The democracy doesn't bring a legitimate government,
You still haven't used a single word to explain why government is not legitimate.
it just focuses on who has the power - namely the majority of the people. Any kind of power is possible in a democracy, it does not rule out absolutism or totalitarism at all.
Agreed.
What really matters are: what are the limits of the power? And yes a democracy is more likely to bring up a government with limited powers than any other system.
And is thus a lesser evil than no government. Unless you would claim that 'no government' is not also a system.
Samba would have an easier job if reverse engineer was completly, it is in Europe but not in the US where this interdiction is enforced by the governments and NOT by contract.
That made very little sense to me...
Second an open standard instead of smb has its competitve advantages.
Agreed, and you know what? Getting an open smb is one of the goals of the EU case against Microsoft...
If Microsoft is being bundled with computers that's too bad for us geeks but we shouldn't blame the goverment. There are vendors who sell without an OS, even with linux sometimes. Use those!
I'm not blaming government, that seems to be your area;) - I am blaming Microsoft and I am glad that there is a body representing me that has the will and power to handle Microsoft. A capitalist free market without regulation is utopia and even with regulation Microsoft is barely kept responsible to the letter of the law!
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People can make their own decisions.
I'll remember that if I'm ever in california and need, say, a photographer:P
I trust that you have better arguments than a statement on this? The countries in the EU have well established democracies and thus the power of government in these countries is entrusted by the people - in Denmark, where I come from usually more than 80% of people vote. Without government, someone else will try to take power, causing instability and certainly the result will be a far less legitimate distribution of power. See what is happening in Somalia.
The European Union does have it's problems, but the Microsoft case certainly isn't a symptom on this. On the contrary, by forcing Microsoft to open up it's API's interoperability will be easier and for example Samba wouldn't have to reverse engineer the protocols it needs to make the software work.
While you may not have been forced to use Windows, I couldn't buy the laptop I wanted without Windows and was thus forced to pay for it if I needed it or not - 'fortunately' I do need it as I am dependent on software that only runs in Windows. Coercive or not, Microsoft has powers that only a monopoly can have, and the examples of it using them are countless. Your argument has been disputed over and over again, so I suggest you bring something new to the table or ditch it.
Remember; Democracy is the worst kind of government, except all the others that have been tried. And let me add to this, that everyting points in the direction that some form of government seems inevitable. Look up government and tell me it's not...
In fact, it may be argued that Microsoft has or has had governance over pc distributors by being able to force them to bundle Windows with every computer sold, through their de facto monopoly.
Oh, the irony.
Where as Apple is putting an artificial limit on use of the music they sell you, it's quite reasonable to expect that a PS2 game won't work in an Xbox.
Ah yes, the Let's-use-lead-in-the-aquaducts-romans - and in many other items used with food too...
I seem to recall that some polar expedition failed because they'd packaged all their food in lead containers too.
And even today, many bands use a lead guitarist!
Thank you, I'll be here all day! (Bring eggs and tomatos...)
Just to clarify: "Today, art is very much about reference and association" means just that, and not "Today, art is very much about self-reference and self-association" as you may have interpreted it.
In other words, art deals with everything (usually not at once though:). And you can use anything to make art.
I totally agree, but that part about being honest with yourself, that's the hard one. How can you tell if you're being honest with yourself? If you suffer from these conditions, it's likely that you've been building up this dishonesty to yourself and these misperceptions over several years. You're not going to change that and realize overnight that you haven't been honest to yourself.
Modern art may be meaningless unless you take the time to try and understand it, much like any other human activity that's evolved for thousands of years. You can't just go to a museum or a gallery and demand to understand everything you see, heck, much of what's exhibited I don't get, but when you do get it, it can be wonderful!
One problem I think is, no one likes feeling stupid, so, if you don't understand a work of art, what do you choose to blame? the artist, the work or yourself? (Imo it has nothing to do with stupidity, just for the record)
And what exactly would art be like if it was playing for the public? Is it possible for art to be easily accessible and still have substance?
I don't know. I kind of hope so, but what I do know is that if you want to read a book, you gotta know the basics of reading first.
Considering that the museums that display modern art are getting bigger and have plenty of visitors (atleast here in Europe), I'd say that infact the general public's view on art isn't as bad as you would have us believe.
Before pop art, art may have been for the selected few, but since then it's been on the rise as far as I know.
So, is that text about the specific work, ie. the actual painting if we're talking Dali or Miro?
