You do realize that none of those things you mentioned are really creative, right?
Chess is not a creative sport. It's can at it's root level be calculated as to what is a better move, but it is currently too complex for our current computers to calculate with 100% accuracy. Eventually they will, and all possible moves and counter moves have been calculated, the game will be solved. Much like playing tic-tac-toe.
Jeopardy is the same. It just requires more complex processing.
Computers painting and composing music are only doing so based on simulating the works of previous artists. They can't work ever come up with truly different work, just more and more impressive pieces that simulate what an artist might create, but never making that revolutionary step into a new art. A computer may come up with say another bach piece, but it wouldn't come up with rock and roll if it wasn't already created.
I don't know where you live that owning either an iPhone or iPad makes you "living like the rich". I never said that. Both are fairly affordable. The iPhone is if you put it on a pay as you go plan, and only use wireless data. Same for the iPad.
That said, I have two friends that are either unemployed or on welfare/social programs. One female, mid 30's, pregnant. Can't afford her own place, so she lives with another friend. Couldn't afford a car, so one of my friends donated/gave her one. She can't afford the medical costs of having a baby, so the state is picking up the tab for it, and... she has an iPhone 4 that she's paying $110/mo for service + the $99 should bought it for.
The second, male, mid 40's, is in a union, unemployed, and works 3 months every 2-3 years, and he also has both an iPhone and iPad.
I also take the train to work every day, and you run into all kinds of varying people there. The poorest (either admittedly, or through appearance), always have either an iPad or iPhone that they are playing on.
In the past, inventions aided humans, not replaced them.
That's not true. Inventions have been replacing humans for a very very long time. The steam engine and railroads replaced the couriers (ala pony express). The assembly line replaced manufacturing workers (not all of them, just a large portion). Email has been replacing postmen. Computers have been replacing people since their invention (whole accounting offices reduced by 90%), business analysts reduced by 50%, etc.
In almost every case, people have screamed that the end was coming because of it. People adapted at a much faster rate than they needed to (usually except the ones who were screaming the loudest).
How many cheap iphones can a jobless person purchase?
Have you seen the unemployment and welfare lines? They all have them. Go down to the poorest neighborhoods in a major city, and you'll see out of work people sitting on their porches playing words with friends on their iPads.
You mean the button that both the same icon and the same location as all the major browsers out there, that also coincidentally don't the word back on it?
Oh, and the same for Pandora One on iOS. iOS mail, button top left takes you back. Also video library.
Man, what a terrible design, they should come up with something completely new that no one else uses, like removing the button, and having you twirl your finger clockwise once then counterclock wise twice and then a double tap. That would be so much better.
Which Core 2 Duo do you have, because I'd be surprised if a E6850 slightly overclocked couldn't handle the vast majority of the latest games just fine, and the E6850 came out 5.5 years ago, and wasn't very expensive when it was released ($260). Of course, the quads were also available at that time, like the Q6600 and Q6700, not to mention the X6800 which is 6.5 years old.
Sounds like you got a 5-6 year old bargain PC and coupled it with a $80 video card ($80 at release!). I'm not surprised you are having some serious performance issues in games today.
OEM's were prohibited... putting any other alternative browsers under threat of losing their Windows distribution licenses for Windows 95
That is not correct. See the following, where the bolding is mine.
24. Fourth, Microsoft has misused, and continues to misuse, its Windows operating system monopoly by requiring PC OEMs to agree, as a condition of acquiring a license to the Windows operating system, to adopt the uniform "boot-up" sequence and "desktop" screen specified by Microsoft. This sequence determines the screens that every user sees upon turning on a Windows PC. Microsoft's exclusionary restrictions forbid, among other things, any changes by an OEM that would remove from the PC any part of Microsoft's Internet Explorer software (or any other Microsoft-dictated software) or that would add to the PC a competing browser (or other competing software) in any more prominent or visible way (including by highlighting as part of the startup sequence or by more prominent placement on the desktop screen) than the way Microsoft requires Internet Explorer to be presented.
They could add any competing browser they wanted, but they had to make IE as prominent as it. So an icon on the desktop to launch a ballot screen asking which browser you wanted to use would have been acceptable then.
