ah, you've fallen into the old trap - pretty much all that comes out about mySpace is from Rupert. None of his papers are allowed to report the bad news about them, like "child sexually molested by old person after using MySpace"... He owns so many of the newspapers that it can be hard to keep track, but they have pretty much been ordered to keep pushing it as often as possible, I think it's been in the times about 40 times in the last 6 months...
Still, the Telegraph is spending huge amounts of money online too so maybe they have a vested interest in seeing people think the internet is a safe and sensible place and not just full of "come here young children and look at PONIES!!!11!"
do you not think that this might lead to whole episodes online via ad supported methods? I kinda hope that it does... still, I'm also hoping that they will let the site work without flash, for all us Linux users... or at least include a download like you get with google video.
I still feel, though, that deep pockets invite better deals
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whilst I will take your point about updates I have found a problem simlar to this personally and I think that you judge them too harshly. When you have a computer which is band new the first thing you will do is connect to the internet. It would take a couple of hours to download the updates for XP up to this point, especially if your on an old service pack (I must admit I don't know if they now sell them with SP2 or not...), even if you get it with the newest service pack if your on a 128K connection a couple of hours to get a few hundered MB is pretty accurate.
During this time you might just leave it unsecured because that's what your addressing, you might be fully intending to get a good windows version of a firewall up and running, but think that you'll get the windows updates first. This is pretty realistic I think... So just how many viruses etc could you have before you can sort this out?
Also, I would say most people just don't update at all anyway... I know people who don't and then question what's going on. Seems like a fair test to me.
I did wonder if this was what was going on myself, partly it seems like there might be a logic for it, at least in the twisted mind of Kim. If he thinks he is under threat then he might do something like this to prove that he has nukes (even if he doesn't) so that no one will dare attack him - if you see how much the security council is appeasing Iran then it creates a climate where having nukes seems like a good thing.
personsally I'd like to see my government (the UK) and maybe the US drag their heals over this and suggest that sanctions might not be the best way as a way of creating a "we'll agree to sanction North Korea if you let us sanction Iran" - after all, it's always best in the UN to be the sticking point - you get more money/respect/favours that way
I was wondering about that, although I found this;
"If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works. But when you distribute the same sections as part of a whole which is a work based on the Program, the distribution of the whole must be on the terms of this License, whose permissions for other licensees extend to the entire whole, and thus to each and every part regardless of who wrote it."
IANL but I wonder if they could claim that it was sufficiently seperate to have a different licence?... It a real shame that they didn't just go for a free OS anyway, I mean the games are going to be hard to copy, hard to the extent that no one but the ones who would get it anyway would... so why bother with all this proprietary nonses
One thing that a lot of people are missing here is that when he clicks through for something that he wants to install (as we all might) he (so long as he doesn't re-start IE) doesn't have to click again to say it's ok to install more. This is a pretty bad fault, what if whenever you'd used su - or sudo in linux it ran the whole environment as root from then on without warning you? I think we might complain.
Other than that IE7 seems to be looking ok, maybe I wish it might have pressed the security problems that click throughs can cause, but if people don't get it from the red crosses they might never...
these events occured such a long time ago that the whole make up of the world was sufficiently different that I think it would be strange to be worrying about it now. I also wonder if these events might have exhausted themselves naturally.
Still, it's 100 years away at least, by which time I'll be living on mars ; )
In my house it's my girlfriend who plays games online the majority of the time. I hardly play online at all, but when I do it's on my DS or maybe a FPS; more indepth "proper" games (if there is such a thing). My girlfriend likes to play on gamerival on the simple little flash games where you just have to do very simple little word puzzles or arranging blocks.
So it is believable, but it might not be how you think - I doubt they are running round fragging everyone they see, or playing WoW (although some might...)
I like Amega as much as the next guy (well, maybe a lot more than the average non-/. crowd) but I do wonder what the hell is going on here, what are they doing? why are they doing it? what gap are they trying to fill?
Take for example;
"While Amiga OS4 has been in pre-release since 2004, a final release is planned for later this year."
So, a pre-release was in 2004, and it's now 2006 and it's not a final yet? who is working on it? They are talking about OS5 in TFA but there seems to be some doubt about whether or not the kernel is even written - from TFA "...asked if they were interested in developing the kernel for OS5. This implies that the kernel hasn't even been started. If the kernel work hasn't even started, the eventual release of OS5 seems very uncertain and far away"
So they create something and don't ship it then try and say they are further along than they are, then just not give a clear answer about what is going on, it was all "oh, yeah, I know the schedule, but I won't tell you". I have serious doubts about what is goign on here... and that was before I found out that there were only 5 people working on it!
