Well, I personally think a thorough audit of the whole 'recycling' operation needs to be conducted. Just where are all the recycled materials going? Is there any point in recycling each and every material? And why is recycling encouraged instead of reusable, returnable for deposit containers?
As always in any government-mandated operation, parasites grow at the points where they can grab ahold. And there are well-documented cases of 'just-because' recycling operations where none of the material is really being properly recycled. Recycling operations are set up 'just because we can' and a whole new batch of taxpayer-funded 'workers' make their way on the payroll.
Some of us even live far from 'town center' and still defy stereotypes.
We have just under four acres here on an old rural highway. My car is a 1993 that gets 33 mpg with 187K miles on it. Very, very little of our house is 'plastic' since plastic hadn't been invented when it was built (all the oldest wiring, for instance, has cloth/rubber insulation).
Actually, we have two driveways, since I park on the one that leads to the small pasture out back.
The idea of living in some 'town center' just makes me wince. High density housing is for somebody else, to be certain.
Wouldn't a simple leaflet widely distributed, telling people where to drill a hole in the garbage containers solve some of these problems?
I can't imagine the RFID element can be very deep in the plastic of the bin. It certainly can't be behind metal or it wouldn't reflect a RF signal to ID itself. So drill a hole through the RFIC chip and say 'goodbye' to it nicely.
If there are one or several makes and models of trashbins in an area, a leaflet with illustrations clearly indicating 'drill here' could be easily distributed. Heck, there are probably folks who would canvas through neighborhoods carrying cordless drills to provide the needed social service.
Ah, yes. 'Recycling' becomes the camel's nose and into the tent come meddlers.
Really, the environmentalist interests should be bending over backwards to avoid their movement from being subverted by busybodies with a different agenda.
I just seen to many windows kids loose it completly when they are put to work with a non-windows computer. Or even DOS. Or an older windows version. Or indeed any computer that is not a 100% copy of their home system.
Those people will 'lose it' if the desktop is switched from KDE to Gnome (or FVWM, yay FVWM! or mwm or even twm, yay twm!) too. You don't describe a Free/not-Free software scenario. Though a monoculture of only $LATEST_VERSION_WINDOZ does promote such a scenario.
Tell your congressman that you should be allowed to distribute someone else's code without having to get a license.
Who says the GPL'd library is distributed with his code. Maybe his brother-in-law produces a freely distributable GPL'd program (say one that pops up a dialogue box with a fortune in it) that links the the GPL'd library. You distribute your binary, and say 'works best on systems with MagickFortuneXYZ' installed.
Belive me, there's always legal trickery. As is often happily decreed 'hackers route around restrictions.'
To use a library's API, you #include a header of some sort or the other. It can be a header downloaded from free from the "Max's Sandwich Shop(tm)" website, where it's included in the recipie for Max's famous rye bread. There used to be (doubltess still are) these cool 'shroud' tools that could be purchased out of the back of the C Programming Journal. They'll translate any source code into completely ureadable but eminently compilable binaries. This is just a twist on that. You can create your alternative header file from any number of alternative expressions of the original header. Like they did to get around the IBM BIOS restrictions at Phoenix decades ago.
3. If your program is dynamically linked, there must be a pretty convincing argument that you tested and indend it to work with the alternative implementation, for instance it can't have any code that says "if (gpl_version) do_function_missing from_alternative()".
True, but all you have to do is provide an alternative library with your binary distribution that can even just cause your program to crash spectactularly if it links to the alternative library (which can be a block of random bytes). Unless you've written a tight product specification for your program that guarantees how it will behave, it's certainly your right to have it react differently to different blocks of 'data' that it encounters, for example, a block of 'data' that happens to be a GPL'd library.
Regarding your 'if (gpl_version)' case: who says the released program comes with any source at all to discern this?
My Yoyodyne Spricket program is released only as a binary. It might do something interesting if the right 'data' is found (a GPL'd library). It might crash otherwise. It's distributed with a sample 'data' file that makes it type out 'Hello, Whirled' and then halt. There's no guarantee what it will do if it finds the 'right' library. There are rumors and people have experiences to relate, but there's nothing in the specification shipped with the Yoyodyne distribution that makes any promise at all.
The fact that you must deliberately introduce the GPL code into your project seems to put a bit of a spanner in the works
Or if somebody in your employ, or somebody else involved on the team developing the program you are working on, introduces the GPL code, (I might add) without your knowlege or consent or the consent of management at your organization.
See, there's the viral nature introduced again. The 'vector' is some rogue or irresponsible coder. The victim could be a huge team working on a large project.
Well, adding a small amount of IBM or Apple or Microsoft's code into your source code makes your entire source code 'illegal' in just the way the GPL'd code is illegal. It's just that the 'punishment phase' of the violation of the GPL'd code's copyright is to release your source code. You can also opt to cease all distribution of your binaries instead **. There isn't an established legal 'camel's nose under the tent' precedent that prys open big repositories of code as a mandatory action just because a little snippet of GPL'd code was included.
