Well, for what it's worth, Evolution isn't friggin random. But like the other guys, your post makes a certain sense. However, if we treat market pressure as the force driving change, and the car designers as the mutating factors, it works pretty well.
After all, evolution rarely produces a giraffe from a horse overnight. (And yes, I have no idea if they are even related) so it's not like one guy suggested with gas tanks in front of the windshield, and wheels the shape of halibut until they get one right.
Just like making tires of rubber instead of solid wood was a small change for the better (in the view of market pressure) so was a horse with a slightly longer neck was a small change for the better (in light of survival pressure). Tires changed again with air inflated tires::slightly longer neck, radial tires::even longer neck... and so on, until we have horses that look like giraffes, and Model-Ts that look like Lamborghinis.
Evolution is not a completely random or stupid process, there is a small amount of rudimentary order to the system.
Righto, but maybe I'm the uninformed one here, but doesn't ID pretty much state that things were 'Designed' pretty much as they are now? I see your point of course, but the fact that things change over time is the part they have problems with, not the initial conditions. Again, I would appreciate if someone could set me straight.
Fair enough, but that is a step farther than most anti-evolutionaries think. The vast majority just take the argument in front of them at face value and if they understand it, they must understand evolution oh noes! I agree that is actually an interesting point of view for intelligent design, but methinks you give these guys too much credit.
It seems I remember a story out of Afghanistan about a very high-level informer, who'd given lots of very valuable info, suddenly refusing to talk to anyone but the highest levels of the CIA and military in the country. After finally coaxing the guy and prodding the guy they finally agreed to get him in front of the people he asked for. And on the day he was to meet them, he blew up his suicide vest outside in the hallway waiting to go into the meeting. Killed or injured a LOT of high level CIA and Army brass.
That seems pretty close to what you're talking about.
Outstanding, you are a winner. Please continue to come up with easy peasy ways for terrorists to keep from blowing up due to their own lack of foresight. Perhaps you can give them some tips on how to best pack their vests to do maximum damage.
I once made my fundamentalist christian boss at an old job pratically swallow his tongue because I almost forced him to understand evolution. Along with loving Jesus, he was a super gear-head. So I broke Evolution down into car terms (very basic terms since I'm NOT a gearhead).
First I asked why we don't drive Model-T Fords anymore? Because someone added pedals to the next car. The car people bought after that had a hardtop roof or windshield wipers. Then some came out with larger engines, those cars survived longer in the marketplace because they were a better fit to what people wanted from their money. Some cars had innovations that didn't work, and they died off (Edsel, et al). And now we have lamborghini's and Bentleys and Chevys and Fords of all different makes and models, with GPS and remote start, and some will do better than others, and continue to be developed. Others will be too expensive, or too fuel hungry, or too feature-poor, and those won't sell as well, and over time, those models will disappear.
Effectively the slow progression the car industry makes in response to market forces is analogous to the evolution of life in response to changing environmental pressure.
THANK YOU. This is exactly what I came here to say. SGU was exactly the kind of show I would expect Slashdot to love. With the exception of it's primary premise, there was a LOT of real science on that show, physics/inertia, dealing with supply shortages, potable water, human interaction was what this show was about. I thought it was outstanding and it's a damn shame it's gone.
... it might take a while, but after some time you'll wish you died (the kicker would be off course if at this point you no longer can), the mind grows numb with boredom.
I'm pretty sure this shot doesn't prevent a bullet to the brain from being fatal. Accidental death, suicide, and murder will simply become the way people die instead of withering like an over-ripe grape and simply losing the will to live like people do now. I daresay death from old age is NOT one of the top three ways to die today.
Instead, the President of Congressional Democrats are *corporatists*. We can see that in their actions, such as the healthcare "reform" which was nothing but a massive give-away to Big Insurance companies, as well as the giant, no-strings-attached bail-outs for mismanaged corporations....
By mentioning Democrats and not mentioning Republicans, are you honestly... seriously... with a straight face, suggesting that Republicans are somehow NOT "Corporatists"?/??11!1!1one?
