The majority haven't, because people won't put up with that sh*t.
You're right. You are completely and totally right. Why, just last week I was down at H.H.Gregg looking at buying a new Washer/Dryer combo and noticed a whole group of little old ladies. They had the salesclerk surrounded and were DEMANDING to be shown proof that the firmware in the control panel of the new Amana Microwave Oven had been thorougly regression-tested and was not mere Release Candidate firmware.
Why do you say that? They can head over to WalMart and buy a new replacement copy of XP Home for only about $100.
Your concern for these poor people is misplaced, and just posturing on your part. You are not prohibited from copying down the license key number and retaining it at multiple locations. Hell, you can even write down the license key number on a little slip of paper, bring it in to that front area of the WalMart store, pay a few dollars to have in engraved on a metal luggage tag, and wear it around your neck if you so choose.
And anyways, as long as they've burned a fresh copy of the NetBSD.iso installer onto media before borking their whole hard drive, there is always a highly rational 'recovery plan' they can take.
People who are using these 'release candates' the way that Microsoft intends them should have no problem. These are not targeted as 'free trial versions' for the warez crowd. These are pre-release test versions for developers. Anybody who has to 'reinstall everything they do' is using the software improperly and on their own as to the consequences. And any self-respecting geek has secondary test machines capable of trying this stuff out, not just spare partitions or drives.
it downloads fine without Internet Exporer OR Windows.
Indeed. I am downloading it on a NetBSD system. Using wget. My.wgetrc has the line 'user-agent=Xlib-4.21' in it. (Also the valuable line 'robots=off' of course)
You are probably more correct in your use of the term 'backwards compatability' when describing applications.
Up until recently I used Windows 2000 at work, on a 400 MHz Pentium II system. Then IT 'upgraded' me to a 450 MHz Pentium III system with XP. Windows 2000 was considerably more responsive and useful on the PII than XP is on the PIII. The PIII has more memory, incidentally, and I run XP rolled back to the 'classic' desktop. I just wish I could convince IT to put W2K on the system. But they're dunderheads and actually run Windows on the servers, if you can believe that.
When a small-towns economy has been bilking the local residents for years to such a degree that WalMart can completely wipe them out in a few months merely by establishing a presence in the area, you are talking about a band of merchants in said small town who SHOULD be driven out of business. From the mock-populist point of view popular with people who slag WalMart, they have been ripping the townspeople off for years
All those storefronts will be filled up with more deserving merchants who have a niche or can compete in the marketplace.
If the town's economy fails, it was a bloodsucking operation in the first place.
Costco pays their employees about three times as much as WalMart, and since their sales volume per employee is about three times that of WalMart, it seems they extract that much more labor out of each employee. The people who demand that WalMart start paying their employees 'equivalent pay to what other stores offer' need to help decide which 2/3 of the WalMart staff should be fired. Until they have this answer, they should (how should I put this?) FOAD (no, that's too harsh).
WalMart sells high quality products. They also sell some of the cheapest possible.
I bought my Gruen wristwatch at WalMart. It has an all stainless steel body and band, and is waranteed for 14 years. They also carry a large line of absolute shit watches. I paid $80 for my Gruen, and will probably get more value from it than I would buying a new $4.88 watch every 9 months.
My brother-in-law bought a Honda lawn mower because there is such great quality behind the Honda name. He spent in excess of $600 on a regular push mower.
He has had horrible experiences with it, and now has given up and went out and bought an inexpensive > $150 mower at a discount store. The Honda sits in the garage, useless.
I have a 1958 LawnBoy mower (from the 'Yellow Deck' era, very much a collectors item) and have used it once or twice. It's two-cycle, though, and when I used it to mow part of our pasture, the fog of smoke that rose slowly wafted over to settle over the Trailer Park (those poooor people!) a quarter mile off. They'll never know the difference, of course, until it discolors the external packaging ("gotta keep your investment in the original box!") of their NASCAR collectables.
Furthermore, WalMart actuall 'Flattens' the layers of middlemen that consumers otherwise have to obtain their purchased through. WalMart deals directly with the producers of goods, not through several layers of bullshit like the Mom & Pop operations. As a result, they keep the 'middle' costs down.
This pisses off a whole consortium of 'gimmie' operators in the middle, and the scale of their operation terrifies the Union Bosses who want to be the main 'big guys' and maintain their industry-wide labor cartel.
So essentially we 'win' if we demand that third-party Windows developers maintain compatability with Win32. I hesitate to call it 'XP' since XP is just a layer of crayons and kiddie bullshit on top of Windows 2000. XP is the 'Windows Me' of the NT line.
Every good thing that Clinton had accomplished during his 2 terms, have been flushed down the toilet by the snide little idiot who currently sits in office now.
Your metaphor fits, since everything that Clinton 'accomplished' was essentially just a turd.
It's really weird, how the people who hover over their keyboard on DailyKos or the DemocraticUnderground ready to slam anything related to the DLC are so quick to defend the DLC's star Candidate.
