So M$ is trying to claim Linux doesn't run well on "older hardware", the kind that the overwhelming majority of home users (and schools, and libraries) have?
20 years or so ago, I read an interview with Gates, and realized the problem: he's a hardware junkey. He can afford the newest, can't everyone?
Lessee, until a year and a quarter ago, I was running RH9, with upgraded kernels and utilities, on two AMD 233s, one with 250M, and one (mine!) with 192M RAM. Other than OpenOffice 1.x (which I refer to as OpenOffice.dog), *everything* ran just fine.
I now run a 900MHz system with 250M. I just upgraded to SuSE 10.0, the latest and greatest kernel, etc. OO.o 2.x runs literally at least 3-4 times faster, so it's no longer a dog. Everything runs just fine (though I run IceWM - KDE is a lot slower).
Oh, and I'm running an ancient Pentium 120 for a firewall/router.
Problems running Linux on older hardware? If you believe that, you believe anything Bush says, and I've also got this bridge for sale....
It's not a Brand New Invention, just an improvement on things that have been known for a long time. I, for example, learned the word - thixotropic - from my boss 35 years ago, when I worked in a chenical/ceramic research lab.
That *was* the 'Net: peers calling peers (although back then, servers connected at a blazing 56k).
Then, to expand on other's cmts, the reason it's so hard to censor the 'Net, even with the Great Chinese Firewall (or Carnivore), is the 'Net's original specs. Remember, it was created by DARPA for the military, and those specs included "if The Button has been pushed, and 75% of everything between you and me is radioactive dust, so long as there is *one* single route between us, no matter how many hops, the packets will find their way there."
Now for the neofascist Bushista, if more of us sent more encrypted email, they'll *never* have enough resources to brute-force decrypts, *then* scan, billions of emails/day.
A gentleman of leisure from Florence, Misliked his shape (like an orange). So he lay down on a ship,
Took a relativistic trip And observers saw him contracted by Lorentz.
mark "it's mine, I made it up, and you can shoot me for it"
A side note: all my old textbooks, and everything I ever learned, referred to the Lorentz-*Fitzgerald* contraction. So, has Mr. Fitzgerald been deleted from history, folks?
mark "actually, I needed to modify the Lorentz-Fitzgerald
contraction myself, recently...."
I'm in the middle of nowhere, and on wireless at the motel. I'm forced to use RoadRunner's Webmail... and I can't *begin* to tell you how much I HATE them.
They randomly log me off after anywhere from 2 to 15 minutes... that is, when I can log *on* (I type in login and password, wait a couple minutes, and am told I'm timed out).
Anyone else notice this, and is it happening with other ISPs? Either RR is not putting up enough power, or the a**holes who are Webmasters have the timeout set insanely low.
Um, Stargate: SG-1, Samantha Carter, who does a better job of sciencetalk than Scotty ever did.
Dr. Weir, of Stargate: Atlantis, though not a scientist per se, is equally good... and *she's* the one in charge. And they're at a time that teens can and will see it (Fri. eve).
On a contract, the motel only has wireless. I'd bought my base system....
Anywhoo, I tried buying a wireless router, hoping I could plug my NIC into it, and set it as a router/access point. The end of that was when I called LinkSys, and they said "you can't do it that way."
So I got a PCI card. D-Link. My old RH9 didn't recognize it, so I booted up the live DVD of SuSE 10. It didn't know it, either. I called D-Link, and after several go-'rounds, "tech support" told me to call "pre-purchase support" during business hours, since "tech support" didn't know what chipset they used.
Right.
Called a friend, who told me it was probably an Atheros, and the driver I was looking for was ath_pci. He also said that someone else online had been moaning about the madwifi drivers not working well....
Except, online, you *really* need to figure out just how old such a moan is. I moused around down in/lib/2.blah, and, lo and behold, there was the driver, under extras/.
modprobe ath_pci, and SuSE recognized the card, let me configure it, and voila, online, with no trouble.
