Very good point - modify our cookies whenever someone asks for it - if it is doubleclick or alike, modify the cookie for it to contain useless information.
The point is, they cannot complain about their database being screwed because they are doing the screw-ups themselves.
If I had my moderator points I'd moderate this right up to the top.
I'm personally using Junkbuster on my side and while Netscape crashes less frequently with it (a nice by-product) and I see less banner (there's a modification that replaces banners with 1x1 gif), there is no way that it can do something really important: Javascript filtering
e.g. those pops up a window when you leave a site, those obfuscate the status bar with junk messages, those who does not allow right-clicking to reveal source, etc.
There is Proxomitron on Windows. How about us? Is there anything as powerful as that? I've heard that Webfilter (formerly known as NoShit) does it but people says it takes an aweful amount of CPU. Anyone with the experience?
Don't want to admit, but Junkbuster is child's play compared to Proxomitron. Only if they release the source....
They are in an obviously attempt to confuse the court into thinking that Access Control == Copy Control but in fact Access Control rips infinitely more power from the consumer to the movie industry.
I'm 100% disgusted in their attempt to confuse - if you want to control "access", please define clearly that what is "access" and more importantly, what is NOT "access" so that the term cannot be broaden anytime you wish and people will have a clear idea about the boundary of your power.
Talking about the 3rd floor labs - it is irratating to see the Win98 and the iMac boxes eating spaces previously allocated to Unix terminals...and CS students aren't given accounts...and most of the time the boxes just sit there idle, wasting electricity...
Until it stops censoring and threatening its critics. There is a competition here:
The number of Cyber Patrol users VS The number of Squid / Junkbuster / Webfilter etc users
I'll set it to display a message as to why we have censored Mattel's site and assure the user that it is the only site we censor. If you want to go to their site please go to another machine.
It is similar to "Usenet Death Sentence" and I think it will work. Administers of the world, unite!
Look at the current issue between Cyber Patrol and the authors of the blocked site lister program.
One is a Canadian, anther one a Swedish. Both demanded to pull the program from a U.S. district court. (see wired news).
I have no idea *WHY* the laws of the U.S. of A. has unofficially become laws that the rest of the world must follow. In this light, I feel something must be done even if I'm not a U.S. citizen, luckily.
Anyone please tell us what kind of weight we can represent.
Well - for random packages to include/remove itself from the system's startup, Slack *does* give you SysV compatibility.
However - how often do packages want to include/remove startup stuffs? Is there a need to restart the majority of the daemons in most cases?
Not a lot for me - the majority of the startup services are installed by the distribution itself and rarely have to be removed or even restarted. Putting them under a script file ala BSD init makes sense, while apps that want to install startup stuffs are free to do so thru the SysV compatibility extension.
It makes it *SO* clear that what services are started by some random packages, and what services are the "more essential" ones started by the distribution or by yourself. I find this separation invaluable. The current Slackware startup method combines the best of both worlds and I believe it is the best I have seen yet.
because in order to do so, they would have to prove that they performed an act of piracy in the first place, which would entail infringing upon the terms of the license of the encryption algorithm.
A basic idea would be, encrypt the program you suspect the warez guy is distributing, and compare the encrypted content...but it may not always work if the encryption is good.
You have a point. Still, a lot of games *STILL* require the insertion of a CD when you play a game, even after installation.
Ok. Given the size of today's games, I can bear installation - but installing *AND* requireing the CD??? What nonsense.
My opinion is, even if the game only requires the CD during installation, we could still be given the choice of inserting CD everytime without installation.
Anyone remember the days when computer gaming was truely plug-and-play? When we just put in the floppy/cartridge/CD-ROM, boot the machine and play the game?
These days only consoles have this convenience - PC games seem to be made by lazy programmers who want to eat up their customers' hard drives by insisting on installing hundreds of MBs of basically crap on my harddrive...
I mean, ok, they're not crap, but I wouldn't mind waiting for one more second to load that funky FMV from my 24x CD-ROM drive (I bet most of you have >30x) if I can save 100's of MB of hdd space for better uses and prevent my hdd from being a few steps closer to failure thru overuse.
It is year 2000. My CD-ROM is a lot faster than 2x as it was in 1994. There's no excuse for installation.
I still remember the days when the chatter of the day was "Geez, this game is a BLOAT - it takes 4 floppies and requires you to install!!"