If you look at political spending by private corporations (ESPECIALLY since the Citizens United case) I think you'll find a rather lopsided donation curve. And as the Supreme Court holds true: Money = Speech. Therefore, corporations are regularly shouting from the rooftops their support for Republicans. Democrats are nowhere near as corrupt as the Republican party.
Yes yes, I said corrupt. I'm sure several of you will disabuse me of that notion.
I'm not sure if you were exaggerating to make a point. But even if you ignore all the benefits of the actual facts and systems which school teaches (regardless of the premise you put out that apparently once people hit 20 they forget anything and everything they've ever learned in their life), you cannot discount the social and cultural benefits of regular schooling.
It teaches kids that they aren't the center of the universe, that sometimes life isn't fair, and that the easiest ways to be accepted among your peers is to be relatively kind and helpful.
Of course there are outliers who are bullies, narcissists and sociopaths. But the vast majority of kids come out of school as decent and eager individuals. Of course things were better back in whatever day you come from, they always were (though after several decades/centuries of this feeling how the hell we haven't reverted to cro-magnons I have no idea) but still, the vast majority of kids do gain immense benefits from school that even home-schooling can't always compete with.
I'm not saying it's perfect, but its a damn sight better than letting your kids stay home and play video games while taking out the trash and mowing grass for an allowance until their 18, then letting them fend for themselves with no idea of how to live outside of their family home. In my opinion of course.
Also, to be fair, Penn and Teller 'debunked' the theory that recycling saves money. They said little if anything about it being good for the environment. Of course, as rabid libertarians, they may not be concerned with much else besides money.
I don't disagree that current tech doesn't allow for saving much on recycling. Their point was it makes things more expensive and therefore it is a totally valueless (or negative value) process. However, there are other ways of measuring value other than dollars and cents. And recycling, while not being a moneymaking venture for most, is still a valuable process to many.
I should know to never underestimate pedantic-man.
Fair enough. Gay People have one further restriction on them than heterosexual people. They cannot marry a person they truly love.
And the only.. ONLY possible reason for this that stands up to even the most cursory logic test is: "The Bible says it's wrong." Followed closely by: "And it's icky."
This is a pretty blatant action by the majority to restrict the rights of the minority through legislation targeted specifically at naming a right only to restrict it.
I'd mod you up if I could. Either give marriage to all, or remove it to all. Living in rural KY, when I suggested this over a lunchtime discussion of this matter, I thought the guy I was 'discussing' this with was going to choke on his mutton sandwich.
So a judges opinion on the law automatically disqualifies them from holding a position on the Supreme Court? That is why there are more than just a single judge on the bench. Legally, there is nothing that actually makes her disqualified for the position.
Well, for what it's worth, it is possible for a grown adult to put their personal feelings aside and try their best to keep an open mind when you sit on the highest court in the land.
I'm sure there are several examples of Supreme Court Justices that have mentioned in their bench-opinions that while they may disagree with an action or another, that action is still constitutionally protected. I don't think past opinions are necessarily hard and fast (or even fair, sometimes) things to judge a candidates capabilities on.
Well, if enough people agree with you, and refuse to play because of the advertising, then the game will fail and people will get fired for their incompetence, hopefully setting an example for new games to come to avoid it.
If, on the other hand, players of this game by and large not only don't mind the ads, but in fact find it amusing that real world products are in their game, then this model will succeed brilliantly, and future games will begin to follow suit.
I personally find the second option more likely. Gamer's in general have a VERY high tolerance for this sort of thing assuming the gameplay is decent to good.
The only problem I see with that, is that squares that were diagonal from each other in the original conversion no longer touch each other in the hexagon shape. Follow two diagonal squares on that diagram from start to finish and you'll see what I mean.
I'm leaning more towards the approximation idea (which I guess that diagram illustrates).
I'm sorry, but I don't see that metaphor at all.. in what possible way is saying that one region is stable compared to it's surroundings similar to saying Greece is not in debt? Am I missing something, or am I feeding the trolls?
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Well, for what it's worth, Evolution isn't friggin random. But like the other guys, your post makes a certain sense. However, if we treat market pressure as the force driving change, and the car designers as the mutating factors, it works pretty well.
After all, evolution rarely produces a giraffe from a horse overnight. (And yes, I have no idea if they are even related) so it's not like one guy suggested with gas tanks in front of the windshield, and wheels the shape of halibut until they get one right.