I doubt it, the v3 might be ace, but I would be very conservative with my code and what licence to use, v2 seems to work well and I'd be inclinded to stay there - problems that early adopters have are not limited to hardware!
I myself have a question which is not entirely off topic, which somone might be able to answer. Can I release a document which I've written under the GPL if it is not software, say an article or something? I would want people to be able to use my work in a fair way, and after I'm dead all this sillyness gets even more mental. Or does a licence for text documents like the GPL already exist seperately? and what would your obligation be unde it, if what you write is already plain text and doesn't have a source per se
I suppose reading over I should clarify, they mention it being able to be switched off, if this is easy then it will be done by most people because of the issues it could cause, so it is useless. If it is hard then it might get left on as a default and just silently introduce all the issues which I think people will rightly worry about.
what I think might have been better is having a physical switch which needs to be moved in order to write to the kernel or MBR (although I'm not sure how you would go about making such a thing) - I have one for my wifi though, if such a thing could be created it would surely be of more security use. Maybe it could be done by having the kernel and MBR on a smaller HD which will only contain that and the switch can be used to activate write permissions...
These are running fedora which has very few viruses for it anyway, moreover it is a special form of fedora, which might not be vulnerable to all the viruses which linux anyway (and whose going to write viruses for these kids computers anyway, there is no money nor respect in it). So I worry about sticking virus protection in the MBR and kernel for fear that it itself might cause more issues and problems than if it was just left "open".
what if I said "physicsphairy should be killed" (...I know you shouldn't be killed, but it's an example), would you not be offended? I would if someone said it about me. Now imagine that I'm using your real name and location... gets a bit more serious still. If I was talking to people who might think that doing such a thing was a good idea it gets even more serious. Now this example isn't exactly the same because the person was already dead, but if he was saying "all black people deserve to die and should be killed" is it not reasonable to think think that someone might see it and think that it was a good idea?
What if it was muslim extremists discussing how great 9/11 was and how they really wanted to do it again...
In either of these situations do you not think that maybe society should do something? Step in before this talking inspires someone or before they decide to act on what they've been saying.
I'm not sure if you're posting that because you've seen it, or if it's just a random idea but this is actually what Gamestation (UK) is using in their shops to advertise the Wii.
It's a shame that your story was rejected, although I think that it is a little offtopic to mention it here, I thought you might like another source on it - the BBC has this; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5414432.stm - I'm not sure that the two things are related, but if this is a start by google to delegitimize all copywrite then I'm all for it!
I partly agree, this should be annoying people, but it's not really, we are used to getting screwed over. The real mistake that they made was announcing a date and then going back on it - pre-orders had been taken and when people get told "oh yeah, well, we'll keep your money and you'll just have to wait another 6 months" they get pissed off... and buy something else.
Also remember that most people in Europe don't see things like this, they just hear about it when it's out. And after all, if you were actually going to pay £425 for one then getting screwed on the time won't bother you either
last night, people were selling amazing amounts of information. One person claimed (and showed a recording as proof) to have actual voice recordings of people handing over credit card and security numbers...
Whilst this might be just a few bad apples it does make the whole sector look bad, and I'm not sure I want to be giving my card numbers to compainies who outsource so readily without checking fully what staff are up to.
Interestingly though was the response from the banks, which amounted to "so what". They really don't care. Whenever someone is a victim of fraud through these, or other, means they simply pay up and give the customer their money back, which apparently is cheaper than making sure that it doesn't happen - besides not everyone will notice, and they profit from the people who are scammed and don't notice
I didn't know a lot of the stuff that they put on here before I started coming on/. because in England people don't use IM to talk about it, people would usually say in full or say "messenger" (some people even use "msn" like a brand name for the whole lot - I think AIM is more common in the US)... so the poll seems a bit strange. People just have names that they know things by that they and their friends would use. Besides that, I've never met someone with a PVR anyway, I think the poll seems very American on British audiences it doesn't seem that amazing.
Other than that; "OMG!!!!11! teh l33t pwnd teh n00bs!!!one11!"
One thing you mentioned which is something I've encountered when doing something functionally similar to this (it was a test to see how good you are at spotting these things where you had to vote either yes or no), being;
"After voting on ten of them (all of which, I decided where scams)"
...When I did it i said that all of the emails were scams because without context it can be hard to tell, and the more you know about computers and phishing the more you will be inclined to think that the mail is phishing.
