The problem is we are teaching children that hypocrisy is ok?
I'm sorry, man, I just don't see where you're coming from here. I mean, I understand the intent, but I cannot picture a kid going "man, that's hypocracy for you." I can either see a kid saying "wow, that sucked." Or "wow, volunteering was kinda fun. It's not the same as labor at all!"
Other than that, my problem is you can't force a child to learn voluntarism, by MAKING them volunteer for stuff. Mandatory voluntarism is an oxymoron.
The whole point of school is to expose a child to stuff so they can decide what they want to do. This really isn't any different.
I suppose this is an un-settable letter-of-the-law vs. the spirit-of-the-law sort of debate. Well, my intention isn't to be 'right', here. I just would hate to see your children miss an opportunity for that reason. I was surprised when I decided to do some volunteer work, wish I had been exposed to it earlier in life so I wouldn't have written it off for the frivilous reasons I used.
Not all school curriculums require community service. Personally, I find service-based education to be hypocritical, because: a) education is mandatory (in the US), and b) requiring voluntarism really negates the entire notion of voluntarism. If you are volunteering to do something, but are only doing so because you are forced to, it really isn't volunteering anymore now is it?
For the last three years I've volunteered for the One Voice event in Los Angeles. Basically, around Christmas-time, hundreds of boxes of food are packaged up and delivered to needy families around the city. They count on volunteer efforts to do the actual pacaking and loading up of the trucks. Every year that I've done this, I've watched the number of volunteers grow significantly. I don't know the actual numbers, but I'd swear last time had double the number of people the first time I went did.
Anyway, I've overheard a few conversations about how some of those people landed there. Quite a few of them were doing it for school credit. From what I've gathered, they picked One Voice over other options. (In other words, they weren't shanghai'd like you've implied.) A lot of them I saw returned from doing it the previous year. (Sounds more and more voluntary, mmm?)
In case it's not clear here, I don't agree with what you've said about it defeating the purpose of volunteering. Even if they were dragged down in handcuffs, the truth is, they're likely to say no until they have a good idea of what it is they're volunteering for. These kids are being shown that volunteering to help out charity isn't automatically un-fun. In the case of One Voice, they're also seeing the needy people they're helping in person. I don't think these students are going against their will, but even if they were, there's still a net good being done. They're helping the community and they're seeing first hand that it's actually kinda fun to do, certainly more meaningful than the time they were gonna spend on the couch or in front of their computer.
Service-based education is a waste of my child's time. I don't need a community to teach my child what its standards are through forced labor, thanks.
And the schools will charge the printing costs to the California Government, costing $360 million. Problem solved.
Okay, but what about the old way? What if a flaming meteorite hits the warehouses where all the books are stored and burns them? Imagine the cost then!!
Yup, "homebrew" has become the new "backup copy" as a euphemism for "pirated games". Pretty much anytime someone says something like "but how will I run my homebrew" or "what about my right to run backup copies", they really mean "pirated games".
It sort of annoys me, because the intellectual dishonesty is so blatant. Especially when I see someone complaining that they can't make (and especially run) a backup copy of something like a DS game.
Pardon, why is wanting to play a backup copy of a DS game an automatic admission of piracy? Have you looked around lately? Haven't you noticed how platforms like the Wii have multiple games on the console without needing to change discs? Has the DSi and the PSP Go blown right by you?
Ordinarily I might have been with you on assuming that 'backup copy' was a euphimism for 'not-paid-for-copy'. That was until I bumped into a couple of friends of mine that were tinkering with their hacked PSPs trying to get ISO's to run. Blatant pirates, right? Nope. The ISOs were coming from their own discs. The reason they wanted them to run is that they were able to compress them and put 10+ games on their memory stick. The games loaded faster, used less battery, and made the machine a lot more convenient because it didn't require carrying around a little pouch with a bunch of UMDs in it.
The little bit about having multiple games on the memory card is what sold me. Now my PSP is hacked and has several ISOs on it, none of them acquired without purchase. I already have a DS and plenty of games, but you can bet I'll be getting a DSi once Nintendo's app store starts looking like the Wii's.
