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Does Having Fun Make IT More Enjoyable?

Lam1969 writes "ComputerWorld is running an article stating that some senior managers in IT think the answer to boosting morale is to have more fun on the job. The IT managers interviewed for the article claim making people laugh contributes to successful businesses and reduces turnover. How do you have fun? According to the article, Dale Sanders, head of IT at Northwestern Medical Faculty Foundation, 'has posted photos on the intranet of staffers caught in awkward moments installing cables or servers, for instance. Sanders encourages others to add funny (and tasteful) captions.' John Wade, CIO at Saint Luke's Health System Inc., sometimes dresses in drag and encourages other unusual behavior. Other potential tactics for laughs include encouraging self-expression, encouraging 'serious play', and asking potential hires their favorite funny movies or comedians."

249 comments

  1. Ummmmm Yes? by BWJones · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Does having fun make ANY job more enjoyable?.................. *yes*.

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  2. Strange questions by Da3vid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does having more fun make it more enjoyable? It doesn't seem to be to be a very big stretch at all to define "fun" as that which is enjoyable. So, if you are having more fun, isn't it more enjoyable? This question seems easily answered by definitions alone.

    -Da3vid-

    1. Re:Strange questions by stavromueller · · Score: 0

      **cough**somebody missed the abbreviation pun**cough**

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    2. Re:Strange questions by blincoln · · Score: 1

      Yes. I think a better question would be "why do the people who enjoy work have fun doing it?"

      I've been relatively fortunate in terms of the jobs I've had, but in my experience fun was basically the default result of skilled people working in a relaxed environment doing things that they liked.

      I would think that a lack of fun is not an indication that there needs to be management-approved funny websites on the intranet, but that something is wrong with the department or company. Maybe the workload is too high. Maybe pay is too low. Maybe there are too many overly negative people.

      There seems to be some kind of mentality in corporate managers that they need more complicated solutions to problems, when really they could just ask their staff - privately and confidentially - and get better answers. Are your employees seeming down? Ask them why, and make it clear that what they say is off the record. Do you want to know what they're spending the most time working on? Ask them instead of spending millions of dollars on fancy applications that give you a bar graph to look at.

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    3. Re:Strange questions by Zerathdune · · Score: 1

      Yeah... I just sorta stared at the headline for a couple minutes when I saw it...

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    4. Re:Strange questions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or maybe, just maybe, they're in an unenviable low-skill, low-wage, low-satisfaction job. There are countless jobs that cannot be made "fun" by any taretch of the imagination, but they all need to be done.

  3. No by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No

  4. Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Think of the thousands of $$$ these guys spent on getting MBAs to come up with this...

    1. Re:Wow... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But they sure had 'fun' using other's grant money to fund the study.

  5. Improving Morale by mordors9 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This seems like a great idea. Improve everyone's morale by making fun of people. I can't believe it would be too long before someone's feeling are hurt by the made up captions provided by other employees. We certainly wouldn't to go to the effort and cost of providing decent pay, decent benefits, and treating employees like valued members of the company as a way to improve morale.

    1. Re:Improving Morale by sfled · · Score: 1


      Absolutely right. The picture/caption posting will last right up until someone posts a manager inserting its head up its own ass.

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    2. Re:Improving Morale by TheSpoom · · Score: 3, Interesting

      That's one of the things I see often in a lot of these companies that praise "motivational techniques" in their HR departments; they don't ACTUALLY consider their employees valuable. I think this causes a vicious cycle as well: turnover increases due to the fact that employees don't feel important, and the managers then don't see employees as being important because they'll probably be gone in a month anyway. So they try to place the blame elsewhere, on "bad attitudes", not having enough "fun" on the job, etc., where the real problem is that the employees just aren't being respected as individuals by their superiors.

      I found this to be worst when I was working at a call center; I swear, upper and middle management treated people there like children more than respected employees. Immediate supervisors were often easy to deal with, but when the problem starts from the top, it's nearly impossible to stop.

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    3. Re:Improving Morale by tomhudson · · Score: 1

      Absolutely right. The picture/caption posting will last right up until someone posts a manager inserting its head up its own ass.

      That's because that's considered leaking secrets on how they're managing the war on terror. Don't you know you're helping the terrorists by discussing it? Please take a number and line up for the next bus to gitmo.

    4. Re:Improving Morale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As long as they're only making fun of stupid people, I'm ok with it.

      Stupid people, in my mind, shouldn't be considered people at all.

    5. Re:Improving Morale by humphrm · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You are absolutely correct, however, a good manager knows his team, and whether they can handle poking fun at themselves without getting bent out of shape. I work in a shop where if you are thin-skinned, no matter how many trips to HR you make to complain, you'll be gone soon enough. I've been there ten years, and I'm the low man on the totem pole seniority-wise.

      I don't think any manager should expect to look at a book or read slashdot for ideas about how to make their shop fun. If they can't figure it out, they're too out of touch and shouldn't try.

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    6. Re:Improving Morale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Everything's funny as long as it happens to someone else.

    7. Re:Improving Morale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man am I ever getting tired of the "Low man on the totem pole" analogy. News flash: The lowest animal (person) on a totem pole is there because he founded the tribe.
      Morons... /rant

    8. Re:Improving Morale by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      Watch out; some fool will probably reply to this saying how pay isn't really all that important and that people should be doing the job because they have a passion for it and not out of any interest in money.

    9. Re:Improving Morale by slashname3 · · Score: 1

      We certainly wouldn't to go to the effort and cost of providing decent pay, decent benefits, and treating employees like valued members of the company as a way to improve morale.

      Every time upper management starts saying things like "our employees are our most valuable asset" update your resume, there is a layoff in the very near future. Upper management has realized that the salaries paid to their employees are worth more than any other part of the company or the products they deliver to customers. By laying off employees they can save a tremendous amount of money which suddenly makes the bottom line look so much better. And they did not even have to bother selling anything to pesky customers.

      As others have pointed out, having fun at work is better than not having fun. Duh! Who thinks its better to make work a horrible place to work?

    10. Re:Improving Morale by hackstraw · · Score: 1


      A wise man once said:

      The beatings will continue until morale improves.

  6. Well DUH... by kcbrown · · Score: 1
    Let's see...do people prefer to work a job that's boring and/or frustrating, or one that's fun? Do they prefer to sit there with a dumb look on their face or to laugh?

    I dunno, that's a tough one...someone help me out here...

    (That was sarcasm, in case someone out there didn't figure that out)

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    1. Re:Well DUH... by rbarreira · · Score: 1

      (That was sarcasm, in case someone out there didn't figure that out)

      Why do I only see remarks like this on Slashdot?

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    2. Re:Well DUH... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because some fuckwit will mod you down if you don't put that sort of comment.

  7. Monty Python? by Jetson · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Other potential tactics for laughs include encouraging self-expression, encouraging 'serious play', and asking potential hires their favorite funny movies or comedians.

    So how long before "Monty Python" is added to the Comp.Sci. curriculum at the local university? I'm all for having a fun and enjoyable workplace, but I'm not sure I want my professional qualifications trumped by whether or not the interviewer agrees with my sense of humour.

    1. Re:Monty Python? by JamesWJohnson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If a prospective Computer Science major isn't already familiar with Monty Python (to the extent that they can at least quote the opening scene of The Holy Grail) by the time they enter college, they have no business being a Comp Sci major to begin with.

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    2. Re:Monty Python? by ChairmanMeow · · Score: 4, Funny

      As long as "CS251: Introduction to Funny Walks" remains an elective, I'm fine with it.

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    3. Re:Monty Python? by cperciva · · Score: 0, Troll

      As long as "CS251: Introduction to Funny Walks" remains an elective, I'm fine with it.

      I'm not, and you shouldn't be either. If half of the people graduating with the same degree as you reached that point by taking basket-weaving courses, potential employers are going to decide that your degree is worthless -- even if you happen to be someone who didn't take any basket-weaving courses.

      It is in the interests of students (both present and past) to ensure that their institution maintains or increases its academic standards, since their degrees will otherwise be devalued. (See also: medieval guilds.)

    4. Re:Monty Python? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      It's silly walks, not funny walks.

      Or maybe it's just the University screwing up the name again. Like one course at Penn State is "Introduction to Algrithmic Processes." That title hurts my sense of English. What's wrong with "Introduction to Algorithms"? (The fact that it's a sucky title to begin with given the content of the course is another matter...)

    5. Re:Monty Python? by thesandtiger · · Score: 1

      I would love it if I were asked what my favorite funny movies were during an interview - it'd give me a chance to seriously fuck with a place that I pretty clearly wouldn't want to work anyway, if they need to resort to such artificial measures to try and boost morale.

      "What's your favorite funny movie?"

      "Hm, that's a toughie - I think I'm torn between Schindler's List and Silence of the Lambs."

      "... Uh... I don't really think those are comedies..."

      "Oh, sure they are - that part where that guy is shooting people from his balcony? That was comedy gold. And then there's always 'It rubs the lotion on its back or else it gets the hose again!'"

      "..."

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    6. Re:Monty Python? by SnprBoB86 · · Score: 1

      Your professional qualifications mean nothing if you don't fit in with the team your trying to join. Sense of humor is a large part of personality; if your personality doesn't mesh with the team's, you might do more harm than good as part of that team. Everyone really does need to read Peoplware

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    7. Re:Monty Python? by munpfazy · · Score: 1

      >>As long as "CS251: Introduction to
      >>Funny Walks" remains an elective,
      >>I'm fine with it.

      >I'm not, and you shouldn't be either.

      I gather you're a proponent of removing core competency credit from the Introduction to Funny Walks course, on the grounds that it will devalue your degree?

      Surely you wouldn't suggest removing the course entirely. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be the dean who has to explain to the Ministry why it's been removed.

      Perhaps a compromise is in order?

      Tell you what, we'll put CS251 on the non-credit bearing electives list, if you agree to add CS351 (Graduate Seminar on Silly Walks) to the list of 1 unit advanced electives and add BP24-A (Rectal Examination and the Search for a Sense of Humor in Uptight Slashdot Posters who Missed the Point) to the list of recommended interdisciplinary electives.

      Deal?

    8. Re:Monty Python? by ChairmanMeow · · Score: 1

      It's silly walks, not funny walks.

      Oops. Maybe I should have taken that course after all.

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    9. Re:Monty Python? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No deal!

      Why not? Because your mother is a hampster, and your father smells of old elderberries!
      I fart in you're general direction.

      Good day sir!

    10. Re:Monty Python? by masdog · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure I want my professional qualifications trumped by whether or not the interviewer agrees with my sense of humour.

      Its not your professional qualifications that will be trumped - its whether you will fit into the company culture or not. Your professional qualifications aren't the only think hiring managers look at.

      Do you think a company really wants to hire a person who is stiff, uptight, and has no sense of humor and bring them into an environment where everyone is fun-loving and jovial??

    11. Re:Monty Python? by tomhath · · Score: 1

      "I'm not sure I want my professional qualifications trumped by whether or not the interviewer agrees with my sense of humour"

      Sorry, but it's always been that way. How you look, what your voice sounds like, whether the interviewer likes your school, and your sense of humor are all major factors in whether you get the job (you wouldn't have gotten the interview if your professional qualifications weren't adequate).

  8. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by quokkapox · · Score: 5, Funny

    Yes, that is a universal principle. At the office, I've instructed my staff to give every 100th Big Mac "extra-special" treatment.

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  9. tantra by The+Clockwork+Troll · · Score: 5, Funny
    I practice Tantric IT, wherein you purposely try to postpone job enjoyment as long as possible.

    They say it fosters a more special bond between you and your employer.

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    1. Re:tantra by wmajik · · Score: 1

      Tantric IT you say? I practice the art of Solitare, where my goal is to furiously sneak as many sessions during the day as possible without my boss walking in by surprise.

      I say it leads to higher daily satisfaction and motor coordination.

  10. Raising morale by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like to laugh. A lot. I kid around more than any other person at my office.

    I would just like to note that taking photos of your co-workers caught in akward situations sounds to me more like something that will lower morale than anything. So if you think they look funny the way they have to bend over while running cables, don't capture it so that everyone can laugh.

    Unless you want those cables wrapped around your neck.

  11. No, No, No.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You've got it all wrong.

    Clearly, the title was referring to It - from the Stephen King novel.

    Creepy clowns... I find them to be neither fun nor enjoyable.

    1. Re:No, No, No.... by Auntie+Virus · · Score: 1

      They all float down here....