If I am expecting an e-mail then maybe it might not be a scam, if it is talking about my bank then maybe it is not, but I would still treat it like it was, as I do with all my e-mails
How come we'll believe someone when they say that there are billions of planets in the galaxy, but when we're told that paint is wet we have to touch it - just to make sure
Indeed. Although it would take a lot of scammers... maybe this is just a sophisticated phising attack, waiting for all the scammers to register and start voting (the way that they know is the wrong way) and then they have the scammers IP address. BAM! you've got one.
Sure some people will use a good proxy, but it only takes one idiot spammer to fall for it to be of use ; )
hmmm, for advice on linux security I would say it is worth looking out for rootkits or attacks from outside trying to use open ports, especially for SSH which can sometimes as a default allow remote root login (it does on fedora) so unless you really need to run SSH I would close it/make sure it's closed. Secondly I would install rkhunter (it's free and open source) and chkrootkit (again free and open source, if you have something like yum on ubuntu it should be in their repos... I've never used it so don't know how it works).
A good virus scanner is clamav and a good firewall is firestarter.
That might sound like a lot, but when they are set up its just a case of looking every now and again, and the rootkit searchers take only about 1 min to run both...
As for spyware there is very little if any for Linux. Basically you could pretty much not install anything other than a firewall and just not run as root and it should be ok (in fedora the SSH causes real problems if left open, but I've heard Ubuntu doesn't have a root account as such, so maybe it's not so much of a problem). Linux is very safe though, so it should provide you with years of stress free computing.
Firstly, the serious; how often have you known a government organisation (who would be the ones most interested in this) to obey the law when it comes to "saving the children from the evil terrorists"... if they weren't so close to the RIAA they could claim fair use anyway.
Secondly; Remember, when grep is outlawed, only outlaws will have grep
First they came for grep, but I did not speak out because I didn't use grep
Then they came for egrep, but I did not speak out because I never look at extended regular expressions
Then they came for fgrep, and there was no one left to speak out for me!... or the set of newline-separated strings
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ah, you've fallen into the old trap - pretty much all that comes out about mySpace is from Rupert. None of his papers are allowed to report the bad news about them, like "child sexually molested by old person after using MySpace"... He owns so many of the newspapers that it can be hard to keep track, but they have pretty much been ordered to keep pushing it as often as possible, I think it's been in the times about 40 times in the last 6 months...
Still, the Telegraph is spending huge amounts of money online too so maybe they have a vested interest in seeing people think the internet is a safe and sensible place and not just full of "come here young children and look at PONIES!!!11!"
do you not think that this might lead to whole episodes online via ad supported methods? I kinda hope that it does... still, I'm also hoping that they will let the site work without flash, for all us Linux users... or at least include a download like you get with google video.
I still feel, though, that deep pockets invite better deals
whilst I will take your point about updates I have found a problem simlar to this personally and I think that you judge them too harshly. When you have a computer which is band new the first thing you will do is connect to the internet. It would take a couple of hours to download the updates for XP up to this point, especially if your on an old service pack (I must admit I don't know if they now sell them with SP2 or not...), even if you get it with the newest service pack if your on a 128K connection a couple of hours to get a few hundered MB is pretty accurate.
During this time you might just leave it unsecured because that's what your addressing, you might be fully intending to get a good windows version of a firewall up and running, but think that you'll get the windows updates first. This is pretty realistic I think... So just how many viruses etc could you have before you can sort this out?
Also, I would say most people just don't update at all anyway... I know people who don't and then question what's going on. Seems like a fair test to me.
I did wonder if this was what was going on myself, partly it seems like there might be a logic for it, at least in the twisted mind of Kim. If he thinks he is under threat then he might do something like this to prove that he has nukes (even if he doesn't) so that no one will dare attack him - if you see how much the security council is appeasing Iran then it creates a climate where having nukes seems like a good thing.
personsally I'd like to see my government (the UK) and maybe the US drag their heals over this and suggest that sanctions might not be the best way as a way of creating a "we'll agree to sanction North Korea if you let us sanction Iran" - after all, it's always best in the UN to be the sticking point - you get more money/respect/favours that way
I was wondering about that, although I found this;
"If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections when you distribute them as separate works. But when you distribute the same sections as part of a whole which is a work based on the Program, the distribution of the whole must be on the terms of this License, whose permissions for other licensees extend to the entire whole, and thus to each and every part regardless of who wrote it."