Today, art is very much about reference and association (sorry, no, it's not really about the pretty pictures) so if an artist can get the courts word that by referencing his/her work you are mutilating or distorting it and you are prohibited from this practice, art will effectively be at a dead end (and will end up being about the pretty pictures, which would be so very boring imo...)
Also, I can think of a few existing works of art that could be in trouble under these rules, such as Robert Rauschenberg's "Erased de Kooning Drawing" (an important work too!) and some others that would be obscure to mention here (I think RR got both permission and the drawing from de Kooning, though).
Anyway, these google logos are all artistic interpretations of the works of an artist, they honour the artist and should be well within what's allowed.
I totally agree with you, and the reason is; I think most cases of addiction comes from low self-esteem. If you're the kind of person that reacts with escapism to your problems, anything that let's you focus on something else can be addictive, in the worst cases self-mutilation.
The fact that some people get addicted to hurting themselves says a thing or too about addiction as a concept I'd say. And what I think it says is, society needs to focus on why people end up with these addictions and how to prevent it from happening, rather than focusing on what is essentially a discussion of morals. (And really only serve to further stigmatize these people).
The problem is, if external pressure on you gets too high, you either break down or do what is known as coping. You might start avoiding situations similar to those under which you experience pressure, and after a while situations similar to these, in a vicious circle, building up more associations of bad experience.
Or, you might have simply learned from watching your parents, that this or that situation should be avoided, starting the downward spiral from there.
So why are some people prone to this, while others under similar circumstances seem to do fine? That's the question society should seek to answer, not if porn/drugs/chocolate/sex/WoW/slashdot is good or bad for us.
On a personal level though, by all means ask yourself if what you're doing is doing you good or bad! And then ask if you were being honest to yourself when you answered the previous question.
Hope that made sense, I'm not as good at english as I'd like:)
What's really good about python imo, is the "live" interpreter, I'm not very experienced as programming goes, and it helps me a lot to be able to see what happens to the data underways and how it's organized.
The many modules help a lot too - so far there's been one when I looked for one... PIL, numpy, scipy, etc.
But for cpu intensive stuff it's a bit slow.
You know what's the worst about this "insidious thought process" we're all suffering over here? We don't even feel enslaved! Infact, I didn't know I was a slave before you told me. Amazing isn't it. I didn't know I was being censored either... But I do recall a case from the U.S. about this guy with anti-war stickers on his car being bullied by Homeland Security Officers(tm). Otoh, the prime minister of my country, with whom I do not usually agree, is currently standing up for freedom of speech.
Anyway, you're a troll so let's just cut through the crap and get to the important stuff...
You're pretty fucking ignorant, you know that? Try too look all all the shades between black and white some day. But wait, there's more! There are real colors too! (But then, colors are a load of hippy crap anyway, I suppose)
Why do you think there are so many sects of Christianity if the bible is so crystal clear?
For the same reason that there are so many other religions; "The others are wrong, they were mislead by the devil" etc.
Once you are willing to hold a fundamentalist belief in something you read in a book, several millenia old, which can not be proved nor dismissed, there are no boundaries to what you might be forced to believe to defend your position, logic or not.
That's a rather single-sided edit of what happened.
You have to take into account the murder of Theo van Gogh, the attack on the lecturer at the Carsten Niebuhr Institute and the fact that Danish author Kåre Bluitgen had trouble finding illustrators for his childrens book about the prophet Muhammed, due to fear of violent reactions from Islamists.
These cases were the reason the paper decided to publish the cartoons, if you take their word for it.
Also, the religious rule against depicting the prophet does not seem to be generel as muslims have certainly depicted him before. In Iran, posters of him are sold on the street. Dali painted him (well, he painted something:)
About Denmark "festering in xenophobia and inflamed rhetoric"; yes certain (populist) political figures are behaving like this, and it does get a lot of attention in the media. Fortunately I still think the majority of danes are people that, like me (and I asume you), just want to live peacefully side by side with other people regardless of origin and political, religious and sexual preferences.
Very convincing point, not that I had any doubts myself. ...Unless of course, like vertinox points out above, the cold war was faked as well:)
But well, if you're willing to believe that, you probably aren't worth debating with anyway.
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The democracy doesn't bring a legitimate government,
;) - I am blaming Microsoft and I am glad that there is a body representing me that has the will and power to handle Microsoft. A capitalist free market without regulation is utopia and even with regulation Microsoft is barely kept responsible to the letter of the law!
You still haven't used a single word to explain why government is not legitimate.
it just focuses on who has the power - namely the majority of the people. Any kind of power is possible in a democracy, it does not rule out absolutism or totalitarism at all.
Agreed.
