my grandma is using linux all-day, i never needed to put a cd other than the install cd into the drive. add/remove programs does everything not just remove, no hw issues (no crappy hardware at all, certainly;)
linux is geeky in some areas, but if you are a power user, you must learn ITS quirks and tricks THE SAME WAY YOU LEARN WINDOWS' ONES. it's an other world, your 10 years of windows practice means nothing for linux. clever people can learn a second operating system that serves them better. i'm playing on windows, working on linux. what's the problem?:)
this whole flame is about highlighting issues in other's operating system. linux has it's strengths (on desktop too) and windows too.
I'm hungarian, and i have a different point of view. Hungary is not a rich country. Teachers and and people work in hospitals and medical areas earn so badly that it's a political ground of battle every day here. Lot of really talented people think they have to work as managers, etc to earn enough to have a good life. The problem can be seen if i say people here spend 50% of their salary just for food if they don't want to buy the cheapest crap in average.:)
If you present a low prize, it has really great value here. Not to mention the more more poor countries. It can significantly change a life of a talented scientist if he earns a prize. It's not about gold-hunting but it's about your -chance- to earn something for your hard and successful work in science. I see a lot of world-class professors here in 20 years old pullovers:) There's a chance they can buy an other:) It's far better to give away prizes for good specified successes than to fund those scientists that we can watch on discovery and idiot "science" new reports in news.
Sometimes i think about this p2p stuff and to be honest the biggest part of this is about sharing illegal copies. ThePirateBay showed us it's not possible to stop this illegal activity. They have to find some way to get their money. Thats the way. In Hungary where i live it's 10-15% tax on the writable cds and even flashcards for your camera. But hungarian artists really get some of the money, and they are happy. I'm not telling that it's okay, ahh, noo. But the way ThePirateBay laughed to the face of the law... it's screaming for new antidemocratic laws that no one wants but the music industry for example. That way isn't the good way either. Torrent downloading is banned at my university but torrent is not bad but everyone used that for illegal activity. They cannot be stopped. What to do? Ban the tool that helps you to break the law. Force some antidemocratic bills to protect the law. No other way that this can be regulated.
All true. Maybe i should have stressed more that it's about the usual lazyness i've mentioned. Most programmers don't bother to do long-run high optimizations if it lasts long. Java has built-in optimizer, and i run lots of java codes, and it performs much better than other interpreted languaged, like php for example.
You are right about the language disadvantages, but java has more opportunities because of this single lack of feature - it can much more easily code-transformed than other languages, for example c++. C++ may be "much more customizable" code, but it cannot be handled with the same ease as java. I don't like programmink c++, but I love programming java. There are tremendous amount of java fans out there, kind of fortune?:) No, it's because the tools developed to work with it. In the past 5 years, really good FREE tools emerged to help java developers, and C++ is far more from that, that's my feeling.
The real point is, that java is not so much slower than any other language. I can say that. Maybe other programs can be faster, but not much faster than 5-10 years ago.
The real thing with the Java JIT compiler based runtimes is the optimization it does while it's running the code. Interpreted languages are 10 times slower than natives. -- BUT!!! -- If java runs a code portion more and more times, it makes every time some slight optimizations on it. The more you run a code portion, the more optimized it will be. So, in some seconds or minutes your code will be highly optimized. These places in the code called hotspots.
That's just something that everyone knows for sure. But the real thing is that this JIT compiler can have the time to make some REALLY good optimizations. Think of it:
- you have 2500.java files:
- it compiles in eclipse in ~ 1 minute.
- some slow startup
- you have 2500.cpp files (you should have more because java is a bit "higher" level)
- it compiles in ages with for example -O2 optimization
- have faster startup But you can see, java is unoptimized C++ code is optimized.... Ehe. In the start:) You run the java code with the JIT runtime, it optimizes the hotspots even to -O7 in some matter of minutes, if it's able to (implemented, option switched on etc.). So, at the end, your JAVA CODE RUNS FASTER!* (*=after some running) Yes, you can -O7 your cpp builds, but it will last hours or days to compile a relatively small program, so you won't do it because you are lazy:) Yeees, you are:P
if wikipedia have a search capability that finds results from older revisions too, it wont't be a good step just edit and clear some information about something that hurts you. Everyone can see what you have done, not only if he digs in the revisions. Then, you will think twice what you edit and what not because it's a mark what you don't want others to know. And as previously stated, it's a really important information itself!
Slashdot Mirror
pull your head out of your *ss.