IANL but I wonder if they could claim that it was sufficiently seperate to have a different licence?... It a real shame that they didn't just go for a free OS anyway, I mean the games are going to be hard to copy, hard to the extent that no one but the ones who would get it anyway would... so why bother with all this proprietary nonses
Just decided to play it, a damn fox got me...
Final Attributes:
You were fervently aligned.
You had infravision.
You were lucky.
You are dead.
--More--
What a game... if I can figure out how to change the controls or learn the "hjkl" it looks like a good game, thanks for spreading the joy
One thing that a lot of people are missing here is that when he clicks through for something that he wants to install (as we all might) he (so long as he doesn't re-start IE) doesn't have to click again to say it's ok to install more. This is a pretty bad fault, what if whenever you'd used su - or sudo in linux it ran the whole environment as root from then on without warning you? I think we might complain.
Other than that IE7 seems to be looking ok, maybe I wish it might have pressed the security problems that click throughs can cause, but if people don't get it from the red crosses they might never...
these events occured such a long time ago that the whole make up of the world was sufficiently different that I think it would be strange to be worrying about it now. I also wonder if these events might have exhausted themselves naturally.
Still, it's 100 years away at least, by which time I'll be living on mars ; )
In my house it's my girlfriend who plays games online the majority of the time. I hardly play online at all, but when I do it's on my DS or maybe a FPS; more indepth "proper" games (if there is such a thing). My girlfriend likes to play on gamerival on the simple little flash games where you just have to do very simple little word puzzles or arranging blocks.
So it is believable, but it might not be how you think - I doubt they are running round fragging everyone they see, or playing WoW (although some might...)
I like Amega as much as the next guy (well, maybe a lot more than the average non-/. crowd) but I do wonder what the hell is going on here, what are they doing? why are they doing it? what gap are they trying to fill?
Take for example;
"While Amiga OS4 has been in pre-release since 2004, a final release is planned for later this year."
So, a pre-release was in 2004, and it's now 2006 and it's not a final yet? who is working on it? They are talking about OS5 in TFA but there seems to be some doubt about whether or not the kernel is even written - from TFA "...asked if they were interested in developing the kernel for OS5. This implies that the kernel hasn't even been started. If the kernel work hasn't even started, the eventual release of OS5 seems very uncertain and far away"
So they create something and don't ship it then try and say they are further along than they are, then just not give a clear answer about what is going on, it was all "oh, yeah, I know the schedule, but I won't tell you". I have serious doubts about what is goign on here... and that was before I found out that there were only 5 people working on it!
I doubt it, the v3 might be ace, but I would be very conservative with my code and what licence to use, v2 seems to work well and I'd be inclinded to stay there - problems that early adopters have are not limited to hardware!
I myself have a question which is not entirely off topic, which somone might be able to answer. Can I release a document which I've written under the GPL if it is not software, say an article or something? I would want people to be able to use my work in a fair way, and after I'm dead all this sillyness gets even more mental. Or does a licence for text documents like the GPL already exist seperately? and what would your obligation be unde it, if what you write is already plain text and doesn't have a source per se
I suppose reading over I should clarify, they mention it being able to be switched off, if this is easy then it will be done by most people because of the issues it could cause, so it is useless. If it is hard then it might get left on as a default and just silently introduce all the issues which I think people will rightly worry about.
what I think might have been better is having a physical switch which needs to be moved in order to write to the kernel or MBR (although I'm not sure how you would go about making such a thing) - I have one for my wifi though, if such a thing could be created it would surely be of more security use.
Maybe it could be done by having the kernel and MBR on a smaller HD which will only contain that and the switch can be used to activate write permissions...
These are running fedora which has very few viruses for it anyway, moreover it is a special form of fedora, which might not be vulnerable to all the viruses which linux anyway (and whose going to write viruses for these kids computers anyway, there is no money nor respect in it). So I worry about sticking virus protection in the MBR and kernel for fear that it itself might cause more issues and problems than if it was just left "open".
what if I said "physicsphairy should be killed" (...I know you shouldn't be killed, but it's an example), would you not be offended? I would if someone said it about me. Now imagine that I'm using your real name and location... gets a bit more serious still. If I was talking to people who might think that doing such a thing was a good idea it gets even more serious. Now this example isn't exactly the same because the person was already dead, but if he was saying "all black people deserve to die and should be killed" is it not reasonable to think think that someone might see it and think that it was a good idea?
What if it was muslim extremists discussing how great 9/11 was and how they really wanted to do it again...