Why do you counter with 'What has Bush accomplished?' You expect me to defend ANY of the bullshit that people do once they've attained the reins of state power that nobody should wield in the first place?
In all fairness it's called the "Vista User Interface Guidelines" for a reason, not the "Backwards Compatible 2000/XP/Vista User Interface Guidelines".
A lot of the new better APIs (such as making message boxes that have sensible descriptive buttons) have no functional equivalent on XP.
Those points may be true. But Backwards Compatability is actually one of the few things Microsoft does that allows them to hold onto their market share. If we can't 'bring along' our legacy apps from Win32, we're not gonna buy Vista. Microsoft's death-grip on the OEMs isn't strong enough that they can force upgrades to 'Vista' by that means.
I don't think it is being characterized as 'handling it well' in many circles. Maybe in a few 'spin zones.'
The guy is finally coming to acknowledge that he fucked up and will always be known as a third or fourth rate president. Kind of like hollow old Carter, who rattles around the international stage trying to stir up some interest in himself.
So, people with the means can get fancy new prosthetic hands, with lifelike and semi-functional fingers. People with limited funds, or an ideology driving their choice, can get the open-source 'Stallman Hook.'
'Aye, Matey' exclaims an idealist gimp, with enthusiasm.
The market was mostly open source back in the 1970s and it *did* decide the issue -- it wanted proprietary software.
That is kind of a historical distortion, however. The 'open source' market of the 70's and before was one where the hardware acted like a big six-figure 'dongle' that kept the customer tied to the platform. In that environment, freely distributing the software kept the customers buying more hardware. There wasn't a 'commodity' hardware market, and most of the software was fairly hardware-bound. And it wasn't at all cross-platform.
Remember, back in the 70's the rudimentary computers available were all five to six figure investments. At that same point in time, a Volkswagen Beetle was a three figure purchase, and even a moderately priced sports car cost less than a single disk drive.
Linus can't simply update the kernel license to BPLv3. If you dig around in that big source tarball, there are sections that are specified 2.0. Hardcoded that way, if you will.
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The majority haven't, because people won't put up with that sh*t.
You're right. You are completely and totally right. Why, just last week I was down at H.H.Gregg looking at buying a new Washer/Dryer combo and noticed a whole group of little old ladies. They had the salesclerk surrounded and were DEMANDING to be shown proof that the firmware in the control panel of the new Amana Microwave Oven had been thorougly regression-tested and was not mere Release Candidate firmware.
Why do you say that? They can head over to WalMart and buy a new replacement copy of XP Home for only about $100.
.iso installer onto media before borking their whole hard drive, there is always a highly rational 'recovery plan' they can take.
Your concern for these poor people is misplaced, and just posturing on your part. You are not prohibited from copying down the license key number and retaining it at multiple locations. Hell, you can even write down the license key number on a little slip of paper, bring it in to that front area of the WalMart store, pay a few dollars to have in engraved on a metal luggage tag, and wear it around your neck if you so choose.
And anyways, as long as they've burned a fresh copy of the NetBSD
People who are using these 'release candates' the way that Microsoft intends them should have no problem. These are not targeted as 'free trial versions' for the warez crowd. These are pre-release test versions for developers. Anybody who has to 'reinstall everything they do' is using the software improperly and on their own as to the consequences. And any self-respecting geek has secondary test machines capable of trying this stuff out, not just spare partitions or drives.
it downloads fine without Internet Exporer OR Windows.
.wgetrc has the line 'user-agent=Xlib-4.21' in it. (Also the valuable line 'robots=off' of course)
Indeed. I am downloading it on a NetBSD system. Using wget. My
I'm not up on the buzzwords in whatever sort of deceptive game you play.
You are probably more correct in your use of the term 'backwards compatability' when describing applications.
Up until recently I used Windows 2000 at work, on a 400 MHz Pentium II system. Then IT 'upgraded' me to a 450 MHz Pentium III system with XP. Windows 2000 was considerably more responsive and useful on the PII than XP is on the PIII. The PIII has more memory, incidentally, and I run XP rolled back to the 'classic' desktop. I just wish I could convince IT to put W2K on the system. But they're dunderheads and actually run Windows on the servers, if you can believe that.
The public relations department of a group of powerful Trade Unions isn't generating that sort of propaganda against any of the other chain stores.
When a small-towns economy has been bilking the local residents for years to such a degree that WalMart can completely wipe them out in a few months merely by establishing a presence in the area, you are talking about a band of merchants in said small town who SHOULD be driven out of business. From the mock-populist point of view popular with people who slag WalMart, they have been ripping the townspeople off for years
All those storefronts will be filled up with more deserving merchants who have a niche or can compete in the marketplace.
If the town's economy fails, it was a bloodsucking operation in the first place.
You must live in a high crime area. None of the DVDs are 'behind glass' at the local store here.
I suppose you now pay %25 more at Sam Goody?
