, and where there is production of value to which I can respond with compensation, a benefit which I am well able to produce. Otherwise, it isn't consulting it's just someone's opinions, and as you know... we all have them. I didn't ask for your opinion, remember. You just threw them out there, and as a courtesy, I responded with my thoughts on what you had to say. If you don't want that to happen... don't comment, I suppose. I reserve the right to inflict my opinion on you if you inflict yours on me, that's all. It's Slashdot, right?
I've got no issue with that. I was just offering you some advice, you didn't want it and I don't feel any need to convince you I'm right. If I want to argue about basic GUI design I'll do it with someone who pays me to, that is all.
And I still think you need to consider just how complex something like Maya or 3dsmax is even without plugins.
Look, I have nothing to gain by convincing you, unless you consider consulting for free a gain. Imo, your GUI is a mess, but if your customers don't mind and you make a living doing the software, congratulations, but really, it's all the same to me.
Anyway, let me reiterate: It's a matter of contrast. Contrast is good for drawing attention to something. But you've got too much contrast going on and attention is drawn from all over the GUI thus confusing the user instead of helping him. You don't need massive bevels to make buttons stand out, you don't need to use variations of pure RGB values to colorcode something. It can all be more subtle and work better overall.
Oh, and I think you need to consider just how complex something like Maya or 3dsmax is even without plugins...
Both replies to parent illustrate what I'm saying quite well.
If you think GUI elements as decoration, you're making a mistake. Think of it in terms of functionality. Every element in a GUI serves a function, intentionally or otherwise. You don't want your tools to interfere with what you're working on unless they're doing exactly what they're intended to do and nothing more. My previous points still stand.
This is free professional advice, no guarantees given. Take it or leave it.
That's a pretty messy GUI you've got there though. The overuse of wide high-contrast bevels is a problem, the same goes for "pure" colors.
You really do not want the GUI in a graphics editor to draw attention away from what you're working on, and for instance a pure color will interact with areas in any variation of that color to confuse the eye (well, brain) so you should use neutral colors in the GUI where ever possible unless you've got a very good reason not to.
One way to make the GUI less busy would be to drop the dividers between buttons and instead make the icons themselves stand apart from each other, perhaps using discreet dividers to indicate groups.
Take a look at Photoshop's GUI, and ask yourself if it looks busy or calm. If you think it looks calm, it's probably because of neutral colors (mostly grayscale), high contrast only where needed to catch the eye, seing the cursor over an arbitrary background, or for readability. And tabs to keep functions you don't need out of the way. Note the size of icons, buttons and bevels too.
If you think it looks busy, it's probably your Windows' theme that's messed up:P
Right. You've got some facts to back this up, right?
For more than 15 years I've been living in an area where we "natives" were outnumbered by muslims about 9 to 1. I think I might have noticed if you were right. For wanting to destroy western civilization the youth is unusually fond of r'n'b, hiphop and rap music... And if most of them wanted to kill me or other native danes, those muslims that are my friends would probably have warned me.
And the exception, ironically, is those of them who think a lot like you.
Stop spewing your ignorant, generalizing bullshit.
Because they're scared of them. Moderate muslims in my country who voice their opinion are often threatened, one told of a meeting with an imam and his bodyguards, they threatened him with knives. Immigrant politician Naser Khader http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naser_Khader lives under constant police protection.
Outnumbering those you disagree with is hardly enough if they're better organised and willing to go to extremes.
Also, log to a database and crossreference unusual amounts of certain chemicals with another database with ingredients for known explosive compounds and you should have an idea if something is "brewing";)
"There are many ways to get someone to confess to their crimes or knowledge without torture."
And many ways to torture someone into confessing someone elses crimes. Forcing people to talk does not guarantee any level of truth, which is why, aside from those pesky human rights, torture really shouldn't even be considered by anyone civilized.
n : the trait of appreciating (and being able to express) the humorous; "she didn't appreciate my humor"; "you can't survive in the army without a sense of humor" [syn: humor, humour, sense of humor]
Your opinions are not necessarily nonsense, stating as a fact that "You don't own the playground" is. You may well question if it is legitimate, but as much as anybody owns anything, we "own the playground" - by sheer force! You may consider us the playground bullies or the parents keeping things in check depending on your point of view, but regarding your statement; we are in control here, all of us, through representative democracy, thus we make the rules and effectively own the land by controlling it. If you like it or not.
