this has been done before, but hitler only made the jews wear big white david-stars on their arms... he didn't monitor where they went when they were unseen...
say, what else do we have?
- most instant messengers are as insecure as email (no encryption, maybe unknown security holes)
- many of them (MSN, ICQ, Yahoo) have at least a term in their EULA that gives them the rights to use your personal data and chatlogs in ANY WAY THAT THEY WANT! thats right! they are allowed to sell your cyber-sex with your girlfriend including your names to TV stations or porn sites... AOL doesn't even tell you how they handle this... they just say "we follow the local laws in your country..." (at least in the german EULA)
- advertisements
- spam & phishing is also an issue in ICQ today - in yahoo maybe (I don't know, I don't use yahoo) spam is a bigger issue since yahoo was at least planning some weeks ago, just like AOL, to sell rights to send spam to their users which won't be filtered by their spamfilter
- several services (MSN, iirc Yahoo) don't allow you to connect to their servers with any other client than the one they give you
or shall we start using VoIP? why do you think SMS is so successful? because people don't WANT to talk to each other... writing an SMS or any other form of text message doesn't show your emotions as much... it's more anonymous and that seems to be what people want
the only real alternative to me is jabber... you can use PGP/GPG keys, but tell people how to get it to use PGP/GPG key or how to create a PGP/GPG key in the first place... its open source and there are many personal servers already, but this also means servers can go off service... besides that - the jabber server I use is kinda instable... although I WOULDN'T SAY ICQ servers were MUCH more reliable...
well some years ago, when I was unexperienced and all this FUD started, I beleived hackers could blow up my screen - and might kill me by doing that...
alright alright, calm down!
my statement was not against you, but against todays teenagers...
they are dumb (everybody knew that, but the article gave proof) and my statement is that this has nothing to do with an information overload (5000-150 year old subject matters...), but that this is the case because they're lazy... I used myself as an example how you can be good in science, if you just work...
by the way... why does everybody assume slashdotters never had sex?
The Ford Network reports that Ford is launching a subscription service aimed at providing better driving security for the Winesta cars, which have been sold with seatbelts made of Kleenex. Winesta Live OneCare will give you different seatbelts for three cars for about 2500 dollars a year (25% of the cost of the original car).
seriously - MS makes extremely insecure systems (Windows, Office, Outlook, IE) and then charge for the security, that those products are supposed to include from the start?
besides that: I don't beleive this service will help... MS has proven often enough that they can't make secure systems. how should this product offer any security that Windows,Office,Outlook and IE don't offer?
read the whole article again - in a nutshell he states it was wrong to criticise DRM, because many people buy DRMed products - besides that there are just some indignities against the FSF leaders...
FSF balances the madness of DRM by limiting the type of restrictions content producers can impose on users. Without FSF, DRM will completely run amok and destroy any bit of freedom out there.
dude, DRM already runs amok completely... why do you think your rights to the content you bought can expire? this is totally nuts... someone has to stop them and I appreciate very much that the FSF is at least trying... if it weren't for the FSF or similar organisations, sony might have gotten through with their rootkit idea...
..."There is no more important cause for freedom than the call for action to stop DRM from crippling our digital future." Sure. And if you buy that one, I've got a bridge to sell you that stretches from North Korea to the Sudan.
any argument for this statement? any argument why this is a fitting comparison?
no? well then this statement is void
For starters, market realities [...] put the lie to the FSF's histrionics. Apple's iTunes Store, which sells DRM-encoded music and videos to millions of iPod owners, is going like gangbusters. Clearly, despite DRM's widely discussed inadequacies and regular aggravations, more than a few consumers are willing to put up with it when the price is right. That's just basic free-market economics.
so, what millions of people are doing must be right, eh? well in 1933 millions of germans voted hitler, so this must have been a right decision too, according to this argumentation...
In a statement regarding the demonstration, FSF executive director Peter Brown said, "A media player that restricts what you can play is like a car that won't let you steer" -- a false analogy so patently absurd as to be laughable to a grade-school student.
irrational argumentation - void!
You know what customers would do with a car that couldn't steer? Run like hell. If their MP3 files were really similarly crippled (though perhaps not quite as deadly, Mr. Brown), I'm willing to bet they would do the same
the argument is again that DRM must be right, because millions of people buy the products - so again he saies the holocaust was a good idea, because millions of people voted for it...
has the author thought about the possibility that many people may not even know DRM or don't know how it harms them? he states "Convinced, perhaps, that average consumers are too stupid to know what's good for them" BUT doesn't go into that... you know 85% of all computer users use the internet explorer ALTHOUGH it is known to be the worst browser around (and security experts advise to use ANY OTHER BROWSER) so missing knowledge MIGHT be a reason for products being successful although they are known to have a bad quality...
yet I think the car-comparison is not that good - I'd say DRMed media players are more like navigation systems that don't contain cities that didn't pay a fee to the producer of the navigation system... if you don't try to go there, you'll never notice and the more popular the navigation system is, the more pressure is on the cities to pay the fee, because they can't afford to not-being on these maps... sure, let's all give up our freedom, as long as we get a cool-looking navigation-system for it... when the manufacturer rules the market then we'll see how reasonable priced the navigation-systems and the fees for the cities will stay...
you forgot to mention the indiscutable performance... norton anti virus and internet security make your machine so slow - it would be faster if you had no AV program and several worms instead...
