"But the bottom line is, whenever somebody -- whenever somebody, whenever we feel that somebody -- I don't want to sound too combative here, but you know, when somebody fucks with what we do, we go after them"
It just goes to show that uh, you know, you don't have to uh go to um you know school, to make alot of uh...money.
"Piracy is bad," says Linus Torvalds, the creator of Linux, when asked about the matter. "Of course you should be able to sue over copyrights.The one good lawsuit in the whole Napster case is the one by Metallica: a suit by the actual authors. While it's probably motivated mostly by money, I can still at least hope that there is a strong feeling of morals there, too"
Larry Wall says:
Larry Wall, developer of the Perl language, has a similar perspective. "Open source should be about giving away things voluntarily," he says. "When you force someone to give you something, it's no longer giving, it's stealing. Persons of leisurely moral growth often confuse giving with taking."
The main problem with any windowing type thing is the entire desktop metaphor. I dont care what OS/Desktop theme is chosen, a desktop with overlapping windows is not very intuitive from the start for novice users. It doesn't map to an intuitive human concept at all.
Secondly, the concept of folders and hard drives and files and a hierarchy is also hard for alot of people to deal with. I would be that 90% of the general computing public has a hard time dealing with hierarchical file systems. Check out the Download directory of your parent's PC. Everything they downloaded in the last 10 years is there...why...becuase thats the only place they know really exists. The heirarchical file system should be abstracted totally away from most users.
At some point you have to come to the realization that PC's are never going to be as easy to use as a TV, if you really want to use them. That might sound defeatist, but I think it is true.
Did you know that some people at MS actually go to church on Sunday? I mean is it really stuff that matters who MS hires and who they don't?
Given what I read day in and day out on Slashdot, I thought everyone at MS was a bozo anyway, so what does Slashdot care?
The bottom line is there are more people who have forgotten how to use Windows than there are *active* Linux users. Given the state of the various desktops that struggle to draw pixels on the screen, that ain't gonna change anytime soon.
Lets look at Linux as a business.
Whats Andover worth these days? 19? Down from what...80? A factor of four. Poor poor slashdot editors. Perhaps thats why they are so cranky.
Own Redhat stock? 31 and change. That is almost down to its IPO price...and a full five times off its overinflated high (150's).
Own Corel stock? Its trading in the 9's (as in less than 10)...down from 45 a few short months ago, and sinking fast.
Own VA Linux Stock? Mid 40's. Down from a high in the low 300's. A factor of 8 loss (for every dollar invested you have 12.5 cents)
Oh and don't forget the upcoming IPO for Linuxcare...you know the one that was errr um canceled?!
Yeah Linux is the future and MS is on the way out, all because they hired Ralph Reed.
On Win32 Delphi uses COM to a great extent. How will that translate to Linux? Will they port COM to Linux? Will they jump to Corba? Will they play nice with Gnome/KDE?
I hope the folks in Holland vote for blocking porn sites, however imperfectly, with whatever tools they can afford. I hope they limit the blocking to just the kids area of the library and let the pure embarrassment keep the other ones under control.
As much as folks might not like it, there are things that publicly financed institutions should not display. Its the taxpayer money. If the folks in Holland don't want it, they don't have to look at it. The majority rules. Tough. Kudos, however, for his effort to enter into a debate.
I will bet all the free speech fanatics will complain complain complain that some folks with morals (yes the M word) excercised THEIR right to free speech. So much for the first amendment:(
"Windows 2000......Bringing The Internet To Its Knees."
I just thought that was funny...I honestly don't think they have anything to do with it. If you do, then I suggest you see someone....I know I know, you aren't paranoid...its just that everyone is out to get you:)
I don't know if this is related or not but my pings in Quake 2 the last two days have really skyrocketed...instead of the typical 50ms I'm in the high 100's!!!
I hope this stops soon!!!!
(Before I get dropped a point...notice my online name)
This post is going to do some serious damage to my puny Karma, but alas, I am willing to take that chance.:(
In my neck of the woods (New Jersey), the internet enabled PC's in the childrens area are blocked. The PC's in the main area are not, and are clearly marked as such. That seems to me like a good solution in any case.
I cannot see how anyone, in their right mind, would object to placing some sort of blocking software on PC's in childrens areas of a public library. Yes you can say the list should be public, but I do not hear you complaining about the types of books the library places in the childrens section to browse. Isn't THAT censorship by your definition? I mean SOMEONE ELSE decided what books those kids can see?
My wife takes my kids to the library twice a week, and they basically have their own little safe place to wander around/browse/read/learn/enjoy. I do not have to worry or care about what book they might pick up while in that area. Its a safe, age appropriate place. It should remain so. That thinking should extend to the internet as well. The internet is part of the childrens library in this case.