(** there are probably ogres and activists and even lawyers who will instead try to coerce you into 'releasing the source code.' )
You have a point. And even if your code dynamically links to the GPL'd library only at runtime, it seems some people maintain your code violates the GPL if it also isn't released under the GPL license. That almost seems like prior restraint. Your code isn't allowed to 'trespass' into the GPL'd library at run-time, because it might not be GPL'd itself.
I paid $2600 for a laptop that has a 386sx-16 in it, and four megs of RAM.
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Thirty years ago, all of the computers were controlled and operated by condescending assholes like you. If a 'user' wanted a report, he went to the room with the half door and 'submitted a request' on a form. Two hours later, if he was lucky, a massive greenbar printout would be sitting on the table provided for said purpose. The 'operators' wore lab coats and were the only people allowed to touch the computer.
I sincerely doubt anybody is gonna let a fucking priesthood like that take over again. One of the ways the Personal Computer was liberating is that it blew away that kind of bullshit. 'Power to the people' and all that.
Who is he kidding? When the series ended in 1969 there were only 80 episodes. The so-called 'derivitive' series' came many years later and are a completely different kind of television. They're kind of the equivalent, frankly, of Star Trek remade the way a Woman's Studies department would redo it in 1989. . . Not necessarily a bad thing in all regards, but definitely not Star Trek.
I guess there was a brand-name there that really begged to be capitalized on. Let's not get carried away with it, though.
I was wondering when the comment to McChimpy Bushaliburton was going to appear. Way further down the list of comments than I expected. Too busy DDOSing the DLC website, are we??
Who said anything about the 'Bay Area'?? The GP referred to the USA.
I live in a 19th century house on five acres of land. I am within a mile of a small town that has one of the better private colleges in this midwestern state. I paid $120K for this property. Life is, uh, pretty good.
I live in the USA. The 'Bay Area' is some freak economic zone that definitely is NOT America.
I chalk it up to the success of the Stalinists in the 50's and 60's in characterizing Orwell's book '1984' as a general indictment of society, rather than the focused parody of Stalinism that it written as.
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Screaming from the treetops about 'the last basion of ideas' is ludicrous.
The media has NEVER been any more or less free of political agendas than it is now. We are NOT 'backed into a corner' and fighting for our lives.
Your assertion is just spillover from the old hyped ideal of the early 90's that 'the Net will make us free.'
Come on. Get real. I liked reading Mondo 2000 articles by R.U.Sirius about how "the whole world was about to explode into freedom" too.
Well, I personally think a thorough audit of the whole 'recycling' operation needs to be conducted. Just where are all the recycled materials going? Is there any point in recycling each and every material? And why is recycling encouraged instead of reusable, returnable for deposit containers?
As always in any government-mandated operation, parasites grow at the points where they can grab ahold. And there are well-documented cases of 'just-because' recycling operations where none of the material is really being properly recycled. Recycling operations are set up 'just because we can' and a whole new batch of taxpayer-funded 'workers' make their way on the payroll.
Some of us even live far from 'town center' and still defy stereotypes.
We have just under four acres here on an old rural highway. My car is a 1993 that gets 33 mpg with 187K miles on it. Very, very little of our house is 'plastic' since plastic hadn't been invented when it was built (all the oldest wiring, for instance, has cloth/rubber insulation).
Actually, we have two driveways, since I park on the one that leads to the small pasture out back.
The idea of living in some 'town center' just makes me wince. High density housing is for somebody else, to be certain.
Wouldn't a simple leaflet widely distributed, telling people where to drill a hole in the garbage containers solve some of these problems?
I can't imagine the RFID element can be very deep in the plastic of the bin. It certainly can't be behind metal or it wouldn't reflect a RF signal to ID itself. So drill a hole through the RFIC chip and say 'goodbye' to it nicely.
If there are one or several makes and models of trashbins in an area, a leaflet with illustrations clearly indicating 'drill here' could be easily distributed. Heck, there are probably folks who would canvas through neighborhoods carrying cordless drills to provide the needed social service.
Ah, yes. 'Recycling' becomes the camel's nose and into the tent come meddlers.
Really, the environmentalist interests should be bending over backwards to avoid their movement from being subverted by busybodies with a different agenda.
I wasn't arguing the good or bad of anything. Just defending the assertion of a 'viral' nature of the GPL.
I just seen to many windows kids loose it completly when they are put to work with a non-windows computer. Or even DOS. Or an older windows version. Or indeed any computer that is not a 100% copy of their home system.
Those people will 'lose it' if the desktop is switched from KDE to Gnome (or FVWM, yay FVWM! or mwm or even twm, yay twm!) too. You don't describe a Free/not-Free software scenario. Though a monoculture of only $LATEST_VERSION_WINDOZ does promote such a scenario.
Tell your congressman that you should be allowed to distribute someone else's code without having to get a license.
Who says the GPL'd library is distributed with his code. Maybe his brother-in-law produces a freely distributable GPL'd program (say one that pops up a dialogue box with a fortune in it) that links the the GPL'd library. You distribute your binary, and say 'works best on systems with MagickFortuneXYZ' installed.
Belive me, there's always legal trickery. As is often happily decreed 'hackers route around restrictions.'