In either of these situations do you not think that maybe society should do something? Step in before this talking inspires someone or before they decide to act on what they've been saying.
I'm not sure if you're posting that because you've seen it, or if it's just a random idea but this is actually what Gamestation (UK) is using in their shops to advertise the Wii.
It's a shame that your story was rejected, although I think that it is a little offtopic to mention it here, I thought you might like another source on it - the BBC has this; http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/5414432.stm - I'm not sure that the two things are related, but if this is a start by google to delegitimize all copywrite then I'm all for it!
I partly agree, this should be annoying people, but it's not really, we are used to getting screwed over. The real mistake that they made was announcing a date and then going back on it - pre-orders had been taken and when people get told "oh yeah, well, we'll keep your money and you'll just have to wait another 6 months" they get pissed off... and buy something else.
Also remember that most people in Europe don't see things like this, they just hear about it when it's out. And after all, if you were actually going to pay £425 for one then getting screwed on the time won't bother you either
last night, people were selling amazing amounts of information. One person claimed (and showed a recording as proof) to have actual voice recordings of people handing over credit card and security numbers...
Whilst this might be just a few bad apples it does make the whole sector look bad, and I'm not sure I want to be giving my card numbers to compainies who outsource so readily without checking fully what staff are up to.
Interestingly though was the response from the banks, which amounted to "so what". They really don't care. Whenever someone is a victim of fraud through these, or other, means they simply pay up and give the customer their money back, which apparently is cheaper than making sure that it doesn't happen - besides not everyone will notice, and they profit from the people who are scammed and don't notice
I didn't know a lot of the stuff that they put on here before I started coming on /. because in England people don't use IM to talk about it, people would usually say in full or say "messenger" (some people even use "msn" like a brand name for the whole lot - I think AIM is more common in the US)... so the poll seems a bit strange. People just have names that they know things by that they and their friends would use. Besides that, I've never met someone with a PVR anyway, I think the poll seems very American on British audiences it doesn't seem that amazing.
Other than that; "OMG!!!!11! teh l33t pwnd teh n00bs!!!one11!"
One thing you mentioned which is something I've encountered when doing something functionally similar to this (it was a test to see how good you are at spotting these things where you had to vote either yes or no), being;
"After voting on ten of them (all of which, I decided where scams)"
...When I did it i said that all of the emails were scams because without context it can be hard to tell, and the more you know about computers and phishing the more you will be inclined to think that the mail is phishing.
If I am expecting an e-mail then maybe it might not be a scam, if it is talking about my bank then maybe it is not, but I would still treat it like it was, as I do with all my e-mails
How come we'll believe someone when they say that there are billions of planets in the galaxy, but when we're told that paint is wet we have to touch it - just to make sure
Indeed. Although it would take a lot of scammers... maybe this is just a sophisticated phising attack, waiting for all the scammers to register and start voting (the way that they know is the wrong way) and then they have the scammers IP address. BAM! you've got one.
Sure some people will use a good proxy, but it only takes one idiot spammer to fall for it to be of use ; )
hmmm, for advice on linux security I would say it is worth looking out for rootkits or attacks from outside trying to use open ports, especially for SSH which can sometimes as a default allow remote root login (it does on fedora) so unless you really need to run SSH I would close it/make sure it's closed. Secondly I would install rkhunter (it's free and open source) and chkrootkit (again free and open source, if you have something like yum on ubuntu it should be in their repos... I've never used it so don't know how it works).
A good virus scanner is clamav and a good firewall is firestarter.
That might sound like a lot, but when they are set up its just a case of looking every now and again, and the rootkit searchers take only about 1 min to run both...
As for spyware there is very little if any for Linux. Basically you could pretty much not install anything other than a firewall and just not run as root and it should be ok (in fedora the SSH causes real problems if left open, but I've heard Ubuntu doesn't have a root account as such, so maybe it's not so much of a problem). Linux is very safe though, so it should provide you with years of stress free computing.
Firstly, the serious; how often have you known a government organisation (who would be the ones most interested in this) to obey the law when it comes to "saving the children from the evil terrorists"... if they weren't so close to the RIAA they could claim fair use anyway.
Secondly; Remember, when grep is outlawed, only outlaws will have grep
First they came for grep, but I did not speak out because I didn't use grep
Then they came for egrep, but I did not speak out because I never look at extended regular expressions
Then they came for fgrep, and there was no one left to speak out for me!... or the set of newline-separated strings
...Is what percentage of a Library of Congress can be fit onto one of these and how many human hairs thick is it?