Um, except for a brand new, clone, optical mouse that SuSE Could. Not. Figure. Out. (as in, it turned off the led so hard, I had to power cycle the box).
So, with no mouse, I tried to do Webmail, with the version of Firefox on SuSE 10. It's not "merely* aggressive about blocking popups, it REFUSES TO ADMIT THAT I TOLD IT TO A) STOP BLOCKING THEM FROM THE WEBMAIL SITE, AND B) STOP BLOCKING THEM *ALL*.
And when it blocks the popup compose window, IT DOESN'T LET YOU TAB TO THE "CLICK HERE" TO OPEN THE WINDOW.
mark, not happy with Firefox 1.0.6, but happy to *finally* be back online....
Those of us who were on the 'Net a dozen years ago (geez, is it that long?) when Cantor & Siegal did the famous Green Card spam saw them argue *exactly* the same, that the 'Net was no "community", and they ought to be able to do what they wanted.
Not that I'd ever have seen them, it not being my religion, but when I was young, I used to read about fire&brimstone (tm) preachers inveighing against the worship of Mammon (aka the almighty dollar); these days, it's the state religion of the US.
I am *so* friggin' tired of "this *N*E*W* language is *so* much better/easier to use/faster than that old language, no one should be using that anymore. Fads, that's all it is.
Then there's why should I learn this language, when I see language b, c, and d (say, Ruby and PHP) as being the New, Best-of-all?
mark
Objectionable Oriented Programming: enforcing 30 years of good programming style by compiler, for turkeys that still struggle to write spaghetti code.
I see where one poster complains about the laws of physics... but doesn't seem to pursue the gradient. My wife, a master diver, tells me that a typical gradient is 30F, though she's been on dives where it went from 80F to 40F in a space of a bodylength or two. It does all depend on location, of course.
However, even the median isn't small potatoes.
We also have plent of metal that will take ocean without rusting over long times. Further, the only metal that needs to actually be exposed is at the bottom and at the top, not in between.
I mean, either they're in the same group, at least, as the file they need to chmod, or they're not. If they really *should* be able to, then someone's got the environment screwed up, and it's putting ownership and permissions on files incorrectly.
In either case, they don't need sudo. I give only certain selected users sudo; normally, the team lead, or senior tech person, etc, and that's only if they really *do* need it.
Sorry, life in the US, here in 1984, is too weird to make sense of the story. I mean, *did* he make it up, or, given (for example) the whole Padilla case (now trying to charge him with *no* terrorist items), how can we know whether they contacted him and his folks, and told them that if he expected to graduate school, and ever get a job, he'd recant?
Come on, when Bush *admits* to having violated the 1978 law more than 30 times, and expects to be patted on the back over that, what *can* we believe?
I agree with another poster, that using DICE as evidence is absurd. I've pretty much given up on them - they're now among the most egregious sites that, regardless of what they *say*, update ads, so that an ad that was actually posted a month, or two months, or even three or more months ago shows up on a "search last seven days".
Then, of course, there is the too-frequent ridiculous requirement that the person they're looking for be more experienced in that company's systems than the person who just left. Just look at the laundry lists of "requirements"....
I wish companies would put a "date posted" *in* the ad, to prevent this abuse.
I like what I do (when I'm working). I think Unix is *fun*. What makes work unfun, and leads, eventually, to me looking for another job, is when management plays Dilbert's PHB. When they meet with you and your co-workers, tell you what needs doing, and get a *real* buy-in, after y'all make comments as to how long it will take, realistically, *then* you've started making better morale.
Because I couldn't. I mean, they installed das blinkenlights, and so impressed the PR person who wrote this story that was given to the media.
Does this mean that when Roomba's (tm) blue "Dirt Detected" light goes on, it's doing this cognitive behavior, instead of behavior behavior?