Maybe all these people really are talking about acquiring games without paying. I couldn't tell you. But I cannot say I go along with your assumption that one automatically means another. Both Nintendo and Sony have come to realize that people want to store the games on their machines. That's why the Wii, DSi, and PSP Go are designed the way they are. People have seen this future of gaming for years, they beat Nintendo and Sony to the punch. That doesn't make them criminals.
Someone needs to do a randomized test where they take N music consumers and split them into two groups: one that gets a $20 allowance (no strings attached), and another that gets a $20 allowance contingent on an enforceable pledge not to download music. Perhaps they could even expand the pledge a bit to disguise the intention of the study... At the end of a period of time, count up the value of purchases made, and tell us whether there was a statistically different measurement.
I'd be more intersted in this study if Apple hadn't sold >100 million songs on iTunes.
Then again, I work with something like 20 people who all make good money and all know how to go find stuff (music, movies, games, etc) and 'consume' it rather easily. Of those 20, only one I know does it because he's actively trying not to spend money.
I'm already convinced by my anecdotal experience and the utter and complete lack of proof of the alledged damages being done. It's hard to take the RIAA seriously when they claim 2 billion songs are traded a month then report record earnings two months later. Show me the damages, then let's get into the 'where does the money go?' studies.
That is such incredible BS. Disregarding the heightened awareness of airport personnel and stricter rules for metal detection, body pat downs, and newer equipment, what about air marshals?
Not to mention that it would have been crazy to attempt a hijacking after that. As soon as you made a move *bam* a sea of people would have sat on you.
Heightened state of alert. It's not just for passengers, it's for corruptible PA's, too.
But thanks to the Apple Patented Reality Distortion Field, this 30" OLED display only requires the same space as the current generation iPhone's screen!
But thanks to the Naysayers Open Source version of teh Reality Distortion field, Apple's 30" OLED display is 100% useless to 100% of the world because it doesn't have an analog VGA port.
Of course, if you read the Slashdot comments, you knew that Microsoft had already fixed it, since the comments are always about 10 times more on-the-ball than the actual posts.
Unfortunately you have to dig all the way back to 2005 to understand the +5 flying chair jokes.
If that was what they were doing why do they never say that? It's always about preventing the "murder" of an undifferentiated ball of cells.
Because words like 'murder' punctuate the point and make it easier to get their message out. It's sort of like how Palin tried to attach the word 'terrorist' to Obama, and sadly, with some success.
They don't like abortion to begin with. If abortions start saving lives, they fear that it becomes a 'pro', thus making it harder to outlaw.
I'll admit, though, that I am guilty of generalizing.
The way I phrased it is the ultimate consequences of their actions. Ban their use for research and they get thrown out.
It attributed the wrong intention to their actions in order to make them look silly.
Yep, it's amusing that they'd rather have the embryos thrown away in the garbage or incinerated rather than be used to actually further medical science.
They're trying to prevent dead fetuses from developing monetary value. Though I agree that they're not listening to reason, I wouldn't quite phrase it the way you did.
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Those mods are risking that guy losing more than a point of karma by changing the tone of his post. They need to quit doing that.
Are you telling me this works without an internet connection?!
Correct. The ethernet peripheral that's required uses 80's sub-etha technology.
"Nerds that never get laid"
At least we know there'll never be a Nerds that Never get Laid TNG.
You CAN mod and comment. When you make the comment, the mods you made go away.
Oh brother. Lucky for you I can comment but not mod.
Me neither. But I'm not familiar with the Minnesota statute and caselaw.
So... YANAML?
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The problem is we are teaching children that hypocrisy is ok?
I'm sorry, man, I just don't see where you're coming from here. I mean, I understand the intent, but I cannot picture a kid going "man, that's hypocracy for you." I can either see a kid saying "wow, that sucked." Or "wow, volunteering was kinda fun. It's not the same as labor at all!"