You described your ideal world (I'm guessing), with no pointers that it was merely an opinion, I described how things work here.
Next time, try: "Yes - you shouldn't own the playground. Your government might be in charge of stopping the fights that break out, but they shouldn't own it."
That is just nonsense. The people own 'the playground' and the government represents the people. Such is the law here and people seem to agree at least on those basics.
There are many ideas on property and ownership, in the end it depends on your political point of view. I have yet to see the final argument, and you didn't even try. Don't make the mistake of taking for granted what just happens to fit your own agenda. IMO There are no givens on matters such as property, just opinions and arguments. The fact that they are still being discussed after thousands of years, suggest this.
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It's also that set of restrictions that won't let me release VST plug-ins using Juce, Agg 2.5 and a number of other nice GPL'ed projects, as much as I'd like to release my own source under GPL.
Or, rather it's the combination of those restrictions, and the fact that Steinberg won't allow the vstsdk headers to be distributed freely, even though anyone can download them off their site.
Either way, it means less source is released under the GPL.
Yeah, if you just don't tell them the network is turned off, there's no possible way for them to find out... right?
MLUG!
In all fairness I think our spatial-audio-sensing-inhibited "pro sound engineer" here (he's been wondering for 25 years what that knob on the mixer labelled "pan" does
If I could use my mod points in this thread, this post would be +1 funny :D
If you're not capable of telling the direction of a sound, you've got an auditory perception problem. While sound is "mixed at the eardrum", it keeps it's content of frequency and is then decoded by frequency sensitive cells. This, aided by the fact that we've got two ears, and the acoustic properties of our body (the torso and head specifically) enables us to tell the azimuth and elevation of a sound quite accurately, distance obviously is harder. This is called the head related transfer function. I suggest you read up on human echolocation as well to see just how accurately this system can be used.
And certainly to our conscious focus sound is "maskable". I think most people have tried being in a room with air condition, computers or other more or less noisy equipment and felt relieved when it stopped, though they never really consciously noted the sound before it was gone - or it had slipped out of focus. Thus, though important, it's not as much in how the message is delivered, as in how it is processed afterwards. And though you may be able to keep sound or visuals out of your conscious focus they're still percieved and they still affect you.
Oh!, I'm in luck zsau illustrated quite decently what I wanted to say. Odd that, every poster but you back me up, don't you think?
Double-Oh! And I never mentioned "neon green", so maybe you should check your own quoting skills?
And maybe you should stop acting like a complete jerk just because someone gives you some friendly advise? But it's clear that your pride in your own product disables you from bothering to try to understand what I'm saying. Which is ironic, because you know... Apart from usability issues, Graphics artists also tend to be quite picky about how stuff looks, and if your gui and website didn't look like shit, maybe you would sell more copies. And I do infact think that it's very powerful software.
I really don't care how many people who don't get it laugh at me. 3rd grade understanding indeed...
Yeah, and a pro sound engineer doesn't mind noises from outside and amplifier hum either, he just compensates, right? After all, who can't tell low 50/60hz ground loops from music.
And yes, that is very much a valid analogy. And no the hum and noise doesn't get recorded in the above example.
I've got no issue with that. I was just offering you some advice, you didn't want it and I don't feel any need to convince you I'm right. If I want to argue about basic GUI design I'll do it with someone who pays me to, that is all.
And I still think you need to consider just how complex something like Maya or 3dsmax is even without plugins.
Look, I have nothing to gain by convincing you, unless you consider consulting for free a gain. Imo, your GUI is a mess, but if your customers don't mind and you make a living doing the software, congratulations, but really, it's all the same to me.
Anyway, let me reiterate: It's a matter of contrast. Contrast is good for drawing attention to something. But you've got too much contrast going on and attention is drawn from all over the GUI thus confusing the user instead of helping him. You don't need massive bevels to make buttons stand out, you don't need to use variations of pure RGB values to colorcode something. It can all be more subtle and work better overall.
Oh, and I think you need to consider just how complex something like Maya or 3dsmax is even without plugins...
And that'll be my last words on this matter.
Both replies to parent illustrate what I'm saying quite well.