With *no* discussion of what they did, or even analogies for the public of what they did (other than blinkenlights), this is a meaningless, if amusing, article.
I'm over 50. Only semi-kinda-not-really employed. I hide how old I am - hell, I dye my damn beard, because of agism. Not that we can't do as good or better than someone out of school - most of them aren't used to handling all errors, not just "that can't ever happen", for example.
But, of course, there's absolutely no way to be able to prove in a court that you didn't get hired because of your age, unless you have, on tape, them saying that to you.
The other reason is that they want to "save money", which is why they're offshoring: they're not willing to pay for skill and experience. That such idiocy results in "there's never time to do it right, there's always time to do it over"....
mark "yes, I am looking: Unix/Linux, software
development, sysadmin, configuration/release
management"
Come on, we're *far* ahead of Europe in moving towards 1984. We've got Goldstein, er, Osama, Bush, Rove et al are re-"purposing" why they invaded Iraq almost daily, the GOP has completely and totally forgotten every reason they gave for impeaching President Clinton*, and the media, at least until the last month, has almost exclusively reported what the White House and the GOP wanted, denigrating any opposition.
mark "I am not a number, I am a free radical!"
* draft dodger
smoked dope (ignore Bush & cocaine)
lied to Congress
sent troops in without proper equipment
sent too few troops in
no exit strategy
nation building
etc, etc, etc...
But is Comer actually that good?
on
A New TCP/IP Classic
·
· Score: 3, Insightful
Now, I always heard that Comer was the last word, and I picked up the three volumes years ago, and on and off have worked at them.
However, in a phone interview recently, I was told that the tear-down on a TCP/IP session was a four-way handshake. Websites I was pointed also said this. But when I go to the Comer, Vol. 1, it says that it's actually a six-way: a three-way from the originator, and a three-way from the recipient.
Which, of course, leads me to wonder about his accuracy.
mark "and the O'Reilly TCP/IP book says three-way...."
... or maybe slept through it in elementary school. Hell, my *high* *school* had a cyclotron, and this was the early-to-mid sixties. (If you're wondering, Central High, in Philly.)
But that's like the idiot article that a friend passed along to me, who's worried about the plutonium-powered RTG on the Pluto mission "polluting space with radioactivity" (I'm not making this up!)
Sorry, but it was only last fall that I upgraded our systems from 233MHz AMDs, w/ 192M RAM. Both had been running RH 9 (though I far prefer IceWM to KDE). The only thing that was *REALLY* *SLOW* was, of course, OpenOffice.
Meanwhile, my Pentium 120MHz, w/ no X, is a perfectly good firewall/router....
Speaking to the local biodiesel group a few months ago, down here in Florida, they never mentioned this. What they told me is that they use lye (like, Drano, or, cheap industrial grade), then filter.
Got to be very precise with the amounts (or you get soap); however, no acids required.
"...[U]ntil now, you had two options: electric heaters that keep a large amount of water hot at all times, or natural gas heaters that heat up water on-demand. The first is very costly and wasteful, and the second is not available to everyone, especially those in rural areas."
This makes utterly no sense. Here in the US, and I assume in a fair number of places, we have oil or natural gas water heaters that are hot all the time, and I believe I've read (in the Whole Earth Catalog) of oil on-demand heaters. In either case, drive around outside the big cities, and you'll see house after house with 550 gal. propane tanks, like the one we had in our immobile home 19 years ago.
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So M$ is trying to claim Linux doesn't run well on "older hardware", the kind that the overwhelming majority of home users (and schools, and libraries) have?
20 years or so ago, I read an interview with Gates, and realized the problem: he's a hardware junkey. He can afford the newest, can't everyone?
Lessee, until a year and a quarter ago, I was running RH9, with upgraded kernels and utilities, on two AMD 233s, one with 250M, and one (mine!) with 192M RAM. Other than OpenOffice 1.x (which I refer to as OpenOffice.dog), *everything* ran just fine.