And the point is invalid because: 1) I don't put the same weight on posting perfect English on slashdot as I do writing actual code. 2) Slashdot does not have an edit button. My code editors do. 2) While I am pretty good at the English language, it's not in my field. So, while I should not be taking a job as an English teacher, that says absolutely nothing about how I program. Oh, I am also very bad at drawing and coordinating colors. All of which has nothing to do with my ability to do my job. 3) You are correct that mistakes happen, however, in programming we have things like editors with grammar checking, debuggers with step tracing and watch windows, unit tests, best practices, and design. 4) Multithreaded programming isn't a difficult concept. In most cases it isn't difficult to implement.
Art is a process by an artist to convey a message or an emotion through some kind of medium for a given public.
Nope. Art doesn't necessarily have to convey anything. Nor does it necessarily have to be for a given public. Art isn't necessarily a process either. So all you've said is the guy who made something considered art could be called an artist. Everything else is wrong. But nice try.
A small quote from Stanford, which I will for this conversation consider a higher authority than random internet guy who likes to call people names:
Whether art can be defined has also been a matter of controversy. The philosophical usefulness of a definition of art has also been debated.
Perhaps you need to attend a better school, go back to one, or ask your school for a refund.
You sir, are an asshat. You are probably referring to the visual arts, however, almost anything can be considered art by definition depending on the observers opinion. Telling someone to shut up is not only rude, but shows your ignorance when someone points out something that you choose to ignore out of ignorance.
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You do realize that none of those things you mentioned are really creative, right?
Chess is not a creative sport. It's can at it's root level be calculated as to what is a better move, but it is currently too complex for our current computers to calculate with 100% accuracy. Eventually they will, and all possible moves and counter moves have been calculated, the game will be solved. Much like playing tic-tac-toe.
Jeopardy is the same. It just requires more complex processing.
Computers painting and composing music are only doing so based on simulating the works of previous artists. They can't work ever come up with truly different work, just more and more impressive pieces that simulate what an artist might create, but never making that revolutionary step into a new art. A computer may come up with say another bach piece, but it wouldn't come up with rock and roll if it wasn't already created.
Here's another citation for ya: http://blog.nielsen.com/nielsenwire/online_mobile/survey-new-u-s-smartphone-growth-by-age-and-income/
56% of people ages 18-24 making less than $15k/year own smartphones.
43% of people ages 25-34 making less than $15k/year own smartphones.
Why would I need a citation? That's like asking for a citation that the sun is yellow. Open your damn eyes.
But anyway, quick google citation for your assness: http://www.pewinternet.org/Reports/2012/Smartphone-Update-Sept-2012/Findings.aspx
35% of the population with a household income of $30k/year own smartphones.
I don't know where you live that owning either an iPhone or iPad makes you "living like the rich". I never said that. Both are fairly affordable. The iPhone is if you put it on a pay as you go plan, and only use wireless data. Same for the iPad.
That said, I have two friends that are either unemployed or on welfare/social programs. One female, mid 30's, pregnant. Can't afford her own place, so she lives with another friend. Couldn't afford a car, so one of my friends donated/gave her one. She can't afford the medical costs of having a baby, so the state is picking up the tab for it, and... she has an iPhone 4 that she's paying $110/mo for service + the $99 should bought it for.
The second, male, mid 40's, is in a union, unemployed, and works 3 months every 2-3 years, and he also has both an iPhone and iPad.
I also take the train to work every day, and you run into all kinds of varying people there. The poorest (either admittedly, or through appearance), always have either an iPad or iPhone that they are playing on.
Why yes, I have actually. Perhaps your neighborhood is different than mine, but that is how it is in Chicago.
Perhaps you should ask the guy who only wanted to build buggy whips when the car was invented.
Robots can't be creative, at least not yet. Either through coming up with new ideas, new directions, and art.
In the past, inventions aided humans, not replaced them.
That's not true. Inventions have been replacing humans for a very very long time. The steam engine and railroads replaced the couriers (ala pony express). The assembly line replaced manufacturing workers (not all of them, just a large portion). Email has been replacing postmen. Computers have been replacing people since their invention (whole accounting offices reduced by 90%), business analysts reduced by 50%, etc.
In almost every case, people have screamed that the end was coming because of it. People adapted at a much faster rate than they needed to (usually except the ones who were screaming the loudest).
How many cheap iphones can a jobless person purchase?
Have you seen the unemployment and welfare lines? They all have them. Go down to the poorest neighborhoods in a major city, and you'll see out of work people sitting on their porches playing words with friends on their iPads.