What really matters are: what are the limits of the power? And yes a democracy is more likely to bring up a government with limited powers than any other system.
And is thus a lesser evil than no government. Unless you would claim that 'no government' is not also a system.
Samba would have an easier job if reverse engineer was completly, it is in Europe but not in the US where this interdiction is enforced by the governments and NOT by contract.
That made very little sense to me...
Second an open standard instead of smb has its competitve advantages.
Agreed, and you know what? Getting an open smb is one of the goals of the EU case against Microsoft...
If Microsoft is being bundled with computers that's too bad for us geeks but we shouldn't blame the goverment. There are vendors who sell without an OS, even with linux sometimes. Use those!
I'm not blaming government, that seems to be your area
People can make their own decisions. :P
I'll remember that if I'm ever in california and need, say, a photographer
Who is suggesting banning Microsoft from doing business in the EU?
Second: ANY government is illegitimate.
I trust that you have better arguments than a statement on this? The countries in the EU have well established democracies and thus the power of government in these countries is entrusted by the people - in Denmark, where I come from usually more than 80% of people vote. Without government, someone else will try to take power, causing instability and certainly the result will be a far less legitimate distribution of power. See what is happening in Somalia.
The European Union does have it's problems, but the Microsoft case certainly isn't a symptom on this. On the contrary, by forcing Microsoft to open up it's API's interoperability will be easier and for example Samba wouldn't have to reverse engineer the protocols it needs to make the software work.
While you may not have been forced to use Windows, I couldn't buy the laptop I wanted without Windows and was thus forced to pay for it if I needed it or not - 'fortunately' I do need it as I am dependent on software that only runs in Windows. Coercive or not, Microsoft has powers that only a monopoly can have, and the examples of it using them are countless. Your argument has been disputed over and over again, so I suggest you bring something new to the table or ditch it.
Remember; Democracy is the worst kind of government, except all the others that have been tried. And let me add to this, that everyting points in the direction that some form of government seems inevitable. Look up government and tell me it's not...
In fact, it may be argued that Microsoft has or has had governance over pc distributors by being able to force them to bundle Windows with every computer sold, through their de facto monopoly.
Oh, the irony.
Indeed. Comply to our laws, or else...
If Microsoft wants to play on our playground, they will have to play by our rules. Do you think that is unfair?
Or tell them the next time you fix something, to use this and that software if they want your help in the future?
Would you have swapped the US for metropolitan Tokyo?
:P
Well... The japanese are a bit weird... But yes, definetely
In the words of Zack de la Rocha:
What? The land of the free?
Whoever told you that is your enemy
Making more sense every day it seems:(
You must be new here... On Earth.
Ah, but isn't it obvious; the hyphens are from hyphenspace...
EXCELLENT JOKE.
Where as Apple is putting an artificial limit on use of the music they sell you, it's quite reasonable to expect that a PS2 game won't work in an Xbox.
Ah yes, the Let's-use-lead-in-the-aquaducts-romans - and in many other items used with food too...
I seem to recall that some polar expedition failed because they'd packaged all their food in lead containers too.
And even today, many bands use a lead guitarist!
Thank you, I'll be here all day! (Bring eggs and tomatos...)
I believe, technically, copyright would belong to his parents :P
Just to clarify: "Today, art is very much about reference and association" means just that, and not "Today, art is very much about self-reference and self-association" as you may have interpreted it.
:). And you can use anything to make art.
In other words, art deals with everything (usually not at once though
Those cells are called "morons". ...EXCELLENT JOKE THORSTEN!
I totally agree, but that part about being honest with yourself, that's the hard one. How can you tell if you're being honest with yourself? If you suffer from these conditions, it's likely that you've been building up this dishonesty to yourself and these misperceptions over several years. You're not going to change that and realize overnight that you haven't been honest to yourself.
Most people will need help to move on...
Modern art may be meaningless unless you take the time to try and understand it, much like any other human activity that's evolved for thousands of years. You can't just go to a museum or a gallery and demand to understand everything you see, heck, much of what's exhibited I don't get, but when you do get it, it can be wonderful!
One problem I think is, no one likes feeling stupid, so, if you don't understand a work of art, what do you choose to blame? the artist, the work or yourself? (Imo it has nothing to do with stupidity, just for the record)
And what exactly would art be like if it was playing for the public? Is it possible for art to be easily accessible and still have substance?
I don't know. I kind of hope so, but what I do know is that if you want to read a book, you gotta know the basics of reading first.