I now run a 900MHz system with 250M. I just upgraded to SuSE 10.0, the latest and greatest kernel, etc. OO.o 2.x runs literally at least 3-4 times faster, so it's no longer a dog. Everything runs just fine (though I run IceWM - KDE is a lot slower).
Oh, and I'm running an ancient Pentium 120 for a firewall/router.
Problems running Linux on older hardware? If you believe that, you believe anything Bush says, and I've also got this bridge for sale....
mark
It's not a Brand New Invention, just an improvement on things that have been known for a long time. I, for example, learned the word - thixotropic - from my boss 35 years ago, when I worked in a chenical/ceramic research lab.
mark
*ROTFLMAO*
Check the man page on uucp, and google usenet.
That *was* the 'Net: peers calling peers (although back then, servers connected at a blazing 56k).
Then, to expand on other's cmts, the reason it's so hard to censor the 'Net, even with the Great Chinese Firewall (or Carnivore), is the 'Net's original specs. Remember, it was created by DARPA for the military, and those specs included "if The Button has been pushed, and 75% of everything between you and me is radioactive dust, so long as there is *one* single route between us, no matter how many hops, the packets will find their way there."
Now for the neofascist Bushista, if more of us sent more encrypted email, they'll *never* have enough resources to brute-force decrypts, *then* scan, billions of emails/day.
mark
A gentleman of leisure from Florence,
Misliked his shape (like an orange).
So he lay down on a ship,
Took a relativistic trip
And observers saw him contracted by Lorentz.
mark "it's mine, I made it up, and you can shoot me for it"
A side note: all my old textbooks, and everything I ever learned, referred to the Lorentz-*Fitzgerald* contraction. So, has Mr. Fitzgerald been deleted from history, folks?
mark "actually, I needed to modify the Lorentz-Fitzgerald
contraction myself, recently...."
I'm in the middle of nowhere, and on wireless at the motel. I'm forced to use RoadRunner's Webmail... and I can't *begin* to tell you how much I HATE them.
They randomly log me off after anywhere from 2 to 15 minutes... that is, when I can log *on* (I type in login and password, wait a couple minutes, and am told I'm timed out).
Anyone else notice this, and is it happening with other ISPs? Either RR is not putting up enough power, or the a**holes who are Webmasters have the timeout set insanely low.
mark
I've not done java. C for a lot of years, and other things before.
Lately, while waiting for work, I've been reading the docs for J2EE, and a java textbook.
Lessee, what I've decided: java is an advertising name. It's real name should actually be Pascal++ (the println's a dead giveaway).
Oh, and J2EE, and java beans? It's a reimplementation, much messier, and rebuzzworded version... of IBM mainframe CICS (yes, I *have* done that, too).
mark "everything old is new again"
Um, Stargate: SG-1, Samantha Carter, who does a better job of sciencetalk than Scotty ever did.
Dr. Weir, of Stargate: Atlantis, though not a scientist per se, is equally good... and *she's* the one in charge. And they're at a time that teens can and will see it (Fri. eve).
mark
On a contract, the motel only has wireless. I'd bought my base system....
/lib/2.blah, and, lo and behold, there was the driver, under extras/.
Anywhoo, I tried buying a wireless router, hoping I could plug my NIC into it, and set it as a router/access point. The end of that was when I called LinkSys, and they said "you can't do it that way."
So I got a PCI card. D-Link. My old RH9 didn't recognize it, so I booted up the live DVD of SuSE 10. It didn't know it, either. I called D-Link, and after several go-'rounds, "tech support" told me to call "pre-purchase support" during business hours, since "tech support" didn't know what chipset they used.
Right.
Called a friend, who told me it was probably an Atheros, and the driver I was looking for was ath_pci. He also said that someone else online had been moaning about the madwifi drivers not working well....