If you think GUI elements as decoration, you're making a mistake. Think of it in terms of functionality. Every element in a GUI serves a function, intentionally or otherwise. You don't want your tools to interfere with what you're working on unless they're doing exactly what they're intended to do and nothing more. My previous points still stand.
This is free professional advice, no guarantees given. Take it or leave it.
That's a pretty messy GUI you've got there though. The overuse of wide high-contrast bevels is a problem, the same goes for "pure" colors.
:P
You really do not want the GUI in a graphics editor to draw attention away from what you're working on, and for instance a pure color will interact with areas in any variation of that color to confuse the eye (well, brain) so you should use neutral colors in the GUI where ever possible unless you've got a very good reason not to.
One way to make the GUI less busy would be to drop the dividers between buttons and instead make the icons themselves stand apart from each other, perhaps using discreet dividers to indicate groups.
Take a look at Photoshop's GUI, and ask yourself if it looks busy or calm. If you think it looks calm, it's probably because of neutral colors (mostly grayscale), high contrast only where needed to catch the eye, seing the cursor over an arbitrary background, or for readability. And tabs to keep functions you don't need out of the way. Note the size of icons, buttons and bevels too.
If you think it looks busy, it's probably your Windows' theme that's messed up
What I'd like to know is: Are there any breaking changes? Will 2.4 modules and code still work?
You forgot the last part: "- Or you could just walk away, but then you don't get to distribute derived works."
Right. You've got some facts to back this up, right?
For more than 15 years I've been living in an area where we "natives" were outnumbered by muslims about 9 to 1. I think I might have noticed if you were right. For wanting to destroy western civilization the youth is unusually fond of r'n'b, hiphop and rap music... And if most of them wanted to kill me or other native danes, those muslims that are my friends would probably have warned me.
And the exception, ironically, is those of them who think a lot like you.
Stop spewing your ignorant, generalizing bullshit.
Because they're scared of them. Moderate muslims in my country who voice their opinion are often threatened, one told of a meeting with an imam and his bodyguards, they threatened him with knives. Immigrant politician Naser Khader http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naser_Khader lives under constant police protection.
Outnumbering those you disagree with is hardly enough if they're better organised and willing to go to extremes.
Also, log to a database and crossreference unusual amounts of certain chemicals with another database with ingredients for known explosive compounds and you should have an idea if something is "brewing" ;)
Rare, yes. But not unheard of.
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http://www.theregister.co.uk/2004/10/08/fbi_indym
http://www.indymedia.org.uk/en/2004/10/298741.htm
Yeah, like that was ever a problem for slashdotters...
I don't know... Force her to undergo sex change surgery and then fire him? Sounds a bit harsh to me.
"There are many ways to get someone to confess to their crimes or knowledge without torture."
And many ways to torture someone into confessing someone elses crimes. Forcing people to talk does not guarantee any level of truth, which is why, aside from those pesky human rights, torture really shouldn't even be considered by anyone civilized.
I think you're comparing apples to ...nevermind. :P
n : the trait of appreciating (and being able to express) the humorous; "she didn't appreciate my humor"; "you can't survive in the army without a sense of humor" [syn: humor, humour, sense of humor]
Your opinions are not necessarily nonsense, stating as a fact that "You don't own the playground" is. You may well question if it is legitimate, but as much as anybody owns anything, we "own the playground" - by sheer force! You may consider us the playground bullies or the parents keeping things in check depending on your point of view, but regarding your statement; we are in control here, all of us, through representative democracy, thus we make the rules and effectively own the land by controlling it. If you like it or not.
You described your ideal world (I'm guessing), with no pointers that it was merely an opinion, I described how things work here.
Next time, try: "Yes - you shouldn't own the playground. Your government might be in charge of stopping the fights that break out, but they shouldn't own it."
Oh, and I don't often get upset.
That is just nonsense. The people own 'the playground' and the government represents the people. Such is the law here and people seem to agree at least on those basics.
There are many ideas on property and ownership, in the end it depends on your political point of view. I have yet to see the final argument, and you didn't even try. Don't make the mistake of taking for granted what just happens to fit your own agenda. IMO There are no givens on matters such as property, just opinions and arguments. The fact that they are still being discussed after thousands of years, suggest this.