As to the question of who is better qualified to forge the list of blocked sites, I say a commercial entity that have people who earn a salary doing this sort of thing, should bear the responsibility/chore of figuring out what site should be blocked and which shouldn't. Blocking some sites inadvertantly is no big deal...you said yourself that the 'net is very big. I'm sure there are thousands of sites that contain the same information that was contained in the one blocked site.
before I start, I would like to thank the reviewer for their time in posting their comments.
IMHO......
From a non system-admin point of view...Perl as a first language is scary.
Thats not to say Perl isn't useful or good, but I would not want to learn about programming by learning Perl as my first language. It has way to many oddities that, if you are interested in programming, don't make the conceptual leap, as it were, to other languages.
For example, in Perl (like most scripting languages) there is a single data type to represent everything from strings to characters to all sorts of numbers. Java/C++/C/Fortran/Basic etc...have different data types (short, long, char, String etc...) for very good reasons.
Having someone learn programming via Perl then have them get "more specific" is harder than going in the reverse direction. I can just imagine all these questions from students..."What do you mean there are specific types of variables? "What is strongly typed?" etc....
Perl also suffers from a syntax problem. Perl has chosen highly compact notation that can scare even the mosty hardy Perl programmer.
I say learn another language so you can see how Perl has generalized the problem space, not the reverse.
With these things in mind, I think the usefullness of this book is not as high as one might think.
Slashdot Mirror
I think Lars has been drumming for toooooo long.
He could barely write a complete sentence.
An example:
"But the bottom line is, whenever somebody -- whenever somebody, whenever we feel that somebody -- I don't want to sound too combative here, but you know, when somebody fucks with what we do, we go after them"
It just goes to show that uh, you know, you don't have to uh go to um you know school, to make alot of uh...money.
Follow this link
http://www.msnbc.com/news/410556.asp?0m=-11J
and you will read these quotes:
"Piracy is bad," says Linus Torvalds, the creator of Linux, when asked about the matter. "Of course you should be able to sue over copyrights.The one good lawsuit in the whole Napster case is the one by Metallica: a suit by the actual authors. While it's probably motivated mostly by money, I can still at least hope that there is a strong feeling of morals there, too"
Larry Wall says:
Larry Wall, developer of the Perl language, has a similar perspective. "Open source should be about giving away things voluntarily," he says. "When you force someone to give you something, it's no longer giving, it's stealing. Persons of leisurely moral growth often confuse giving with taking."
Lets see....
Microsoft, the "evil empire", is asking Slashdot, the "rebel alliance", to censor what its users write.
I bet this will get more posts than ANY other slashdot article in history.
Thank goodness the new servers are in.
I bet there will be close to 4000 posts.
The main problem with any windowing type thing is the entire desktop metaphor. I dont care what OS/Desktop theme is chosen, a desktop with overlapping windows is not very intuitive from the start for novice users. It doesn't map to an intuitive human concept at all.
Secondly, the concept of folders and hard drives and files and a hierarchy is also hard for alot of people to deal with. I would be that 90% of the general computing public has a hard time dealing with hierarchical file systems. Check out the Download directory of your parent's PC. Everything they downloaded in the last 10 years is there...why...becuase thats the only place they know really exists. The heirarchical file system should be abstracted totally away from most users.
At some point you have to come to the realization that PC's are never going to be as easy to use as a TV, if you really want to use them. That might sound defeatist, but I think it is true.
"I spent about an hour playing with the new HP Jornada and Casio Cassiopeia"
Thats 30 minutes each.
Obviously a very informed opinion.
"Fix" it.
I just tried to get on microsofts site to read the latest from them about this issue and I was confronted with "internal server" error message.
Did someone get in the backdoor and wreak havoc?
Did you know that some people at MS actually go to church on Sunday? I mean is it really stuff that matters who MS hires and who they don't?
Given what I read day in and day out on Slashdot, I thought everyone at MS was a bozo anyway, so what does Slashdot care?
The bottom line is there are more people who have forgotten how to use Windows than there are *active* Linux users. Given the state of the various desktops that struggle to draw pixels on the screen, that ain't gonna change anytime soon.
Lets look at Linux as a business.
Whats Andover worth these days? 19? Down from what...80? A factor of four. Poor poor slashdot editors. Perhaps thats why they are so cranky.
Own Redhat stock? 31 and change. That is almost down to its IPO price...and a full five times off its overinflated high (150's).
Own Corel stock? Its trading in the 9's (as in less than 10)...down from 45 a few short months ago, and sinking fast.