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  12. How about.... by ShatteredDream · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You be as understanding as possible with them when they need to take care of their families

    How about accepting a little less profit as a price to pay for supporting good workers in your community (and companies need help defending and encouraging this practice)

    How about getting rid of employees, especially managers, that are abusive and/or want to build little fiefdoms

    Lastly, how about you take the bitter employees who like to complain about every little perceived slight and fire their asses ASAP for being disruptive. I know my girlfriend, who works as a softare developer and hates working for women, would back this wholeheartedly, but perhaps that's because it'd be the cause of most of her female peers getting fired on the spot.

    Look, work is typically what we wouldn't do if given the choice not to do it. That's why it's called work, it's supposed to be laborious and when it's not, you've got something great going for you. The best way to keep good people is to protect them, challenge them and give them excellent opportunities to get rewarded for working hard for their employer. You can let them play Halo for an hour a day on company time, but if they still work for a typical good ol' boy network and/or hyper-PC office or a PHB with sociopathic tendencies, you'll never have the kind of work environment that can match the aforementioned environment that makes work be work, but makes people feel like they get something good and safe from their blood, sweat and tears.

    1. Re:How about.... by offlerthecrocgod · · Score: 2, Funny

      You have a girlfriend who works as a programmer? Is your relationship about to break up?

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    2. Re:How about.... by ryuuzin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Hear, hear. Just the formal introduction of 'fun' into a workplace that has other, serious problems does not a better job make. I started as an intern at a small, privately-held company, writing graphics software (I worked the integration side). Between us -- the developers (who worked hard to write the core software package), the integrators (who worked had to satisfy client needs), and the support folks (who had to answer to a seemingly-capricious collection of customers) -- we devised our own way of having fun -- playing Half-Life after COB and making a beer run on Fridays.

      Then, the company was bought out by a corporation, twice over. Several rounds of layoffs happened (because each corporation was in its own dire straits), the pay rises pretty much ceased (while our output had to roughly double to meet their profit demands), everything was locked down, and we generally got no support or direction from corporate headquarters. Our phrase for it was "red-headed stepchild". Yet, somehow, despite this, folks over at corporate thought that certain morale boosters should happen, like ice-cream socials or movie outings.

      I can tell you, hardly anybody was jumping for joy. These attempts to interject fun (sometimes before a layoff happened) fully backfired because they couldn't have cared less about the problems. I finally gave up the ghost when there are only three employees left of the original company and I had to help close my own office and work from home. Where I am now may not have ice cream socials or movie outings (or anything that folks here might rank as 'fun'), but at least I have a company that doesn't have anywhere near the problems of the old one (knock on wood). That right there is worth all the 'fun' times they could possibly provide.

    3. Re:How about.... by Tim+Browse · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Lastly, how about you take the bitter employees who like to complain about every little perceived slight and fire their asses ASAP for being disruptive. I know my girlfriend, who works as a softare developer and hates working for women, would back this wholeheartedly, but perhaps that's because it'd be the cause of most of her female peers getting fired on the spot.

      I can't tell if you being funny or not.

      So your girlfriend, who hates working with women, and wants all her female peers to be fired, is annoyed about other people being bitter and disruptive?

  13. Oh yeah, boy, do these guys have a sense of humor by glengineer · · Score: 1
    staffers caught in awkward moments installing cables or servers

    Oh, yeah, I've pissed my pants laughing at techs in "awkward moments" installing servers. Yawn. Well, at least maybe they'll win $100K on America's Funniest Home Videos for the crap they serve up there as funny.

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  14. I find... by undone · · Score: 1

    that when companies recognize and reward effort, it tends to make the job more enjoyable. It also helps if they get rid of those that don't put forth any effort.

    Sure, being able to enjoy your job and have fun is good, but I think the first thing is being able to do your job without having to mop up after someone else. After that, you break out the arrows that go through your head.

  15. Southwest Airlines by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Southwest has had this strategy for years. Must be why they are posting profits when all other airlines are sinking into debt.

  16. Had a boss who tried that by heroine · · Score: 1

    He lasted longer than most of them but was fired after 2 years. Morale is a function of a lot more than a preprinted sheet of funny interview questions or a corporate approved list of funny movies.

    Better morale techniques are giving people the opportunity to get more out of their day job than a dumpy apartment or a better quality of life than they had 5 years ago. A popular technique in consumer electronics is to let people design things they'll actually want to use.

  17. Trust in Employees by iONiUM · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think the biggest problem is that a lot of IT companies don't trust their employees enough to allow them more free time on the job.

    Where I work, we have a 7 foot projector with Xbox and Xbox360 hooked up, and frequently a few employees will go and play games against each other for an hour or two.

    Does work still get done? Of course. But nobody likes to work all the time, and video games are a good alternative to say surfing aimlessly around the web, because this way you get to leave the desk and interact with co-workers.

    Why so many companies seem to think you *have* to work every minute you're there baffles me, it's very unproductive. As for the state of my company, we're #1 in our field, and doubling growth every year. It's a mid-size company, and maybe that's why this works, it's small enough that the employees feel (and are rewarded) regarding to company success.

    1. Re:Trust in Employees by jammindice · · Score: 2, Interesting

      i'd have to agree, our company is still a small business and there is still a lot of trust between the owner and all of us employee types. We are all very dedicated to expanding the company due to the rewards we all receive based on the success of the business. I've only been there a year but have had quite a few bonuses come my way "just because" we reached a milestone as a company (like 50 clients, a new record monthly income, etc...). our main attraction happens to be a foosball (foozball or however the hell you spell it) table, a projector with dvd player, and a mini putting green in our office.

      We all play regularly, as well as haing movie days where we watch a movie once a month and have pizza for lunch. The company also pays for a night out about once a month where we all go to the pool hall across the way and have a few beers and play pool, the only female employee even get's into it!!

      Our company has also seen an exponential growth over the last 2 years, going from roughly 20 clients to over 125 recently, most of it not only comes from our desire to be the best at what we do, our outstanding customer satisfaction, or refferals from our customers, but because our work environment happens to be so forgiving. One of my co-workers actually brought in a remote control motorcycle that we all took turns running around the office for about a half hour...

      Though foosball hppens to be our favorite pastime recently, veryone enjoys themselves most thouroughly playing a few games a day, as well as sparking some friendly competition (amazingly enough the boss man gets the most pissed off when he looses, slamming the rods that hold the players into the sides of the table and even kicking the entire table once :) fun boss to have though!!!) We are even developing an internal website to track the statistics and see how good (or bad) we are all doing.

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    2. Re:Trust in Employees by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same here, my last job I had three computers. One windows to play Counter-strike:source or battlefield 2 on, one freebsd machine to do work, check email, etc., and a sun blade for any solaris testing. My windows computer always had a game running, anytime you came into my office. I was the most productive employee on the team, so no one said anything about it.

      If there is ever a new (and smarter) head of the department, I will be back in a heartbeat.

  18. Work is fun if... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 5, Interesting
    • Encourage a relaxed work atmosphere. Allow people to feel free to be themselves and not have to put on an act of phony ass-kissing professionalism.
    • Encourage people to speak their minds and to disagree, but professionally.
    • Weed out employees who can't hack it. Cut down on the support nightmares we all dread.
    • Reward honesty by not punishing mistakes, so long as: (1) corrective action is taken to prevent recurrence; (2) the mistake did not cause a severe impact in the company's bottom line.
    • Eliminate bullshit like software licensing, tracking and auditing. Running everything in an IP-unencumbered fashion to the greatest extent possible will make everyone happier.
    • Pay well, rewarding productivity and innovation. If I invent, suggest, or implement a process that saves the company money, or that brings in more revenue, pay me a bonus in recognition, or a comission on the savings or revenue increase. If you go with the commission, allow it to remain in place as long as the practice is in place, for as long as I remain with the company. If I have to have a non-compete clause, have it last until the non-compete expires.
    • Pay me for on-call time. 1/4 time for merely being on call, 2x time if I get called in for off hours work.
    • If I'm on salary, don't require that I work 40 hours a week, as long as I'm getting my assignments done and being productive for the company (ie, returning more value than I cost the company).
    • No dress codes that discriminate against culture -- and recognize contemporary subcultures, not just traditional national, ethnic, or religious subcultures. Allow people to express themselves through their personal appearance. Don't punish people for wanting to look different or unusual.
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    1. Re:Work is fun if... by adam1234 · · Score: 1

      Eliminate bullshit like software licensing, tracking and auditing. Running everything in an IP-unencumbered fashion to the greatest extent possible will make everyone happier.

      Your lawyers are going to love that one.

      Really, how is blowing off legal licensing and getting sued "fun"? Someone has to be an adult at your company...

    2. Re:Work is fun if... by TeknoHog · · Score: 1

      Duh, the grandparent is obviously referring to free software. Someone has to be the adult to throw away proprietary toys.

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    3. Re:Work is fun if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No dress codes that discriminate against culture -- and recognize contemporary subcultures, not just traditional national, ethnic, or religious subcultures. Allow people to express themselves through their personal appearance. Don't punish people for wanting to look different or unusual.

      How about everyone wear something professional. No, pajamas or robes, even if religious, are not welcome. I don't want to be distracted by your hate/gloves/collar/necklace/bloody hands/knives.

      If you are behind closed doors, away from clients/customers, go and wear whatever you want provided you don't encroach upon decency. Wearing STFU shirts and the like are just as distracting and annoying.

    4. Re:Work is fun if... by dnoyeb · · Score: 1

      I think we had a fun expolsion during the internet boom. Then Management pushed back and we went back to the pre-empowerment days where managers try to _remove_ the fun and run the job like some kind of military exercise. of course productivity is down, but I think in general they are enjoying their iron fist too much to care.

    5. Re:Work is fun if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And give IT people real toy to work with! I hate to work in my office. I have to use a 16 inch CRT monitor. Some people bring their own flatscreens to work since the company doesn't provide any. The equipment I have at home is by far better what I use in my office.

    6. Re:Work is fun if... by egarland · · Score: 1

      Allow people to feel free to be themselves and not have to put on an act of phony ass-kissing professionalism.

      If you have to put on a phony act to be porfessional, maybe a professional position isn't for you. You can be professional while disdagreeing.

      I agree with everything else in your post.

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    7. Re:Work is fun if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Encourage people to speak their minds and to disagree, but professionally.

      That is way to general a comment to be of any use to anyone. It does not provide any type of reference that someone can use that may want to speak their mind or disagree. Sounds like something you would see in a management 101 text book. Do you have any idea how many people claim to have an open door policy but do not? How many people have you tried to counter points with or suggest an alternative or even try to get them to acknowledge you view of the events or situation in a very professional manner and they are not even really listening to your comments or input as noted by the canned response of "That is the way it is" or a plain old, "I do not agree". Kind of like getting another copy of that TPS Memo. Although I agree with your point, more often then not, your siggestion does not happen.

      Reward honesty by not punishing mistakes, so long as: (1) corrective action is taken to prevent recurrence; (2) the mistake did not cause a severe impact in the company's bottom line.

      The mistake happened already and can not be changed. Providing a policy that encourages people to lie with your restrictions to cover their ass is not helping you or the company at all. You risk considerable expense and time trying to figure out what happened and more often then not, you may go down the wrong road trying to recover. Now after the fact and assuming someone uncovers the lie, you take corrective action against that person anyway AND you wasted time and money. That being said, you should not punish anyone for a mistake. People should get fired or corrected for a pattern or a general clueless attitude or blatent violation policy, not a mistake. If your supervisor has to answer to someone that does not know you or your work product because of your mistake, he/she could say it was a mistake and your past work history shows no trends to show you are not up to par. Again, more often then not, that does not happen.
      I've been in front of a reactor plant control panal many hours and I and everyone has made mistakes. After the recovery and everything is stable we have briefings. For my screwup, I immediately described what I had done without excuses. I know the procedure and policies very well, everyone in the department knows I know them very well. In a split second in the heat of the moment, I made the wrong decision and caused a protective action. Nothing else was said and I returned to the reactor control panal within the hour. If I had a past screw ups, my knowledge level was low, or I was a general fuckup, I should be reviewed further. If I had lied? I would be escorted off of the premises and never have been allowed back in the nuclear field again.

    8. Re:Work is fun if... by scottv67 · · Score: 1

      I can't believe that you didn't login to post your comment. You would have received a mod point from me for speaking the truth....

    9. Re:Work is fun if... by bergeron76 · · Score: 1

      You clearly don't work in a big city, do you?

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    10. Re:Work is fun if... by wallsg · · Score: 1
      • Pay me for on-call time. 1/4 time for merely being on call, 2x time if I get called in for off hours work.
      • If I'm on salary, don't require that I work 40 hours a week, as long as I'm getting my assignments done and being productive for the company (ie, returning more value than I cost the company).


      What's the color of the sky on your planet?

