Hey this is cool. Maybe I'm wrong but aren't these the first 3D games being done by Loki?!?! Interstate 82' and Heavy Gear 2. I'm psyched because there'll finally be a good racing/driving game in Linux. I'll be the first kid on my block with that one I tell ya. Now if they can only sign up a deal with Electronic Arts for the Need For Speed Series, I'd be in heaven.
It's interesting to see how much this idea of 'run it all on the server' is making a big comeback these days. That's the way my employerer (who will remain unnamed) is going...we are deploying Citrix to run lots of software all on the server. Is it a good idea, who can say? I personally favor having the client do SOME of the grunt work even though I am also enticed by the benefits of network-centric computing. It sounds like this Corel/Graphon solution is a strictly Super-Server/Dumb Terminal solution.
Could you give out one of those battery powered motor-beanies:-) I used to have a real beany with a propeller on it but I gave it to my (now ex) girlfriend. Still looking for another like it.
It's not the lack of documentation, but what has to be done to configure a linux box. Alot of the documentation is old and many tasks still have to be done from a command line. Documentation is pointless at that point because the typical users is going to toss it right out the window the minute he/she discovers they have to go in and do some typing. Everyone has their favorite input method, be it GUI or CLI. For those of you who argue that CLI is better, you may be right, but by no means are millions of windows-bred users going to use command line tools EVEN IF it is more intuitive. The only hope is in standard GUI based configuration utilities... and I mean STANDARD because now each distribution stubbornly chooses to do it their own way. Theres Linuxconf, YaST, Coas, the list goes on and on. It's pretty frustrating for a new linux user when he goes out and buys a book and the books prefferred configuration tools don't apply to the distro of Linux he's using.
I'm hopeful that the desktop environments (prefferably KDE but perhaps gnome) come to the rescue and provide a set of config applets that work across different distro's. Theres little hope of a Red Hat, or Caldera bending and adopting tools used in another distro.
I didn't see any mention of BeOS and MacOS10, unless maybe I didn't look hard enough. BeOS *COULD* be a decent web server I'd imagine, after all it is loosely based on UNIX. MacOS10, havn't heard much mention of that these days but I know it too has a web server and also is based on UNIX. It would be nice for once to see an objective report that doesn't waste all it's time rambling about windows and give equal coverage to all these solutions.
I'm not going to be a troll and say M$ was bought off but ZDNet doesn't exactly have a reputation for being very objective about things. I wish I had the real numbers handy at this moment but I wasn't imagining things when I saw a benchmark showing Linux beat NT under high loads (scalability)
I wouldn't think threatened, but definitly insulted. The underlying assumption they're making by putting up such a page is... "we know you tried linux, and now that your done playing games heres how to put a real OS back on your system". Yeah Right!
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I think the real concern with this, as with any technology, is it ALWAYS finds it's way into the wrong hands. Often, noble intents have unpredicted results. It's matter of fact now that Albert Einstein spent the final years of his life protesting nuclear warfare. And it doesn't matter what decisions are made, those with evil intent will figure it out eventually IF in fact it can be done. Besides, the impression I get is that they are not really "creating" anything at all, but splicing together 300 someodd already living and material components. Kinda like taking one guys brain and anothers lungs and gluing them together. Creation in a true sense is starting something from nothing... they at best can build with prefabricated materials.
If that's the case, lets have a contest to see who of us can train our newborn infant to configure sox and sendmail before he can talk. You can start out gently, maybe by getting him a toy tux the penguin doll:-)
Evil Bill: "You see mister Bond, with the press of this button all your personal info will be broadcast to the world... and your spy career RUINED.. muhahahaha"
007: "You can't do this... you... you... you monster! Ok ok I'll talk"
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see Red Hat do this good deed for Mozilla... but heck, I'm just not excited about this anymore a year later. I'm really hopeful that Konquerer with KDE2 will be as good as the reports I'm hearing. If it is, it is unlikely that I'll open up a sepparate browser when I've already got all that functionality built into my KDE desktop. Despite M$ evil intents of integrating IE so closely to it's OS, one must admit that it has it's advantages. Combined with QT2's improved themeability... Konquerer my be some real competion for my Neoplanet/IE combo on that other OS.
The thing I miss most about BBS's are the ANSI art galleries... some of them ANSI artists were really tallented. I remember my first BBS I was a member had a choice of color/b&w when I first logged in. It was good for those who still had measly 300 baud modems. Then there were the BBS games where you had so many turns a day. There was this space war game (forgot what it was called) that I was addicted to for months. Ahhh memories:-)
Ok, be warned... this comment is Inflammatory, Flamebait(tm), Troll babble and whatever else you wish to call it but I'm going to say it anyway because I've got a very strong opion about this (no matter what this does to my Karma)...
