As much as I enjoy Linux I would say that GW, Dell, etc. would be shooting themselves in the foot if the shipped with Linux.
Lets look at the average computer luse.... erm... user...
"Hmmmm I would like to access this file on this floppy disk with my brand new PC" ::reads manual:: ::continutes reading manual:: ::flash forward 6 hours later user buried in documentation, man pages, and web site printouts:: "Argh! I give up! Back to windows! I am retugning this blasted thing!"
User Friendliness is not one of Linux's high points. I think they would be better BeOS (which is more user friendly accorung from waht I have heard)
Oh well. I think that this is a welcome departure from their "M$ only" atmosphere. Cheers.
*cough* Figuring the the theme of the above 2 posts are along the same lines and they are relatively close on the postings I will figure they are writing by the same luser...erm... person...
I don't play Doom because its cool. I play it because its fun! I don't need to be 'saved' I don't want to be 'saved'. I enjoy my life the way it is! I would rather laugh with the sinners then pray with the saints! Sinners have much more fun! Only the good die young!
And your second comment about my lack of sex. My girlfriend would like to have a word or 2 with you.;-)
There's a critical question here: Are the game designers the same people who earlier decried violent video games? If not, then no, they aren't being hypocritical. I was more leaning toward anyone who would have the inkling of saying 'well this game is different'.
Lemme try a different way of thinking. One of the 10 Commandments is (paraphase) 'Don't Kill'. Christian Leaders have been saying to an extent that Doom/Quake/etc are a extention of that since they promote killing. Now... What about this game? Your killing Demons and fallen angels and whatnot! Is that any different then killing a zombie/Heavy Weapon Dude/Other AI bots?
All the Christians? You may wish to check your sources; I happened to be at least one counterexample to your theory. Yep. I screwed up. You have the right to flame. I was a bit in 'flame mode' so I went a bit overboard
OK. I wasn't to clear on 'Always' and I beleive I should refine my wildcards. After every school shooting/major act of violence of kids. You can see the Christian USENET newsgroups all dicussing on how Doom/Quake/Violence on Television/Heavy Metal Music/anything else that doesn't praise their God in some way is a work of the devil and used to corrupt today's youth. If I had ambition I bet I could find some such articles on the web.
and yes... its not ALL christians and yes... some geeks are christians... and yes... some Christians play doom/play quake/watch violent tv/listen to metalica.
On my workstation at school I have Doom installed. Me and my firends play until the cows come home when our assignments are done. Every time we play a DM somebody comes on over and usually attempts to save me. I have been invited to countless christian group meeting just because I play doom in a public lab. Unfortunately, this is where I have fromed my opinion. Some of my friends are really good people and I do have Christian firends who play doom AND go to church! Wow!:) I don't have any problems with these people. Just leave me alone and I don't care. Pray for my soul and private and leave me out of it.
On the one hand Jon Katz pushes tolerance for those who are different and freedom of speech for all. On the other, as in this article, he seems to be doing the opposite. Why all the venom against Christians Jon? Would you make the same nasty, baseless, comments about a game representing Jewish or Muslim mythology? How about Hindu? Paganism?
Did Jon ever say anyhting that the Christians didn't have the right to produce the game? No. He is just pointing out their hypocrisy (sp?) I don't think he has anything against Christians personally he just points out the flaws they show. The days following Columbine all the Christians say 'Violence is horrible! Its the Internet! We should ban it! No more Quake! No more Doom! Its the devil!' Yet now they come up with this game where its now OK to blow up all these demons because you are doing in the name of God! Wow! Does this mean that if I play this game (which I wont), walk into school and shoot up all the 'non-believers' (which I won't:) ) that I won't be catagoried as having violent tendecies because I play a game such as this? I mean, I am just blowing up demons because God told me too! The 'non-believers' are just the same as demons since they don't have my god on their side!