      I don't get paid for the first six hours of my constant overtime. If my base salary were about $8000/year more I wouldn't get paid for any of it. Modern management theory is that if you can get your work done in 30 hours then you obviously need 20 hours more work. Unless it can be shipped overseas, of course. Then you'll just get Globalized.
    11. Re:Work is fun if... by Junior+J.+Junior+III · · Score: 1

      I wrote about what would make a work environment fun, not what management will go for.

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    12. Re:Work is fun if... by DocStoner · · Score: 1
      * Encourage a relaxed work atmosphere. Allow people to feel free to be themselves and not have to put on an act of phony ass-kissing professionalism.

      - You can be as relaxed as you want... as long as you still get the work done on time. Which is never, because it was always due yesterday.

      * Encourage people to speak their minds and to disagree, but professionally.

      - You are free to disagree. But no matter how professional you put it, you are still wrong.

      * Weed out employees who can't hack it. Cut down on the support nightmares we all dread.

      - If you want to cut out the support nightmares, weed out the users that can't hack it. Sorry, that isn't going to happen.

      * Reward honesty by not punishing mistakes, so long as: (1) corrective action is taken to prevent recurrence; (2) the mistake did not cause a severe impact in the company's bottom line.

      - Honesty is only rewarded by not punishing mistakes if you find another department/manager to blame it on.

      * Eliminate bullshit like software licensing, tracking and auditing. Running everything in an IP-unencumbered fashion to the greatest extent possible will make everyone happier.

      - Happier, but poorer. Not gonna happen if the company is publically owned.

      * Pay well, rewarding productivity and innovation. If I invent, suggest, or implement a process that saves the company money, or that brings in more revenue, pay me a bonus in recognition, or a comission on the savings or revenue increase. If you go with the commission, allow it to remain in place as long as the practice is in place, for as long as I remain with the company. If I have to have a non-compete clause, have it last until the non-compete expires.

      - This is already in place, for managers only though.

      * Pay me for on-call time. 1/4 time for merely being on call, 2x time if I get called.

      - No can do. Don't even think about getting a 2nd job for extra money, because you are on-call. * If I'm on salary, don't require that I work 40 hours a week, as long as I'm getting my assignments done and being productive for the company (ie, returning more value than I.

      - I would settle for not making me work 50 hours a week.

      * No dress codes that discriminate against culture -- and recognize contemporary subcultures, not just traditional national, ethnic, or religious subcultures. Allow people to express themselves through their personal appearance. Don't punish people for wanting to look different or unusual.

      - You will not be punished for looking different, but you won't be rewarded either.

    13. Re:Work is fun if... by joskay · · Score: 1

      Hi
      Good list. I have had this (well parts of it) and it works good.

    14. Re:Work is fun if... by iamlucky13 · · Score: 1
      No dress codes that discriminate against culture -- and recognize contemporary subcultures, not just traditional national, ethnic, or religious subcultures. Allow people to express themselves through their personal appearance. Don't punish people for wanting to look different or unusual.
      Sorry, wearing ThinkGeek T-shirts does not count as a culture...

      For me, the part about encouraging a relaxed work-environment is important, and definitely does not need to be at odds with professionalism. An employee should have a sense when a joke or prank is appropriate or not, and a the bosses should have the common sense to know when to let something slide, take action, or join in the fun. In my opinion, automated airsoft sentry guns controlled by webcams have something positive to offer to every office!
    15. Re:Work is fun if... by imipak · · Score: 1

      I take a vaguely zen approach to work. You're doing it because you're doing it, so make the most of it and dop it as well as you can. (It can be hard to maintain a state of mindfulness when doing a security audit of a Windows 2000 server sometimes, though.) Someone somewhere has written about this in the context of washing-up. I always enjoyed washing up (US readers: 'doing to dishes')...

    16. Re:Work is fun if... by Nick_dm · · Score: 1

      I think that was the point he was making. Most companies will expect people to act profesionally, the ones you don't want to work for are where the manager's idea of 'profesionalism' involves not questioning or disagreeing with him.

    17. Re:Work is fun if... by OldAndSlow · · Score: 1

      The Miracle of Mindfulness by Thich Nhat Hahn. He is a Vietnamese Buddhist, and founder of Plum Village

    18. Re:Work is fun if... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not sure where you are but not getting paid for overtime is illegal here in Minnesota and I believe in the whole of the USA. If your salary is such that you are not entitled to overtime pay, you get comp time. If you don't get comp time, don't work the overtime. The IRS will back you up on this. You're not getting paid for work done, they don't get to collect taxes. They're a bit touchy about not getting tax money. Basically it boils down to you aren't expected to work for free. Call your local IRS office and tell them your employer isn't paying for your first six hours of constant overtime. They'll be very interested.

      There are laws that protect the employee's interests, you should invest some time into researching them. I believe federal law requires posting the basic employee rights/laws in a public employee area(e.g. lunchroom). My employer does.

      If you get fired for making an employer obey these laws, you have grounds for a wrongful dismissal suit.

      You might also want to look at union. They are there to help protect the employees against abuse by the employer.

  19. ick. by Triv · · Score: 3, Insightful

    According to the article, Dale Sanders, head of IT at Northwestern Medical Faculty Foundation, 'has posted photos on the intranet of staffers caught in awkward moments installing cables or servers, for instance. Sanders encourages others to add funny (and tasteful) captions.'

    Know the easiest way to suck the fun out of a situation? Have it encouraged by management. Fun just happens. Make it a policy, and it becomes work again.

    1. Re:ick. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or, (some dude behind a desk)'s idea of what fun is is pushed on everyone else. e.g. why in the hell would I want to go play softball on my off hours or something, as if I don't have a life outside my job? Because somebody thinks it's "fun" and tells me it's "fun".

      I have had such experiences in the past, and am very fortunate to have a job now that I would consider to be "fun."

    2. Re:ick. by Misanthropy · · Score: 1

      amen.
      Any sort of mandated fun or "morale boosters" always end up being a drag. As it's been said before, if companies want to boost morale they should start off by treating their employees with respect.

  20. Is this post pretty silly? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ok, again, from the OED:

    fun - noun - enjoyment, amusement, or lighthearted pleasure : the children were having fun in the play area | anyone who turns up can join in the fun. a source of this : people-watching is great fun. playful behavior or good humor : she's full of fun. behavior or an activity that is intended purely for amusement and should not be interpreted as having serious or malicious purposes : it was nothing serious; they just enjoyed having some harmless fun. [ attrib. ] (of a place or event) providing entertainment or leisure activities for children : a 33-acre movie-themed fun park.

    DUH!

  21. Isn't always good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I had a boss recently who thought it was his responsibility to keep the workplace a 'fun' place, he just wasn't very good at it. His antics simply frustrated myself and the other employees who were simply trying to get the work done, to the point that we got more work done when he wasn't in than when he was. There is a line between 'having fun to increase productivity' and 'having so much fun that you prevent productivity', and it's a damn fine one. My boss crossed it and never even realised, I can't help but wonder if others will as well as a result of this kind of report.

  22. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by IntelliTubbie · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does having fun make ANY job more enjoyable?.................. *yes*.

    So in this case, does IT stand for "Information Tautology"?

    Cheers,
    IT

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  23. Duh! but that's not all that counts.... by evenprime · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Of course a fun work environment is more enjoyable. I've worked in an IT company though, that was lots of fun, without being very productive. The company doesn't exist anymore.

    Fun doesn't pay the bills. Think of it as a nice fringe benefit, but not something more than that. I

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    I think that goes for OS's too
  24. depends by Decaff · · Score: 1

    depends whose fun and morale you are talking about. I know many IT people who's morale is improved by allowing them to make others have less fun....

  25. Well, I know from my experience by radiotyler · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From my experience working a crappy entry level tech support position, stuff like cube warfare can make all the difference between hating the customers you're on the phone with, and actually wanting to help them configure Outlook Express (for the 3rd time).

    As I moved up in the IT world, and moved through different companies and positions the trusty Nerf Vortex guns came with me. There's always someone who appreciates a good cube shootout as much as I do, wherever I go.

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    1. Re:Well, I know from my experience by mikefe · · Score: 1

      What ever happened to good ole rubber band shooting?

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    2. Re:Well, I know from my experience by radiotyler · · Score: 1

      What ever happened to good ole rubber band shooting?

      I dunno, the same thing that happened to pong.

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  26. A few related analogies... by volve · · Score: 3, Insightful

    * Does breathing make living more enjoyable?
    * Does having paint make being a painter more enjoyable?
    * Does having a computer make developing software more enjoyable?

    I could go on, but I think we've all paid this post far too much heed as it is.

    -volve

  27. pretty sad by mixenmaxen · · Score: 2, Funny

    It's christmas eve, and I'm spending my time commenting on slashdot... Now that's no laughing matter.

    1. Re:pretty sad by Mortirer · · Score: 1

      yes, but i am fun sitting here and commenting on slashdot. Thats even wrose!

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  28. Miserable Workers Are Better by kid-noodle · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At least according to a study from the University of Alberta.

    Summary being that sad workers make less errors, presumably because they focus harder to block out the relentless hell of their lives.

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    1. Re:Miserable Workers Are Better by ScottCooperDotNet · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Your title is off, it's sad workers are better (according to some studies) than happy workers. Miserable workers, I imagine, are even lower than both groups, and much more likely to go postal on their co-workers. Do you really want the people that support your systems and networks to be in horrible moods, and potentially sabotaging things?

      In the first study, sad people committed significantly fewer errors than did happy people (approximately half the number of errors) but there was no difference in the number of boards completed. Thus, sad people were more productive.

      In menial tasks this may hold true, but in high-level thinking tasks worrying about personal bills and other issues can't be a net-gain. If anything, unhappy and worried workers are worse at such tasks. If your boss is thinking about his nasty divorce case he's not thinking about the business.

    2. Re:Miserable Workers Are Better by capologist · · Score: 1

      Summary being that sad workers make less errors, presumably because they focus harder to block out the relentless hell of their lives.

      The article doesn't give much detail on the experimental methods, but I certainly get the impression that it focuses on "I'm having a shiatty day" sadness rather than "I hate my life" sadness.

      I imagine that the long-term- vs. short-term-sadness distinctinction is very significant, and probably workers who are trying to block out the "relentless hell" of a bad day are better workers than those who are trying to block out the "relentless hell of their lives."

  29. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My coworkers and I have a great time at work. In fact, that is the only reason I am not really looking for another job and probably why I am still there. We just hired a hardware guy from another department, he too has commented many times that he actually enjoys coming to work now. The guy I replaced took another job for about 15K year more and he left only because of some differences with the IT manager, he would come back at his old pay if she ever left. People have reasons for staying and leaving, our IT manager is the definate odd man/woman out and a definate negative across the board with all of us. We overcome that though and we enjoy our time because WE make it enjoyable, our fun did not come down from above as a directive that we "should promote some fun" with a benefit analysis and it was not a "follow the leader" either.

  30. ny mta by pintomp3 · · Score: 1

    so all the transit workers union wanted was for someone to make fun of them? could have avoided that strike with a fake moustache on the union president i guess. seriously, it shouldn't take a premeditated management decision to create a relaxed atmosphere. perhaps the employees would like adaquate pay and reasonable pension and health. maybe a little respect too. btw, i'm assuming "fun" makes all employees happier, not just IT. i guess it's cheaper to create a funny ofoto album than to increase wages or not decrease benefits.

  31. Crack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "has posted photos on the intranet of staffers caught in awkward moments installing cables or servers"

    I hope it wasn't a fat guy bent over showing some crack

  32. Does Having Fun Make [insert word] More Enjoyable? by Fritzed · · Score: 2, Funny

    YES!

    Worst, Headline, Ever.

    -> Fritz

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  33. Heh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Does Having Fun Make IT More Enjoyable?"

    That's like saying, "Does having a penis make sex more pleasurable?"

    1. Re:Heh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm a lesbian, you inconsiderate clod!

  34. Does Having Fun Make IT More Enjoyable? by micrometer2003 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'm 60. 30 years ago it was the coolest thing to be doing. I had a sense of growth, future, learning and making an important contributions. I bought terminal with my own money to work from home! What killed it? Greedy, arrogant bosses who just politick their way up. Insecure techies who hide code, secrets and, possibly evidence of their own lack of expertise. Distrustful managers who want you to fix broken fund transfer links but without any ID's or passwords. Getting reamed for wanting to really improve matters by cleaning up the code I have to repair at 3 am. Big companies actually wanted us to keep track of and maintain LINE NUMBERS in the code which contributed nothing.

    1. Re: Does Having Fun Make IT More Enjoyable? by NanoGator · · Score: 1

      "You can answer that for yourself, right?"