All this said, IMNSHO Wine is a failure and will not amount to anything worthwhile. I've been using Linux faithfully since 1996 and back in those days had high hopes for wine. Over 3 years later sad to say I still not cannot reliably run even the simplest 32 bit apps. Even some 16 bit apps like file mangler do not work flawlessly. Not to say wine doesn't amaze me at times, I was really intrigued to see it render a complete map in Delorme Street Atlas 5.0... but after that it just froze like a rock. Here are the reasons wine is a waste of time...
a) Microsoft changes their API constantly, no one really knows how it works except for them. Anyone ever wonder why Microsoft apps "just work better" on windows than the competition?
b) By the time wine is done, all those apps will have better native linux equivelents.
c) (similar to b) All the manpower being put into wine could better be spent cranking out similar applications for linux.
d)There are much simpler ways of running windows apps under the Linux environment... VMWare to name one. I'd really like to see the whole wine team scrap wine and start working on a freeware PC hardware emulator instead. That way I could run my BeOS apps in a window next to my windows apps (all under Linux).
And now, to divert for a moment to a slightly off-topic subject, one big thing that keeps most of us going back to windows is GAMES. At least *I* don't care if I never see Microsoft Office again, but I feel bad about leaving behind Need For Speed 4. Now... most big game companies develop for the PlayStation, Nintendo, etc, and then the PC. Fortunately, game system API's can't change every 5 minutes like Microsoft directX seems to be doing. Heres an oportunity folks to draw some serious attention to Linux as a gaming platform. As seen with Bleem (a game system emulator for windows)... a emulator with native bindings can produce rather good performance on a PC for console games.
When Sun first announced that they were dropping Java Workstop and Java Studio, this was a good thing because it provided incentive for other companies to provide the tools. Now sun has all of a sudden jumped back into the tools market. I'm sure it's no coincidence that JW was dropped and Netbeans aquired in this short a span of time. I know I personally would be more satisfied to see Sun concentrate on the Java itself and delivering it's write once run anywhere promise on more platforms. It would also help improve java's image as an "open" standard if Sun leaves tool development up to the companies that do it best.
I think Sun's fundamental vision of network computing is the right way of doing things. People seem to get all up in arms when mentioning network computing.. they think it's like communism or something. I like to remind such folks that a NT workstation with an administrative password is just as restrictive. So... I wish these people would just stop whining. Also, contrary to popular belief... a network computer can be just as customizable as a workstation if the software is well designed. Provided I could afford a fast enough connection to the internet... I'd just assume never have to install another program locally again. As far as Sun's taking shots at Microsoft... good for them. M$ is a enemy of Unix, in any way , shape and form. I think that for anyone that stands up for Unix (whatever form)... it's a GoodThing TM.
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Hey this is cool. Maybe I'm wrong but aren't these the first 3D games being done by Loki?!?! Interstate 82' and Heavy Gear 2. I'm psyched because there'll finally be a good racing/driving game in Linux. I'll be the first kid on my block with that one I tell ya. Now if they can only sign up a deal with Electronic Arts for the Need For Speed Series, I'd be in heaven.
It's interesting to see how much this idea of 'run it all on the server' is making a big comeback these days. That's the way my employerer (who will remain unnamed) is going...we are deploying Citrix to run lots of software all on the server. Is it a good idea, who can say? I personally favor having the client do SOME of the grunt work even though I am also enticed by the benefits of network-centric computing. It sounds like this Corel/Graphon solution is a strictly Super-Server/Dumb Terminal solution.
Could you give out one of those battery powered motor-beanies
I'm a nudist, I'm always looking for ways to take my clothes off in public
It's not the lack of documentation, but what has to be done to configure a linux box. Alot of the documentation is old and many tasks still have to be done from a command line. Documentation is pointless at that point because the typical users is going to toss it right out the window the minute he/she discovers they have to go in and do some typing. Everyone has their favorite input method, be it GUI or CLI. For those of you who argue that CLI is better, you may be right, but by no means are millions of windows-bred users going to use command line tools EVEN IF it is more intuitive. The only hope is in standard GUI based configuration utilities... and I mean STANDARD because now each distribution stubbornly chooses to do it their own way. Theres Linuxconf, YaST, Coas, the list goes on and on. It's pretty frustrating for a new linux user when he goes out and buys a book and the books prefferred configuration tools don't apply to the distro of Linux he's using.
I'm hopeful that the desktop environments (prefferably KDE but perhaps gnome) come to the rescue and provide a set of config applets that work across different distro's. Theres little hope of a Red Hat, or Caldera bending and adopting tools used in another distro.
I didn't see any mention of BeOS and MacOS10, unless maybe I didn't look hard enough. BeOS *COULD* be a decent web server I'd imagine, after all it is loosely based on UNIX. MacOS10, havn't heard much mention of that these days but I know it too has a web server and also is based on UNIX. It would be nice for once to see an objective report that doesn't waste all it's time rambling about windows and give equal coverage to all these solutions.
Ooh, I'm feeling insightful today
I'm not going to be a troll and say M$ was bought off but ZDNet doesn't exactly have a reputation for being very objective about things. I wish I had the real numbers handy at this moment but I wasn't imagining things when I saw a benchmark showing Linux beat NT under high loads (scalability)
I wonder how long it'll take before they become a Microsoft Partner.
I wouldn't think threatened, but definitly insulted. The underlying assumption they're making by putting up such a page is
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Question: Isn't Caldera a public company as well? How has there stock done compared to Red Hat?