This is why I think the X-Box won't succeed (if the hdd is not for installation that's another story, but I highly doubt it), and I'm sure playing-right-off-the-CD is possible with computer games.
About the Communist vs Linux thing, our Russian friend has already given his idea. If you like your 65-year-old friend's word-of-mouth better, fine - it's your choice.
>No, "registered Democrats who listened to the >Grateful Dead 24/7" are lazy shitheads who expect >something for nothing. Did I touch a nerve?
You refer to the last poster, that "people who help each other out without expectation" are the "registered Democrats ". This clearly contradicts to "shitheads who expect something for nothing". If you can't explain why a lot of volunteers in the world are "shitheads who expects something for nothing", so be it. Did you touch a nerve? I dunno. But somehow my eyes can see an angry you tapping nonsense on your keyboard when you posted this.
>I can't stand the attitude of some people either. >At least I can admit their viewpoint is as valid >as mine instead of trying to preach down to them. >Asshole.
There are two types of viewpoints in the world. The first type of viewpoint is logical and consistent, and the other type blatently contradicts itself.
I have no problem with the first types of viewpoint because as we know no 2 person's viewpoints are identical. The second type, however, contradicts to the very laws of temporal logic, and are invalid sentences in themselves. You know to which category YOUR viewpoint belong and I'd leave the judgement for the readers of this thread.
Nobody is trying to "preach down to you". Did I tell you to shut up? No. Do I *even* care that your viewpoint is different than mine? Hell no. Sorry. I don't have the time to waste.
My advice - don't think so highly of yourself that anyone care to waste his/her time to preach down on you.
I would be surprised if Symantec does equally vile things - after all, if you recall correctly, Cybersitter has THE CHURCH OF $CIENTOLO*Y at their back. And we all (at least me) think after all, the company where Peter Norton is from can't be too bad...
>Or anyone else who doesn't subscribe to communist >ideals. Incidentally I'm tired of >people who point out the obvious communist slant >of the Linux world being labelled >as trolls or flamebaiters. It's the truth. At >least admit it.
Go read a book on communists in practice before getting back to/. Gosh. I can't believe how ignorant people are getting AND the expert claims from some of these ignorant people.
>Let me guess: You're a registered Democrat and >listen to the Grateful Dead 24/7.
So in the nano world of yours, only "registered Democrats who listened to the Grateful Dead 24/7" help each other out and live peacefully with each other. You know what, in this world, the real world, you are insulting a lot of people. Good for you being anonymous.
>Dirty hippie. Go live on a commune where they >don't use computers.
I guess we're running off topic here. Feel free to mod me down (I mean it, I just can't stand the attitude of some people and cannot refrain myself from participation. Follow the original thread and you may think the same. Sorry for the long flame. Thanks)
>2) Surely you are not suggesting that software >created by introverted nerds with no >rounded education and a world view that consists >mainly of quake playing
Surely you are not suggesting that:
1. Everyone who creates software is an introverted nerd.
2. Everyone who creates software does not receive rounded education.
3. Everyone who creates software only play games
>who spend most of their >time warez trading on slashdot sids
Don't be shy to tell us that you trade warez (we won't mind, care, or laugh at you) - just please don't assume everyone else is doing the same.
>is equivalent to mighty works of art such as >"Sunflowers"???
Please tell us why not. As far as I know, VERY few artists we consider "great" had received rounded education, if any.
>However, there is one way in which Linux is like >the artwork of Van Gough. They both belong in a >museum.
Only great things deserve a place in the museum. I'm quite sure 100 years from now our museum will contain the first piece of Linux source code.
>The fact that nVidia is worth approximately half >as much as ATI doesn't tell me anything about how >many people actually use ATI or nVidia cards
You are completely correct - the number of computers with an ATI Rage Pro chip *FAR* exceeds that of all nVidia card combined. Now if you count all other ATI cards in...
I'd say nVidia's worth is largely due to stock fluctuations, which in turn should thanks to their announcements (often hypes).
Do us a little favor - tell everyone the name of your ISP, and let everyone who can read stay away from it like plague.
I urge everyone do this whenever we're in our rant mode - don't just tell us the bad policy of your university. Don't just tell us how your ISP censor the crap off your account.
Tell us THE NAME of these human right offenders so we have something for reference when we vote with our wallets.