      Alternatively, you couldn't answer what was really being asked? Yeesh. It's not such a self-answering question. Some people have jobs that they cannot stand going to. Heck, that reminds me of most of my time in high school. I remember wishing I'd get a stomach flu because I'd rather have dealt with being sick than being at school. So what do you do when it gets this bad? Organized sport? Allow people to play games without fear of being yelled at? Desginate a day of the week for people to wear ridiculous clothes they wouldn't normally wear to begin with?

      Judging from the variety of comments I've seen on this topic, I'd say my point about this question not being so self-answering has been supported. Okay, it wasn't asked as well as it could have been. It was written by the same species that invented the phrase "If I said you have a beautiful body, would you hold it against me?"

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    2. Re: Does Having Fun Make IT More Enjoyable? by daecabhir · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Amen brother, amen. Politics and greed can torpedo even a very successful operation, especially when it results in resources and recognition being taken away from a group that is actually getting work done, in order to make a more politically savvy (but totally worthless) manager and his team of engineers on crack look like they are actually capable of doing their jobs. Do I sound bitter?

      Working for a major telecom, with a group that stood up some fairly sophisticated network security services in under six months from scratch, we worked hard and played hard. Shorts, t-shirts, sandals and a less than 10 minute drive to work, coupled with the team doing things like skiing, white water rafting and hanging out in the local Irish pub outside of work ON THEIR OWN DIME, because we fed off each other's enthusiasm, skills and sharing of knowledge. And almost all of us left, because politics and personal greed screwed the lot of us.

      That being said, in my 20+ years in the field I've also worked in places where employee satisfaction was a major focus (and am fortunate to be employed at such a place currently) - because the management "got it". So in addition to good compensation, I've experienced things such as taking our team out for lunch, having quarterly get togethers after work, telling someone to take their spouse/SO out for a nice dinner and expense it for a job well done, making sure that employees have time to spend outside of the office, and just letting folks take some time to hang out and shoot the bull at the office. If you manage based on results, instead of appearances, you can get a hell of alot of work out people who will be happy to do that work for you. And if you reward those results with the type of treatment that says clearly "I appreciate all of your hard work", it is a cycle that feeds on itself.

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    3. Re: Does Having Fun Make IT More Enjoyable? by micrometer2003 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, much of this was a Telecom. No wonder they tanked! Another painful lesson from the cubicle: The better and more diligent you are, the more likely that you will kept right there. To advance, you have to cross departmental boundaries, be free of any unrelenting technical responsibility and, be a good bullshitter. Of couse being kept there now is a rare "reward" compared to those who got downsized. Just two things they could have done to save a lot of money and get more accomplished: 1) Draw straws and eliminate one person at the top. What're they making now? You do the math. 2) Keep just those who make the phones ring and send the bills and empower them to do what they see fit.

  35. Does Having Fun Make IT More Enjoyable? by johncadengo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Does Having Fun Make IT More Enjoyable?

    Is having fun enjoyable? Read what you just wrote.

    You can answer that for yourself, right?

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  36. Umm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes.

  37. Dooohhhh... !! by Apollux · · Score: 1

    The title, thats a retorical question, right?

  38. Keep it real. by capologist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've worked at places that did this well, and I've worked at places that did it poorly.

    At a place that did it poorly, the employer tried to "lighten up" the place with all kinds of stupid shtick and encouraging the employees to get into the act. Naturally, employees felt pressured to participate and to pretend to think it was fun, when it wasn't. (Cue Bill Lumbergh saying, "Friday is Hawaiian shirt day, so, you know, if you want to you can go ahead and wear a Hawaiian shirt, and jeans.") This didn't exactly improve morale.

    If you want to reduce stress, give your employees the freedom to be themselves. This starts with you being yourself. Don't try to be funny if you have no sense of humor, but if you do have one, use it. Don't try to be silly if you're naturally stoic by demeanor. Don't try to be a cheerleader if that's not who you are. If you're anything but genuine, and you have smart employees, they'll sense it, and that sends the message that this is what's expected, and your employees will feel stressed by it, though they may be unable to articulate the source of the stress (even to themselves). So just let your natural personality shine through.

    Unless, of course, you're naturally a complete jerk. In that case, the best thing to do is to shoot yourself in the head. Your employees will love you for it.

    1. Re:Keep it real. by Esion+Modnar · · Score: 1
      the employer tried to "lighten up" the place with all kinds of stupid shtick and encouraging the employees to get into the act.

      I remember this ep of The Twilight Zone where this kid literally has "looks that kill." He can make anybody die who displeases him, just by looking at him. What makes him unhappy? Other people who don't look happy, or raise their voice to him (oh, they'd be so dead).

      The whole show, everybody around him puts on a false act of being happy and joyous, all the time sweating that they'll do something to piss the kid off.

      Employees would be self-conscious at involving themselves in the activities: do they respectfully decline and risk appearing anti-social, or engage in the solicited behavior, and risk making some politically incorrect faux pas that gets them fired? (Such as dressing as a ghost at an NAACP Halloween party.)

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    2. Re:Keep it real. by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1
      The whole show, everybody around him puts on a false act of being happy and joyous, all the time sweating that they'll do something to piss the kid off.

      So how did it end? Don't leave us hanging! :-)

    3. Re:Keep it real. by mge · · Score: 1

      Twilight Zone was just ripping off the simpsons .. the gremlin on the side of the school bus, the "everyone must be happy" kid, ...

    4. Re:Keep it real. by tverbeek · · Score: 1
      remember this ep of The Twilight Zone where this kid literally has "looks that kill." He can make anybody die who displeases him, just by looking at him. What makes him unhappy? Other people who don't look happy,

      It sounds like you're talking about "It's a Good Life", featuring Bill Mumy and Cloris Leachman. The two of them also did a sequel for the latest Twilight Zone series a few years ago, with the kid all grown up with a daughter...

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    5. Re:Keep it real. by Akdor+1154 · · Score: 1

      In other words: treat the cause, not the symptoms.

  39. I used to read Dilbert by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to read Dilbert for fun. But with my current job I have so much fun trying to get some reasonable behaviour out of WebSphere Application Server 4.0 and WebSphere Portal Server 4.2.1, that I am known company-wide for my hysterical laughter. Sometimes a coworker says something completely innocent, like: "when we upgrade to WAS 5 ...", and I almost faint from the cramps of laughter while rolling of my chair down onto the floor.

    I no longer read Dilbert. It's dull in comparison with real life. It's like cutting yourself with a pocket knife to distract yourself from the pain you feel from having been run over by a truck.

    Down, not across!

  40. Fun Suggestions by tengu1sd · · Score: 1
    Does having fun make the job more enjoyable. Is fun enjoyable in other words? And senior management is looking at this program?

    Is there any grant money available, I have an proposal for a study. It will take a few years, require international travel to get a good subject sample. It'll have to be repeated before publication of course.

    Are there any volunteers out there who'd like to be subjected to fun?

  41. We'd go insane without... by jrmiller84 · · Score: 1

    Homestar Runner, Maddox, David Firth, and soundboards. I work as an IT Admin at Rhino Video Games and we have an awesome time just messing around on the forums and video sites. It helps us "bond" as a department and we feel like family. We have many inside jokes and sayings that keep us in good spirits all the time. Oh, and sure we get a lot of work done ;) hah!

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  42. Fun or funny? by TeknoHog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There's also the difference between fun and funny. Some of the suggestions seem like they're trying to use funny things to enforce fun in dull situations, which in my experience is a bad idea.

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  43. OA5 by DarkIye · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Myself, I subscribe to Scott Adams 'OA5' company philosophy. Basically, nothing can make work more fun than its alternative, not working - that's why they have to pay you for it. So basically, the aim is to get the employee working as efficiently as possible by getting managers to remove obstructions to their productivity, and Out At 5 (hence the acronym). Managers don't waste their time with thinking up stupid morale-boosting techniques (just read any Adams book for excellent examples) and spend more time 'managing', also known as 'something useful'.

    Frankly, the only companies that can and should be trying to improve the morale of their employees (I mean the grunts, not the management) with techniques other than money or free time, are the ones with proper mechanisms are in place where smart people get to decision-making positions. Come to think of it, there probably isn't much to be done on the morale front there anyway.

  44. Umm.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    John Wade, CIO at Saint Luke's Health System Inc., sometimes dresses in drag and encourages other unusual behavior That kind of hilarity I can pretty much do without. Especially if the "encouraged other unusual behavior" is at his place after 10 beers & poppers...

  45. Yeah... by jlarocco · · Score: 1
    John Wade, CIO at Saint Luke's Health System Inc., sometimes dresses in drag and encourages other unusual behavior.

    That's not to make work more fun, he just has "issues." Not that there's anything wrong with that.

  46. Anybody remember Mr. Show? by niktemadur · · Score: 1

    TFA reminds me of Greg Sniper, AKA Grass Valley Greg, the man who invented the Delete button. His company's motto was "Where ideas can hang out...and do whatever!" GVG made his employees take tofutti ice cream breaks whenever HE felt like it. There was a poster in the workplace that read "Arbeit ist spiel", "Work is play".

    If I remember correctly, the sketch was based on a Microsoft executive that made his employees listen to Jimi Hendrix...whether they liked it or not.

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  47. That's not the only reason. by artifex2004 · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Southwest has had this strategy for years. Must be why they are posting profits when all other airlines are sinking into debt.


    They also tend to only hire people who are nice, willing to help others, and are always respectful to others in the company. According to mythos, sometimes managers will pretend to be prospective applicants, and walk in and sit with the real ones, to watch them. There have been applicants at the final level who have lost the job because they were rude to a secretary.

    And really, except for the mechanics on the field, nobody there is in a job where training and experience could absolutely trump being nice, thoughtful and being able to learn. And even the mechanics, you want to have caring and thinking about the people in the planes. That probably also contributed to why they lasted so long without a plane crash.

    It makes sense, doesn't it? It's a lot easier to enjoy your work environment if you don't hire jerks. :)
    1. Re:That's not the only reason. by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 1
      It makes sense, doesn't it? It's a lot easier to enjoy your work environment if you don't hire jerks. :)
      So then, where do we find managers? (Sorry, a few too many PHBs in my past.)

      Oh, and just to actually respond to the post... I sure hope the pilots and flight crew also have some modicum of qualification for what they're doing. You'd be surprised how hard it is to be a really good stew (e.g., evacuation training, dealing with drunks or medical emergencies, etc.) let alone fly even a small plane in near perfect conditions let alone land a passenger jet at near minimums with 100+ lives riding on your ability.

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      Ben
    2. Re:That's not the only reason. by artifex2004 · · Score: 1
      Oh, and just to actually respond to the post... I sure hope the pilots and flight crew also have some modicum of qualification for what they're doing. You'd be surprised how hard it is to be a really good stew (e.g., evacuation training, dealing with drunks or medical emergencies, etc.) let alone fly even a small plane in near perfect conditions let alone land a passenger jet at near minimums with 100+ lives riding on your ability.


      Are you trolling? They just had their first fatality in over 30 years of flying. It was that one in Chicago, where the plane went off the end of the runway and hit a car. The point is, there are lots of people technically qualified for just about any position. It pays to hold out for the nice ones, if you can.
    3. Re:That's not the only reason. by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 1
      Are you trolling? They just had their first fatality in over 30 years of flying. It was that one in Chicago, where the plane went off the end of the runway and hit a car. The point is, there are lots of people technically qualified for just about any position. It pays to hold out for the nice ones, if you can.
      Not trolling. You sort of answered your own comment though. The accident in Chicago was the first fatal accident for Southwest in 30 years. Not a bad record at all if you compare to other airlines. Also, I agree, holding out for people who fit the corporate culture of "nice" is a really good idea.

      My only complaint was the original post sounded like only the competence of the ground crew mattered. I'll grant you that there are lots of non-flight related jobs at any airline that applying a criteria like nice makes sense. I'just like the idea that flight related jobs at an airline also have a criteria competence; not just "nice".

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      Ben
  48. Loving your job is a blessing from above... by Thaidog · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Very few do in the IT world. Most people are not happy until they have a certain $$$ figure with their job. Little do these people know that $$$ does not always come hand in hand with respect.

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    ||| I still can't believe Parkay's not butter.