Jon is saying that The Christians have ALWAYS been saying on how these games corrupt and other evil things. Yet NOW they release this game that acts in exactly the same way, yet its OK that since you are a 'Angel' and you are killing 'Demons'. Oh yep. I can see the big difference that creates. Hasn't anyone ever played Doom? You kill 'Hell Barons' and 'Hell Knights' Lets go use that for our CCD classes!:)
(flamebait) I am writing a PWAD file for Islamic Militants so when you choose to follow the Koran you can blow up buses and stuff:) (/flamebait)
Well I attempted to post this but IE barfed so here we go again....
Last login: Thu Oct 21 15:01:05 1999 from 198.137.241.30 Linux 2.2.12. No mail. albatross:~# mount -t slut/dev/girlfriend/mnt/bed mount: fs type slut not supported by kernel albatross:~#
How should we take this. Is he a real hacker that was just taking MTV 'for a ride' or is he just really a script kiddie who is now up to his neck in flames say "oh no! I was only a JOKE!!!!!" I dunno.
What Jon is saying is that People are instantateous calling Singer a "a monster" while people are not paying attention to the flip side of the coin. I think singer's idea is sick and my morals wouldn't let me accept it. But the idea is fine and dandy. I wouldn't call Singer a monster any more then calling you a close-minded idiot.;)
You are proving Jon's statement by saying 'thats a stupid idea. He shouldn't say stuff like that' What Jon is saying is that Singer, You, Your next door neighbor, and everyone else can say your opinions. Unfortunately since a LOT of people are stuck in the mindframe 'I am right and everyone who disagrees should be shot' mindframe Singer, myself, and anyone else who has a diffrent way of looking at things, can't go expressing our ideas that aren't "social acceptable".
Linux is not and should not be pushed as a 'Desktop Environment' I use my Windows PCs as my 'desktop' machines and they co-exist with my Linux NFS/HTTP/Samba/(ETC, ETC, ETC...) Servers. I use my Linux Boxen for my software development and LAN Administration. Two fields (among many) that Microsoft really lacks in comapred to *NIX (IIS? *throws up in his trash bucket*) Yes Microsoft Systems are bulky, unstable, and generally just suck ass. But they are what most people use and most software is designed for it. (Plus when is Starcraft for Linux coming out? Huh?;) ) But when it comes down to it. Linux is far better low-end server (and if you have money/time/effort, a great high-end server) then a 'Desktop' Machine
Now don't get me wrong. Right next to my windows box I have a nice Linux box which I use for 'Desktop' Purposes. Whenever MS can't get something done that I want it to do (which happens all to often, I switch over to it.
Also. I think that EVERY OS has their fanatics, including Microsoft (All those 3l33t h@x0r d00dz that hang out on AOL) just A. the media pays more attention to us because we are "the new kids on the block" and we have more to prove, and B. Most MS users really have no clue how to use e-mail;)
Plus, anyone who quasi agrees with this, ever try Be? Its a great system and it interfaces greatly with my LAN, Unfortunately the CD I had is among the missing so I don't have my box anymore (SAM! GIMMIE MY CD BACK! I KNOW YOU ARE OUT THERE!)
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Lets look at the average computer luse.... erm... user...
"Hmmmm I would like to access this file on this floppy disk with my brand new PC"
::reads manual::
::continutes reading manual::
::flash forward 6 hours later user buried in documentation, man pages, and web site printouts::
"Argh! I give up! Back to windows! I am retugning this blasted thing!"
User Friendliness is not one of Linux's high points. I think they would be better BeOS (which is more user friendly accorung from waht I have heard)
Oh well. I think that this is a welcome departure from their "M$ only" atmosphere. Cheers.
I don't play Doom because its cool. I play it because its fun! I don't need to be 'saved' I don't want to be 'saved'. I enjoy my life the way it is! I would rather laugh with the sinners then pray with the saints! Sinners have much more fun! Only the good die young!
And your second comment about my lack of sex. My girlfriend would like to have a word or 2 with you. ;-)
Are the game designers the same people who earlier decried violent video games?
If not, then no, they aren't being hypocritical.
I was more leaning toward anyone who would have the inkling of saying 'well this game is different'.