In above, substitute 'ureadable but eminently compilable binaries.' with 'unreadable source code that compiles into perfectly usable binaries.'
To use a library's API, you #include a header of some sort or the other. It can be a header downloaded from free from the "Max's Sandwich Shop(tm)" website, where it's included in the recipie for Max's famous rye bread. There used to be (doubltess still are) these cool 'shroud' tools that could be purchased out of the back of the C Programming Journal. They'll translate any source code into completely ureadable but eminently compilable binaries. This is just a twist on that. You can create your alternative header file from any number of alternative expressions of the original header. Like they did to get around the IBM BIOS restrictions at Phoenix decades ago.
3. If your program is dynamically linked, there must be a pretty convincing argument that you tested and indend it to work with the alternative implementation, for instance it can't have any code that says "if (gpl_version) do_function_missing from_alternative()".
True, but all you have to do is provide an alternative library with your binary distribution that can even just cause your program to crash spectactularly if it links to the alternative library (which can be a block of random bytes). Unless you've written a tight product specification for your program that guarantees how it will behave, it's certainly your right to have it react differently to different blocks of 'data' that it encounters, for example, a block of 'data' that happens to be a GPL'd library.
Regarding your 'if (gpl_version)' case: who says the released program comes with any source at all to discern this?
My Yoyodyne Spricket program is released only as a binary. It might do something interesting if the right 'data' is found (a GPL'd library). It might crash otherwise. It's distributed with a sample 'data' file that makes it type out 'Hello, Whirled' and then halt. There's no guarantee what it will do if it finds the 'right' library. There are rumors and people have experiences to relate, but there's nothing in the specification shipped with the Yoyodyne distribution that makes any promise at all.
And in fact, you just answered your own question, in a way. OpenSSL isn't GPL'd in part because of the issues you raised.
The fact that you must deliberately introduce the GPL code into your project seems to put a bit of a spanner in the works
Or if somebody in your employ, or somebody else involved on the team developing the program you are working on, introduces the GPL code, (I might add) without your knowlege or consent or the consent of management at your organization.
See, there's the viral nature introduced again. The 'vector' is some rogue or irresponsible coder. The victim could be a huge team working on a large project.
Well, adding a small amount of IBM or Apple or Microsoft's code into your source code makes your entire source code 'illegal' in just the way the GPL'd code is illegal. It's just that the 'punishment phase' of the violation of the GPL'd code's copyright is to release your source code. You can also opt to cease all distribution of your binaries instead **. There isn't an established legal 'camel's nose under the tent' precedent that prys open big repositories of code as a mandatory action just because a little snippet of GPL'd code was included.
(** there are probably ogres and activists and even lawyers who will instead try to coerce you into 'releasing the source code.' )
You have a point. And even if your code dynamically links to the GPL'd library only at runtime, it seems some people maintain your code violates the GPL if it also isn't released under the GPL license. That almost seems like prior restraint. Your code isn't allowed to 'trespass' into the GPL'd library at run-time, because it might not be GPL'd itself.
Microsoft Office isn't really a 'library.' And I'd worry about you if your code was linking into it to run.
I paid $2600 for a laptop that has a 386sx-16 in it, and four megs of RAM.
Thirty years ago, all of the computers were controlled and operated by condescending assholes like you. If a 'user' wanted a report, he went to the room with the half door and 'submitted a request' on a form. Two hours later, if he was lucky, a massive greenbar printout would be sitting on the table provided for said purpose. The 'operators' wore lab coats and were the only people allowed to touch the computer.
I sincerely doubt anybody is gonna let a fucking priesthood like that take over again. One of the ways the Personal Computer was liberating is that it blew away that kind of bullshit. 'Power to the people' and all that.
And the thicker we layer the sarcasm, the more obfuscated it becomes.
Who is he kidding? When the series ended in 1969 there were only 80 episodes. The so-called 'derivitive' series' came many years later and are a completely different kind of television. They're kind of the equivalent, frankly, of Star Trek remade the way a Woman's Studies department would redo it in 1989. . . Not necessarily a bad thing in all regards, but definitely not Star Trek.
I guess there was a brand-name there that really begged to be capitalized on. Let's not get carried away with it, though.
I was wondering when the comment to McChimpy Bushaliburton was going to appear. Way further down the list of comments than I expected. Too busy DDOSing the DLC website, are we??
Who said anything about the 'Bay Area'?? The GP referred to the USA.
I live in a 19th century house on five acres of land. I am within a mile of a small town that has one of the better private colleges in this midwestern state. I paid $120K for this property. Life is, uh, pretty good.
I live in the USA. The 'Bay Area' is some freak economic zone that definitely is NOT America.
It gets to the point here sometimes where good old Occam would pull out his razor and yell 'Jesus H. Christ!'
I chalk it up to the success of the Stalinists in the 50's and 60's in characterizing Orwell's book '1984' as a general indictment of society, rather than the focused parody of Stalinism that it written as.
You are correct. The hideously bloated nature of modern non-Windows OSes is not a reflection on Windows.
I personally blame C++ and big fat libraries and poorly implmented object-oriented structures. And incompetent lazy programmers, of course.