Costco pays their employees about three times as much as WalMart, and since their sales volume per employee is about three times that of WalMart, it seems they extract that much more labor out of each employee. The people who demand that WalMart start paying their employees 'equivalent pay to what other stores offer' need to help decide which 2/3 of the WalMart staff should be fired. Until they have this answer, they should (how should I put this?) FOAD (no, that's too harsh).
WalMart sells high quality products. They also sell some of the cheapest possible.
I bought my Gruen wristwatch at WalMart. It has an all stainless steel body and band, and is waranteed for 14 years. They also carry a large line of absolute shit watches. I paid $80 for my Gruen, and will probably get more value from it than I would buying a new $4.88 watch every 9 months.
My brother-in-law bought a Honda lawn mower because there is such great quality behind the Honda name. He spent in excess of $600 on a regular push mower.
He has had horrible experiences with it, and now has given up and went out and bought an inexpensive > $150 mower at a discount store. The Honda sits in the garage, useless.
I have a 1958 LawnBoy mower (from the 'Yellow Deck' era, very much a collectors item) and have used it once or twice. It's two-cycle, though, and when I used it to mow part of our pasture, the fog of smoke that rose slowly wafted over to settle over the Trailer Park (those poooor people!) a quarter mile off. They'll never know the difference, of course, until it discolors the external packaging ("gotta keep your investment in the original box!") of their NASCAR collectables.
Furthermore, WalMart actuall 'Flattens' the layers of middlemen that consumers otherwise have to obtain their purchased through. WalMart deals directly with the producers of goods, not through several layers of bullshit like the Mom & Pop operations. As a result, they keep the 'middle' costs down.
This pisses off a whole consortium of 'gimmie' operators in the middle, and the scale of their operation terrifies the Union Bosses who want to be the main 'big guys' and maintain their industry-wide labor cartel.
So essentially we 'win' if we demand that third-party Windows developers maintain compatability with Win32. I hesitate to call it 'XP' since XP is just a layer of crayons and kiddie bullshit on top of Windows 2000. XP is the 'Windows Me' of the NT line.
Every good thing that Clinton had accomplished during his 2 terms, have been flushed down the toilet by the snide little idiot who currently sits in office now.
Your metaphor fits, since everything that Clinton 'accomplished' was essentially just a turd.
It's really weird, how the people who hover over their keyboard on DailyKos or the DemocraticUnderground ready to slam anything related to the DLC are so quick to defend the DLC's star Candidate.
Why do you counter with 'What has Bush accomplished?' You expect me to defend ANY of the bullshit that people do once they've attained the reins of state power that nobody should wield in the first place?
"Tough boys ....
....
Come over here
I wanna bite and kiss you
Rough boys
Don't walk away
I wanna buy you leather
Tough boys
Come over here
I wanna bite and kiss you"
(actual Pete Townshend lyrics from the 'Empty Bottle' album)
Those points may be true. But Backwards Compatability is actually one of the few things Microsoft does that allows them to hold onto their market share. If we can't 'bring along' our legacy apps from Win32, we're not gonna buy Vista. Microsoft's death-grip on the OEMs isn't strong enough that they can force upgrades to 'Vista' by that means.
I don't think it is being characterized as 'handling it well' in many circles. Maybe in a few 'spin zones.'
The guy is finally coming to acknowledge that he fucked up and will always be known as a third or fourth rate president. Kind of like hollow old Carter, who rattles around the international stage trying to stir up some interest in himself.
Well, let's see how Clinton can twist and turn 'renewable energy' into a malevolent disaster. It'll be an interesting challange for him.
So, people with the means can get fancy new prosthetic hands, with lifelike and semi-functional fingers. People with limited funds, or an ideology driving their choice, can get the open-source 'Stallman Hook.'
'Aye, Matey' exclaims an idealist gimp, with enthusiasm.
Huh? My home-recorded tapes are obviously newer than the albums.
(actually, any tapes I wanted to keep, I recorded to WAV and transported to CD a long time back)
No, read his comment again. The only thing he feels he can do is, uh, 'vote with his wallet.' That's true consumer-speak, there.
That is kind of a historical distortion, however. The 'open source' market of the 70's and before was one where the hardware acted like a big six-figure 'dongle' that kept the customer tied to the platform. In that environment, freely distributing the software kept the customers buying more hardware. There wasn't a 'commodity' hardware market, and most of the software was fairly hardware-bound. And it wasn't at all cross-platform.
Remember, back in the 70's the rudimentary computers available were all five to six figure investments. At that same point in time, a Volkswagen Beetle was a three figure purchase, and even a moderately priced sports car cost less than a single disk drive.
Linus can't simply update the kernel license to BPLv3. If you dig around in that big source tarball, there are sections that are specified 2.0. Hardcoded that way, if you will.
About your tagline (which kinda is in context in this whole topic thread)
My revision-
"Allowing programmers to name serious 'flagship' Linux applications is right in line with kicking the marketing people out of the meeting."
Now, if you think like a marketing person, that is a bad thing I guess. . .