Are we doomed to keep a whole bunch of GTK script bindings even if a scripting language is only used by one application (e.g. rep by Sawmill)?
In my perfect world, all core applications share one scripting language and can work with each other...I'm ready to join any project that ports Sawmill to Guile. Is it a very difficult thing to accomplish?
Or is there any Python-scriptable WM? I'd like to at least try one as an alternative...
Strength? Sure. But you must admit it is also a weakness.
Packages come with installation methods, but often without any aid for uninstallation. (I don't use rpm at all). A script inside the package that does the uninstallation like make uninstall is a great idea, but I dunno why not everyone is implementing it.
Finding where files are to delete is a chore that shouldn't be there. I personally want to put everything that relates to a program, (say, its own default config file) in its own directory, like/opt/. Uninstalling should be a fast rm -rf.
For compatibility tho, something must be all over the place - symlinks. Put them in/usr/local/bin, put them in/usr/local/share, name it. After rm -rf the program directory, deleting broken symlinks is the only thing left, which is trivial to handle.
I know the strength lies in "doing things your way", but the there's only one optimal way for each person and coincidently, the optimal way of a lot of people seems to be "stick 'em together". It is just the natural human way of doing things.
While you can enjoy your flexibility, why can't we just alter the default so that we can minimize the "administration task performed by users"?
Just DON'T call it Kerberos. If its aim is not to confuse people then what else?
Maybe we should call the truely open Kerberos something else, like "True-Kerberos", "Kerberos-Open" - just to make sure any dumb Joe can distinguish between the open and the proprietary from just one look.
May sound weird, but Python makes an excellent numerical tool thanks to its rich built-in toolset.
There're packages that once installed, makes Python almost the perfect tool, at www.python.org/topics/scicomp/. I remember one of the most complete packages only have 2 not-very-long source files. Impressive.
If you don't use Python often, and need Matlab interoperativity tho, Octave is very good.
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Very good point - modify our cookies whenever someone asks for it - if it is doubleclick or alike, modify the cookie for it to contain useless information.
The point is, they cannot complain about their database being screwed because they are doing the screw-ups themselves.
If I had my moderator points I'd moderate this right up to the top.
I'm personally using Junkbuster on my side and while Netscape crashes less frequently with it (a nice by-product) and I see less banner (there's a modification that replaces banners with 1x1 gif), there is no way that it can do something really important: Javascript filtering
e.g. those pops up a window when you leave a site, those obfuscate the status bar with junk messages, those who does not allow right-clicking to reveal source, etc.
There is Proxomitron on Windows. How about us? Is there anything as powerful as that? I've heard that Webfilter (formerly known as NoShit) does it but people says it takes an aweful amount of CPU. Anyone with the experience?
Don't want to admit, but Junkbuster is child's play compared to Proxomitron. Only if they release the source....
Sounds like a secure wireless alien communication channel to me. They are putting 1's and 0's inside the buckyballs!!
Now we've successfully tapped the wire, I assure you we won't be able to find these sometime later...
They are in an obviously attempt to confuse the court into thinking that Access Control == Copy Control but in fact Access Control rips infinitely more power from the consumer to the movie industry.
I'm 100% disgusted in their attempt to confuse - if you want to control "access", please define clearly that what is "access" and more importantly, what is NOT "access" so that the term cannot be broaden anytime you wish and people will have a clear idea about the boundary of your power.
Talking about the 3rd floor labs - it is irratating to see the Win98 and the iMac boxes eating spaces previously allocated to Unix terminals...and CS students aren't given accounts...and most of the time the boxes just sit there idle, wasting electricity...
Until it stops censoring and threatening its critics. There is a competition here:
The number of Cyber Patrol users
VS
The number of Squid / Junkbuster / Webfilter etc users
I'll set it to display a message as to why we have censored Mattel's site and assure the user that it is the only site we censor. If you want to go to their site please go to another machine.
It is similar to "Usenet Death Sentence" and I think it will work. Administers of the world, unite!
Take the offenser off the web by censoring it.
Look at the current issue between Cyber Patrol and the authors of the blocked site lister program.
One is a Canadian, anther one a Swedish. Both demanded to pull the program from a U.S. district court. (see wired news).
I have no idea *WHY* the laws of the U.S. of A. has unofficially become laws that the rest of the world must follow. In this light, I feel something must be done even if I'm not a U.S. citizen, luckily.