;)
:)
my grandma is using linux all-day, i never needed to put a cd other than the install cd into the drive. add/remove programs does everything not just remove, no hw issues (no crappy hardware at all, certainly
linux is geeky in some areas, but if you are a power user, you must learn ITS quirks and tricks THE SAME WAY YOU LEARN WINDOWS' ONES. it's an other world, your 10 years of windows practice means nothing for linux. clever people can learn a second operating system that serves them better. i'm playing on windows, working on linux. what's the problem?
this whole flame is about highlighting issues in other's operating system. linux has it's strengths (on desktop too) and windows too.
I think it was a long known fact, i've seen on TV 10+ years before, maybe in Attenborough's Birds series.
Scrap it, and let's go explore our solar system with humans. This station is just wasting money.
Maybe the salaries are raised by 11% *because of* the dissatisfaction - anyway, who can maintain a business in a long term with dissatisfied IT? ;)
No! :)
I'm laughing for long minutes!
Let's make slashdot useless for one day!
I'm hungarian, and i have a different point of view. Hungary is not a rich country. Teachers and and people work in hospitals and medical areas earn so badly that it's a political ground of battle every day here. Lot of really talented people think they have to work as managers, etc to earn enough to have a good life. The problem can be seen if i say people here spend 50% of their salary just for food if they don't want to buy the cheapest crap in average. :)
:) There's a chance they can buy an other :) It's far better to give away prizes for good specified successes than to fund those scientists that we can watch on discovery and idiot "science" new reports in news.
If you present a low prize, it has really great value here. Not to mention the more more poor countries. It can significantly change a life of a talented scientist if he earns a prize. It's not about gold-hunting but it's about your -chance- to earn something for your hard and successful work in science. I see a lot of world-class professors here in 20 years old pullovers
Sometimes i think about this p2p stuff and to be honest the biggest part of this is about sharing illegal copies. ThePirateBay showed us it's not possible to stop this illegal activity. They have to find some way to get their money. Thats the way. In Hungary where i live it's 10-15% tax on the writable cds and even flashcards for your camera. But hungarian artists really get some of the money, and they are happy.
I'm not telling that it's okay, ahh, noo. But the way ThePirateBay laughed to the face of the law... it's screaming for new antidemocratic laws that no one wants but the music industry for example. That way isn't the good way either.
Torrent downloading is banned at my university but torrent is not bad but everyone used that for illegal activity. They cannot be stopped. What to do? Ban the tool that helps you to break the law. Force some antidemocratic bills to protect the law. No other way that this can be regulated.
All true. Maybe i should have stressed more that it's about the usual lazyness i've mentioned. Most programmers don't bother to do long-run high optimizations if it lasts long. Java has built-in optimizer, and i run lots of java codes, and it performs much better than other interpreted languaged, like php for example.
:) No, it's because the tools developed to work with it. In the past 5 years, really good FREE tools emerged to help java developers, and C++ is far more from that, that's my feeling.
You are right about the language disadvantages, but java has more opportunities because of this single lack of feature - it can much more easily code-transformed than other languages, for example c++. C++ may be "much more customizable" code, but it cannot be handled with the same ease as java. I don't like programmink c++, but I love programming java. There are tremendous amount of java fans out there, kind of fortune?
The real point is, that java is not so much slower than any other language. I can say that. Maybe other programs can be faster, but not much faster than 5-10 years ago.
The real thing with the Java JIT compiler based runtimes is the optimization it does while it's running the code.
.java files: .cpp files (you should have more because java is a bit "higher" level) ... :) :) Yeees, you are :P
Interpreted languages are 10 times slower than natives.
-- BUT!!! --
If java runs a code portion more and more times, it makes every time some slight optimizations on it. The more you run a code portion, the more optimized it will be. So, in some seconds or minutes your code will be highly optimized. These places in the code called hotspots.
That's just something that everyone knows for sure. But the real thing is that this JIT compiler can have the time to make some REALLY good optimizations. Think of it:
- you have 2500
- it compiles in eclipse in ~ 1 minute.
- some slow startup
- you have 2500
- it compiles in ages with for example -O2 optimization
- have faster startup
But you can see, java is unoptimized C++ code is optimized.
Ehe. In the start
You run the java code with the JIT runtime, it optimizes the hotspots even to -O7 in some matter of minutes, if it's able to (implemented, option switched on etc.). So, at the end, your JAVA CODE RUNS FASTER!* (*=after some running)
Yes, you can -O7 your cpp builds, but it will last hours or days to compile a relatively small program, so you won't do it because you are lazy
if wikipedia have a search capability that finds results from older revisions too, it wont't be a good step just edit and clear some information about something that hurts you. Everyone can see what you have done, not only if he digs in the revisions. Then, you will think twice what you edit and what not because it's a mark what you don't want others to know. And as previously stated, it's a really important information itself!
How good it would be, if only 5 hours a day... in Germany, the AVERAGE has passed the 8 hours... :/