  49. which fun by catmistake · · Score: 1

    no fun in /bin /sbin /usr/bin /usr/sbin /usr/local/bin

  50. Moral Booster by Scott+Swezey · · Score: 1

    Forgive me from my comments, I just had a shitty day at work (Costco, boxing stuff for members), and have to admit that ive never had issues with customers before today. Anyways, on with the post

    A) Since this is IT, fire moron people who pull stupid shit and waste your time. ie, an idiot keeps getting email viruses from personal email. or, if your working with customers like me... Cancel their membership and remind him of what an ass he is (And I know that ppl will say that this would be bad, but this dude took lots of time, pissed off both the cashier and I, and was overly unpleasent. Him, his family and his friends wont detract largely from the 100k we generate in an hour)

    B) Take pictures of the employee/customer from answer A of you strangling them with a computer cord, then let the staff add funny captions or comments to them. Or, if you work at costco like me, smash their eggs/bread, and make sure their chicken gets grease all over the new cloths they bought (after the transaction is complete, of course), then have their membership cancelled.

    Customer Service blows
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    By the way, if any of the morons I had to deal with today are reading this, I will A) Assume i've lost my job, not that I care at this point, and B) want to wish you a Merry Christmas, err, excuse me, "Happy Holidays"!!

    --
    Scott Swezey
    1. Re:Moral Booster by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Customer Service blows

      Yes it does. My absolute worst nightware would be in a retail position, even more in one like Costco running the assembly line checkout counter that is always packed. There is absolutely nothing you can add to that position that could make it any better for yourself. I feel for you.
      People need to see both sides of any situation.
      1 - You, having a ball buster day, thinking about your last minute things, probably do not want to deal with the mass of last minute shoppers etc..
      2 - The customer. Being Xmas eve, probably not having a very good day either, traffic, family, last minute things to do etc..
      The problem comes more often then not, the customer trying to flex some muscle thinking they hold some form of higher rank then you do and treating you like a third class citizen or assuming you are the cause of their expectation not being met. They COULD work with you but instead try to be hard. I was at KMart the other day trying to look at a MP3 player behind a locked glass door. I waited almost 10 minutes for the cashier at the photo center to get to me with a key as she waited on people at the register. She apologized for taking so long and thanked me for being patient. Well, it is not HER fault she was the only one working in that entire electronics section of the store, why yell and express frustration at her? She is obviously doing a job. I was polite the whole time. MANY times in that same situation, people are mumbling under their breath, come off with some stupid thing like looking at their watch and grunting, comments like "Finally, I've been here all day" etc.. Those people are idiots and there are way too many of them.
      I used to do IT a major airline. I know people do not think highly of the CSRs at the airport but I've worked with them while they were helping customers so I;ve seen it from both sides. It is not that they are any different from any customer service person in any industry, they simply tell you like it is without sugar coating it and have heard every excuse in the book. The Kmart employee or someone at the Costco register will buckle down, the airline people do not. Late for a flight or got to the gate late? Tough shit, the door is shut. Do you really really need to get on that flight? So do the other 228 people already on the plane that were on time. Did not know you were supposed to be there 5 minutes before departure? Everyone else did and was. Why hold the door for you and hold them up? Stuck at security checkpoint? How is that their fault. Plane delayed by weather, what do you want them to do, drive you to a hotel and kiss your ass the whole way? It is comical to hear the same excuses and issues by late passengers day after day after day.

    2. Re:Moral Booster by Scott+Swezey · · Score: 1

      Ha, working at an airline like that sounds like fun, altho I do realize how much work they do. There have been a few times when we showed up early like many others to try and have our seats changed.

      Anyways, thanks for the reply, cheered me up, along with thoughts of what I would do differently to help me lose my job next time.

      Happy Holidays!

      --
      Scott Swezey
  51. Even Sadder....... by Rank_Tyro · · Score: 1

    I'm moderating.

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  52. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does having fun make ANY job more enjoyable?.................. *yes*.

    Not as much as .................... MONEY!

  53. my boss has a great time and laughs alot too.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    like every time I ask about bonuses or when their going to lift the salary freeze from 2001 "becuase times WERE tough".

  54. make fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    make: *** No rule to make target `fun'. Stop.

  55. MOD THE TROLL UP!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    MOD THE TROLL UP!!!

    1. Re:MOD THE TROLL UP!!! by werewolf1031 · · Score: 1

      If only I had a mod point... yes, even for an AC. Damn, that's funny. :)

  56. Office Space by Toba82 · · Score: 1

    This fun-from-above standpoint is akin to "expressing yourself" by wearing your 35 pieces of flair.

    Fun that is fun because it's fun is fun. Fun that is fun because the boss says so is not.

    --
    I pretend to know more than I really do by mooching off google and wikipedia.
  57. kill fun by catmistake · · Score: 1

    -bash: kill: fun: no such pid

  58. Improved morale and good chemistry... by Vexler · · Score: 1

    I currently work in a higher-ed environment, and one way that our team stays relaxed and ready at the same time is by spending time with each other. I know this sounds a bit corny, but if you like the people you work with, then you enjoy spending time with them. Part of improving morale is knowing that there are actually *good* parts to your job and working those to your advantage.

    One thing we do is having daily Quake fragfests around lunch time. Even the director drops by, shakes his head, chuckles and shuffles away. We are even in the process of designing (when we are not doing projects or solving problems, of course) a large Quake map after the actual physical buildings of our school.

    Each team is different, and each company/organization is different. For us, we find that (a) we like the work, (b) we like each other (except when "J" has a BFG10K and all I got is a lousy gauntlet). We work to use that to build relationships within the team, and that has positive, outflowing effects on our attitude towards the customers.

    1. Re:Improved morale and good chemistry... by Sigma+7 · · Score: 1
      I currently work in a higher-ed environment, and one way that our team stays relaxed and ready at the same time is by spending time with each other. I know this sounds a bit corny, but if you like the people you work with, then you enjoy spending time with them. Part of improving morale is knowing that there are actually *good* parts to your job and working those to your advantage.


      Actually, that's not corny - it's fully accurrate, and provides much more benefit than most so-called morale boosting activities. (e.g. ones that force everyone to join, and that look like it was organized by a high-school student).

      Some people recognize those things a mile away. I am one of them, after experiencing it first hand, every year during elementry/high-school. It was okay the first time around, but eventually felt just like everything else at school - dull and boring.

      We are even in the process of designing (when we are not doing projects or solving problems, of course) a large Quake map after the actual physical buildings of our school.


      Careful... That's one of the 10 magical signs that you are going to do a killing spree at your school - among other things such as "introversion, generally remains to himself", "refusing to unquestionably accept authority", "Tendancy not to carry ID, in-spite of the fact that such ID takes a few years to obtain", etc.

  59. How about: Be Cynical.... by argoff · · Score: 2, Insightful

    You see, in the IT industry - there are all these sales people who are constantly trying to push this proprietary crap down your throat 7x24 that is alsmost always expensive, and will almost certainly be obsolete in a few years. You will have a much more fufilling career, if you are cyincal about all of this, and embrace non-proprietary stuff whenever you whenever you cen even if it is a little more work and a little less feature rich. Over the years, the non proprietary also has the advantage that it tends to build on itself while the proprietary stuff will often keep re-inventing the wheel and charge for it.

    1. Re:How about: Be Cynical.... by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      That's nice. If you could turn some of that cynicism to the cult of open source, then you'd realise that one isn't necessarily any better than the other.

      But forget it--just keep living in your little fantasy world.

      --

      "People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
  60. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by mnmn · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I have lots of fun working at a high paying job. I'll have MORE fun with higher income.

    --
    "Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
  61. Well just look at Google by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 1

    If you read their job benefits and what they have in their main building, it's easy to see why people like working at Google.
    http://www.google.com/support/jobs/bin/static.py?p age=why-ca-mv.html

    Of course having fun makes a job more enjoyable, regardless of what the job actually is.

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  62. echo fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    $ echo fun fun $ echo fun fun $ echo fun fun

  63. Uhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does Having Fun Make IT More Enjoyable?
    This is a tough one, but I'm going to go with yes. Its fun. Everyone enjoys fun.

  64. Impossible by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure that IT is NEVER fun.

  65. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by Weird_one · · Score: 1

    nay, it's just the editors loosing capitalization skills like the previously lost anti-dupe skills, grammer skills, and spelling skills.

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    "Secrecy is the keystone of all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy ... [sic] censorship.
  66. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by sigloiv · · Score: 2, Insightful

    At the same time, this reminds me a lot of the hilarious series The Office. I mean, just because a boss is trying to be funny and cheer everyone up, doesn't mean he's succeeding...

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    Software is like sex. It's better when it's free. -Linus Torvalds
  67. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by Geoffreyerffoeg · · Score: 1

    it's just the editors loosing capitalization

    Heh. You know what they say about the pot calling the ketle black.

  68. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
    "I have a great time at work..."

    I hear ya...and agree with you...fun at IT jobs DO help things.

    My first IT job years ago was a great atmosphere. Our BU mgr. basically gave us programmers carte blanche to do what we wanted...as long as the work was done on time and done well. We spent lunch hours that ran over quite a bit over an hour each day playing Descent, Duke Nuke'em...and other games over the network...with speakers at full blast and all the yelling and all that went with it. No problems.

    We'd take breaks....play hacky sack outside our cubes. Hell...we were in a new bldg....and had scuffed up the walls with our dress shoes (dressy casual there). The bldg. admin had gotten in a huff...dragged us all in with the BU leader to chew us out....before she could get up and and start bitching...he stood up and said, "hey guys..play that outside...or just be careful not to scuff the walls.....and dismissed us without any scolding.

    This is the same place that would send our team out twice a year, during the day, with pay on the company dollar to team building days....these involved all day tubing trips down the buffalo river...ski days at a lake, bowling...lazer tag..keg parties for the whole company (I think was a few 1000 people then)....etc.

    I gotta say..we were the tightest team...got many things done way ahead of time and ahead of schedule...they paid for us to have fun, and let us be adults about how we used our time...and it paid off.

    I think tho...they finally dropped out of that mode after I left...it is a shame..I seriously doubt they got more response and work out of people acting like every other company....

    I don't understand why more companies, even ones that get big, don't just try to let people enjoy their jobs, have fun....etc. If they abuse the privileges...then can them, but, as long as the job is done...let them do it 'their way'.

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    Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
  69. Does Having Fun Make IT More Enjoyable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    DUH!!

  70. Organization > "Having Fun" at work by SpecialAgentXXX · · Score: 1

    So, not only would I have to deal with unorganized management who promises the clients the world in a horribly unreasonable amount of time, and without consulting IT, but I would also have to squeeze into my already overtime-qualified day some more time to have "fun" with my other co-workers in order to boost morale??? Forgive me if I sound cynical, but I would much, much, much, much rather have organized timelines, clear specifications from the client, and an 8-hour workday instead of "fun." Besides, it's called going to work , not going to fun . Besides, the geeks & dorks that I work with in IT don't know the meaning of fun. Now, the cute girls in sales & marketing... that's a different story!

  71. yes fun by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    fun
    fun
    fun
    fun
    fun
    fun
    ...

  72. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Uhhhh, kettle?

  73. ObReference by DF5JT · · Score: 1

    "Oh, and remember, next Friday is Hawaiian shirt day"

  74. Er... by Seeker310 · · Score: 1

    Well I hate to be the killjoy here but you know I wouldn't be suprised if some of those things (like the pictures with captions among others) could be considered harassment of some form or another.

    What can I say, it's the world we live in I guess...but one person's jokes could definitely be another person's lawsuit.

    So Know your audience first....and remember that there -are- some things which are funny regardless of (insert sociological grouping here)'s orientation or whatever.

    1. Re:Er... by Killjoy_NL · · Score: 1

      Well I am Killjoy and I agree with you :)

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  75. more fun by catmistake · · Score: 1

    fun: No such file or directory

  76. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by Robbyboy · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I agree with this sentiment. You can have a job shoveling turds for a living, but if you are in a good environment than you tend to forget the turds and enjoy the funny people. Case in point: I served 135 days in the middle east during the first OIF back in 03. I served with some of the best people ever encountered in my career. SCUD missle alerts, Chemical alerts, little sleep, but the people were what made it worth while. We all had very serious jobs (I worked in intel), but everyone found a way to make it fun, but remain professional. During our evening intel briefs at the shop (We did a dry run prior to briefing the General), the last slide would always be the "dumas" award winner for the goofup of the day. That was inspired by the leadership for a laugh. We occasionally got ours tho, because from time to time, we would make sure that slide would stay in the General's brief. Everyone got a good laugh, everyone had a good time, everyone had FUN. Yes Virginia, fun is possible in a combat zone!

    Cheers

    Robert A. Wukich, Sr FF/EMT-B

  77. Hats off to ScuttleMonkey... by Anita+Coney · · Score: 1

    King of the double entendre! I had to read that title three times before I figured out it WASN'T about sex!

    --
    If someone says he and his monkey have nothing to hide, they almost certainly do.
  78. Again, brilliant work from our corporate masters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gee, now that I look back, I have enjoyed myself more during those times I had fun versus the times I didn't have fun. I can't believe how seamlessly this correlation works.