Does that answer your question?
Assembly line workers are the US middle class? Since when? Oh, since all the American companies have been going bankrupt. Silly me.
You mean the button that both the same icon and the same location as all the major browsers out there, that also coincidentally don't the word back on it?
Oh, and the same for Pandora One on iOS. iOS mail, button top left takes you back. Also video library.
Man, what a terrible design, they should come up with something completely new that no one else uses, like removing the button, and having you twirl your finger clockwise once then counterclock wise twice and then a double tap. That would be so much better.
Which Core 2 Duo do you have, because I'd be surprised if a E6850 slightly overclocked couldn't handle the vast majority of the latest games just fine, and the E6850 came out 5.5 years ago, and wasn't very expensive when it was released ($260). Of course, the quads were also available at that time, like the Q6600 and Q6700, not to mention the X6800 which is 6.5 years old.
Sounds like you got a 5-6 year old bargain PC and coupled it with a $80 video card ($80 at release!). I'm not surprised you are having some serious performance issues in games today.
Sure, define non-trivial.
Would you like some that I did in C#, C++, C, VB6, or 80386 assembly (My own written from the ground up protected mode OS)?
Where would you like it, and where can I send the bill for my time to strip out any confidential, trade secret, and/or private section?
OEM's were prohibited ... putting any other alternative browsers under threat of losing their Windows distribution licenses for Windows 95
That is not correct. See the following, where the bolding is mine.
24. Fourth, Microsoft has misused, and continues to misuse, its Windows operating system monopoly by requiring PC OEMs to agree, as a condition of acquiring a license to the Windows operating system, to adopt the uniform "boot-up" sequence and "desktop" screen specified by Microsoft. This sequence determines the screens that every user sees upon turning on a Windows PC. Microsoft's exclusionary restrictions forbid, among other things, any changes by an OEM that would remove from the PC any part of Microsoft's Internet Explorer software (or any other Microsoft-dictated software) or that would add to the PC a competing browser (or other competing software) in any more prominent or visible way (including by highlighting as part of the startup sequence or by more prominent placement on the desktop screen) than the way Microsoft requires Internet Explorer to be presented.
They could add any competing browser they wanted, but they had to make IE as prominent as it. So an icon on the desktop to launch a ballot screen asking which browser you wanted to use would have been acceptable then.
And the point is invalid because:
1) I don't put the same weight on posting perfect English on slashdot as I do writing actual code.
2) Slashdot does not have an edit button. My code editors do.
2) While I am pretty good at the English language, it's not in my field. So, while I should not be taking a job as an English teacher, that says absolutely nothing about how I program. Oh, I am also very bad at drawing and coordinating colors. All of which has nothing to do with my ability to do my job.
3) You are correct that mistakes happen, however, in programming we have things like editors with grammar checking, debuggers with step tracing and watch windows, unit tests, best practices, and design.
4) Multithreaded programming isn't a difficult concept. In most cases it isn't difficult to implement.
Art is a process by an artist to convey a message or an emotion through some kind of medium for a given public.
Nope. Art doesn't necessarily have to convey anything. Nor does it necessarily have to be for a given public. Art isn't necessarily a process either. So all you've said is the guy who made something considered art could be called an artist. Everything else is wrong. But nice try.
A small quote from Stanford, which I will for this conversation consider a higher authority than random internet guy who likes to call people names:
Whether art can be defined has also been a matter of controversy. The philosophical usefulness of a definition of art has also been debated.
Perhaps you need to attend a better school, go back to one, or ask your school for a refund.
You sir, are an asshat. You are probably referring to the visual arts, however, almost anything can be considered art by definition depending on the observers opinion. Telling someone to shut up is not only rude, but shows your ignorance when someone points out something that you choose to ignore out of ignorance.
for a reasonable price
Please define this. I expect a long thread of counter posts to yours to ensue.
There is no clear evidence that prostitution has made any women more lonely either. Your point?
Anything can be considered Art.
Knowing the government, they'd prob opt for a full 192kbps since we would be paying the bill for it.
Your math is a little off, it'd be closer to ~131MB per year, assuming they are using the FS-1015 codec (800bits/sec).
800*3600*365/8=131MB
He's also using the gmail infrastructure. He's just using a different interface/front end than most/many people do.
The web front end to Gmail (the default one supplied by google) is not all there is to Gmail, it is one front end of many that can be used with it.
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