I view people who call Macs non PC's as the same way, I understand them just fine, I just do not think they are using the proper terms is all. By strict definition, they're not. A Mac is indeed a personal computer, just not, until recently, one capable of running a Windows OS.
Just an observation: You're saying 'personal computer' here, and not PC. It really is a branding discussion no matter which way you slice it.
My Apple IIe was a PC, so was my Commodore 64.
This is not inconsistent with what anything I have said.
With that being said, I would also consider it as rude to correct someone on this, just like I think its rude to correct someones grammar in casual conversation.
It's more rude than correcting someone's grammar. The fear of English mutating away from its established rules is not unfounded. The PC vs. pc debate, if it really needed to be fought, really needed to be fought at least 10 years ago. By today it's something that even Commander Data would roll his eyes at.
If that was something I cared about, you would probably see me quote my own posts in my signature.
Mmm hmm. Swing-and-a-miss.
I don't go around referring to my computer as a "tower", I don't refer to all soft drinks as "a Coke", and when I'm talking about a particular operating system I just name it instead of using ambiguous terms.
No, instead you feign ignorance in an attempt to win a debate that, by this time in 2011, would only happen on Slashdot. Nah, you don't care about the word 'Insightful' at all. Seriously, who do you think you're kidding?
My goal has nothing to do with karma on Slashdot...
Didn't say Karma, I said the word Insightful next to your post.
That still doesn't mean that it's incorrect to refer to a Mac as a PC.
Read what started the thread.
How much longer did you want to argue about this?
If you are happy being perpetually confused by Slashdot stories or not being able to communicate clearly with people on the topic, you're free to not click 'reply'.
"A computer that is personal".. that's the same thing as a personal computer.
"Personal Computer" != "personal computer".
So a Mac is, in fact, a personal computer. So it's not incorrect to refer to one as a PC, if you're into the whole brevity thing.
"Incorrect" != "People understanding what you mean."
You're right, I'm not ignorant, I just don't base my definitions on marketing drivel, thank you very much.
Didn't check the second link, didja? In any event, you're right, you're not basing it on marketing drivel, you're trying to use literalism to get the word 'Insightful' to appear next to your post.
It is a computer that is personal, not a Personal Computer.
Also, why does the definition of what a Mac is relate to how long someone has been in a coma?
This has been going on since the time of the 100% IBM Clone, somewhere around 20 years ago when nobody was buying Atari STs anymore and Amigas were starting to show their age. When you talk to any person on the planet today, and you say PC, you are saying 'Windows machine". It's like if somebody from the 1920's suddenly appeared today and said "I went on a picnic with my father. We had a gay time gobbling wieners!", the first thing you'd hear is not what he was intending to say.
I know you and the dumb-shits wasting mod-points on this conversation are not this ignorant. "UHhhe derrrrr I've never heard of Mac and a PC being considered different machines. Duhhhh" You're way too late to try to reclaim that name.
Then there is no difference, since that would, in your words, make FOSS users merely a subset of the people in this world affected by zealotry,
No. You've got FOSS users, and then you've got a small subset of those users, called Zealots, who infested Slashdot and said "Ogg?" over and over again.
I will not repeat what I put in the previous comment since, as above, I now have no confidence in your willingness to stay focused on the discussion topic and feel it would therefore be a complete waste of my time re-iterating it to you.
Right. I think it's more likely you read my original post and realized I was talking about OSS zealots and did not say one word about FOSS users in general. Then you didn't have the class to acknowledge the mistake and decided to run it into the ground.
If you wish to discuss the core topic further, then please re-read my posting, do your best to comprehend what I was saying...
The article isn't about killing streaming, it's about putting the set-top box functionality into the TV. The Slashdot headline, as usual, was misleading.
"In-Stat is questioning whether dedicated streaming media players like the Roku player, Boxee Box, and Google TV boxes will be around for long. The reason, says In-Stat, is that IP-streamed video is becoming a standard feature of TVs and Blu-ray players. Passing fad?
Ummm derr? Streaming video is just software. There is nothing magical about the box that plays these. Of course it'll all end up in one box.
Is he? Try coming to America and going cell phone shopping. You'll see how 'competitive' it is. It's like watching TV and having to pick between ABC, CBS, and the WB.
Slashdot Mirror
"...saying the world's largest software company's long-time leader is stuck in the past."
Heh. Speaking of Steve Ballmer and being stuck in the past, isn't it about time for a flying chair joke?
I tend to think of a "personal computer" and "terminal" as more or less the same, regardless of what hardware is inside them.
Wow. Just... wow.
It isn't an "ask slashdot" or news, and it isn't even useful information. Yeah, you can put old OSes in a virtual machine. So what?
If you were a master in the art of using the question mark, you would be more wise and less assy.
I view people who call Macs non PC's as the same way, I understand them just fine, I just do not think they are using the proper terms is all. By strict definition, they're not. A Mac is indeed a personal computer, just not, until recently, one capable of running a Windows OS.
Just an observation: You're saying 'personal computer' here, and not PC. It really is a branding discussion no matter which way you slice it.
My Apple IIe was a PC, so was my Commodore 64.
This is not inconsistent with what anything I have said.
With that being said, I would also consider it as rude to correct someone on this, just like I think its rude to correct someones grammar in casual conversation.
It's more rude than correcting someone's grammar. The fear of English mutating away from its established rules is not unfounded. The PC vs. pc debate, if it really needed to be fought, really needed to be fought at least 10 years ago. By today it's something that even Commander Data would roll his eyes at.