Anyone please tell us what kind of weight we can represent.
Well - for random packages to include/remove itself from the system's startup, Slack *does* give you SysV compatibility.
However - how often do packages want to include/remove startup stuffs? Is there a need to restart the majority of the daemons in most cases?
Not a lot for me - the majority of the startup services are installed by the distribution itself and rarely have to be removed or even restarted. Putting them under a script file ala BSD init makes sense, while apps that want to install startup stuffs are free to do so thru the SysV compatibility extension.
It makes it *SO* clear that what services are started by some random packages, and what services are the "more essential" ones started by the distribution or by yourself. I find this separation invaluable. The current Slackware startup method combines the best of both worlds and I believe it is the best I have seen yet.
Just my $2%
Has anyone successfully run gnutella on Linux (vmware doesn't count)?
I tried to run it on wine but when I tried to doubleclick on the searched items nothing came up in the download view....
A basic idea would be, encrypt the program you suspect the warez guy is distributing, and compare the encrypted content...but it may not always work if the encryption is good.
You have a point. Still, a lot of games *STILL* require the insertion of a CD when you play a game, even after installation.
Ok. Given the size of today's games, I can bear installation - but installing *AND* requireing the CD??? What nonsense.
My opinion is, even if the game only requires the CD during installation, we could still be given the choice of inserting CD everytime without installation.
Console with a hard drive.
Anyone remember the days when computer gaming was truely plug-and-play? When we just put in the floppy/cartridge/CD-ROM, boot the machine and play the game?
These days only consoles have this convenience - PC games seem to be made by lazy programmers who want to eat up their customers' hard drives by insisting on installing hundreds of MBs of basically crap on my harddrive...
I mean, ok, they're not crap, but I wouldn't mind waiting for one more second to load that funky FMV from my 24x CD-ROM drive (I bet most of you have >30x) if I can save 100's of MB of hdd space for better uses and prevent my hdd from being a few steps closer to failure thru overuse.
It is year 2000. My CD-ROM is a lot faster than 2x as it was in 1994. There's no excuse for installation.
I still remember the days when the chatter of the day was "Geez, this game is a BLOAT - it takes 4 floppies and requires you to install!!"
This is why I think the X-Box won't succeed (if the hdd is not for installation that's another story, but I highly doubt it), and I'm sure playing-right-off-the-CD is possible with computer games.
I'm sure I'm not the only one.
About the Communist vs Linux thing, our Russian friend has already given his idea. If you like your 65-year-old friend's word-of-mouth better, fine - it's your choice.
>No, "registered Democrats who listened to the
>Grateful Dead 24/7" are lazy shitheads who expect
>something for nothing. Did I touch a nerve?
You refer to the last poster, that "people who help each other out without expectation" are the "registered Democrats ". This clearly contradicts to "shitheads who expect something for nothing". If you can't explain why a lot of volunteers in the world are "shitheads who expects something for nothing", so be it. Did you touch a nerve? I dunno. But somehow my eyes can see an angry you tapping nonsense on your keyboard when you posted this.
>I can't stand the attitude of some people either.
>At least I can admit their viewpoint is as valid
>as mine instead of trying to preach down to them.
>Asshole.
There are two types of viewpoints in the world. The first type of viewpoint is logical and consistent, and the other type blatently contradicts itself.
I have no problem with the first types of viewpoint because as we know no 2 person's viewpoints are identical. The second type, however, contradicts to the very laws of temporal logic, and are invalid sentences in themselves.
You know to which category YOUR viewpoint belong and I'd leave the judgement for the readers of this thread.
Nobody is trying to "preach down to you". Did I tell you to shut up? No. Do I *even* care that your viewpoint is different than mine? Hell no. Sorry. I don't have the time to waste.
My advice - don't think so highly of yourself that anyone care to waste his/her time to preach down on you.
I challenge you not to post anonymously.
Thank you.
I would be surprised if Symantec does equally vile things - after all, if you recall correctly, Cybersitter has THE CHURCH OF $CIENTOLO*Y at their back. And we all (at least me) think after all, the company where Peter Norton is from can't be too bad...
>Or anyone else who doesn't subscribe to communist
/. Gosh. I can't believe how ignorant people are getting AND the expert claims from some of these ignorant people.
>ideals. Incidentally I'm tired of
>people who point out the obvious communist slant
>of the Linux world being labelled
>as trolls or flamebaiters. It's the truth. At
>least admit it.