Other than that, my problem is you can't force a child to learn voluntarism, by MAKING them volunteer for stuff. Mandatory voluntarism is an oxymoron.
The whole point of school is to expose a child to stuff so they can decide what they want to do. This really isn't any different.
I suppose this is an un-settable letter-of-the-law vs. the spirit-of-the-law sort of debate. Well, my intention isn't to be 'right', here. I just would hate to see your children miss an opportunity for that reason. I was surprised when I decided to do some volunteer work, wish I had been exposed to it earlier in life so I wouldn't have written it off for the frivilous reasons I used.
I'm not sayin' Outlook's much better, but still...
I will. It goes over better if you remind people that Outlook has no relation to Outlook Express.
What exactly is the problem with it? You mentioned hypocriscy before. Okay, but what's the problem?
Not all school curriculums require community service. Personally, I find service-based education to be hypocritical, because: a) education is mandatory (in the US), and b) requiring voluntarism really negates the entire notion of voluntarism. If you are volunteering to do something, but are only doing so because you are forced to, it really isn't volunteering anymore now is it?
For the last three years I've volunteered for the One Voice event in Los Angeles. Basically, around Christmas-time, hundreds of boxes of food are packaged up and delivered to needy families around the city. They count on volunteer efforts to do the actual pacaking and loading up of the trucks. Every year that I've done this, I've watched the number of volunteers grow significantly. I don't know the actual numbers, but I'd swear last time had double the number of people the first time I went did.
Anyway, I've overheard a few conversations about how some of those people landed there. Quite a few of them were doing it for school credit. From what I've gathered, they picked One Voice over other options. (In other words, they weren't shanghai'd like you've implied.) A lot of them I saw returned from doing it the previous year. (Sounds more and more voluntary, mmm?)
In case it's not clear here, I don't agree with what you've said about it defeating the purpose of volunteering. Even if they were dragged down in handcuffs, the truth is, they're likely to say no until they have a good idea of what it is they're volunteering for. These kids are being shown that volunteering to help out charity isn't automatically un-fun. In the case of One Voice, they're also seeing the needy people they're helping in person. I don't think these students are going against their will, but even if they were, there's still a net good being done. They're helping the community and they're seeing first hand that it's actually kinda fun to do, certainly more meaningful than the time they were gonna spend on the couch or in front of their computer.
Service-based education is a waste of my child's time. I don't need a community to teach my child what its standards are through forced labor, thanks.
Try speaking from experience instead of theory.
And the schools will charge the printing costs to the California Government, costing $360 million. Problem solved.
Okay, but what about the old way? What if a flaming meteorite hits the warehouses where all the books are stored and burns them? Imagine the cost then!!
Yup, "homebrew" has become the new "backup copy" as a euphemism for "pirated games". Pretty much anytime someone says something like "but how will I run my homebrew" or "what about my right to run backup copies", they really mean "pirated games".
It sort of annoys me, because the intellectual dishonesty is so blatant. Especially when I see someone complaining that they can't make (and especially run) a backup copy of something like a DS game.
Pardon, why is wanting to play a backup copy of a DS game an automatic admission of piracy? Have you looked around lately? Haven't you noticed how platforms like the Wii have multiple games on the console without needing to change discs? Has the DSi and the PSP Go blown right by you?
Ordinarily I might have been with you on assuming that 'backup copy' was a euphimism for 'not-paid-for-copy'. That was until I bumped into a couple of friends of mine that were tinkering with their hacked PSPs trying to get ISO's to run. Blatant pirates, right? Nope. The ISOs were coming from their own discs. The reason they wanted them to run is that they were able to compress them and put 10+ games on their memory stick. The games loaded faster, used less battery, and made the machine a lot more convenient because it didn't require carrying around a little pouch with a bunch of UMDs in it.
The little bit about having multiple games on the memory card is what sold me. Now my PSP is hacked and has several ISOs on it, none of them acquired without purchase. I already have a DS and plenty of games, but you can bet I'll be getting a DSi once Nintendo's app store starts looking like the Wii's.