If that was something I cared about, you would probably see me quote my own posts in my signature.
Mmm hmm. Swing-and-a-miss.
I don't go around referring to my computer as a "tower", I don't refer to all soft drinks as "a Coke", and when I'm talking about a particular operating system I just name it instead of using ambiguous terms.
No, instead you feign ignorance in an attempt to win a debate that, by this time in 2011, would only happen on Slashdot. Nah, you don't care about the word 'Insightful' at all. Seriously, who do you think you're kidding?
My goal has nothing to do with karma on Slashdot...
Didn't say Karma, I said the word Insightful next to your post.
That still doesn't mean that it's incorrect to refer to a Mac as a PC.
Read what started the thread.
How much longer did you want to argue about this?
If you are happy being perpetually confused by Slashdot stories or not being able to communicate clearly with people on the topic, you're free to not click 'reply'.
"A computer that is personal".. that's the same thing as a personal computer.
"Personal Computer" != "personal computer".
So a Mac is, in fact, a personal computer. So it's not incorrect to refer to one as a PC, if you're into the whole brevity thing.
"Incorrect" != "People understanding what you mean."
You're right, I'm not ignorant, I just don't base my definitions on marketing drivel, thank you very much.
Didn't check the second link, didja? In any event, you're right, you're not basing it on marketing drivel, you're trying to use literalism to get the word 'Insightful' to appear next to your post.
Really? A Mac is not a personal computer?
No. it is not.
It is a computer that is personal, not a Personal Computer.
Also, why does the definition of what a Mac is relate to how long someone has been in a coma?
This has been going on since the time of the 100% IBM Clone, somewhere around 20 years ago when nobody was buying Atari STs anymore and Amigas were starting to show their age. When you talk to any person on the planet today, and you say PC, you are saying 'Windows machine". It's like if somebody from the 1920's suddenly appeared today and said "I went on a picnic with my father. We had a gay time gobbling wieners!", the first thing you'd hear is not what he was intending to say.
I know you and the dumb-shits wasting mod-points on this conversation are not this ignorant. "UHhhe derrrrr I've never heard of Mac and a PC being considered different machines. Duhhhh" You're way too late to try to reclaim that name.
Macs *ARE* PCs, numbnuts
Unless you've just woken up from a 20+ year coma, no, they're not.
So... did you learn your lesson about reading comprehension?
Who wants to bet that Microsoft tried to replace the OS of the Skype servers with Windows?
Look at me, I read Slashdot's headlines, I'm well informed on anything Microsoft!
You pestilential excrement of vermin! Oh sorry, you wanted an argument. This is abuse.
But what if it's an honest appraisal? Like, if I say FireFly is overrated, is that an argument or abuse?
So why do you consider someone who touts OGG as a format as being a zealot?
I don't. I was talking about the zealots who, as an example, parrot the phrase about Ogg support.
And moving on to FOSS in general, why do you also have such of an issue with free software?
I have expressed no issues with free software.
Yes, there are zealots in any community of users but please don't imply that everyone who uses FOSS is a zealot.
I haven't.
I dunno about it being a wonder, but it will add +5 Research points for every laboratory you build.
Then there is no difference, since that would, in your words, make FOSS users merely a subset of the people in this world affected by zealotry,
No. You've got FOSS users, and then you've got a small subset of those users, called Zealots, who infested Slashdot and said "Ogg?" over and over again.
I will not repeat what I put in the previous comment since, as above, I now have no confidence in your willingness to stay focused on the discussion topic and feel it would therefore be a complete waste of my time re-iterating it to you.
Right. I think it's more likely you read my original post and realized I was talking about OSS zealots and did not say one word about FOSS users in general. Then you didn't have the class to acknowledge the mistake and decided to run it into the ground.
If you wish to discuss the core topic further, then please re-read my posting, do your best to comprehend what I was saying...
You first.
You've got a good point. Although a manufacturer opting to take that risk will have a major talking point over the TVs theirs is sharing a shelf with.
No, you made a sweeping statement tarring everyone who uses FOSS as suffering from "zealotry".
Wrong, I sweepingly referred to zealotry.
I say that is not the case and have demonstrated clearly why.
No, you demonstrated clearly that reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
The article isn't about killing streaming, it's about putting the set-top box functionality into the TV. The Slashdot headline, as usual, was misleading.
Unless you flipped the names around. If Apple copied Samsung I'd make a mint selling torches and pitchforks.
YES. WE. ARE!!!!!
Nuh uh. I've been reading all of the slashdot headlines on this topic and that makes me well informed, so you are wrong!
"In-Stat is questioning whether dedicated streaming media players like the Roku player, Boxee Box, and Google TV boxes will be around for long. The reason, says In-Stat, is that IP-streamed video is becoming a standard feature of TVs and Blu-ray players. Passing fad?
Ummm derr? Streaming video is just software. There is nothing magical about the box that plays these. Of course it'll all end up in one box.
How much Apple is paying for the subdomain has not yet been determined.
Zero. Go to Apple.slashdot.org, look at the number of comments for each story, and you'll see why.
We're not here to learn, we're here to argue. Slashdot is a game, not a news site.
Or perhaps that was known but "Court Counsel to Judge Samsung Prototypes" just doesn't boil up the anti-Apple blood like the current headline does?
Welp, this is an ad-supported site.
Is he? Try coming to America and going cell phone shopping. You'll see how 'competitive' it is. It's like watching TV and having to pick between ABC, CBS, and the WB.