Just like making tires of rubber instead of solid wood was a small change for the better (in the view of market pressure) so was a horse with a slightly longer neck was a small change for the better (in light of survival pressure). Tires changed again with air inflated tires::slightly longer neck, radial tires::even longer neck... and so on, until we have horses that look like giraffes, and Model-Ts that look like Lamborghinis.
Evolution is not a completely random or stupid process, there is a small amount of rudimentary order to the system.
Righto, but maybe I'm the uninformed one here, but doesn't ID pretty much state that things were 'Designed' pretty much as they are now? I see your point of course, but the fact that things change over time is the part they have problems with, not the initial conditions. Again, I would appreciate if someone could set me straight.
Fair enough, but that is a step farther than most anti-evolutionaries think. The vast majority just take the argument in front of them at face value and if they understand it, they must understand evolution oh noes! I agree that is actually an interesting point of view for intelligent design, but methinks you give these guys too much credit.
It seems I remember a story out of Afghanistan about a very high-level informer, who'd given lots of very valuable info, suddenly refusing to talk to anyone but the highest levels of the CIA and military in the country. After finally coaxing the guy and prodding the guy they finally agreed to get him in front of the people he asked for. And on the day he was to meet them, he blew up his suicide vest outside in the hallway waiting to go into the meeting. Killed or injured a LOT of high level CIA and Army brass.
That seems pretty close to what you're talking about.
+1 internets for you! I lol'd.
Outstanding, you are a winner. Please continue to come up with easy peasy ways for terrorists to keep from blowing up due to their own lack of foresight. Perhaps you can give them some tips on how to best pack their vests to do maximum damage.
I once made my fundamentalist christian boss at an old job pratically swallow his tongue because I almost forced him to understand evolution. Along with loving Jesus, he was a super gear-head. So I broke Evolution down into car terms (very basic terms since I'm NOT a gearhead).
First I asked why we don't drive Model-T Fords anymore? Because someone added pedals to the next car. The car people bought after that had a hardtop roof or windshield wipers. Then some came out with larger engines, those cars survived longer in the marketplace because they were a better fit to what people wanted from their money. Some cars had innovations that didn't work, and they died off (Edsel, et al). And now we have lamborghini's and Bentleys and Chevys and Fords of all different makes and models, with GPS and remote start, and some will do better than others, and continue to be developed. Others will be too expensive, or too fuel hungry, or too feature-poor, and those won't sell as well, and over time, those models will disappear.
Effectively the slow progression the car industry makes in response to market forces is analogous to the evolution of life in response to changing environmental pressure.
THANK YOU. This is exactly what I came here to say. SGU was exactly the kind of show I would expect Slashdot to love. With the exception of it's primary premise, there was a LOT of real science on that show, physics/inertia, dealing with supply shortages, potable water, human interaction was what this show was about. I thought it was outstanding and it's a damn shame it's gone.
... it might take a while, but after some time you'll wish you died (the kicker would be off course if at this point you no longer can), the mind grows numb with boredom.
I'm pretty sure this shot doesn't prevent a bullet to the brain from being fatal. Accidental death, suicide, and murder will simply become the way people die instead of withering like an over-ripe grape and simply losing the will to live like people do now. I daresay death from old age is NOT one of the top three ways to die today.
Instead, the President of Congressional Democrats are *corporatists*. We can see that in their actions, such as the healthcare "reform" which was nothing but a massive give-away to Big Insurance companies, as well as the giant, no-strings-attached bail-outs for mismanaged corporations....
By mentioning Democrats and not mentioning Republicans, are you honestly... seriously... with a straight face, suggesting that Republicans are somehow NOT "Corporatists"?/??11!1!1one?
If you look at political spending by private corporations (ESPECIALLY since the Citizens United case) I think you'll find a rather lopsided donation curve. And as the Supreme Court holds true: Money = Speech. Therefore, corporations are regularly shouting from the rooftops their support for Republicans. Democrats are nowhere near as corrupt as the Republican party.
Yes yes, I said corrupt. I'm sure several of you will disabuse me of that notion.