I just reinstalled the system on the PC of my girlfriends father who had NAV and NIS... his Athlon 1.8GHz performed like an 80486 and he couldn't beleive how fast his PC became after I didn't reinstall those programs, but installed AVG and zonealarm instead...
whenever I mention that the first iPod generation is technically a bad thing (batteries, low transfer rates) and is user-unfriendly (I don't say iTunes wasn't intuitive, I just say it's not nice of apple to force people into using it) I get score 0 (troll)... why is that? even wikipedia knows this!
so just because you like apple, dear moderator, doesn't mean my anti-apple comments were wrong. you like apple, I don't... a friend of mine likes microsoft, I don't... I like Linux, he doesn't... to me apple is a worse company than microsoft (because of an even more closed business model)
may their products be good or bad, I won't buy them as long as apple
works like the church in the medieval times...
hey, apple fan-zombie, iPods (especially the first generation) are technically pathetic and far over-priced. there were better players for years when apple came up with the iPod and they were all cheaper at the same time...
if you want to participate in this discussion, please don't just quote the apple-lovers magazine...
I think it's amusing that apple takes processors, OSes, audio&video codecs, network protocols and lots of standards (CD, DVD, USB for example) from PCs and then claim the PC aera was over, because the apple aera is here...
if this is the apple aera (haha) then it is still the PC aera, because apples are so much like PCs now... except that they are more expensive, have an extremely closed system and make the user incapacitated... Thats why I'll never buy apple products!
however - the success of iPods (like the current success of apple) is just a matter of "hey, see how cool this looks!" - the first generation of iPods (which was a great success already) was technically pathetic and extremely user-unfriendly (in many ways the newer generations are no better), they just looked cool, thats all they had to offer...
what kind of a cheap excuse is this supposed to be?
alright, we're dumb, but it's sciences fault, because its to complicated?
you are just too plain lazy to learn! you watch tv, go skating, playing basketball, drinking and f***ing bitches...
I study theoretical computer science and mathematics at an elite university and it's not so hard if you work enough. two weeks of learning 4-8 hours a day per test got me and my friends through almost all tests so far...
we go drinking about once a week (thats enough) and have enough time for our girlfriends. thats because we don't waste our time in front of the dumbening box, skateboarding or playing basketball
to your knowledge: the subject matters at school are mostly 5000-150 years old! understanding them has nothing to do with the speed of the world around you!
also in the USA you have to learn almost nothing! friends of mine were there for a year therefore I know that the subject matters you have in the 11th grade, we have in the 9th grade, so stop crying about how complicated the stuff was, that you have to learn! you have no clue, what "complicated" means! you just think the easy stuff you have to learn WAS complicated because you're to lazy!
thats my point - nothing's 100% safe... so talking about a "browser that cannot be hijacked" is useless, because every browser could be hijacked somehow...
I'm sorry, but MS Open Hello World 2007 requires MS Windows Vista to run
[installing vista]
I'm sorry, but your MS Open Hello World 2007 trial period has expired. please enter registration code
[entering registration code]
I'm sorry, but your MS Open Hello World 2007 key has expired. Please buy another one
[buying another key]
Hello World
Please note that you may look into the source code of MS Open Hello World 2007, but if you change it or give it to anyone else, we'll sue your pants off!
Also we have the patent on the "Hello World"-System so if you write a "Hello World" Program of your own, we have to sue your pants off, to protect the interests of our stockholders.
people use some unpaid copies of multimedia products and go to prison and have to pay a high percentages of their income as compensation
sony writes a rootkit that deliberately destroies hundredthousands of pcs and has to pay an extremely small percentage of their income and noone goes to prison...
anyone else has the feeling that this is out of scale?
can you gurantee 100% that by using this method your system gets 100% in-attackable through your browser? you need a 100% secure operating system for this... wanna do a hoare-calculus proof on a kernel-source? might take some years...
music from most online-stores is DRMed and not compatible, so you have to rip the music out of the files (illegal) or use Apples online store... where is the antitrust lawsuit there, by the way?... anyways most iPod users don't know about this winamp plugin (and I think it might be illegal, too) so they are forced to use this crap program iTunes - there you've got another reason for an antitrust lawsuit...
microsoft doesn't need doing this... game developers need to do this!
several games don't run without admin rights (who knows why...) - if all games worked without admin rights then MAYBE people MIGHT start using their windows systems with user rights making the whole world MUCH safer from attacks...