    Furthermore, I've noticed that I've been unhappy during times of sadness. I can't help wondering if there's a relationship here.

  79. Next up: Mgmt wonders if bears poops in the woods by FlyingSpank · · Score: 1

    Dammit. I meant so ignore most of Slashdot over Xmas - I do have family, etc.
    But the DUH! factor of this set me off.

    Thank (fill in your favorite deity here ) that I'm out of IT. Whilst this stupidity is not limited to management, its just another reminder that due to the environment, politics, etc of (your workplace) some really stupid ( people, trends, and behaviors ) can foster.

    There's no cure for this kind of shit, so I have no real soapbox. However, for those of you who can spot management bullshit like this (including the new fake moreale boosting ), dont buy into it.

    Next week, some senior managers in some other aspect of a firm ( lets say .. accounting ) will ponder if the Pope is catholic.

  80. Seems like a lot of hard work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just tell my team to read the details of their company "benefits" package. why waste all that time *trying* to be funny?

  81. First rule of observing other companies by Darius+Jedburgh · · Score: 1

    Dale Sanders, head of IT at Northwestern Medical Faculty Foundation

    What the head of the department thinks their staff think bears little relation to what they actually think.
  82. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by SoloFlyer2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Yeah, at a place i previously worked we did a similar thing...

    We would play small simple games at lunch (Think Flash Games), though we usally didnt take anymore than the alloted hour :)

    After hours was a different thing all together, we would play Half-life, Counter-strike, TFC, DOD and many other games... We would usually play for about 1.5 to 2 hours each day...
    and Managment Loved it... Why? Simple...anyone working overtime who was having problems with computers could still call IT... and they didnt have to pay us to be there for the extra time...

    I also found that out of every place i have ever worked the team morale was much much much higher...

    --
    "I reject your reality, and substitute my own" - Adam Savage
  83. Does Having Fun Make IT More Enjoyable? by Eric+Damron · · Score: 1

    This is a trick question righ?

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    The race isn't always to the swift... but that's the way to bet!
  84. Does Having Fun Make IT More Enjoyable? by sabat · · Score: 1

    Does Having Fun Make IT More Enjoyable?

    I dunno, is tonight Christmas Eve?

    DUH. If you're not having fun, you're probably not doing a very good (or enthusiastic) job.

    Imagine Scotty the engineer not having fun on his job. Sure, he got frustrated, but he was still having fun.

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    I, for one, welcome our new Antichrist overlord.
  85. has posted photos ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's a great way to get punched in the neck.

  86. What?! by blair1q · · Score: 1

    Of course not. Fun? Enjoyable? Bosh!

    What makes your IT job more enjoyable is being treated like a second-class employee. Having to reheat the coffee when you're called in by someone who can't find the "any" key. Training your own replacement before he takes your job home to Bangalore.

    Fun? What an astonishing waste of time.

  87. hmmm... let me think.... by Bodhammer · · Score: 0, Troll

    no.

    you sir, are fuckwit for asking. Now go audit your TPS reports dickhead.

    --
    "I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
  88. Improving Morale-Love Machine. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "We certainly wouldn't to go to the effort and cost of providing decent pay, decent benefits, and treating employees like valued members of the company as a way to improve morale."

    Of course not. You're suppose to be providing your own "love", as in "doing it for the love". We tried it with money, and look what happened (dotBOOM!). Plus all your friends are going to make fun of you if we start giving you money "Neener, neener. Mordors9 is doing it for the mooonneey! Let's torment him till he cries." I don't know about you, but I'd give in before they ask you to leave the club. Nothing sadder than an ex-IT worker making thousands as a lawyer.

  89. Fun With IMs by Flwyd · · Score: 1

    In the developer cubicles, when we want to get someone's attention we often throw something -- a pen cap, a soft frisbee, a packet of parmesan cheese -- at the person so they'll take off their headphones and look around. We call it an "Instant Message."

    One of the gifts at our office White Elephant party yesterday was about 30 small koosh balls. That ought to keep things interesting.

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    Ceci n'est pas une signature.
  90. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by farrellj · · Score: 1

    DOH! (More DOHs so that the stupid lameness filter will not kick in!)

    ttyl
              Farrell

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  91. encourages others to add funny (and tasteful) capt by r1_97 · · Score: 1

    Give them job satisfaction, not some BS cartoons. Give people respect for doing challeging work where they can see results of their contribution. Unfortunately there are too many talented people without the courage to leave their PHB in a Dilbert work enviornment.

  92. Honestly... by Greyfox · · Score: 1
    Most of the employers who've tried to make the job "fun" have done so by trying to force me to participate in activities with my fellow employees. Most of whom aren't very much fun at all. At least not until the electric go-cart accidentally discharges 50,000 volts through them. But then everyone gets all bent out of shape, just when things start to get interesting...

    I derive far more enjoyment from my work when my manager actually takes me seriously when I tell him that module he wants is going to take 2 months to code, no way around it. Or that all Bob's code is going to have to be rewritten during his extended hospital stay (What with the tragic electrocution and all) because he's such a crappy programmer. It doesn't hurt to throw a new technology into the mix every so often, either...

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    I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?

  93. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'll gently disagree. I've had jobs I've enjoyed not because they were fun, per-se, but because the Not-Fun was kept far away from me. Basically, the jobs were interesting, management was supportive or absent, and i was left unencumbered to actually do work and accomplish something. You can skip the foosball tables, hawaiian shirt day, and mandatory bowling outings, and instead fire the incompetent cow-worker and preening, empire-building, managers. Average pressure decreases, more work gets done, and the employees are more contented.

    I had a job years later that had more outright "Fun", but it also had some gold-plated broccoli moments, which in the end trumped the former, and caused me to depart. Fun is fine, but if the work in between gives you an acid stomach before you even arrive, whether or not the trigger incident happens that day, then the job is not enjoyable. Of course, the compensations were fun like trying out large simulations on new machines before they were released to users.

    So, it's not fun, but the lack of its opposite, that makes a job more enjoyable. I think the motto for workplaces should be "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Nirvana."

    --
    the more accurate the calculations became, the more the concepts tended to vanish into thin air. R. S. Mulliken
  94. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by Zenmonkeycat · · Score: 1

    Yes, but having fun with your own IT job makes your coworkers' jobs impossible.

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    I yearn for you tragically,
    A.T. Tappman, Chaplain, U.S. Army.

  95. Had a boss who tried that-Creative Turn-ons. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "A popular technique in consumer electronics is to let people design things they'll actually want to use."

    Works for the sex industry.

  96. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by cbreaker · · Score: 1

    I share much of the same philosophy- I'll take that bundle of cash even if the job sucks, and it will enable me to do whatever I want when I'm not there.

    However, while earning lots of money offsets the will to quit a bad job, it doesn't make it any easier to put in the 40 hours. We spend a lot of our lives at work.

    Sometimes it's not worth it. If you're at a shitty 80k/yr job, and you have the chance to get a much more enjoyable job that's closer to home for 70k/yr, a lot of people might take it.

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  97. great! by dwater · · Score: 1

    It use to be that you just had to be good at your job in order to be employed.

    Then they made it so you had to be an egotistical, self-confident, and extroverted. If you were in the least bit shy, realistic about your own abilities, etc, then you were out of luck.

    Now you have to have a sense of humour too!

    Bah humbug!

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    Max.
  98. but why...? by dartarrow · · Score: 1

    " Does having fun make ANY job more enjoyable?.................. *yes*. "
     
      Having fun implies we are doing it because we want to as opposed to because we have to. It signifies choice, even if it is an illusion of choice. It is the difference with allowing the horse to walk to the water and drink versus dragging it to the river and forcing its head into the water. It would die before it drinks. Regardless of how thirsty it might be.

      Its xmas morning. I'm thirsty.

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    I love humanity, it is people I hate
  99. Best way to kill time on a job... by MikeSty · · Score: 0

    Read Slashdot!!! DUH!

  100. I work at SLHS... by Rush_898 · · Score: 1

    ...and let me be the first to say I've never seen the man in drag, but it would be worth a laugh.

  101. less fun by Shawn+is+an+Asshole · · Score: 1

    That's what work gets every single day...

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    "It ain't a war against drugs.it's a war against personal freedom" --Bill Hicks
  102. Uh....yeah!? by jav1231 · · Score: 1

    This reminds me of when one of my best friends of mine started with the same company. He and I had been in IT for years and had met through our hobby of computing. We used to have fun, cut up at work, and generally enjoy the work we were doing. Mainly because it was the same "work" we did at home for fun. A supervisor pulled us aside and told us that the perception around the cube farm was that we didn't appear to be very serious and joked around too much. Our response was that we enjoyed our work. Frankly, it wasn't "work" to us, we were having a ball. Our work reflected our abilities and our systems were solid. Our application servers were running great and when problems arose, they were generally handled quickly. Our background certainly showed in the knowledge we brought and we generally had more to bring to a problem then most of the people we worked with. I think IT, even more so now, is made up of people who love the work and people who said, "Hey, I'll go into IT. I could do that." It doesn't mean they're incompetent but it does mean they will never truly love their work. They may like their job, but that probably would have liked any job they had put the time in to study and learn about. For them IT is like being a bank teller or stocking shelves or any other job. It's neither fun nor not fun at any given time.

  103. It's great, but it should not be routine... by Soham · · Score: 1

    Laughing and having fun is a great thing to do and keeps interest alive. But it is like that only when done impromptu - when not planned for. When you make it a routine and part of the daily exercise, it loses the charm.

  104. Motivation is simple by hey! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    succeed.

    If you are succeeding, and people have a meaningful part in that sucess, and are treated like they have a meaningful part in that success, then you don't have motivation problems.

    Of course, that's like Steve Martin's routine about how you can make a million dollars and never pay taxes. Part one is get a milion dollars, part two is don't pay your taxes. Most of us don't know how to get to step one.

    It's like whistling when you walk past the graveyard, the cargo cult management formulas for improving morale and productivity. I remember once spending a week long retreat with the CEO, in a cabin on a remote island with no electricity, nothing but the senior managers, a Phd management consultant and piles of flip charts. The topic: what is the business we are in. I remember thinking, if the CEO doesn't friggen know, we're in deep shit.

    Incompetence, lack of direction and above dread of that which must not be spoken are like millstones around our necks. Doubt gnaws at us: fear that the terrible secret of how poorly we have managed our commitments will be made public. Anger and resentment eats at us like a canker, patched over with thinning layer of hopeless bravado. We struggle daily through a morass of pointless activity: the bulk of the work we do is cleaning up our messes, shifting blame, or delaying the inevitable.

    Free your workers from these burdens and you won't need any tricks. Tear of the covers on the festering mess and let the light and air in. Don't try to manage the morale problem: you can't without patronizing, and if your workers aren't smart enough to know they're being patronized, they're probably not smart enough to work in IT.

    If you try so hard to make things come out the way they are supposed to, and it doesn't work, perhaps dealing with the way things are wouldn't be so bad. If you are so much less than the sum of your parts, then perhaps you are misusing your parts. Look around with open eyes: things may be bad, but they aren't so bad that they can't be improved. Mere mediocrity would be outstanding in the cesspool of dishonesty and pretense that is business. Our model of success has become exploitation, where there are only two classes of people: winners and suckers. Many have done well by this model. But not you. If you are worrying about motivation you don't have the stomach for that game. Real operators don't need gimmicks, they keep the suckers eating out of their hands until they're done with them. You obviously need a different model.

    In short: Promise little, deliver much. Don't manage the people around you, relate to them. If managing appearances doesn't work, then live by eternal virtues like honesty, fidelity, honor and bravery. Don't think like a manager, think like a primitive barbarian hero: company after all comes from the same linguistic roots as companion: it means people who share each other's bread.

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    1. Re:Motivation is simple by DaveAtFraud · · Score: 4, Insightful

      No mod points so I'll just say, "Superb."

      I worry that the flaw in what you are looking for is the lack of managers with the guts and talent to carry it out. It's so much easier to find an a-hole who will bully people than to find a competent manager who can successfully lead. Sadly, the more incompetent the upper management, the more likely it is that the bullying technique will be rewarded since, to appearances, lots of people working long hours and weekends seems to mean that more is being done than by well motivated people only working reasonable hours.

      Fewer and fewer upper managers (C?O level) seem to understand that the same people who achieve amazing things in a forty hour week can be turned into unproductive drones working sixty hours by their favored "hard charging" overseer. Motivated people will "do what it takes" to get the job done. The same people, beaten up into working "as long as it takes," will accomplish very little. Sad.

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    2. Re:Motivation is simple by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      Amen!