I think the real concern with this, as with any technology, is it ALWAYS finds it's way into the wrong hands. Often, noble intents have unpredicted results. It's matter of fact now that Albert Einstein spent the final years of his life protesting nuclear warfare. And it doesn't matter what decisions are made, those with evil intent will figure it out eventually IF in fact it can be done. Besides, the impression I get is that they are not really "creating" anything at all, but splicing together 300 someodd already living and material components. Kinda like taking one guys brain and anothers lungs and gluing them together. Creation in a true sense is starting something from nothing... they at best can build with prefabricated materials.
YES YES YES YES!!!
If that's the case, lets have a contest to see who of us can train our newborn infant to configure sox and sendmail before he can talk. You can start out gently, maybe by getting him a toy tux the penguin doll :-)
Evil Bill: "You see mister Bond, with the press of this button all your personal info will be broadcast to the world... and your spy career RUINED.. muhahahaha"
007: "You can't do this... you... you... you monster! Ok ok I'll talk"
Evil Bill: "No Mr. Bond, I expect you to die!"
Maybe the mad hatters were upset about Corel choosing debian as a foundation rather than theirs. Maybe they wish to due very unkind things to Corel :-)
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad to see Red Hat do this good deed for Mozilla... but heck, I'm just not excited about this anymore a year later. I'm really hopeful that Konquerer with KDE2 will be as good as the reports I'm hearing. If it is, it is unlikely that I'll open up a sepparate browser when I've already got all that functionality built into my KDE desktop. Despite M$ evil intents of integrating IE so closely to it's OS, one must admit that it has it's advantages. Combined with QT2's improved themeability... Konquerer my be some real competion for my Neoplanet/IE combo on that other OS.
The thing I miss most about BBS's are the ANSI art galleries... some of them ANSI artists were really tallented. I remember my first BBS I was a member had a choice of color/b&w when I first logged in. It was good for those who still had measly 300 baud modems. Then there were the BBS games where you had so many turns a day. There was this space war game (forgot what it was called) that I was addicted to for months. Ahhh memories :-)
Ok, be warned... this comment is Inflammatory, Flamebait(tm), Troll babble and whatever else you wish to call it but I'm going to say it anyway because I've got a very strong opion about this (no matter what this does to my Karma)...
All this said, IMNSHO Wine is a failure and will not amount to anything worthwhile. I've been using Linux faithfully since 1996 and back in those days had high hopes for wine. Over 3 years later sad to say I still not cannot reliably run even the simplest 32 bit apps. Even some 16 bit apps like file mangler do not work flawlessly. Not to say wine doesn't amaze me at times, I was really intrigued to see it render a complete map in Delorme Street Atlas 5.0... but after that it just froze like a rock. Here are the reasons wine is a waste of time...
a) Microsoft changes their API constantly, no one really knows how it works except for them. Anyone ever wonder why Microsoft apps "just work better" on windows than the competition?
b) By the time wine is done, all those apps will have better native linux equivelents.
c) (similar to b) All the manpower being put into wine could better be spent cranking out similar applications for linux.
d)There are much simpler ways of running windows apps under the Linux environment... VMWare to name one. I'd really like to see the whole wine team scrap wine and start working on a freeware PC hardware emulator instead. That way I could run my BeOS apps in a window next to my windows apps (all under Linux).
And now, to divert for a moment to a slightly off-topic subject, one big thing that keeps most of us going back to windows is GAMES. At least *I* don't care if I never see Microsoft Office again, but I feel bad about leaving behind Need For Speed 4. Now... most big game companies develop for the PlayStation, Nintendo, etc, and then the PC. Fortunately, game system API's can't change every 5 minutes like Microsoft directX seems to be doing. Heres an oportunity folks to draw some serious attention to Linux as a gaming platform. As seen with Bleem (a game system emulator for windows)... a emulator with native bindings can produce rather good performance on a PC for console games.
When Sun first announced that they were dropping Java Workstop and Java Studio, this was a good thing because it provided incentive for other companies to provide the tools. Now sun has all of a sudden jumped back into the tools market. I'm sure it's no coincidence that JW was dropped and Netbeans aquired in this short a span of time. I know I personally would be more satisfied to see Sun concentrate on the Java itself and delivering it's write once run anywhere promise on more platforms. It would also help improve java's image as an "open" standard if Sun leaves tool development up to the companies that do it best.
Why don't they just switch over to AppleTalk?
That's why ibm's kicking into action. IBM JDk for Linux is going to rule when it is finished.
I think Sun's fundamental vision of network computing is the right way of doing things. People seem to get all up in arms when mentioning network computing.. they think it's like communism or something. I like to remind such folks that a NT workstation with an administrative password is just as restrictive. So... I wish these people would just stop whining. Also, contrary to popular belief... a network computer can be just as customizable as a workstation if the software is well designed. Provided I could afford a fast enough connection to the internet... I'd just assume never have to install another program locally again. As far as Sun's taking shots at Microsoft... good for them. M$ is a enemy of Unix, in any way , shape and form. I think that for anyone that stands up for Unix (whatever form)... it's a GoodThing TM.