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this has been done before, but hitler only made the jews wear big white david-stars on their arms... he didn't monitor where they went when they were unseen...
say, what else do we have?
- most instant messengers are as insecure as email (no encryption, maybe unknown security holes)
- many of them (MSN, ICQ, Yahoo) have at least a term in their EULA that gives them the rights to use your personal data and chatlogs in ANY WAY THAT THEY WANT! thats right! they are allowed to sell your cyber-sex with your girlfriend including your names to TV stations or porn sites... AOL doesn't even tell you how they handle this... they just say "we follow the local laws in your country..." (at least in the german EULA)
- advertisements
- spam & phishing is also an issue in ICQ today - in yahoo maybe (I don't know, I don't use yahoo) spam is a bigger issue since yahoo was at least planning some weeks ago, just like AOL, to sell rights to send spam to their users which won't be filtered by their spamfilter
- several services (MSN, iirc Yahoo) don't allow you to connect to their servers with any other client than the one they give you
or shall we start using VoIP? why do you think SMS is so successful? because people don't WANT to talk to each other... writing an SMS or any other form of text message doesn't show your emotions as much... it's more anonymous and that seems to be what people want
the only real alternative to me is jabber... you can use PGP/GPG keys, but tell people how to get it to use PGP/GPG key or how to create a PGP/GPG key in the first place... its open source and there are many personal servers already, but this also means servers can go off service... besides that - the jabber server I use is kinda instable... although I WOULDN'T SAY ICQ servers were MUCH more reliable...
my computer hasn't seen this 10-minute-loading 16MB-big adobe reader since I've found the instantly-loaded 2.5MB foxit reader...
well some years ago, when I was unexperienced and all this FUD started, I beleived hackers could blow up my screen - and might kill me by doing that...
there is no reply here
there has never been a reply here
it has not been censored by the chinese government
the post wasn't even from a chinese... well it wouldn't have been if it had existed... which it hasn't...
alright alright, calm down!
my statement was not against you, but against todays teenagers...
they are dumb (everybody knew that, but the article gave proof) and my statement is that this has nothing to do with an information overload (5000-150 year old subject matters...), but that this is the case because they're lazy... I used myself as an example how you can be good in science, if you just work...
by the way... why does everybody assume slashdotters never had sex?
The Ford Network reports that Ford is launching a subscription service aimed at providing better driving security for the Winesta cars, which have been sold with seatbelts made of Kleenex. Winesta Live OneCare will give you different seatbelts for three cars for about 2500 dollars a year (25% of the cost of the original car).
seriously - MS makes extremely insecure systems (Windows, Office, Outlook, IE) and then charge for the security, that those products are supposed to include from the start?
besides that: I don't beleive this service will help... MS has proven often enough that they can't make secure systems. how should this product offer any security that Windows,Office,Outlook and IE don't offer?
Man, I'm happy I've switched to Linux!
what do you think, where this "at Linux" is?
read the whole article again - in a nutshell he states it was wrong to criticise DRM, because many people buy DRMed products - besides that there are just some indignities against the FSF leaders...
no? well then this statement is void
so, what millions of people are doing must be right, eh? well in 1933 millions of germans voted hitler, so this must have been a right decision too, according to this argumentation...
irrational argumentation - void!
the argument is again that DRM must be right, because millions of people buy the products - so again he saies the holocaust was a good idea, because millions of people voted for it...
has the author thought about the possibility that many people may not even know DRM or don't know how it harms them? he states "Convinced, perhaps, that average consumers are too stupid to know what's good for them" BUT doesn't go into that... you know 85% of all computer users use the internet explorer ALTHOUGH it is known to be the worst browser around (and security experts advise to use ANY OTHER BROWSER) so missing knowledge MIGHT be a reason for products being successful although they are known to have a bad quality...
yet I think the car-comparison is not that good - I'd say DRMed media players are more like navigation systems that don't contain cities that didn't pay a fee to the producer of the navigation system... if you don't try to go there, you'll never notice and the more popular the navigation system is, the more pressure is on the cities to pay the fee, because they can't afford to not-being on these maps... sure, let's all give up our freedom, as long as we get a cool-looking navigation-system for it... when the manufacturer rules the market then we'll see how reasonable priced the navigation-systems and the fees for the cities will stay...
you forgot to mention the indiscutable performance... norton anti virus and internet security make your machine so slow - it would be faster if you had no AV program and several worms instead...