      Ummm...bloody hell. Exactly right. The original discussion about fun in the workplace is a perfect example of how management often misses the point entirely. If work is truly not a fun place to be, it's likely because the staff have had all of the interest and wit squeezed out of them, not because they need a bloody CIO mincing around in drag, while they work 60-hour weeks to desperately hold the company together.

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    3. Re:Motivation is simple by OldAndSlow · · Score: 1
      Motivated people will "do what it takes" to get the job done.

      Yeah, and it is one of the jobs of a good manager to make sure that people don't burn themselves out. There is at least a little of the hero in all of us, but a boss who lets folks work beyond their normal bandwidth for very long is a fool.

      I have never met anyone who could sustain their creativity working much more than 40hrs/week for long periods. It seems to me that the limit is about 6 weeks in cruch mode. After that you may be present, but you are nowhere near as effective as normal. And even after a 6 week crunch, you have to pay back the extra productivity with what DeMarco calls 'undertime.'

    4. Re:Motivation is simple by rjason · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you but all that is crap! I work for money, the more the better too.The big shots can do what they want if the price is right. OH look theres a nickle on the ground!!!!

    5. Re:Motivation is simple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Why do my posts get modded down when I quote a conservative in my sig? Liberal bias? On Slashdot? Nah!

      Most conservatives are too busy working to post or moderate on /.

      Leftists don't work by definition, so they have lots of time to rant on boards.

      Watch this basic truth be modded down to -2

  105. I suggest by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 1

    Hiring a professional comedian for the office, except don't tell anyone he's a professional comedian. Just make him pretend to be working behind the computer, but his real job is cracking jokes all day and boosting morale.

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  106. Totally Agree! by ChaserPnk · · Score: 1

    As I was reading this article, I realized that this is so true. I started working for a company about 3 weeks ago. The company has 300 employees. The manager, Al, has a very boisterous style. Everyone jokes that you don't look for Al--you listen for him.
    I realized that this is actually a pretty clever management style. Nothing wakes you up on Monday morning than a lively atmosphere and a jovial manager. This also keeps all the company's informed about the goings on of the company--which is always a good thing.

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  107. 3wares promotional material by Fittysix · · Score: 1

    I work for a small computer company and 3ware sent us an infatable beachball which still to this day is somwhere in our shop, apparently they subscibe to this idea of fun on the job. :)
    Personally I can say the beachball has made some of my days more enjoyable, and other tech companies need to follow this example.

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  108. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by Ruff_ilb · · Score: 1

    If Fun(IT) = infinity, then Fun(IT) + More Fun = infinity.

    And we ALL know that IT is infinitely fun.

    So the answer is no.

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  109. Having fun? by bcdlr · · Score: 1

    How about outsourcing? Downsizing, reorganization or aqusitions? It would be fun if I could just do my job and be left alone. That would be fun. I like what I do but I hate my job. Yes, I'm IT.

  110. The key to morale by BoneFlower · · Score: 1

    Take care of your people.

    They will then take care of you.

    The leaders I've been most loyal to are the ones that first make sure I have everything I need to do my job, and then get out of my way so I can do it. My morale is best under such conditions - I will move mountains for such a leader if I have to.

    That said, reasonable office hijinks that don't directly relate to the job can be a lot of fun and take the drudgery out of things. Wouldn't do much at my job, most of us are out in the field most of the day, hell, I'm not acutally in the office more than once a week, occasionally twice. Which goes back to my main point. I'm getting the job done, so they don't force me to check in all the time and be seen. They know that if they put the calls in my box, they will be completed, it's as simple as that. So they stay out of my way and let me get it done.

  111. In Other News... by VxJasonxV · · Score: 1

    Cold water isn't hot.

    Welcome to your common sense award of the day. :-)

  112. Word of Caution... by B5_geek · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Everybody remembers the scene in Office Space where the whole room is covered in Post-It notes.

    I did this.

    I got in SOO much shit. My manager (the person who's office I did), kept bringing it up after 3 quarterly reviews and mentioned again for that last 2 Yearly reviews.

    Then the fucker had the nerve to say that "We want to support an atmosphere of fun and play."

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    1. Re:Word of Caution... by sw155kn1f3 · · Score: 1

      That's why they put "Wearing costume doesn't make you fly" warning on Superman costumes.

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  113. Easiest option for fun by algoa456 · · Score: 0

    That's easy, just push out the project deadline. Just make it more realistic. Everyone will be overjoyed. The entire app development team will be ecstatic.

  114. It's certainly what Rushkoff is talking about by Valejo · · Score: 1

    It's certainly a popular thought right now.

  115. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by Saeed+al-Sahaf · · Score: 1

    Maybe, but I think the main thing that would make work more enjoyable is... MONEY. More money.

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  116. Outsourcing fun... by db10 · · Score: 1

    ...to Bangalore, oh noes!

  117. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Our Staff gets its daily dose of laughter getting Windows to work.

  118. No Way to Stop It by NixLuver · · Score: 1

    If your team is going to have fun, it's going to have fun. An employer will have to get draconian to stop it. However, if your team lacks that particular chemistry necessary, nothing the employer can do will create it. As other posts have had it, employers should work to maintain an open, un-oppressive environment, with good pay and benefits, and a work-life balance that's not too skewed; the fun will take care of itself.

  119. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by shawb · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hey... don't knock shoveling turds for a living. I work at an animal control facility, and after you get past the grossnes of it, cleaning up after dogs etc gets a sort of rewarding feeling in its own right. I don't know if I'd personally ever be able to get comfortable with cleaning up human feces, but dog? No problem. But yeah, working with people that can occasionally get goofy prevents the days from dragging on. It can be almost essential during stressful periods. Maybe it's just the camaraderie that you build up, so when you're feeling stress just having people that you feel comfortable around takes a big load off.

    On the other hand excessive (or innapropriate) clowning can sometimes have social drawbacks. Or just create a whole mess of extra work.

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  120. is it really supposed to be enjoyable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    my company's idea of making IT more enjoyable is giving us more responsibility, laying off staff or not replacing those that got smart and quit, making us work round the clock, giving us rediculous deadlines, crappy hardware, and then yelling at us when things don't run smoothly. then they don't pay overtime, on call pay, or my travelling expenses, despite them being submitted a month ago.

    anyone else have to work christmas weekend? and not get paid? or on call pay?

    nice. my verification word is capstan. yep, i do feel like i am going round and round getting nowhere.

  121. IT Negros by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I swear, upper and middle management treated people there like children more than respected employees

    Having worked in IT for calls centers in the Midwest US, I have to concur. Call center hourly employees are regarded as mindless, mostly useless, barely trainable children.

    At the same time, I've seen an attitude emerge from much of corporate America about IT workers comperable to the 1940s blackface attitude. I'm sure many fellow /.ers have seen it - it's the condescending, nearly derogatory looking down upon the geeky IT workers as "funny, colorful geeky people" that will never be treated as equals in senior management, let alone mid-levels.

    I had an experience three weeks ago with a committee of these types. A few former accountants, a sales type and some mindless bureaucratic admin types. I was there as the "IT security expert" that was auditing their business unit and in many respects, their balls were in my hand per their need to pass the audit. They naturally humored me with all the absurd assumptions about how technical people are (my real techie friends would have laughed at my classification as one of them, but I digress!). They got very nervous when I didn't geek out over their new NIDS appliance and instead shifted to risk management and IT controls questions (things they only hear from their business unit exec). I totally related to a black friend's story about sitting next to an old white woman on a United flight and being asked to sing, since "all you blacks are so musical people."

    When you understand their humorous yet degrading references are intended to reduce the threat you present to them, you can have a field day with them. My favorite is shifting from techie to calculating a modified IRR on a capital budget item (e.g. replacing an old firewall and justifying it on some cashflows) - the beancounters totally freak that you know their language as well (or better) than they do, and the sales guy runs out of the room screaming.

    So if you want to survive as an IT geek, learn finance my friends. Capital budgeting, present value of cash discounting methods, you name it. Then these people have nothing left to hold over you, and you have a lot to intimidate them with.

    1. Re:IT Negros by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      Great post.

      And yeah, I've been looking into taking some business courses myself for a while, actually. Haven't yet gotten around to it, though I'm currently in meetings with some like-minded geeks about starting a software company partnership. One of them (the main guy with the idea) apparently really liked a presentation I put together for one of my college courses (about a theoretical business based around my own open source software offering). We'll see how that turns out.

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    2. Re:IT Negros by TheSpoom · · Score: 1

      Oh, and another thought: considering that the only technical test (other than the automated online one I took when I applied) that Stream gave me during my interview was to open notepad, save a file to the desktop, then copy it from there to a disk, I think the reason they treat people as untrainable is because they don't have any technical troubleshooting skills in the first place, and thus shouldn't have been hired there.

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  122. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by geminidomino · · Score: 1

    And we ALL know that IT is infinitely fun.

    Sounds like someone's either in the first stages of his first IT job, or is being sarcastic but forgot the bite at the end.

    If it's the former, I really don't have the heart to tell him, especially on Christmas.

    Curse you, compassion!

  123. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by Guspaz · · Score: 1

    A good working environment makes a job more enjoyable? Why didn't we think of this before!

  124. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by Nataku564 · · Score: 1

    Indeed. What I find most enjoyable about a job is if the people there actually enjoy there jobs, and are genuinely fun people. I have had more than enough of managers putting on the phoney fun act.

  125. Screw 'fun', show me the money! by Mordant · · Score: 1

    That way, I can have fun buying rounds at the bar whilst railing against my stupid managers, even stupid users, etc.

  126. Fun can be great for stress and free thinking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work at home for a great VOIP co but in the offices they can enjoy and do greatly, playing post lunch rounds of fusball, a rack of billards on a full sized table or the lesser used ping pong.
    At random the CEO and the VP will make southern ribs on a BBQ and sodas are always plentiful and free.

    As a result people are happier, more relaxed and we care for the orgization as people and not just numbers on a HR spead sheat.

  127. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...it's just the editors loosing capitalization skills like the previously lost anti-dupe skills, grammer skills, and spelling skills

    Ummmmm, I take it you are one of the aforementioned editors who lost his spelling skills?

  128. Recent Experience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I recently started work in the Support dept. at a large corporation (I won't mention where, but they're known as a lesser demon here on /.). For a few months, my cube was isolated from my fellow team members, and right next to the Manager's cube.

    Recently I moved over to where everyone else is, and literally minutes after doing so, I was more productive, happier, less stressed out and generally getting along much better with everyone. My new job seemed all of a sudden less daunting, and much more managable. The magic ingredient? The ability to screw around and bullshit with my coworkers for a few minutes here and there. Works absolute wonders.

  129. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by cduffy · · Score: 1

    I mean, just because a boss is trying to be funny and cheer everyone up, doesn't mean he's succeeding...

    Yes, yes, yes. I would far rather a boss who actually respects his team, takes our opinions seriously, fires the incompetant people and lets us do our blue-sky R&D projects now and again to one who makes jokes or tries to take the team out to lunch every week but lacks the former attributes.

  130. Hmm by Tim+Browse · · Score: 1
    John Wade, CIO at Saint Luke's Health System Inc., sometimes dresses in drag and encourages other unusual behavior

    I suppose that's one step above:

    "Fun will now commence."
    -- Seven of Nine
  131. Fun by dfolk · · Score: 2
    Having fun makes anything more enjoyable by definition.

    The thing is, you don't neccessarily have to enjoy or like what you are doing to have fun. In my experience, having fun is more about who you work with, rather than who you work for or what you do. I don't particularly like my current job, but I like the people I work with quite a bit. I don't think I would put up with nearly as much crap from my employer if we didn't have a shrine to Napolean Dynamite and daily shock treatments. I've had some pretty boring jobs in my time, factories, garbage companies, IT... But even some of the most repetitive and boring were really fun thanks to some great people. The problem occurrs when the fun people leave, or the crap outweighs the fun. If the shock treatments aren't working anymore at this point, you have to move on.

  132. No kidding by phorm · · Score: 1

    Where I work, new members are automatically joined into the "social club." The idea is that the social club plans events for those in our board office (where my desk is situated) in an effort to, ya know, bring everyone together and have fun...

    Instead it was a royal pain in the ass. Try adjusting to a move, a new job, and trying to handle social events. In addition, while my desk was at the board office 90% of the time I am on-site elsewhere.

    Another bright idea pushed on employees down the drain. I think I made all of 2 social club meetings and after missing about a half-dozen or more they finally gave up with last-minute emails trying to get me to attend.

  133. The best fun comes with a budget by phorm · · Score: 1

    I think that the best "special day" I've had was "casual friday" at the marketing/sales department of a previous employer. Nothing specifically that you had to wear, just leave the suit and tie at home. It was particularly nice since friday being the lead-up day to a weekend after work, one could dress prepared for the night ahead.