Maybe all these people really are talking about acquiring games without paying. I couldn't tell you. But I cannot say I go along with your assumption that one automatically means another. Both Nintendo and Sony have come to realize that people want to store the games on their machines. That's why the Wii, DSi, and PSP Go are designed the way they are. People have seen this future of gaming for years, they beat Nintendo and Sony to the punch. That doesn't make them criminals.
Someone needs to do a randomized test where they take N music consumers and split them into two groups: one that gets a $20 allowance (no strings attached), and another that gets a $20 allowance contingent on an enforceable pledge not to download music. Perhaps they could even expand the pledge a bit to disguise the intention of the study... At the end of a period of time, count up the value of purchases made, and tell us whether there was a statistically different measurement.
I'd be more intersted in this study if Apple hadn't sold >100 million songs on iTunes.
Then again, I work with something like 20 people who all make good money and all know how to go find stuff (music, movies, games, etc) and 'consume' it rather easily. Of those 20, only one I know does it because he's actively trying not to spend money.
I'm already convinced by my anecdotal experience and the utter and complete lack of proof of the alledged damages being done. It's hard to take the RIAA seriously when they claim 2 billion songs are traded a month then report record earnings two months later. Show me the damages, then let's get into the 'where does the money go?' studies.
So don't by anything with DRM.
Won't work.
That is such incredible BS. Disregarding the heightened awareness of airport personnel and stricter rules for metal detection, body pat downs, and newer equipment, what about air marshals?
Not to mention that it would have been crazy to attempt a hijacking after that. As soon as you made a move *bam* a sea of people would have sat on you.
Heightened state of alert. It's not just for passengers, it's for corruptible PA's, too.
But thanks to the Apple Patented Reality Distortion Field, this 30" OLED display only requires the same space as the current generation iPhone's screen!
But thanks to the Naysayers Open Source version of teh Reality Distortion field, Apple's 30" OLED display is 100% useless to 100% of the world because it doesn't have an analog VGA port.
Of course, if you read the Slashdot comments, you knew that Microsoft had already fixed it, since the comments are always about 10 times more on-the-ball than the actual posts.
Unfortunately you have to dig all the way back to 2005 to understand the +5 flying chair jokes.
If that was what they were doing why do they never say that? It's always about preventing the "murder" of an undifferentiated ball of cells.
Because words like 'murder' punctuate the point and make it easier to get their message out. It's sort of like how Palin tried to attach the word 'terrorist' to Obama, and sadly, with some success.
They don't like abortion to begin with. If abortions start saving lives, they fear that it becomes a 'pro', thus making it harder to outlaw.
I'll admit, though, that I am guilty of generalizing.
The way I phrased it is the ultimate consequences of their actions. Ban their use for research and they get thrown out.
It attributed the wrong intention to their actions in order to make them look silly.
Yep, it's amusing that they'd rather have the embryos thrown away in the garbage or incinerated rather than be used to actually further medical science.
They're trying to prevent dead fetuses from developing monetary value. Though I agree that they're not listening to reason, I wouldn't quite phrase it the way you did.
The first hit's always free...
When this metaphor is used to describe a product people actually want, you cheapen the phrase.
Mods: Quit modding up cliches.
Because obviously if Opera hadn't thought of some of the ideas implemented, then it would have been nigh impossible for somebody else to, right?
That's an excellent reply... ... to a hypothetical post witten in an alternate reality that had been phrased using the word 'never'.
About Opera. Seriously.
Really? That build of FireFox you're using today would be barely recognizable if Opera had never come into being.
There's more important things to worry about.
Move on.
... said the guy posting on Slashdot.
Really, Slashdot looks like shit in most browsers with blatantly obvious bugs everywhere, like the infamous white on white comment titles.
Some time recently they broke it so that I cannot see the score of the post without highlighting it. *Sigh*
No kidding. "Full-Body Controller-less Gaming" has already been invented. It's called "sport".
Yeah, but the FPS games are declining in popularity.
kdawson, what does expectationi mean?
I wish I was so smart that one little typo was enough to prevent me from understanding what a word is.