Except, online, you *really* need to figure out just how old such a moan is. I moused around down in
modprobe ath_pci, and SuSE recognized the card, let me configure it, and voila, online, with no trouble.
Um, except for a brand new, clone, optical mouse that SuSE Could. Not. Figure. Out. (as in, it turned off the led so hard, I had to power cycle the box).
So, with no mouse, I tried to do Webmail, with the version of Firefox on SuSE 10. It's not "merely* aggressive about blocking popups, it REFUSES TO ADMIT THAT I TOLD IT TO A) STOP BLOCKING THEM FROM THE WEBMAIL SITE, AND B) STOP BLOCKING THEM *ALL*.
And when it blocks the popup compose window, IT DOESN'T LET YOU TAB TO THE "CLICK HERE" TO OPEN THE WINDOW.
mark, not happy with Firefox 1.0.6, but happy to *finally* be back online....
I beg your pardon, but I have seen vehicles with regenerative braking my entire *life*... and I'm well into my fifties.
Or are 100% of all non-steam locomotives too "old tech" for the folks here?
Please note, btw, that ALL "diesel locomotives" are actually 'hybrids", using a diesel engine to generate electricity to run electric motors.
I'd say that prior art takes regenerative braking out of the so-called infringement.
mark "yes, I am into trains...."
Those of us who were on the 'Net a dozen years ago (geez, is it that long?) when Cantor & Siegal did the famous Green Card spam saw them argue *exactly* the same, that the 'Net was no "community", and they ought to be able to do what they wanted.
Not that I'd ever have seen them, it not being my religion, but when I was young, I used to read about fire&brimstone (tm) preachers inveighing against the worship of Mammon (aka the almighty dollar); these days, it's the state religion of the US.
mark
Thank you.
I am *so* friggin' tired of "this *N*E*W* language is *so* much better/easier to use/faster than that old language, no one should be using that anymore. Fads, that's all it is.
Then there's why should I learn this language, when I see language b, c, and d (say, Ruby and PHP) as being the New, Best-of-all?
mark
Objectionable Oriented Programming: enforcing 30 years of good programming style by compiler, for turkeys that still struggle to write spaghetti code.
I see where one poster complains about the laws of physics... but doesn't seem to pursue the gradient. My wife, a master diver, tells me that a typical gradient is 30F, though she's been on dives where it went from 80F to 40F in a space of a bodylength or two. It does all depend on location, of course.
However, even the median isn't small potatoes.
We also have plent of metal that will take ocean without rusting over long times. Further, the only metal that needs to actually be exposed is at the bottom and at the top, not in between.
mark
I mean, either they're in the same group, at least, as the file they need to chmod, or they're not. If they really *should* be able to, then someone's got the environment screwed up, and it's putting ownership and permissions on files incorrectly.
In either case, they don't need sudo. I give only certain selected users sudo; normally, the team lead, or senior tech person, etc, and that's only if they really *do* need it.
mark
Sorry, life in the US, here in 1984, is too weird to make sense of the story. I mean, *did* he make it up, or, given (for example) the whole Padilla case (now trying to charge him with *no* terrorist items), how can we know whether they contacted him and his folks, and told them that if he expected to graduate school, and ever get a job, he'd recant?
Come on, when Bush *admits* to having violated the 1978 law more than 30 times, and expects to be patted on the back over that, what *can* we believe?
mark
I agree with another poster, that using DICE as evidence is absurd. I've pretty much given up on them - they're now among the most egregious sites that, regardless of what they *say*, update ads, so that an ad that was actually posted a month, or two months, or even three or more months ago shows up on a "search last seven days".
Then, of course, there is the too-frequent ridiculous requirement that the person they're looking for be more experienced in that company's systems than the person who just left. Just look at the laundry lists of "requirements"....