I'm not sure if you were exaggerating to make a point. But even if you ignore all the benefits of the actual facts and systems which school teaches (regardless of the premise you put out that apparently once people hit 20 they forget anything and everything they've ever learned in their life), you cannot discount the social and cultural benefits of regular schooling.
It teaches kids that they aren't the center of the universe, that sometimes life isn't fair, and that the easiest ways to be accepted among your peers is to be relatively kind and helpful.
Of course there are outliers who are bullies, narcissists and sociopaths. But the vast majority of kids come out of school as decent and eager individuals. Of course things were better back in whatever day you come from, they always were (though after several decades/centuries of this feeling how the hell we haven't reverted to cro-magnons I have no idea) but still, the vast majority of kids do gain immense benefits from school that even home-schooling can't always compete with.
I'm not saying it's perfect, but its a damn sight better than letting your kids stay home and play video games while taking out the trash and mowing grass for an allowance until their 18, then letting them fend for themselves with no idea of how to live outside of their family home. In my opinion of course.
Amen brother, I'd vote you up if I could.
Also, to be fair, Penn and Teller 'debunked' the theory that recycling saves money. They said little if anything about it being good for the environment. Of course, as rabid libertarians, they may not be concerned with much else besides money.
I don't disagree that current tech doesn't allow for saving much on recycling. Their point was it makes things more expensive and therefore it is a totally valueless (or negative value) process. However, there are other ways of measuring value other than dollars and cents. And recycling, while not being a moneymaking venture for most, is still a valuable process to many.
I'm pretty sure I heard people say the same thing, except replace 'scale efficiently' with 'ever work at all with current tech'.
And it may be many things, but Onlive is doing something very few people, including myself, ever thought was possible, that is NOT 'shitty tech'.
Ummm.. are you serious?
Why is Onlive such a dangerous thing for you to hate it so much? You prefer upgrading your PC every 6 months?
I should know to never underestimate pedantic-man.
Fair enough. Gay People have one further restriction on them than heterosexual people. They cannot marry a person they truly love.
And the only.. ONLY possible reason for this that stands up to even the most cursory logic test is: "The Bible says it's wrong." Followed closely by: "And it's icky."
This is a pretty blatant action by the majority to restrict the rights of the minority through legislation targeted specifically at naming a right only to restrict it.
touche pedantic-man.
But if we get really specific, heterosexuals can marry anyone they want, while homosexuals can't.
I hope me putting it that way doesn't offend homosexuals.
I'd mod you up if I could. Either give marriage to all, or remove it to all. Living in rural KY, when I suggested this over a lunchtime discussion of this matter, I thought the guy I was 'discussing' this with was going to choke on his mutton sandwich.
Because it was something they did in Sodom?
So a judges opinion on the law automatically disqualifies them from holding a position on the Supreme Court? That is why there are more than just a single judge on the bench. Legally, there is nothing that actually makes her disqualified for the position.
Well, for what it's worth, it is possible for a grown adult to put their personal feelings aside and try their best to keep an open mind when you sit on the highest court in the land.
I'm sure there are several examples of Supreme Court Justices that have mentioned in their bench-opinions that while they may disagree with an action or another, that action is still constitutionally protected. I don't think past opinions are necessarily hard and fast (or even fair, sometimes) things to judge a candidates capabilities on.
Well, if enough people agree with you, and refuse to play because of the advertising, then the game will fail and people will get fired for their incompetence, hopefully setting an example for new games to come to avoid it.
If, on the other hand, players of this game by and large not only don't mind the ads, but in fact find it amusing that real world products are in their game, then this model will succeed brilliantly, and future games will begin to follow suit.
I personally find the second option more likely. Gamer's in general have a VERY high tolerance for this sort of thing assuming the gameplay is decent to good.
NEED MOAR LOLASCOPES!
The only problem I see with that, is that squares that were diagonal from each other in the original conversion no longer touch each other in the hexagon shape. Follow two diagonal squares on that diagram from start to finish and you'll see what I mean. I'm leaning more towards the approximation idea (which I guess that diagram illustrates).
I'm sorry, but I don't see that metaphor at all.. in what possible way is saying that one region is stable compared to it's surroundings similar to saying Greece is not in debt? Am I missing something, or am I feeding the trolls?