    As to the subject of my post though, one of the nicer ways to improve employee moral is to have a budget available for it. As spontaneous needs comes up, use it. Somebody work through lunch, take him out for lunch the next. Is one of your accounting department members feeling a bit chilly, get her a porcelain heater.

    Little things with custom touches are the best way to show that you care, and the best custom touches are often the ones that show you are 'in touch' with your employees

  134. If my boss was a cross dressing stalker... by tod_miller · · Score: 1

    I would sue for emotional damages.

    I can tell my boss to fuck off (and regularly do when he starts talking in boss talk) we laugh until we are sick when we are talking water cooler talk. I enjoy the sociopathic / neurotic tendancies of my coworkers who are all completely psychotic.

    So all in all work is fun, like running through a mine field while breathing heavilty on laughing gas.

    You know what else makes work fun? Feeling good every day that either you did cracked soem great specs / code or at least, if you jerked off all day, you managed a good +5 and/or -1 on slashdot.

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  135. Two words by imipak · · Score: 1
  136. Some steps on how to do it: by houghi · · Score: 1

    1) Put BOFH into practice
    2) ???
    3) Profit

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  137. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by Eggplant62 · · Score: 1

    I keep wondering where I can find one of these jobs where management is open enough to let the staff have fun. Everywhere I go, including working for a friend's business, the people running the company have been stuffed shirts with no sense of humor and no concept of the word "fun." Then again, living in the auto manufacturing capital of the world, where just-in-time practices keeps everyone on a razor-thin edge of keeping or losing a job due to a scheduling fuck-up, it's no huge surprise that no one can allow fun.

    All work and no play makes Jack a dull boy. Too bad not many employers realize this.

  138. Real things matter by alwynschoeman · · Score: 1

    As someone who has been working for more than 10 years I find the idea of doing superficial things to cheer people up as just another example of bad management. The only people who it works for are young employees with no goal in life but to surf porn at work.

    How do you make work more fun for your employees?

    By allowing them as much freedom in doing what they like to do best. So get out of their way. Let them express themselves in their work and take ownership of what they do. Do not manage them, but lead, guide and mentor them.

    If you are not technical with a proven track record, then don't innovate, analyse, design or mandate things that you don't understand. Always consult your team, discover whose inputs you can respect and trust, who is good with what and let that knowledge guide you. You work for them, not they for you.

    Protect them from the crap from the top, even in total disregard of your own ass if it is the right thing to do.

    They may be totally incapable of managing people themselves, but they are smart and they watch what you and your bosses do. They have a gut feel of what is right and how things should be done, even for your job, and they feel very strongly about it.

    So by all means, trust, respect and protect them and they will give you the same in return. Your bosses on the other hand will throw you to the wolves any day.

    Now who would you rather have as your friend to have fun with?

    BTW. I'm looking for a job. Not sure if that makes me :) or :(

  139. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by paulatz · · Score: 1

    I guess IT means plain "it".

    If you are old enought you won't need further explanation to understand what "it" means in that sentence.

    Does having fun make "it" more enjoyable?

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  140. The real answer by Tsagadai · · Score: 1

    Please, sir, may I have another? We are all Masochists in IT.

  141. From the files of Duh Weekly by gwoodrow · · Score: 1

    Is there fun that != enjoyable? Why can't we mod the title "redundant" while doing so for my post as well?

  142. That's a silly question... by Sr.+Pato · · Score: 1
    Does Having Fun Make IT More Enjoyable?
    If you're having fun while doing something, it's because it's enjoyable. So, yes. Having fun makes anything more enjoyable.
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  143. Don't feed the animals.... by d3cr33p · · Score: 1

    We tell children all the time that nature belongs in nature. Don't feed the animals, don't steal the babies, don't try to pet the bears, etc. In other words, let things be the way they flow naturally and stay out of the way. Of course, there have to be rules and production quotas have to be met, but the best environments I have been in were the ones where the managers got involved as minimally as possible. They let the grunts know what they needed, how important it was on the priority list and then stepped back. In my current job my boss made it clear that I had 100% freedom to do what I wanted. He only would take those freedoms away if I wasn't doing my job. He has lived up to that promise. I can take time off when I need, come in when I want, talk to whom I want, when I want as long as I want. As long as I get the job done and play well with the others.
    Of course, I am a programmer and these things become harder if you work in an environment like an assembly line or other such high paced fields. But even then the job can be made much more enjoyable if the managers just learn to back off and let people do their job.
    In the end, however, it is still work. Like someone else posted here, can work ever be "fun"? Maybe not. But it should be satisfying and, at least some of the time, enjoyable.
    That said, the worst environments I have ever worked in were the ones where the managers tried to make working "fun".

  144. fun and the workplace by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 1

    - It's not fun watching the ceo drive off in a bmw after hearing benefits will be cut... again.
    - It's not fun watching your employer downsize and your friends leave.
    - It's not fun seeing your company outsource projects to 3rd world countries.
    - It's not fun watching the government turn-a-blind-eye/contribute to it.

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  145. Well yeah by Feanturi · · Score: 1

    'It' is always better when it's fun. If it's not, you're probably using the wrong hole.

  146. Not only more enjoyable... by Junta · · Score: 1

    More net productivity is the point and is valid. But it is really hard to convince a lot of managers.

    For example, I have a sort of shared leadership role with a small set of people. At the times I'm pretty much in charge, there will be an occasional bout of gaming (first person shooter, whatever so long as it can be done quickly in the period of time like a typical break or lunch). Others who have discovered this became infuriated, and complained we are spread too thin to afford any time whatsoever to goof off, ignoring the fact that we had been acheiving more than previously done.

    Managers on average can't understand the concept that anything but working during a work day can possibly yield benefit. In this case once I started the gaming on occasion, it was clear how more focused and productive people were outside those breaks. It seemed like the obvious motivational and relaxed association between workers did have an effect pretty much along the lines of what people normally expect. But perhaps more importantly, the amount of individual goofing off diminished. I.e. people would spend a fair amount of time browsing forums, news, and such. Part of that may simply be part of improved morale/motivation, but another part seemed like there was an attitude of 'they just explicitly paid me to goof off, I need to work to make up for it and to show they don't need to stop the practice for me to do well'. It's like focusing the goofing off into manageable blocks and making people want to prove they can goof off and do good work.

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  147. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by tverbeek · · Score: 3, Insightful
    At the same time, this reminds me a lot of the hilarious series The Office. I mean, just because a boss is trying to be funny and cheer everyone up, doesn't mean he's succeeding...

    Also, just because it's succeeding with some of the staff that doesn't mean it's making things more enjoyable for everyone. Some people might find the photo gags described in the article genuinely embarrassing... is that good for morale? The boss dressing in drag is the sort of thing that's going to be perceived differently by the straight men in the group than by any women or gay men (depending on how the guy behaves, the former might be creeped out by it, or the latter insulted by it). If the boss' idea of "fun" is Ace Ventura, and mine is Harold and Maude, introducing "fun" into the workplace - even if it goes over great with the Jim Carrey fans - is not going to make my job more enjoyable.

    One of the reasons for "professionalism" in a work environment is that it helps to establish a common, neutral social atmosphere. For example, several years ago when a coworker and I started working a lot on weekends - the usual expectations of office conduct set aside - I got to see what this guy was really like (stained Confederate flag t-shirt, fag jokes), which made it more difficult for me to work with him. (And I'll bet that his discovery that I was a fan of the Smiths and the Cure didn't make him any more comfortable working with me.) I'm not saying that a work environment where everyone checks their personalities at the door is a good thing, but straying from traditional standards and encouraging everyone to let their hair down can have unintended negative consequences as well.

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  148. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by Cylix · · Score: 1

    I don't know if you have tried it yet...

    Get back to us then.

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  149. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by layer3switch · · Score: 1

    I think the motto for workplaces should be "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Nirvana."

    Rough home life with wife and kids? Yeah, my sanctuary is the restroom with bolted lock...

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  150. John Wade, CIO at Saint Luke's Health System Inc by Mr.+Foofy · · Score: 1

    John Wade, CIO at Saint Luke's Health System Inc., sometimes dresses in drag And he does it just for "fun". Insert Dr. Evil "Ri-i-i-ight." here.

  151. yeah, "fun" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "has posted photos on the intranet of staffers caught in awkward moments installing cables or servers, for instance"

    Yeah, this will not be abused in a bully-ing like way, causing all sorts of subtle embarassment trauma that can't be argued against because, hey, it's all in "fun" right?

    I can guarantee you that the executives would never be caught dead in these "light hearted" pictures, simply because they don't think being demeaned is fun. They think that demeaning OTHERS is fun, see.

  152. How 'bout realistic schedules? by whitroth · · Score: 1

    I like what I do (when I'm working). I think Unix is *fun*. What makes work unfun, and leads, eventually, to me looking for another job, is when management plays Dilbert's PHB. When they meet with you and your co-workers, tell you what needs doing, and get a *real* buy-in, after y'all make comments as to how long it will take, realistically, *then* you've started making better morale.

              mark

  153. Not going by billster0808 · · Score: 1

    In other news, scientists have also found that not going to work makes IT more enjoyable

  154. Please God No. by GMFTatsujin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    As long as having fun on the job is an institutional policy of the job, then having fun will be, sadly, a duty of the job. Having fun on command is no fun at all.

    Example: one day at a past helpdesk position, I and a cubicle-conspiritor became so sick of the state of things that we deigned that the next day would be Sock Puppet Day. The two of us brought in many socks, fabric scraps, glitter, glue, everything we could possibly think of that might find a home on a sock. We then suggested to everyone around us that they might enjoy making a sock puppet.

    The results were stupendous. Most everyone had a good time, and we were pretty adroit at hiding the process from management until we had all finished our socks. Then we hung them all over the place and went on with business as usual. No calls were dropped, tickets were still solved quickly and effectively. However, we were all in a much better mood.

    One of the middle management frumps noticed what had happened and asked me if it was a team building exercise. I looked at her like she had grown a fourth nostril. Maybe in some far-removed way it was, but the sponteneity and silliness of it -- not to mention hiding it from our superiours -- was what made it fun and effective and morale-boosting. I suspect there was a sprinkling of having gotten away with something that really brought the flavor out in the moment.

    The next year it was decreed from the top that we would again have an official sock puppet day. Everything was provided for us. There was a designated time and place where supplies could be found.

    The results were predictably pallid, and few people particiated.

    Don't make fun part of the job, you management types. If anything, make it easier for people to make their own fun on the job, but keep your mitts off of the actual process. You'll have much happier employees, and chances are they'll even take it up upon themselves to get work done anyway.

  155. What makes a job fun... by disntrstd · · Score: 0

    is when you get a fair-share of the profits.

  156. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by ZzzzSleep · · Score: 1
    Quoth Frumious Wombat
    I had a job years later that had more outright "Fun", but it also had some gold-plated broccoli moments
    What the heck is a "gold-plated broccoli moment"? Something yuck that you get paid ridiculous amounts to do?
  157. Game Room called "Energy Room" by Mgt by COredneck · · Score: 1

    In the facility I use to work at, the management put in a game room with a fooseball & air hockey table. However, this room was for certain people only. In other words, if you were favored by management, you can use the facility but if you weren't, you better not be caught in there when one of the managers walked in. You would be asked if you had work to do and get out and do it.

    By far, I was one of the least favored people by my manager and one time, I went there to play air hockey and some of his favored people walked in and I was given dirty looks by my manager's most senior person. within several days, I got called into my manager's office and was given a talk about my "lack" of performance.

    I still have access to the building since I still work for the company but a different group. I have had many thoughts of going in there with a big sign, "plaster it" on the wall mentioned the room was for certain people - names will be named. However, getting in there without having to swipe my badge is the minor problem. That would cause some embarassment to management that would have to be addressed.

  158. Re:Ummmmm Yes? by Frumious+Wombat · · Score: 1

    No, it's something completely Yuck that absolutely has to be done for the good of the organization. Think of it as shorthand for the gold-standard of yuck tasks.

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  159. The work should be fun all by itself by MrNougat · · Score: 1

    Personally, I find the work fun. Remove all of the obstacles from my accomplishing what needs to be accomplished, and I am thrilled:

    1. Less meetings
    2. No covering for other people's screwups
    3. No giving me tasks that aren't in my job description (especially if they're in someone else's)
    4. Tell me what you want the end result environment to behave like, and let me figure out the best way to get from here to there (don't micromanage)

    Basically, let your employees do the jobs they've been tasked with, and get the hell out of the way. No "office olympics" or other diversions required.

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