I just reinstalled the system on the PC of my girlfriends father who had NAV and NIS... his Athlon 1.8GHz performed like an 80486 and he couldn't beleive how fast his PC became after I didn't reinstall those programs, but installed AVG and zonealarm instead...
whenever I mention that the first iPod generation is technically a bad thing (batteries, low transfer rates) and is user-unfriendly (I don't say iTunes wasn't intuitive, I just say it's not nice of apple to force people into using it) I get score 0 (troll)... why is that? even wikipedia knows this!
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPod#Common_criticis
so just because you like apple, dear moderator, doesn't mean my anti-apple comments were wrong. you like apple, I don't... a friend of mine likes microsoft, I don't... I like Linux, he doesn't... to me apple is a worse company than microsoft (because of an even more closed business model)
may their products be good or bad, I won't buy them as long as apple works like the church in the medieval times...
hmmm on second thought your comment could be meant cynically... you can't be serious about the price thing...
hey, apple fan-zombie, iPods (especially the first generation) are technically pathetic and far over-priced. there were better players for years when apple came up with the iPod and they were all cheaper at the same time...
if you want to participate in this discussion, please don't just quote the apple-lovers magazine...
I think it's amusing that apple takes processors, OSes, audio&video codecs, network protocols and lots of standards (CD, DVD, USB for example) from PCs and then claim the PC aera was over, because the apple aera is here...
if this is the apple aera (haha) then it is still the PC aera, because apples are so much like PCs now... except that they are more expensive, have an extremely closed system and make the user incapacitated... Thats why I'll never buy apple products!
however - the success of iPods (like the current success of apple) is just a matter of "hey, see how cool this looks!" - the first generation of iPods (which was a great success already) was technically pathetic and extremely user-unfriendly (in many ways the newer generations are no better), they just looked cool, thats all they had to offer...
read this:
http://news.zdnet.com/html/z/wb/6035707.html
what kind of a cheap excuse is this supposed to be?
alright, we're dumb, but it's sciences fault, because its to complicated?
you are just too plain lazy to learn! you watch tv, go skating, playing basketball, drinking and f***ing bitches...
I study theoretical computer science and mathematics at an elite university and it's not so hard if you work enough. two weeks of learning 4-8 hours a day per test got me and my friends through almost all tests so far...
we go drinking about once a week (thats enough) and have enough time for our girlfriends. thats because we don't waste our time in front of the dumbening box, skateboarding or playing basketball
to your knowledge: the subject matters at school are mostly 5000-150 years old! understanding them has nothing to do with the speed of the world around you!
also in the USA you have to learn almost nothing! friends of mine were there for a year therefore I know that the subject matters you have in the 11th grade, we have in the 9th grade, so stop crying about how complicated the stuff was, that you have to learn! you have no clue, what "complicated" means! you just think the easy stuff you have to learn WAS complicated because you're to lazy!
thats my point - nothing's 100% safe... so talking about a "browser that cannot be hijacked" is useless, because every browser could be hijacked somehow...
I'm sorry, but MS Open Hello World 2007 requires MS Windows Vista to run
[installing vista]
I'm sorry, but your MS Open Hello World 2007 trial period has expired. please enter registration code
[entering registration code]
I'm sorry, but your MS Open Hello World 2007 key has expired. Please buy another one
[buying another key]
Hello World
Please note that you may look into the source code of MS Open Hello World 2007, but if you change it or give it to anyone else, we'll sue your pants off!
Also we have the patent on the "Hello World"-System so if you write a "Hello World" Program of your own, we have to sue your pants off, to protect the interests of our stockholders.
people use some unpaid copies of multimedia products and go to prison and have to pay a high percentages of their income as compensation
sony writes a rootkit that deliberately destroies hundredthousands of pcs and has to pay an extremely small percentage of their income and noone goes to prison...
anyone else has the feeling that this is out of scale?
can you gurantee 100% that by using this method your system gets 100% in-attackable through your browser? you need a 100% secure operating system for this... wanna do a hoare-calculus proof on a kernel-source? might take some years...
funny you used the word lemming, because I recently made this image: http://www.algorithman.de/storage/iPod_Lemmings.jp g
music from most online-stores is DRMed and not compatible, so you have to rip the music out of the files (illegal) or use Apples online store... where is the antitrust lawsuit there, by the way?... anyways most iPod users don't know about this winamp plugin (and I think it might be illegal, too) so they are forced to use this crap program iTunes - there you've got another reason for an antitrust lawsuit...
microsoft doesn't need doing this... game developers need to do this!
several games don't run without admin rights (who knows why...) - if all games worked without admin rights then MAYBE people MIGHT start using their windows systems with user rights making the whole world MUCH safer from attacks...
hello, we want to open our system up, to get you helping us closing things down