Okie doke, with you so far. So what happens when the desperation to have any income at all, even if insufficient, means those jobs get filled and the prices never end up rising?
Although I agree that these speeds are horribly disproportionate to current data rates from these carriers, I wanted to ask about this:
Fail to pay attention for a few minutes and run up a bill of thousands of dollars.
How does that actually happen with a smart phone? I mean it's not like you're going to download ISOs to your phone and even though Netflix is a data hog, you're still capped at the speed it takes to watch the video in real time. Honestly I'm not even sure how I'd make my phone eat up 10 gigs on purpose, let alone by accident.
Okay, so we've established that, for example, McDonalds and Wendys restaurants exist in San Fransisco. If they're undeserving of wages that cover things like rent, how do you propose they be manned?
Just out of curiosity: Are you under the impression that SF, for example, doesn't have fast food or other predominantly low-wage services within their high-rent area?
I think you're over-complicating it. Right now this is about people not making enough to pay for their living expenses, meaning they end up on gov't assistance. You're going well outside of that scope.
There is no slippery slope, here. It's a problem that is going to be solved one way or another. Either the wages do go up or these services just won't be available in those areas. It'll peeter out once it's no longer an issue of needing gov't assistance.
Then, what about when they can't budget for shit, owe money due to past choices, and have mental problems that might include things like addiction but aren't so pressing as to require isolation and protection from themselves?
I think I'm misunderstanding something here, why are you concerned with this?
Do they get an apartment to themselves, a game console, a phone with data, broadband, a car, a computer, a couple of reasonable hobbies, a meaningful social life, and without any compromises along the way?
At least enough to cover rent, food, transportation to the job, and communications whether that be cell phone or landline or whatever. If you require an equation then it wouldn't have to be much more intricate than coming up with a number based on apartment rent in the area, transportation, food, and internet/phone and starting with that as a number.
I know that as someone who purchases fast food a little too often I don't want prices so low that the people prepping my food are killing themselves just to keep their head above water. I actually go to a more expensive fast food place because of that.
Not all labor is equal. Should it be a living wage to work as a fry cook? Should it be a living wage to work in a convenience store?
Yes. If you're highly paid person in San Fransisco and you expect to have a fry cook make you food or a convenience store clerk serve you a Slushee, then you also have to expect that those places are manned because it's worth the while of those providing the service to you. They're not going to drive two-hours one way to get to their reasonably-priced living accommodations.
There is no reason, especially in the circumstances of rent inflation due to a concentration of highly paid people, why you should have to exploit people to get your low-priced burgers or Slim Jims.
Hmm I smell desperation from the apple camp.. Just admit, abide, and stand aside. ANDROID IS HERE is this in reaction to the notion that android is #1 in the env..
I totally think this is posturing by the FBI. It's just too convenient that we're talking about this not two weeks after the proposed sales ban on encrypted phones in NY.
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Okie doke, with you so far. So what happens when the desperation to have any income at all, even if insufficient, means those jobs get filled and the prices never end up rising?
What happens when that distance gets so far it's impractical?
Although I agree that these speeds are horribly disproportionate to current data rates from these carriers, I wanted to ask about this:
Fail to pay attention for a few minutes and run up a bill of thousands of dollars.
How does that actually happen with a smart phone? I mean it's not like you're going to download ISOs to your phone and even though Netflix is a data hog, you're still capped at the speed it takes to watch the video in real time. Honestly I'm not even sure how I'd make my phone eat up 10 gigs on purpose, let alone by accident.
Ah. So what happens when that's impractical because the rent is too high even when having a room mate? That's happening in my not-SF area of town.
Okay, so we've established that, for example, McDonalds and Wendys restaurants exist in San Fransisco. If they're undeserving of wages that cover things like rent, how do you propose they be manned?
Ah... elitism, got it.
So why are you in this thread, then?
High School students are in class while these restraunts are open. So... no, there aren't enough.
I haven't made a point yet, still trying to understand yours. Couldja answer my question?
Just out of curiosity: Are you under the impression that SF, for example, doesn't have fast food or other predominantly low-wage services within their high-rent area?
Err... where did the 'hicks and rednecks' come from? I really don't understand your post.
I think you're over-complicating it. Right now this is about people not making enough to pay for their living expenses, meaning they end up on gov't assistance. You're going well outside of that scope.
There is no slippery slope, here. It's a problem that is going to be solved one way or another. Either the wages do go up or these services just won't be available in those areas. It'll peeter out once it's no longer an issue of needing gov't assistance.
Then, what about when they can't budget for shit, owe money due to past choices, and have mental problems that might include things like addiction but aren't so pressing as to require isolation and protection from themselves?
I think I'm misunderstanding something here, why are you concerned with this?
Do they get an apartment to themselves, a game console, a phone with data, broadband, a car, a computer, a couple of reasonable hobbies, a meaningful social life, and without any compromises along the way?
At least enough to cover rent, food, transportation to the job, and communications whether that be cell phone or landline or whatever. If you require an equation then it wouldn't have to be much more intricate than coming up with a number based on apartment rent in the area, transportation, food, and internet/phone and starting with that as a number.
I know that as someone who purchases fast food a little too often I don't want prices so low that the people prepping my food are killing themselves just to keep their head above water. I actually go to a more expensive fast food place because of that.
Not all labor is equal. Should it be a living wage to work as a fry cook? Should it be a living wage to work in a convenience store?
Yes. If you're highly paid person in San Fransisco and you expect to have a fry cook make you food or a convenience store clerk serve you a Slushee, then you also have to expect that those places are manned because it's worth the while of those providing the service to you. They're not going to drive two-hours one way to get to their reasonably-priced living accommodations.
There is no reason, especially in the circumstances of rent inflation due to a concentration of highly paid people, why you should have to exploit people to get your low-priced burgers or Slim Jims.
Hmm I smell desperation from the apple camp..
Just admit, abide, and stand aside. ANDROID IS HERE
is this in reaction to the notion that android is #1 in the env..
Fandroids are weird.
You're pretty sure because you've looked at the wording in the patents?
Online voting has been around forever.
They're not patenting "online voting", they've submitted a patent for a particular approach to online voting.
This would be great for voting down stupid patents.
Why? People around here don't even use Google to find out what patents actually are!
I'd love to hear a good reason for why my comment was modded down.
There were no lawsuits in the 90's involving the sharing of copyrighted gifs. I realize it's cool to hate Twitter, but you don't have a point here.
Err I meant 'covering'... I guess even subconsciously I associate Slashdot with dupes.
Is it just me or has Slashdot been recovering news in a timely fashion lately?
This opinion is all great until someone hurts someone in your family. Then lets see how much you want to honor their privacy...
I love how this comment was posted by an anonymous coward.
I totally think this is posturing by the FBI. It's just too convenient that we're talking about this not two weeks after the proposed sales ban on encrypted phones in NY.