Lemme try a different way of thinking. One of the 10 Commandments is (paraphase) 'Don't Kill'. Christian Leaders have been saying to an extent that Doom/Quake/etc are a extention of that since they promote killing. Now... What about this game? Your killing Demons and fallen angels and whatnot! Is that any different then killing a zombie/Heavy Weapon Dude/Other AI bots?
All the Christians? You may wish to check your sources; I happened to be at least one counterexample to your theory.
Yep. I screwed up. You have the right to flame. I was a bit in 'flame mode' so I went a bit overboard
and yes... its not ALL christians and yes... some geeks are christians... and yes... some Christians play doom/play quake/watch violent tv/listen to metalica.
On my workstation at school I have Doom installed. Me and my firends play until the cows come home when our assignments are done. Every time we play a DM somebody comes on over and usually attempts to save me. I have been invited to countless christian group meeting just because I play doom in a public lab. Unfortunately, this is where I have fromed my opinion. Some of my friends are really good people and I do have Christian firends who play doom AND go to church! Wow! :) I don't have any problems with these people. Just leave me alone and I don't care. Pray for my soul and private and leave me out of it.
Wow.... Did I rant...
Did Jon ever say anyhting that the Christians didn't have the right to produce the game? No. He is just pointing out their hypocrisy (sp?) I don't think he has anything against Christians personally he just points out the flaws they show. The days following Columbine all the Christians say 'Violence is horrible! Its the Internet! We should ban it! No more Quake! No more Doom! Its the devil!' Yet now they come up with this game where its now OK to blow up all these demons because you are doing in the name of God! Wow! Does this mean that if I play this game (which I wont), walk into school and shoot up all the 'non-believers' (which I won't :) ) that I won't be catagoried as having violent tendecies because I play a game such as this? I mean, I am just blowing up demons because God told me too! The 'non-believers' are just the same as demons since they don't have my god on their side!
Jon is saying that The Christians have ALWAYS been saying on how these games corrupt and other evil things. Yet NOW they release this game that acts in exactly the same way, yet its OK that since you are a 'Angel' and you are killing 'Demons'. Oh yep. I can see the big difference that creates. Hasn't anyone ever played Doom? You kill 'Hell Barons' and 'Hell Knights' Lets go use that for our CCD classes! :)
(flamebait) :)
I am writing a PWAD file for Islamic Militants so when you choose to follow the Koran you can blow up buses and stuff
(/flamebait)
Last login: Thu Oct 21 15:01:05 1999 from 198.137.241.30 /dev/girlfriend /mnt/bed
Linux 2.2.12.
No mail.
albatross:~# mount -t slut
mount: fs type slut not supported by kernel
albatross:~#
Drat! I thought I worked out that bug! =)
Maybe I jsut won't watch TV anymore...
When they were showing these 3l33t h@x0r d00dz were they using mainstream (OSes Windows/Mac) or were they using *NIX/BeOS/etc etc etc.
Sorry for posting off-topic... But I jsut had to know :)
You are proving Jon's statement by saying 'thats a stupid idea. He shouldn't say stuff like that' What Jon is saying is that Singer, You, Your next door neighbor, and everyone else can say your opinions. Unfortunately since a LOT of people are stuck in the mindframe 'I am right and everyone who disagrees should be shot' mindframe Singer, myself, and anyone else who has a diffrent way of looking at things, can't go expressing our ideas that aren't "social acceptable".
In other words people should just grow up.
Now don't get me wrong. Right next to my windows box I have a nice Linux box which I use for 'Desktop' Purposes. Whenever MS can't get something done that I want it to do (which happens all to often, I switch over to it.
Also. I think that EVERY OS has their fanatics, including Microsoft (All those 3l33t h@x0r d00dz that hang out on AOL) just A. the media pays more attention to us because we are "the new kids on the block" and we have more to prove, and B. Most MS users really have no clue how to use e-mail ;)
Plus, anyone who quasi agrees with this, ever try Be? Its a great system and it interfaces greatly with my LAN, Unfortunately the CD I had is among the missing so I don't have my box anymore (SAM! GIMMIE MY CD BACK! I KNOW YOU ARE OUT THERE!)