Go read a book on communists in practice before getting back to
>Let me guess: You're a registered Democrat and
>listen to the Grateful Dead 24/7.
So in the nano world of yours, only "registered Democrats who listened to the Grateful Dead 24/7" help each other out and live peacefully with each other. You know what, in this world, the real world, you are insulting a lot of people. Good for you being anonymous.
>Dirty hippie. Go live on a commune where they
>don't use computers.
I guess we're running off topic here. Feel free to mod me down (I mean it, I just can't stand the attitude of some people and cannot refrain myself from participation. Follow the original thread and you may think the same. Sorry for the long flame. Thanks)
>2) Surely you are not suggesting that software
>created by introverted nerds with no
>rounded education and a world view that consists
>mainly of quake playing
Surely you are not suggesting that:
1. Everyone who creates software is an introverted nerd.
2. Everyone who creates software does not receive rounded education.
3. Everyone who creates software only play games
>who spend most of their
>time warez trading on slashdot sids
Don't be shy to tell us that you trade warez (we won't mind, care, or laugh at you) - just please don't assume everyone else is doing the same.
>is equivalent to mighty works of art such as
>"Sunflowers"???
Please tell us why not. As far as I know, VERY few artists we consider "great" had received rounded education, if any.
>However, there is one way in which Linux is like
>the artwork of Van Gough. They both belong in a
>museum.
Only great things deserve a place in the museum. I'm quite sure 100 years from now our museum will contain the first piece of Linux source code.
Thank you very much for the compliment.
If I had my moderator status I'd mod it up. Agree?
>The fact that nVidia is worth approximately half
>as much as ATI doesn't tell me anything about how
>many people actually use ATI or nVidia cards
You are completely correct - the number of computers with an ATI Rage Pro chip *FAR* exceeds that of all nVidia card combined. Now if you count all other ATI cards in...
I'd say nVidia's worth is largely due to stock fluctuations, which in turn should thanks to their announcements (often hypes).
Do us a little favor - tell everyone the name of your ISP, and let everyone who can read stay away from it like plague.
I urge everyone do this whenever we're in our rant mode - don't just tell us the bad policy of your university. Don't just tell us how your ISP censor the crap off your account.
Tell us THE NAME of these human right offenders so we have something for reference when we vote with our wallets.
Thank you.
Are we doomed to keep a whole bunch of GTK script bindings even if a scripting language is only used by one application (e.g. rep by Sawmill)?
In my perfect world, all core applications share one scripting language and can work with each other...I'm ready to join any project that ports Sawmill to Guile. Is it a very difficult thing to accomplish?
Or is there any Python-scriptable WM? I'd like to at least try one as an alternative...
Strength? Sure. But you must admit it is also a weakness.
/opt/. Uninstalling should be a fast rm -rf.
/usr/local/bin, put them in /usr/local/share, name it. After rm -rf the program directory, deleting broken symlinks is the only thing left, which is trivial to handle.
Packages come with installation methods, but often without any aid for uninstallation. (I don't use rpm at all). A script inside the package that does the uninstallation like make uninstall is a great idea, but I dunno why not everyone is implementing it.
Finding where files are to delete is a chore that shouldn't be there. I personally want to put everything that relates to a program, (say, its own default config file) in its own directory, like
For compatibility tho, something must be all over the place - symlinks. Put them in
I know the strength lies in "doing things your way", but the there's only one optimal way for each person and coincidently, the optimal way of a lot of people seems to be "stick 'em together". It is just the natural human way of doing things.
While you can enjoy your flexibility, why can't we just alter the default so that we can minimize the "administration task performed by users"?
So you think the BIOS, the transistor and the software inside the BIOS worth nothing?
Just DON'T call it Kerberos. If its aim is not to confuse people then what else?
Maybe we should call the truely open Kerberos something else, like "True-Kerberos", "Kerberos-Open" - just to make sure any dumb Joe can distinguish between the open and the proprietary from just one look.
There're packages that once installed, makes Python almost the perfect tool, at www.python.org/topics/scicomp/. I remember one of the most complete packages only have 2 not-very-long source files. Impressive.
If you don't use Python often, and need Matlab interoperativity tho, Octave is very good.
It would be helpful to university students-to-be if you can tell us the name of your school...it really helps when it comes to making a decision!