Considering that the museums that display modern art are getting bigger and have plenty of visitors (atleast here in Europe), I'd say that infact the general public's view on art isn't as bad as you would have us believe.
Before pop art, art may have been for the selected few, but since then it's been on the rise as far as I know.
So, is that text about the specific work, ie. the actual painting if we're talking Dali or Miro?
Today, art is very much about reference and association (sorry, no, it's not really about the pretty pictures) so if an artist can get the courts word that by referencing his/her work you are mutilating or distorting it and you are prohibited from this practice, art will effectively be at a dead end (and will end up being about the pretty pictures, which would be so very boring imo...)
Also, I can think of a few existing works of art that could be in trouble under these rules, such as Robert Rauschenberg's "Erased de Kooning Drawing" (an important work too!) and some others that would be obscure to mention here (I think RR got both permission and the drawing from de Kooning, though).
Anyway, these google logos are all artistic interpretations of the works of an artist, they honour the artist and should be well within what's allowed.
I totally agree with you, and the reason is; I think most cases of addiction comes from low self-esteem. If you're the kind of person that reacts with escapism to your problems, anything that let's you focus on something else can be addictive, in the worst cases self-mutilation.
:)
The fact that some people get addicted to hurting themselves says a thing or too about addiction as a concept I'd say. And what I think it says is, society needs to focus on why people end up with these addictions and how to prevent it from happening, rather than focusing on what is essentially a discussion of morals. (And really only serve to further stigmatize these people).
The problem is, if external pressure on you gets too high, you either break down or do what is known as coping. You might start avoiding situations similar to those under which you experience pressure, and after a while situations similar to these, in a vicious circle, building up more associations of bad experience.
Or, you might have simply learned from watching your parents, that this or that situation should be avoided, starting the downward spiral from there.
So why are some people prone to this, while others under similar circumstances seem to do fine? That's the question society should seek to answer, not if porn/drugs/chocolate/sex/WoW/slashdot is good or bad for us.
On a personal level though, by all means ask yourself if what you're doing is doing you good or bad! And then ask if you were being honest to yourself when you answered the previous question.
Hope that made sense, I'm not as good at english as I'd like
What's really good about python imo, is the "live" interpreter, I'm not very experienced as programming goes, and it helps me a lot to be able to see what happens to the data underways and how it's organized. The many modules help a lot too - so far there's been one when I looked for one... PIL, numpy, scipy, etc. But for cpu intensive stuff it's a bit slow.
You know what's the worst about this "insidious thought process" we're all suffering over here? We don't even feel enslaved! Infact, I didn't know I was a slave before you told me. Amazing isn't it. I didn't know I was being censored either... But I do recall a case from the U.S. about this guy with anti-war stickers on his car being bullied by Homeland Security Officers(tm). Otoh, the prime minister of my country, with whom I do not usually agree, is currently standing up for freedom of speech.
Anyway, you're a troll so let's just cut through the crap and get to the important stuff...
You're pretty fucking ignorant, you know that? Try too look all all the shades between black and white some day. But wait, there's more! There are real colors too! (But then, colors are a load of hippy crap anyway, I suppose)
Why do you think there are so many sects of Christianity if the bible is so crystal clear?
For the same reason that there are so many other religions; "The others are wrong, they were mislead by the devil" etc.
Once you are willing to hold a fundamentalist belief in something you read in a book, several millenia old, which can not be proved nor dismissed, there are no boundaries to what you might be forced to believe to defend your position, logic or not.
That's a rather single-sided edit of what happened.
:)
You have to take into account the murder of Theo van Gogh, the attack on the lecturer at the Carsten Niebuhr Institute and the fact that Danish author Kåre Bluitgen had trouble finding illustrators for his childrens book about the prophet Muhammed, due to fear of violent reactions from Islamists.
These cases were the reason the paper decided to publish the cartoons, if you take their word for it.
Also, the religious rule against depicting the prophet does not seem to be generel as muslims have certainly depicted him before. In Iran, posters of him are sold on the street. Dali painted him (well, he painted something
The wikipedia article has loads more info...
About Denmark "festering in xenophobia and inflamed rhetoric"; yes certain (populist) political figures are behaving like this, and it does get a lot of attention in the media. Fortunately I still think the majority of danes are people that, like me (and I asume you), just want to live peacefully side by side with other people regardless of origin and political, religious and sexual preferences.
- Another Dane.
Very convincing point, not that I had any doubts myself.
...Unless of course, like vertinox points out above, the cold war was faked as well :)
But well, if you're willing to believe that, you probably aren't worth debating with anyway.
And maybe even get you laid!