I wish companies would put a "date posted" *in* the ad, to prevent this abuse.
mark
I like what I do (when I'm working). I think Unix is *fun*. What makes work unfun, and leads, eventually, to me looking for another job, is when management plays Dilbert's PHB. When they meet with you and your co-workers, tell you what needs doing, and get a *real* buy-in, after y'all make comments as to how long it will take, realistically, *then* you've started making better morale.
mark
Because I couldn't. I mean, they installed das blinkenlights, and so impressed the PR person who wrote this story that was given to the media.
Does this mean that when Roomba's (tm) blue "Dirt Detected" light goes on, it's doing this cognitive behavior, instead of behavior behavior?
With *no* discussion of what they did, or even analogies for the public of what they did (other than blinkenlights), this is a meaningless, if amusing, article.
mark
I'm over 50. Only semi-kinda-not-really employed. I hide how old I am - hell, I dye my damn beard, because of agism. Not that we can't do as good or better than someone out of school - most of them aren't used to handling all errors, not just "that can't ever happen", for example.
But, of course, there's absolutely no way to be able to prove in a court that you didn't get hired because of your age, unless you have, on tape, them saying that to you.
The other reason is that they want to "save money", which is why they're offshoring: they're not willing to pay for skill and experience. That such idiocy results in "there's never time to do it right, there's always time to do it over"....
mark "yes, I am looking: Unix/Linux, software
development, sysadmin, configuration/release
management"
Come on, we're *far* ahead of Europe in moving towards 1984. We've got Goldstein, er, Osama, Bush, Rove et al are re-"purposing" why they invaded Iraq almost daily, the GOP has completely and totally forgotten every reason they gave for impeaching President Clinton*, and the media, at least until the last month, has almost exclusively reported what the White House and the GOP wanted, denigrating any opposition.
mark "I am not a number, I am a free radical!"
* draft dodger
smoked dope (ignore Bush & cocaine)
lied to Congress
sent troops in without proper equipment
sent too few troops in
no exit strategy
nation building
etc, etc, etc...
Now, I always heard that Comer was the last word, and I picked up the three volumes years ago, and on and off have worked at them.
However, in a phone interview recently, I was told that the tear-down on a TCP/IP session was a four-way handshake. Websites I was pointed also said this. But when I go to the Comer, Vol. 1, it says that it's actually a six-way: a three-way from the originator, and a three-way from the recipient.
Which, of course, leads me to wonder about his accuracy.
mark "and the O'Reilly TCP/IP book says three-way...."
... or maybe slept through it in elementary school. Hell, my *high* *school* had a cyclotron, and this was the early-to-mid sixties. (If you're wondering, Central High, in Philly.)
But that's like the idiot article that a friend passed along to me, who's worried about the plutonium-powered RTG on the Pluto mission "polluting space with radioactivity" (I'm not making this up!)
mark
Sorry, but it was only last fall that I upgraded our systems from 233MHz AMDs, w/ 192M RAM. Both had been running RH 9 (though I far prefer IceWM to KDE). The only thing that was *REALLY* *SLOW* was, of course, OpenOffice.
Meanwhile, my Pentium 120MHz, w/ no X, is a perfectly good firewall/router....
mark
Speaking to the local biodiesel group a few months ago, down here in Florida, they never mentioned this. What they told me is that they use lye (like, Drano, or, cheap industrial grade), then filter.
Got to be very precise with the amounts (or you get soap); however, no acids required.
mark
"...[U]ntil now, you had two options: electric heaters that keep a large amount of water hot at all times, or natural gas heaters that heat up water on-demand. The first is very costly and wasteful, and the second is not available to everyone, especially those in rural areas."
This makes utterly no sense. Here in the US, and I assume in a fair number of places, we have oil or natural gas water heaters that are hot all the time, and I believe I've read (in the Whole Earth Catalog) of oil on-demand heaters. In either case, drive around outside the big cities, and you'll see house after house with 550 gal. propane tanks, like the one we had in our immobile home 19 years ago.
"Natural gas not available outside cities"?
mark