Own VA Linux Stock? Mid 40's. Down from a high in the low 300's. A factor of 8 loss (for every dollar invested you have 12.5 cents)
Oh and don't forget the upcoming IPO for Linuxcare...you know the one that was errr um canceled?!
Yeah Linux is the future and MS is on the way out, all because they hired Ralph Reed.
Get a life Slashdot.
The SlashDot slogan should be:
"News for nerds...stuff that matters to us left wingers here at Andover."
Let it be forever known that on this day, March 10, 2000, I lay claim to the staellites. They are mine, now and forever.
If anyone wishes to purchase one, the bidding starts at a mere $250.
Any takers?
On Win32 Delphi uses COM to a great extent. How will that translate to Linux? Will they port COM to Linux? Will they jump to Corba? Will they play nice with Gnome/KDE?
Thanks.
I can get a PC for that much cash.
You know that movie with Charlie Sheen and his son and Michael Douglas (Wall Street?)
I know the spelling is wrong but thats what I saw when I first saw the name.
Bad choice. It wreaks of greed.
Open Sourced Real Player?
I hope the folks in Holland vote for blocking porn sites, however imperfectly, with whatever tools they can afford. I hope they limit the blocking to just the kids area of the library and let the pure embarrassment keep the other ones under control.
:(
As much as folks might not like it, there are things that publicly financed institutions should not display. Its the taxpayer money. If the folks in Holland don't want it, they don't have to look at it. The majority rules. Tough. Kudos, however, for his effort to enter into a debate.
I will bet all the free speech fanatics will complain complain complain that some folks with morals (yes the M word) excercised THEIR right to free speech. So much for the first amendment
...but everyone is out to get me.
heheheheh
How does it feel to work for the guy who claims that he invented the internet?
New MS slogan
:)
"Windows 2000......Bringing The Internet To Its Knees."
I just thought that was funny...I honestly don't think they have anything to do with it. If you do, then I suggest you see someone....I know I know, you aren't paranoid...its just that everyone is out to get you
New MS slogan
"Windows 2000......Bringing The Internet To Its Knees."
I don't know if this is related or not but my pings in Quake 2 the last two days have really skyrocketed...instead of the typical 50ms I'm in the high 100's!!!
I hope this stops soon!!!!
(Before I get dropped a point...notice my online name)
:)
This post is going to do some serious damage to my puny Karma, but alas, I am willing to take that chance. :(
In my neck of the woods (New Jersey), the internet enabled PC's in the childrens area are blocked. The PC's in the main area are not, and are clearly marked as such. That seems to me like a good solution in any case.
I cannot see how anyone, in their right mind, would object to placing some sort of blocking software on PC's in childrens areas of a public library. Yes you can say the list should be public, but I do not hear you complaining about the types of books the library places in the childrens section to browse. Isn't THAT censorship by your definition? I mean SOMEONE ELSE decided what books those kids can see?
My wife takes my kids to the library twice a week, and they basically have their own little safe place to wander around/browse/read/learn/enjoy. I do not have to worry or care about what book they might pick up while in that area. Its a safe, age appropriate place. It should remain so. That thinking should extend to the internet as well. The internet is part of the childrens library in this case.
As to the question of who is better qualified to forge the list of blocked sites, I say a commercial entity that have people who earn a salary doing this sort of thing, should bear the responsibility/chore of figuring out what site should be blocked and which shouldn't. Blocking some sites inadvertantly is no big deal...you said yourself that the 'net is very big. I'm sure there are thousands of sites that contain the same information that was contained in the one blocked site.
Until Linux gets a standard component architecture going, it will always lag on the desktop. There is no integration.
Noise to Signal in the case of Usenet.
Bzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
thats C++ my friend.
You got a compile error!
before I start, I would like to thank the reviewer for their time in posting their comments.
IMHO......
From a non system-admin point of view...Perl as a first language is scary.
Thats not to say Perl isn't useful or good, but I would not want to learn about programming by learning Perl as my first language. It has way to many oddities that, if you are interested in programming, don't make the conceptual leap, as it were, to other languages.
For example, in Perl (like most scripting languages) there is a single data type to represent everything from strings to characters to all sorts of numbers. Java/C++/C/Fortran/Basic etc...have different data types (short, long, char, String etc...) for very good reasons.
Having someone learn programming via Perl then have them get "more specific" is harder than going in the reverse direction. I can just imagine all these questions from students..."What do you mean there are specific types of variables? "What is strongly typed?" etc....
Perl also suffers from a syntax problem. Perl has chosen highly compact notation that can scare even the mosty hardy Perl programmer.
I say learn another language so you can see how Perl has generalized the problem space, not the reverse.
With these things in mind, I think the usefullness of this book is not as high as one might think.